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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: cut67 on July 06, 2011, 12:39:41 PM
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To be honest, I say it was the best bomber of the war over germany... It was heavily armored and had a crap load of 50 cals. The game portraits it well also, it can take a beating. A wiseman once said B-17's Will get you home :salute to all the buff tards! Proud to be one
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Strong cases can be made for the Lancaster, B-26 and Mosquito as well. The B-17 does not own the "best bomber" slot by any means.
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you are a true bomb tard, doing nothing but bombing the field in the DA :rofl
but for me, the list for heavy bombers goes
bombload:B29>Lanc>B24>B17.
armament:B29>B24>B17>Lanc.
Armor:B17>B29>Lanc>B24
survivability:B29>B17>B24>lanc.
(i based survivability off of all the atributes put together)
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you are a true bomb tard, doing nothing but bombing the field in the DA :rofl
but for me, the list for heavy bombers goes
bombload:B29>Lanc>B24>B17.
armament:B29>B24>B17>Lanc.
Armor:B17>B29>Lanc>B24
survivability:B29>B17>B24>lanc.
(i based survivability off of all the atributes put together)
The B-17 has the two extra .50 cals in the nose. So it should be reversed between the B-17 and the B-24.
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The B-17 has the two extra .50 cals in the nose. So it should be reversed between the B-17 and the B-24.
True but the b24 carries more ammo in the tail and nose than the 17. and Most fighters in AH shy away from attacking the front of a bomber. so the extra ammo in the b24's tail sways it ahead of the b17.
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you are a true bomb tard, doing nothing but bombing the field in the DA :rofl
but for me, the list for heavy bombers goes
bombload:B29>Lanc>B24>B17.
armament:B29>B24>B17>Lanc.
Armor:B17>B29>Lanc>B24
survivability:B29>B17>B24>lanc.
(i based survivability off of all the atributes put together)
I find the Lancaster harder to kill than the B-24 due to the B-24's tendency to become a fireball after light hits to the wing root.
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you are a true bomb tard, doing nothing but bombing the field in the DA :rofl
but for me, the list for heavy bombers goes
bombload:B29>Lanc>B24>B17.
armament:B29>B24>B17>Lanc.
Armor:B17>B29>Lanc>B24
survivability:B29>B17>B24>lanc.
(i based survivability off of all the atributes put together)
I havent done that in a month and thats not all i do sir, to tell you the truth you are a no life who biases everything off of some one who does something once or twice I bomb in the MA and im good at it sorry if my squadies just wanted to have some fun <S> Sir
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I havent done that in a month and thats not all i do sir, to tell you the truth you are a no life who biases everything off of some one who does something once or twice I bomb in the MA and im good at it sorry if my squadies just wanted to have some fun <S> Sir
Ive witnessed your squad do it multiple times, theyve even stated they do it once or twice a week. so no, im not bias, im making my accusations from observation.
and how can you call someone a "no life" for being on the same game you currently are on? :headscratch: never really understood this philosophy.
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I havent done that in a month and thats not all i do sir, to tell you the truth you are a no life who biases everything off of some one who does something once or twice I bomb in the MA and im good at it sorry if my squadies just wanted to have some fun <S> Sir
Oh dear...
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Ive witnessed your squad do it multiple times, theyve even stated they do it once or twice a week. so no, im not bias, im making my accusations from observation.
and how can you call someone a "no life" for being on the same game you currently are on? :headscratch: never really understood this philosophy.
So what just because my squad does it sometimes and for the past 4 weeks i have seen them not do it at all.Ive even seen them turn down a fun bomb raid, so you are biased and your a no life because you sit there making false accusations torwards people and jump them for having fun, all my squadies pay their 15 dollars just like you and I think they deserve to have fun with the game instead of playing it like you wish everyone would.
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So what just because my squad does it sometimes and for the past 4 weeks i have seen them not do it at all.Ive even seen them turn down a fun bomb raid, so you are biased and your a no life because you sit there making false accusations torwards people and jump them for having fun, all my squadies pay their 15 dollars just like you and I think they deserve to have fun with the game instead of playing it like you wish everyone would.
your wrong on so many accounts here.
1. Ive intercepted 2 of those little DA raids, which in 1 i shot down 2 bombers(you being one of them) and the other you were in it. was it not YOU who came on the forum posting a youtube vid about you bragging of your DA bombrun at 20k?
2. as stated above, im not making false accusations, ive seen you in the little DA raids twice, and you YOURSELF already posted evidence that you participate in them. so if im a no-life for making false accusations, does it make you a no-life for lying?
3. you pay your $15 yes, but certain arenas are set up for certain things and they are not without rules. one rule is that you DO not bomb the DA lake fields. i believe Hitech himself has stated this.
so no, you cant play however you wish. you can play however Hitech says you can play. seeing how its his game.
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I find the Lancaster harder to kill than the B-24 due to the B-24's tendency to become a fireball after light hits to the wing root.
I order of ease of kill I say Lanc>24>26 and the 17 being the hardest.. Karnak, you just have to know where to hit a lanc and they fold like a paper airplane under a truck tire and their defensive armorment isn't as good as some of the others.. Last month I was 8 and 0 against lancs... they's easy meat.... :x
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QFT :aok
I am the easiest fish in this pond!!!
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I order of ease of kill I say Lanc>24>26 and the 17 being the hardest.. Karnak, you just have to know where to hit a lanc and they fold like a paper airplane under a truck tire and their defensive armorment isn't as good as some of the others.. Last month I was 8 and 0 against lancs... they's easy meat.... :x
Thats survivability.
The lanc is tech better armored than the 24, but its defencive armament is horrible compared to the 24. and theres a huge gap difference between the 2's gun package. The lanc does have a higher ceiling altitude, but not enough to make it more liable to survive than the 24. so for ease of kill, yes the Lanc is easier than the 24. the only way i can think of to justify flying the lanc, is for its perk-free big bombload. or if your british, wanting to fly your country's own bomber.
but the 24 def excels above the 26 in survivability. a bigger armament, slightly better armor, higher ceiling, more ammo. plus the 2 extra engines to rely on.
29's would be harder to kill then 17's simply because of the amount of ammo they carry, and the massive gun package it poccess. along with its ceiling altitude and its top speed.
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QFT :aok
my little picture didnt upset you now, did it logan? ;)
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I doubt that the bombers "armor" are somewhat close to what the real ones had. I mean what makes the B26 nearly unbreakable compared to a 110 for exemple? What makes the A20 so resistant compared to single engine planes? And there is a huge gap between the one that have the old 3D models and the ones with the newer modeling...for exemple the B26 can't loose its tail gunner in aces high :noid
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Actually no.... My "funny" image was right along the same lines as that conversation you and the other guy are having... Neither have anything to do with the B17.
my little picture didnt upset you now, did it logan? ;)
I am just a fisherman, and you, as always, hook really fast, really easy. For that, I thank you little guy! :salute
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Actually no.... My "funny" image was right along the same lines as that conversation you and the other guy are having... Neither have anything to do with the B17.
I am just a fisherman, and you, as always, hook really fast, really easy. For that, I thank you little guy! :salute
you say you hooked me because i responded to you. yet your responding to ME aswell.
so, who's hooked who? :neener:
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you say you hooked me because i responded to you. yet your responding to ME aswell.
so, who's hooked who? :neener:
I'm getting dizzy...
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So going on 2 bombing runs in the DA makes me a person who does nothing but Bomb in the DA? And I have not seen any rules like that. And no Im not wrong you say all we do is bomb, tell me when was the last time you saw us bombing? A month or two ago? Tyrannis you are a complete idiot. Do you ever wander how many people do not like you? And you never shot me down I turned hard and lost a drone thank you very much. No please stay out of my post from here on out I do no value your opinion on anything. <S>
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I order of ease of kill I say Lanc>24>26 and the 17 being the hardest.. Karnak, you just have to know where to hit a lanc and they fold like a paper airplane under a truck tire and their defensive armorment isn't as good as some of the others.. Last month I was 8 and 0 against lancs... they's easy meat.... :x
All bombers in AH are sitting ducks, unless they are too fast to intercept.
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All bombers in AH are sitting ducks, unless they are too fast to intercept.
Of course...just some are armed with shoguns.
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All bombers in AH are sitting ducks, unless they are too fast to intercept.
LOL...
I'll give you the secret decode number that disputes that. 999000...
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LOL...
I'll give you the secret decode number that disputes that. 999000...
I've met him. I shot him down when I did. It was no harder than any other bomber.
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So going on 2 bombing runs in the DA makes me a person who does nothing but Bomb in the DA? And I have not seen any rules like that. And no Im not wrong you say all we do is bomb, tell me when was the last time you saw us bombing? A month or two ago? Tyrannis you are a complete idiot. Do you ever wander how many people do not like you? And you never shot me down I turned hard and lost a drone thank you very much. No please stay out of my post from here on out I do no value your opinion on anything. <S>
just about a week&a half ago. you all did your "lets climb to 20k, bomb the DA fields, and make another movie out of it!"
i remember it clearly because everyone blew up on vox commenting about how stupid you all looked, climbing THAT high just to bomb bases that you cant take.
you were out of icon range, while sitting on the runway. THATS how high you dweebs were. and whats funnier is your group never even came down from the safety of 20k until you were alll that way back over in the bombing section of the DA.
im not saying you JUST bomb in the DA. but you are a DA bomber. and it gets annoying when we're trying to take off to go to the lake, and we have to wait until the little-ones get done carpet-bombing the runway to spawn.
your not very liked in the DA yourself kiddo ;) and yes, i shot down 1 of your bombers, and show the other ones tail up until my engine finally gave out.
and dont forget to count those 3 1v1's we had. fun times.
now shush child. you have no argument. :ahand
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Back on topic: if attacked correctly, all bombers can become easy targets. especially if your able to dive at an angle, out of the sun.
but its usually the people who think buffs are easy kills, that become easy kills themselves ;)
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Back on topic: if attacked correctly, all bombers can become easy targets. especially if your able to dive at an angle, out of the sun.
but its usually the people who think buffs are easy kills, that become easy kills themselves ;)
This. I've been shot down by a spit 8 in one or two passes, and then I shoot down 262s without any major damage to my drones. Difference was: the spit knew what he was doing.
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Back on topic: if attacked correctly, all bombers can become easy targets. especially if your able to dive at an angle, out of the sun.
but its usually the people who think buffs are easy kills, that become easy kills themselves ;)
Why would one attack an armed bomber in a way that makes the attacker a target, e.g. crawl up his six? Of course the attacker is going to be diving from far above and a bit to the side. At the very least if pressed for time the attacker should be slashing from the side.
Sure idiots do, but in my experience the people who do that are not the people who claim bombers are easy kills, they are the people who whine about buff guns being over modeled.
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just about a week&a half ago. you all did your "lets climb to 20k, bomb the DA fields, and make another movie out of it!"
i remember it clearly because everyone blew up on vox commenting about how stupid you all looked, climbing THAT high just to bomb bases that you cant take.
you were out of icon range, while sitting on the runway. THATS how high you dweebs were. and whats funnier is your group never even came down from the safety of 20k until you were alll that way back over in the bombing section of the DA.
im not saying you JUST bomb in the DA. but you are a DA bomber. and it gets annoying when we're trying to take off to go to the lake, and we have to wait until the little-ones get done carpet-bombing the runway to spawn.
your not very liked in the DA yourself kiddo ;) and yes, i shot down 1 of your bombers, and show the other ones tail up until my engine finally gave out.
and dont forget to count those 3 1v1's we had. fun times.
now shush child. you have no argument. :ahand
Really? Thats a lie i was with them a week and a half ago we never did any bombing runs within the past month and im not a DA bomber, i bomb the MA and I really dont care about those 3 1v1's lmao. You are pathetic and I told you stay out of my post. You never shot down my bomber idiot. More people like me then they do you. I really dont know what you got against me You can ask anyone I dont bomb in the DA and neither does my squad it was a 2 time thing. So how bout you scram "Child"
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Really? Thats a lie i was with them a week and a half ago we never did any bombing runs within the past month and im not a DA bomber, i bomb the MA and I really dont care about those 3 1v1's lmao. You are pathetic and I told you stay out of my post. You never shot down my bomber idiot. More people like me then they do you. I really dont know what you got against me You can ask anyone I dont bomb in the DA and neither does my squad it was a 2 time thing. So how bout you scram "Child"
Oh my... SCREAMS immaturity.
And I thought we were getting back on topic.... :(
Karnak... in my experience, albeit limited compared to yours, it all depends on which buff is being attacked. For instance, so many new pilots I see find a set of ju-88s, scream "its a ju-88! Easy kills!" And then find out that they are much tougher than anticipated, and are oiled/pw'ed by the peppering of its peashooters. Then, you get the guys in hellcats or jugs saddling up behind a set of 24s, only to find their "incredibly tough" airframe shredded. These are the guys who complain about over-modeled buff guns.
Either way, both are idiots, and both blame someone else for their death :aok
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Why would one attack an armed bomber in a way that makes the attacker a target, e.g. crawl up his six? Of course the attacker is going to be diving from far above and a bit to the side. At the very least if pressed for time the attacker should be slashing from the side.
Sure idiots do, but in my experience the people who do that are not the people who claim bombers are easy kills, they are the people who whine about buff guns being over modeled.
sorry, when i said its usually the people who think buffs are easy kills, that become easy kills themselves i ment the people who think they buffs are so easy to shoot down, that they just pull right up on there 6 guns blazing. (especially cannon-packing birds). they think they are going to be getting 3 easy kills, until the buff pilot merely trains his sights on the straight-flying fool and downs him with a pull of the trigger. thats what i ment by what i said
wasent a shot at you :salute
Really? Thats a lie i was with them a week and a half ago we never did any bombing runs within the past month and im not a DA bomber, i bomb the MA and I really dont care about those 3 1v1's lmao. You are pathetic and I told you stay out of my post. You never shot down my bomber idiot. More people like me then they do you. I really dont know what you got against me You can ask anyone I dont bomb in the DA and neither does my squad it was a 2 time thing. So how bout you scram "Child"
It doesnt help your case any that i was in the Da about an hr ago and your FF buddies were conducting there 20k bombruns in high-flying b29s. did about 2-3 runs on the rook field. ended up shooting shimarou down.
Your squad just proved everything you just claimed wrong.
word of advice cut, a wise man once said "you are who you surround yourself with" meaning if your a part of a DA-bombing squad. wether you DO do it, or not, your gonna be seen as a DA bombdweeb.
your squads bomb-runs are getting very annoying. especially when we have to wait in the tower while your shrubs carpet-bomb the runway. im on the verge of just filiming it next time it happens, and sending it into hitech to show him how your squad is not only disrupting the purpose of the lake, but also causing damage to the field itself. Maybe you should have a word with your squad about there actions if you dont want to be seen as a dweeb. :)
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sorry, when i said its usually the people who think buffs are easy kills, that become easy kills themselves i ment the people who think they buffs are so easy to shoot down, that they just pull right up on there 6 guns blazing. (especially cannon-packing birds). they think they are going to be getting 3 easy kills, until the buff pilot merely trains his sights on the straight-flying fool and downs him with a pull of the trigger. thats what i ment by what i said
wasent a shot at you :salute
It doesnt help your case any that i was in the Da about an hr ago and your FF buddies were conducting there 20k bombruns in high-flying b29s. did about 2-3 runs on the rook field. ended up shooting shimarou down.
Your squad just proved everything you just claimed wrong.
word of advice cut, a wise man once said "you are who you surround yourself with" meaning if your a part of a DA-bombing squad. wether you DO do it, or not, your gonna be seen as a DA bombdweeb.
your squads bomb-runs are getting very annoying. especially when we have to wait in the tower while your shrubs carpet-bomb the runway. im on the verge of just filiming it next time it happens, and sending it into hitech to show him how your squad is not only disrupting the purpose of the lake, but also causing damage to the field itself. Maybe you should have a word with your squad about there actions if you dont want to be seen as a dweeb. :)
Haha I flew with those guys doing some strat runs about an hour before they went DA. Definately bomber noobs
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Sure idiots do, but in my experience the people who do that are not the people who claim bombers are easy kills, they are the people who whine about buff guns being over modeled.
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sorry, when i said its usually the people who think buffs are easy kills, that become easy kills themselves i ment the people who think they buffs are so easy to shoot down, that they just pull right up on there 6 guns blazing. (especially cannon-packing birds). they think they are going to be getting 3 easy kills, until the buff pilot merely trains his sights on the straight-flying fool and downs him with a pull of the trigger. thats what i ment by what i said
wasent a shot at you :salute
It doesnt help your case any that i was in the Da about an hr ago and your FF buddies were conducting there 20k bombruns in high-flying b29s. did about 2-3 runs on the rook field. ended up shooting shimarou down.
Your squad just proved everything you just claimed wrong.
word of advice cut, a wise man once said "you are who you surround yourself with" meaning if your a part of a DA-bombing squad. wether you DO do it, or not, your gonna be seen as a DA bombdweeb.
your squads bomb-runs are getting very annoying. especially when we have to wait in the tower while your shrubs carpet-bomb the runway. im on the verge of just filiming it next time it happens, and sending it into hitech to show him how your squad is not only disrupting the purpose of the lake, but also causing damage to the field itself. Maybe you should have a word with your squad about there actions if you dont want to be seen as a dweeb. :)
Well I dont know what to tell you they are obviously doing it while im offline, I have not touched a bomber in the DA for the past month and a half. And to raptor im not a bomber noob Im very good at it and thats all I really do online, too bad you werent there to see our perfect formation it twas a beauty till i disco'd
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sorry, when i said its usually the people who think buffs are easy kills, that become easy kills themselves i ment the people who think they buffs are so easy to shoot down, that they just pull right up on there 6 guns blazing. (especially cannon-packing birds). they think they are going to be getting 3 easy kills, until the buff pilot merely trains his sights on the straight-flying fool and downs him with a pull of the trigger. thats what i ment by what i said
wasent a shot at you :salute
It doesnt help your case any that i was in the Da about an hr ago and your FF buddies were conducting there 20k bombruns in high-flying b29s. did about 2-3 runs on the rook field. ended up shooting shimarou down.
Your squad just proved everything you just claimed wrong.
word of advice cut, a wise man once said "you are who you surround yourself with" meaning if your a part of a DA-bombing squad. wether you DO do it, or not, your gonna be seen as a DA bombdweeb.
your squads bomb-runs are getting very annoying. especially when we have to wait in the tower while your shrubs carpet-bomb the runway. im on the verge of just filiming it next time it happens, and sending it into hitech to show him how your squad is not only disrupting the purpose of the lake, but also causing damage to the field itself. Maybe you should have a word with your squad about there actions if you dont want to be seen as a dweeb. :)
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When dealing with buffs, your attacks should be from the 1-2 o'clock position, or the 10-11 o'clock position. You will want at least 1-5k alt above them, that way you can zoom in rake em then set back up for another pass. This is a very effective tactic in the 109k4 or the ta152. Using this, you can rake the side of the buff with a quick trigger pull, set one or 2 on fire then rinse and repeat.
Also, coming in from those positions from the buffs point of view, it is not very easy for the buff to defend itself effectively.
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Well I dont know what to tell you they are obviously doing it while im offline, I have not touched a bomber in the DA for the past month and a half. And to raptor im not a bomber noob Im very good at it and thats all I really do online, too bad you werent there to see our perfect formation it twas a beauty till i disco'd
formation doesnt get you points
sorry mate, your squaddies are bombers noobs. flying through dar, using pilot seat to turn, not opening doors until over target, slowing down while climbing, etc etc. I could go on and on.
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I love when our BBS mental midgets get into purse fights. It is almost as satisfying as my jello pudding pops. It'll make you smile! :rofl
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and to what purpose is this picture?
i play the same game you do spike, to claim i have no life, would be claiming YOU don't ether.
and to say i have no life for calling someone out on certain actions would also merely make you a hypocrite, as i have witnessed you and the Muppets doing the same.
so that picture would ether be directed towards both of us, or merely label you as a hypocrite. or maybe both, who knows.
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Lmfao llogann :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
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He's good in this fake life of ours. That might be the only important difference. :eek:
and to what purpose is this picture?
i play the same game you do spike, to claim i have no life, would be claiming YOU don't ether.
so that picture would ether be directed towards both of us, or merely label you as a hypocrite. or maybe both, who knows.
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sorry, when i said its usually the people who think buffs are easy kills, that become easy kills themselves i ment the people who think they buffs are so easy to shoot down, that they just pull right up on there 6 guns blazing. (especially cannon-packing birds). they think they are going to be getting 3 easy kills, until the buff pilot merely trains his sights on the straight-flying fool and downs him with a pull of the trigger. thats what i ment by what i said
Ghu, yes... The ones who sail up on my low six and creep in, so that all I do is line up the tail guns and give them a burst while tracking the guns up and down slowly, watching the *sparkle* *sparkle* *billow* as they start trailing black smoke and stop closing, losing alt. I have a lot more trouble with the ones who come in at off angles, or who work into a position where they're masked by one of my drones. Although I'm able to surprise people with the 'waist' guns on the 26 if they try rear side attacks, particularly if I use the rudders to swing back and forth to widen my firing arcs.
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formation doesnt get you points
sorry mate, your squaddies are bombers noobs. flying through dar, using pilot seat to turn, not opening doors until over target, slowing down while climbing, etc etc. I could go on and on.
The only real noob in there was Ltryan shimano, me and anthny are experienced and we open bomb doors when in radar range lol flying through dar is fine when your at a certain alt but i got disco'd and things went chaotic i guess
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The only real noob in there was Ltryan shimano, me and anthny are experienced and we open bomb doors when in radar range lol flying through dar is fine when your at a certain alt but i got disco'd and things went chaotic i guess
if anthony was experienced, i must be the most skilled bomber pilot in the game. he had no idea what the HQ did or how much it took to down it. all he knew is he wanted to bomb it. if he knew so much, he wouldnt be making strat runs trying to carpet bomb HQ with 500lbers (chuckle). good luck with the squad.
we're slowly teaching ltryan. the kid is like 12 or something. i remember one Chewie mission he was flying a goon and chew said "EVERYONE, EVERYONE deack town" sure enough here comes ryan over the radio: "how do i deack the town in a goon???"
good times, good times
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if anthony was experienced, i must be the most skilled bomber pilot in the game. he had no idea what the HQ did or how much it took to down it. all he knew is he wanted to bomb it. if he knew so much, he wouldnt be making strat runs trying to carpet bomb HQ with 500lbers (chuckle). good luck with the squad.
we're slowly teaching ltryan. the kid is like 12 or something. i remember one Chewie mission he was flying a goon and chew said "EVERYONE, EVERYONE deack town" sure enough here comes ryan over the radio: "how do i deack the town in a goon???"
good times, good times
He may not know how much it takes to drop an HQ but that doesnt make you a noob he brings home 15 to 20k plus damage on most of his runs and in that said I do not beleive he is not a noob he can hit his target and that is for damn sure
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He may not know how much it takes to drop an HQ but that doesnt make you a noob he brings home 15 to 20k plus damage on most of his runs and in that said I do not beleive he is not a noob he can hit his target and that is for damn sure
well from the three runs we did, he didnt hit a damned thing
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He may not know how much it takes to drop an HQ but that doesnt make you a noob he brings home 15 to 20k plus damage on most of his runs and in that said I do not beleive he is not a noob he can hit his target and that is for damn sure
so thats about 3-4 towns.
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Wheeeeeee!
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bombload:B29>Lanc>B24>B17. B-29>Lanc>B-24>Ju-88
armament:B29>B24>B17>Lanc. B-29>B-24>B-17>B-26
Armor:B17>B29>Lanc>B24 B-17>B-26>B-29>Lanc
survivability:B29>B17>B24>lanc. B-29>B-17>B-26>B-24
There, I fix it :D.
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There, I fix it :D.
a b26's wings will break under fire alot faster than a b29/lancs will.
Plus the b24 packs alot more guns and gun positions than the b26. making it more likely to survive.
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a b26's wings will break under fire alot faster than a b29/lancs will.
Plus the b24 packs alot more guns and gun positions than the b26. making it more likely to survive.
Actually, the 26 can take a pretty hefty beating before any significant parts fall off. And seeing as it has 6 fixed .50 cals in the nose, 2 in the top turret and 2 in the tail, it has more guns than the Lancaster. Add those two factors plus the great speed of the 26, I would say b29>b17>b26>b24 in terms of survivability.
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When dealing with buffs, your attacks should be from the 1-2 o'clock position, or the 10-11 o'clock position. You will want at least 1-5k alt above them, that way you can zoom in rake em then set back up for another pass. This is a very effective tactic in the 109k4 or the ta152. Using this, you can rake the side of the buff with a quick trigger pull, set one or 2 on fire then rinse and repeat.
Also, coming in from those positions from the buffs point of view, it is not very easy for the buff to defend itself effectively.
This is true in theory but nearly impossible when you find a b17 at 35,800 feet going 310mph TAS.
Using this tactic also shows just how hard a true HO is to perform when the one of those involved is not interested in a gunnery run.
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a b26's wings will break under fire alot faster than a b29/lancs will.
Plus the b24 packs alot more guns and gun positions than the b26. making it more likely to survive.
It most certinaly will not break sooner than a lanc's wing. 3 30mm's have been enough to take a lanc's wing tip off, granted I was chewing him up with 20mm's from D800 to D400 when I cut loose with the 30's, while I have never taken of any major part off a B-26 with less than 5.
And the B-24 has what is likely the most vulnerable wings of all US bombers. Firepower doen't nessicarily equate to survivability.
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It most certinaly will not break sooner than a lanc's wing. 3 30mm's have been enough to take a lanc's wing tip off, granted I was chewing him up with 20mm's from D800 to D400 when I cut loose with the 30's, while I have never taken of any major part off a B-26 with less than 5.
And the B-24 has what is likely the most vulnerable wings of all US bombers. Firepower doen't nessicarily equate to survivability.
When it comes to survivability, Firepower matters more than armor.
Sure, having super reinforced armor is great, but if you run into say, a 262, those 30mms will be able to shoot through any armor pretty fast unchallenged.
But if your packing massive firepower, you atleast have the ability to get rid of the problem, and save yourself.
A b26 has no ball turret, so if someone was to attack from below (similer to how people like to attack 25s) then the most guns you can have on target in a single b26 is 3-4 (the 2 in the tail gun, along with the waist gunners, depending on how the attacking plane is angled)
In a b24, pretty much all sides are covered (front,top,sides,bottom,back) Which makes it more likely able to fight off an attacker, then a b26.
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Ty, believe me from experience, ball turrets don't do much when you've got an enemy surging upwards to shoot you. Sure, a guy can get underneath a 26, but it takes time because of its speed. Then, when you finally get the shot, you lose all your E and have to reset. Most people just break off at that point.
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I don't care if you have a damn 5" AA gun mounted in the tail position, it won't save you if your plane will blow up from a single 7.7mm. B-24 has more firepower, but less armor. I personally think B-24's are the second safest heavy bomber to attack (second to the lancaster, which has very weak firepower, but slightly more durable wings)
And concider this: fully half of your firepower in the B-24 is unusable. effectively, you only have about 5 guns covering any one direction in the B-24.
Low 6: ball gun, tail gun, and MAYBE one of the waist guns
High 12: top gun, nose gun, and again, MAYBE one of the waist guns.
low 3/9: ball gun, waist gun
High 3/9: top gun, waist gun
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Ty, believe me from experience, ball turrets don't do much when you've got an enemy surging upwards to shoot you. Sure, a guy can get underneath a 26, but it takes time because of its speed. Then, when you finally get the shot, you lose all your E and have to reset. Most people just break off at that point.
But the fact is still there that the b24 has a Ball turret to defend itself from attacks from below, and the b26 doesn't. not counting the accuracy of the gunner, that fact would put it ahead of the b26 simply because the b26 has a glaring weakness, the b24 does not.
And true about the b26, but assuming the attacking plane is a good shot, and packing decent firepower, that unchallenged underneath attack could be all he needs to take out a b26, from personal accounts i find the b26 to be rather fragile, its the reason i fly the b25 over it. i guess maybe statistically the b26 is more armored, but from personal experience i find it to be rather weak.
Also the b24 can carry more ammo in all vital gun positions than the b26 can i believe, which ranks it higher in survivability also.
I don't care if you have a damn 5" AA gun mounted in the tail position, it won't save you if your plane will blow up from a single 7.7mm. B-24 has more firepower, but less armor. I personally think B-24's are the second safest heavy bomber to attack (second to the lancaster, which has very weak firepower, but slightly more durable wings)
And concider this: fully half of your firepower in the B-24 is unusable. effectively, you only have about 5 guns covering any one direction in the B-24.
Low 6: ball gun, tail gun, and MAYBE one of the waist guns
High 12: top gun, nose gun, and again, MAYBE one of the waist guns.
low 3/9: ball gun, waist gun
High 3/9: top gun, waist gun
And it doesnt matter how much armor you have on a bomber if you have no guns that can reach a planes favorite position of attack, sooner or later that armors gonna get chewed up.
and 5 guns on a target is still more guns than a b26 can put on target. Plus the b24's ball turret is 360 degrees, meaning no matter what amount the plane is under you, you can still hit him. The b26 can not.
Think about this, what if you have someone right below your b26, planning on ramming you down? yea ik, it sounds stupid. "why ram a bomber?" but people do it, i personally had my b29's wing rammed in half by a ta152 before.
But anyways, imagine that guy hovering right under your b26, planning on pulling up to ram you. because you lack a ball turret you have no way to defend yourself against that rammer. other than possibly ACM's, But while your in the cocpit trying to pull them off, that plane can pull up on your six and unload into you while your still in the cockpit thinking he's gonna ram ya.
In a b24, you have the ball turret which atleast gives you a fighting chance against that rammer.
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I think the lack of a belly turret is less of an issue than you seem to think. Assuming he does something simmilar to a low yo you, where he trades alt for speed, he will be at his fastest when below you, and therfore you will have the briefest amount of time to damage him. Not to mention that when he passes above you, he can be left hanging there at 0 relative airspeed sometimes as close as D600 while you cut loose with the top turret.
And as to the 30mm issue you brought up, if it can easily kill a B-26 before the B-26 can deal it significant damage with the guns, then the B-24 will be down even faster, and with only 1-2 more .50's firing. Yeah, those .50's can make a difference given a little bit of time, but this is assuming that he is in gun range for a rather brief amount of time (30mm's have a short effective range, about D600 at most against something like a bomber for an average gunner). So if you can't hurt him bad enough to deter him with 4 guns, you probably won't kill him with 5.
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And concider this: fully half of your firepower in the B-24 is unusable. effectively, you only have about 5 guns covering any one direction in the B-24.
5 guns, or 5 turrets?
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5 guns. 2 .50's in the tail/nose which can cover most of the front or back of the plane, 2 in the ball or top, and maybe 1 from the side guns if he's not coming on you dead 6.
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But depending on the angle/distance from the attacker thought, you could potentially have both the ball and the dorsal turret, plus whatever other ones could be firing, firing at the same time. I think...? I can't check--- in Quebec, away from my AH computer.
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potentially, you could, but a lot of that area of fire is restricted by your drones (bullets that pass through drones have no effect. And it would be at long range, when you're drone's convergence is off (gunfire from the drones converges] at D600 or so), so really you'd do better to wait till he's closer.
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Everytime I'm with a group of B17s this song comes to mind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwaygKjs2fI
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This is what plays in my head on a bomb run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90JCY0Eh1s4&feature=related
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The B-26s lack of a ball turret is only a weakness against a competent attacker. For example, no matter what bomber you fly the snail will chew you apart with you barely landing a round on him. The B-26s tail gun has a very high depression angle. You can almost fire straight down with it. When I get an attacker who approaches dead on low 6 I am confident he will fall for the following trick. I let him get around d1000 and then hit alt-x putting me in a steep autoclimb. Even though the attacker thinks he is underneath my gun coverage I can shred him with the tailgun before he even pulls his nose up for the attack run. I will slow my 26 down for a dead 6 pursuer for just this reason. Its the guy pursuing from high 4-8 oclock that worries me.
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This is what plays in my head on a bomb run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90JCY0Eh1s4&feature=related
Why is that the same for me, too? I feel like I've seen it played on a raid before.... :headscratch: