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Title: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: cut67 on July 11, 2011, 09:44:56 PM

Looks like a nice plane and would be great to have
http://acepilots.com/planes/p61_black_widow.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo-f2x8T7d8

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Wildcat1 on July 11, 2011, 09:54:11 PM

Wished for many times. Nice plane, but with no real need for a night fighter, I don't know which gap it would fill for now

-1  :salute

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: cut67 on July 11, 2011, 10:07:47 PM

Quote from: Wildcat1 on July 11, 2011, 09:54:11 PM

Wished for many times. Nice plane, but with no real need for a night fighter, I don't know which gap it would fill for now

-1  :salute

Doesnt have to be night time fighter, hell its got tail gunners and it seems like a good manuverable plane, 20mm cannons dude thats a class A bomber hunter and possibly put some ords on it and make it a bomber/attack/fighter Lol

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Tupac on July 11, 2011, 10:09:14 PM

+1

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: JOACH1M on July 11, 2011, 10:11:40 PM

That plane would be a riot to fly :rock


It's a p47, mossie, and p38 all in 1 :lol

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Wildcat1 on July 11, 2011, 10:28:34 PM

Quote from: cut67 on July 11, 2011, 10:07:47 PM

Doesnt have to be night time fighter, hell its got tail gunners and it seems like a good manuverable plane, 20mm cannons dude thats a class A bomber hunter and possibly put some ords on it and make it a bomber/attack/fighter Lol

Sounds like a 110.

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Rino on July 11, 2011, 10:59:06 PM

     Some 61s had a dorsal turret, never seen one with a tail gunner.

(http://www.maam.org/p61/images/p61_usafphoto.jpg)

     I sure look forward to the day when Reading MAAM gets theirs into the air...hope I will be around to see it.

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Pigslilspaz on July 11, 2011, 11:03:22 PM

Watching the vid was nice, was not aware it had spoiler ailerons.

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Karnak on July 12, 2011, 12:18:16 AM

American ________________ A-20G B-17G B-24J B-25C B-25H B-26B B-29A C-47A Elco 80' PT-Boat F4F-4 F4U-1 F4U-1A F4U-1C F4U-1D F4U-4 F6F-5 FM-2 Jeep LVT(A)2 LVT(A)4 M3 M8 M16 M4A3(75) M4A3(76)W P-38G P-38J P-38L P-39D P-39Q P-40B P-40E P-47D-11 P-47D-25 P-47D-40 P-47M P-47N P-51B P-51D SBD-5 TBM-3

German ________________ Ar234B Bf109E-4 Bf109F-4 Bf109G-2 Bf109G-6 Bf109G-14 Bf109K-4 Bf110C-4b Bf110G-2 Fw190A-5 Fw190A-8 Fw190D-9 Fw190F-8 Ju87D-3 Ju88A-4 Me163B Me262A Panther V G Panzer IV H Ostwind SdKfz 251 Ta152H-1 Tiger I Wirbelwind

British ________________ Boston Mk III Hurricane Mk I Hurricane Mk IIc Hurricane Mk IId Lancaster Mk III Mosquito Mk VI Mosquito Mk XVI Seafire Mk II Sherman Firefly V Spitfire Mk Ia Spitfire Mk Vb Spitfire Mk VIII Spitfire Mk IX Spitfire Mk XIV Spitfire Mk XVI Tempest Mk V Typhoon Mk Ib

Japanese ________________ A6M2 A6M3 A6M5b B5N2 D3A1 G4M1 Ki-61-I-Tei Ki-67 Ki-84-I-Ko N1K2-J

Russian ________________ I-16 Il-2 La-5FN La-7 T-34/76 T-34/85 Yak-9T Yak-9U

Italian ________________ C.202 C.205

Finnish ________________ B-239

French ________________

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: matt on July 12, 2011, 01:33:43 AM

+1 :aok

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Tyrannis on July 12, 2011, 01:38:26 AM

Quote from: Karnak on July 12, 2011, 12:18:16 AM

American ________________ A-20G B-17G B-24J B-25C B-25H B-26B B-29A C-47A Elco 80' PT-Boat F4F-4 F4U-1 F4U-1A F4U-1C F4U-1D F4U-4 F6F-5 FM-2 Jeep LVT(A)2 LVT(A)4 M3 M8 M16 M4A3(75) M4A3(76)W P-38G P-38J P-38L P-39D P-39Q P-40B P-40E P-47D-11 P-47D-25 P-47D-40 P-47M P-47N P-51B P-51D SBD-5 TBM-3

German ________________ Ar234B Bf109E-4 Bf109F-4 Bf109G-2 Bf109G-6 Bf109G-14 Bf109K-4 Bf110C-4b Bf110G-2 Fw190A-5 Fw190A-8 Fw190D-9 Fw190F-8 Ju87D-3 Ju88A-4 Me163B Me262A Panther V G Panzer IV H Ostwind SdKfz 251 Ta152H-1 Tiger I Wirbelwind

British ________________ Boston Mk III Hurricane Mk I Hurricane Mk IIc Hurricane Mk IId Lancaster Mk III Mosquito Mk VI Mosquito Mk XVI Seafire Mk II Sherman Firefly V Spitfire Mk Ia Spitfire Mk Vb Spitfire Mk VIII Spitfire Mk IX Spitfire Mk XIV Spitfire Mk XVI Tempest Mk V Typhoon Mk Ib

Japanese ________________ A6M2 A6M3 A6M5b B5N2 D3A1 G4M1 Ki-61-I-Tei Ki-67 Ki-84-I-Ko N1K2-J

Russian ________________ I-16 Il-2 La-5FN La-7 T-34/76 T-34/85 Yak-9T Yak-9U

Italian ________________ C.202 C.205

Finnish ________________ B-239

French ________________

dont hate just because America has the coolest planes  :neener:

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Wmaker on July 12, 2011, 01:54:15 AM

Quote from: Tyrannis on July 12, 2011, 01:38:26 AM

dont hate just because America has the coolest planes  :neener:

You didn't quite get Karnak's point?

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Tyrannis on July 12, 2011, 01:55:30 AM

Quote from: Wmaker on July 12, 2011, 01:54:15 AM

You didn't quite get Karnak's point?

Im guessing that his point was that we already have enough American planes for now and need to begin adding other countries planes to the roster instead of adding more American planes?

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Wmaker on July 12, 2011, 01:57:50 AM

Quote from: Tyrannis on July 12, 2011, 01:55:30 AM

Im guessing that his point was that we already have enough American planes for now and need to begin adding other countries planes to the roster instead of adding more American planes?

Great!

Which are the coolest planes for people varies and is subjective. What isn't subjective is the amount of planes there is for any given country in the game.

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Wmaker on July 12, 2011, 02:09:13 AM

Here's one way to look at an introduction of another American fighter...

Quote from: Karnak on July 12, 2011, 12:18:16 AM

American ________________ A-20G B-17G B-24J B-25C B-25H B-26B B-29A C-47A Elco 80' PT-Boat F4F-4 F4U-1 F4U-1A F4U-1C F4U-1D F4U-4 F6F-5 FM-2 Jeep LVT(A)2 LVT(A)4 M3 M8 M16 M4A3(75) M4A3(76)W P-38G P-38J P-38L P-39D P-39Q P-40B P-40E P-47D-11 P-47D-25 P-47D-40 P-47M P-47N P-51B P-51D SBD-5 TBM-3

German ________________ Ar234B Bf109E-4 Bf109F-4 Bf109G-2 Bf109G-6 Bf109G-14 Bf109K-4 Bf110C-4b Bf110G-2 Fw190A-5 Fw190A-8 Fw190D-9 Fw190F-8 Ju87D-3 Ju88A-4 Me163B Me262A Panther V G Panzer IV H Ostwind SdKfz 251 Ta152H-1 Tiger I Wirbelwind Me410 He-111

British ________________ Boston Mk III Hurricane Mk I Hurricane Mk IIc Hurricane Mk IId Lancaster Mk III Mosquito Mk VI Mosquito Mk XVI Seafire Mk II Sherman Firefly V Spitfire Mk Ia Spitfire Mk Vb Spitfire Mk VIII Spitfire Mk IX Spitfire Mk XIV Spitfire Mk XVI Tempest Mk V Typhoon Mk Ib Beaufighter Mk.VIc Beaufighter Mk.X Wellington Mk.III

Japanese ________________ A6M2 A6M3 A6M5b B5N2 D3A1 G4M1 Ki-61-I-Tei Ki-67 Ki-84-I-Ko N1K2-J Ki-43-I Ki-43-II Ki-43-III Ki-44 Ki-61-I D4Y Ki-45 J2M3

Russian ________________ I-16 Il-2 La-5FN La-7 T-34/76 T-34/85 Yak-9T Yak-9U I-153 Yak-9 Yak-7A Yak-1b Yak-3 La-5 LaGG-3 Pe-2 Il-4 Tu-2

Italian ________________ C.202 C.205 C.200 CR.42 SM.79

Finnish ________________ B-239

French ________________ D.520 Hawk75A

...how about adding one after the bolded ones are here. :)

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Slash27 on July 12, 2011, 02:19:22 AM

P-61 :aok :aok :banana:

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Tyrannis on July 12, 2011, 04:03:50 AM

Quote from: Wmaker on July 12, 2011, 01:57:50 AM

Great!

Which are the coolest planes for people varies and is subjective. What isn't subjective is the amount of planes there is for any given country in the game.

it was a joke, wmaker..

reason why i put the  :neener:

if i was meaning it, i would of put  :ahand

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Karnak on July 12, 2011, 04:14:48 AM

Units added since AH2 was released:

American ________________ B-24J B-25C B-25H B-29A F4U-1A Jeep M4A3(75) M4A3(76)W P-38G P-38J P-39D P-39Q P-47M P-47N

German ________________ Bf109G-14 Panther V G SdKfz 251 Wirbelwind

British ________________ Mosquito Mk XVI Sherman Firefly V Spitfire Mk VIII Spitfire Mk XVI

Japanese ________________ A6M3 G4M1 Ki-84-I-Ko

Russian ________________ I-16 T-34/76 T-34/85

Italian ________________

Finnish ________________ B-239

French ________________

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Reaper90 on July 12, 2011, 08:41:00 AM

Quote from: Wmaker on July 12, 2011, 02:09:13 AM

Here's one way to look at an introduction of another American fighter...

...how about adding one after the bolded ones are here. :)

And just where, sir, is the Westland Whirlwind on your list???  :furious :furious :furious

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Noir on July 12, 2011, 09:30:57 AM

-1

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Scotty55OEFVet on July 12, 2011, 10:13:05 AM

Well, was going to say that the P61 did not arrive early enough to be considered an important add to the AH lineup, but after doind some browsing the 1st Squadrons of P61s began operating in mid-1944 in the ETO and PTO. I think it would be a nice addition....eventually, but there are quite a few planes that should be here before the Widow even becomes a though.

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Megalodon on July 12, 2011, 01:25:03 PM

Quote from: Karnak on July 12, 2011, 12:18:16 AM

American ________________ A-20G B-17G B-24J B-25C B-25H B-26B B-29A C-47A Elco 80' PT-Boat F4F-4 F4U-1 F4U-1A F4U-1C F4U-1D F4U-4 F6F-5 FM-2 Jeep LVT(A)2 LVT(A)4 M3 M8 M16 M4A3(75) M4A3(76)W P-38G P-38J P-38L P-39D P-39Q P-40B P-40E P-47D-11 P-47D-25 P-47D-40 P-47M P-47N P-51B P-51D SBD-5 TBM-3

German ________________ Ar234B Bf109E-4 Bf109F-4 Bf109G-2 Bf109G-6 Bf109G-14 Bf109K-4 Bf110C-4b Bf110G-2 Fw190A-5 Fw190A-8 Fw190D-9 Fw190F-8 Ju87D-3 Ju88A-4 Me163B Me262A Panther V G Panzer IV H Ostwind SdKfz 251 Ta152H-1 Tiger I Wirbelwind

British ________________ Boston Mk III Hurricane Mk I Hurricane Mk IIc Hurricane Mk IId Lancaster Mk III Mosquito Mk VI Mosquito Mk XVI Seafire Mk II Sherman Firefly V Spitfire Mk Ia Spitfire Mk Vb Spitfire Mk VIII Spitfire Mk IX Spitfire Mk XIV Spitfire Mk XVI Tempest Mk V Typhoon Mk Ib

Japanese ________________ A6M2 A6M3 A6M5b B5N2 D3A1 G4M1 Ki-61-I-Tei Ki-67 Ki-84-I-Ko N1K2-J

Russian ________________ I-16 Il-2 La-5FN La-7 T-34/76 T-34/85 Yak-9T Yak-9U

Italian ________________ C.202 C.205

Finnish ________________ B-239

French ________________

You forgot Australia and Hungary :)

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Pigslilspaz on July 12, 2011, 03:17:09 PM

Quote from: Wmaker on July 12, 2011, 02:09:13 AM

Here's one way to look at an introduction of another American fighter...

...how about adding one after the bolded ones are here. :)

I find the lack of Short Stirling to be disturbing.

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: DREDIOCK on July 12, 2011, 05:25:06 PM

As much as I'd LOVE to have the Black Widow. I have to agree that there are other planes   from other countries that should be added Not only first. but also before any other American plane is even again considered. Russian and Japanese in particular are under represented, although some of the Russian lineup weakness is negated by the duel country planes like the 39.
Germany is still missing a troop transport and the 410

Same thing goes for the GVs although to a somewhat lessor extent.

As for the french...
They are already well represented with the white flags  ;)

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Scotty55OEFVet on July 12, 2011, 11:01:28 PM

Dred, while I agree with the AC that should be added portion of the post, you really need to pick up a book and read about the Battle for France in WW2. It was not the French Military that blundered, it was thew defeatism that gripped the French High Command. French Troops fought gallantly during that battle and only fell back or redeployed in the face of overwhelming odds, lack of ammunition, etc. On the contrary, many French attacks, including many attacks to the German Flank caused some German Units to fall back, make unnecessary withdrawals, and even at times flee in panic. The French were the main reason that the British were able to salvage most of thier men in the DUnkirk evacuation because they stayed and fought to keep the corridor open. Please, no more jokes about the French being subpar or chickenshite. They fought with an honor that many dont give them. Those in ther higher military circles should have been hung along with Nazi's at the end of the War for their willingness to abandon Paris and thei country when steadfastness and determination were needed. Shame on you and your dumb WHite Flag comment!

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: DREDIOCK on July 13, 2011, 08:07:23 AM

Quote from: Scotty55OEFVet on July 12, 2011, 11:01:28 PM

Dred, while I agree with the AC that should be added portion of the post, you really need to pick up a book and read about the Battle for France in WW2. It was not the French Military that blundered, it was thew defeatism that gripped the French High Command. French Troops fought gallantly during that battle and only fell back or redeployed in the face of overwhelming odds, lack of ammunition, etc. On the contrary, many French attacks, including many attacks to the German Flank caused some German Units to fall back, make unnecessary withdrawals, and even at times flee in panic. The French were the main reason that the British were able to salvage most of thier men in the DUnkirk evacuation because they stayed and fought to keep the corridor open. Please, no more jokes about the French being subpar or chickentoejame. They fought with an honor that many dont give them. Those in ther higher military circles should have been hung along with Nazi's at the end of the War for their willingness to abandon Paris and thei country when steadfastness and determination were needed. Shame on you and your dumb WHite Flag comment!

It was a joke. Im sure some folks here even understood that and got it.

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Slash27 on July 13, 2011, 10:03:06 AM

The "Wishlist" forum should be changed to the " We don't need what you want, but here's why we need what I want" forum.

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: 5PointOh on July 13, 2011, 10:34:29 AM

What Slash said!

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Rino on December 08, 2011, 08:55:31 PM

     Sorry for the quasi bump, but I just found this in my War  over Pacific Skies book and wanted to share it.

Spider and the Fly:

(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae123/f4ephantom/Spiderandfly.jpg?t=1323398116)

     I can just picture the grins on the Widow's crew  :D

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Karnak on December 08, 2011, 10:38:47 PM

Updated list including known upcoming units:

American ________________ A-20G B-17G B-24J B-25C B-25H B-26B B-29A C-47A Elco 80' PT-Boat F4F-4 F4U-1 F4U-1A F4U-1C F4U-1D F4U-4 F6F-5 FM-2 Jeep LVT(A)2 LVT(A)4 M3 M8 M16 M18 M4A3(75) M4A3(76)W P-38G P-38J P-38L P-39D P-39Q P-40C P-40E P-40F P-40N P-47D-11 P-47D-25 P-47D-40 P-47M P-47N P-51B P-51D SBD-5 TBM-3

German ________________ Ar234B Bf109E-4 Bf109F-4 Bf109G-2 Bf109G-6 Bf109G-14 Bf109K-4 Bf110C-4b Bf110G-2 Fi156 Fw190A-5 Fw190A-8 Fw190D-9 Fw190F-8 Ju87D-3 Ju88A-4 Me163B Me262A Me410 Panther V G Panzer IV F Panzer IV H Ostwind SdKfz 251 Ta152H-1 Tiger I Tiger II Wirbelwind

British ________________ Boston Mk III Hurricane Mk I Hurricane Mk IIc Hurricane Mk IId Lancaster Mk III Mosquito Mk VI Mosquito Mk XVI Seafire Mk II Sherman Firefly V Spitfire Mk Ia Spitfire Mk Vb Spitfire Mk VIII Spitfire Mk IX Spitfire Mk XIV Spitfire Mk XVI Tempest Mk V Typhoon Mk Ib

Japanese ________________ A6M2 A6M3 A6M5b B5N2 D3A1 G4M1 Ki-61-I-Tei Ki-67 Ki-84-I-Ko N1K2-J

Russian ________________ I-16 Il-2 La-5FN La-7 T-34/76 T-34/85 Yak-9T Yak-9U

Italian ________________ C.202 C.205

Finnish ________________ B-239

French ________________

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Rino on December 08, 2011, 11:55:37 PM

     Yeah I get it, you're not happy with American iron  :rolleyes:
Unfortunately, I don't care  :P

Title: Re: P-61 BlackWidow
Post by: Karnak on December 08, 2011, 11:56:51 PM

Quote from: Rino on December 08, 2011, 11:55:37 PM

     Yeah I get it, you're not happy with American iron  :rolleyes:
Unfortunately, I don't care  :P

Oh, I love American iron.  I just also love the WWII aircraft of other nations too.   :P