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Squadron Forums => Squadrons => Topic started by: Zeagle on July 18, 2011, 08:21:23 AM
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Just putting out a feeler to see if there are a few dedicated 190 guys that might want to form a loose squadron of equals to wing up and fly in the Ma, FSO's or the occasional event.
I have flown AH on and off since about 2001. Not interested in a structured squad with ranks.
I would like to see 3 or 4 pilots that wing well together without a lot of radio chatter being necessary. Interest in aviation history and the ability to fly formation is a plus. Being able to go down range, put steel on target, and return with your wingman is a plus as well.
Anyway, I know this is a long shot, but if you are a 190 pilot (jet guys accepted on a probationary program :devil ) and like to wing up, see me.
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Good luck :aok
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Sounds like a little squad I put together :D Viel gl?ck
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If you see me online shoot me a PM. I only get to play weekend evenings/late nights though. I'm always a Bish but would switch over for a while depending on the balance. It would be nice to wing up occasionally. I've been playing mostly as a loner the past ten years but had a small, unstructured 7 man squad of equals for about a year.
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will do BaldEagl
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Tentative name selected: Edelweiss
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:salute Zeagle. Fun flying with you today. That first attack was sweet. Wish I would have been filming.
Overall I think we need to work on staying together and coordinating a little better. You flying high cap while I played in the mud worked ok as did the split left/right on the P-38's.
If you didn't notice I don't really care about living and dying much. If we keep this up you'll have your hands full. :D
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Ja, formation pass and shootdown of two P-40's who were themselves in formation...priceless. I saluted those guys...SA is your friend :devil
As far as living and dying goes, I prefer to live or at least TRY to make it back. A typical night's flying for me involves several re-arms until logging off. This, to me at least, makes my flight time more fun. It is a challenge sometimes just to get back in one piece, not to mention landing any kills. And I dont mind starting a sector back or so in order to get up on the perch. (Gives me time to get a handle on the battle ahead, get a beverage, and let the staffel hunds outside too :)
I think we got separated in that furball. That was my fault as I rolled in to help a friendly. My wingman is always designated so I can find him on radar. So we joined back up quickly enough. Overall...good sortie in my book.
This band of experten will be a Luftwaffe only organization when winging together. I know this whittles down my pool of applicants from like 1 or 2 to zero. But there it is. I do not like seeing Jg's landing kills in Allied birds, or vice versa....
All members will have recruitment rights. Any prospective new member will be required to fly with the schwarm before invites offered. All members will have to approve said applicant before he or she is invited. The goal here is not a large organization, but a small group of experten.
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Another tentative name : something with "Eagle" in it ...but with German spelling of course.
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Another tentative name : something with "Eagle" in it ...but with German spelling of course.
Schwarm, Rotte and Kette
A Staffel was divided into three Schw?rme (Plural; Singular German: der Schwarm, literally "the swarm") (or flights) consisting of four to six aircraft.
A fighter Schwarm was divided into two Rotten (Plural; Singular German: die Rotte) which was a pair of aircraft. The Rotte was the basic fighting unit, consisting of a leader and a wingman.
A bomber Schwarm was divided into a Kette (die, Singular, lit. "chain", Plural German: Ketten) of three aircraft flying in a "V" formation.[29][30]
[edit] Air Combat Tactics "Finger-four" formation
Main article: Finger-four
Pattern depicting Finger Four formation technique of the Luftwaffe.
Finger-four formation adopted by the Luftwaffe. Note the color coded flights.
During the Spanish Civil War, Luftwaffe aces Werner M?lders and G?nther L?tzow created a new formation strategy for fighter wings (German: Jagdgeschwadern). It had two aircraft flying in a loose pair called a 'Pack' (German: Rotte). Two pairs constituted a flight (German: Schwarm). The four aircraft were flown in what was called the "Finger-four" formation. These aircraft were spread apart so that each pilot was offered maximum visibility. This arrangement was so successful that Soviet pilots in the Spanish Civil War followed the same technique. However, on returning home, they had to revert to the standard "V" formation. Douglas Bader, the British p
ilot, was the first RAF leader to adopt the "Finger four" formation in 1940. Japan also adopted[citation needed] the "Finger four" in World War II.
In this formation, where each aircraft flew in positions similar to the fingers of an open hand (hence the name), the leader (German: Rottenf?hrer) was at the front, while on his left wingtip was his partner from the Rotte. The other Rotte was on the right wingtip of the leader. The partner in the second Rotte being on the right wingtip of his partner. The Rotte fighting pair also added to its flexibility, as a Schwarm could easily break into two Rotte pairs without losing its fighting ability. The Rottenf?hrer could attack enemy aircraft, leaving his wingman to watch for the enemy. It was much more flexible than the rigid three-aircraft "Vic" formation the RAF used at the start of the war. In the Schwarm the aircraft had plenty of space to maneuver, so they were free to scan the horizon for enemy aircraft rather than focusing on maintaining a close formation. This flexibility became apparent to the RAF during the Battle of Britain.
so -> Adlerrotte
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Adler is Eagle in German.
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thanks purdue3 and dhyran.
Looks like there is an AVA squad named KG-51 Edelwiess, so I don't want to confuse anything with them.
Still kicking around names.
Edelweiss for now
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name amended to "Sonderkommando Edelweiss" (Skdo. Edelweiss in game)
If this conflicts with any other squad, please let me know.
If you like to fly hi-alt buff hunting missions in 190's (air-to-mud occasionally too), hit targets of opportunity on the way back, and re-arm...see me.
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Another fellow luftwannabe squadron...
<S> sir, best wishes
Btw. lovely name choice i almost see the "KG-51 Jägermeisters" :aok
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:headscratch:
I think you're seeing your reflection in that Jagermeister bottle :devil
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Who knows?
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Still looking for a few good Luftwaffe types...
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Looking for a few 190 enthusiasts. This will be a Luftwaffe squad focusing on the 190.
If interested, drop me a note or see me in the air.
squad name is still under consideration but considering the following:
Edelweiss
Focke-Wulf ISS
Seewölfe
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ISS Bremen - 4 planes only (schwarm)
Was the unit which Kurt Tank flew and scored some kills with. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they were flying out of Delmenhorst.
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According to "Focke-Wulf FW-190, Volume one, by Eddie J. Creek and J. Richard Smith,
The first Focke-Wulf Industrie-Schutzstaffeln (Industry protection squadron or ISS) was formed at Bremen on april 4, 1940 flying FW-187 twin engine fighters.
Leutnant and Staffelfuher Kurt Tank
Unteroffizer and deputy Staffelfuher Kurt Melhorn
Flieger Johann Sander
Flieger Wolfgang Stein
Flieger Ewald Rohlfs
Flieger Ludwig Vogel
Flieger August Linde
They were subsequently disbanded August 23, 1940 then re-established at Bremen on October 15, 1942 flying six FW-190A-4's (Black 1 through 6).
In Early 1943 another ISS was established at Sorau (now Zary, Poland). Ago at Oschersleben and Focke-Wulf Langenhagen also had ISS Staffels.
Other than describing some of the air battles and victories, the volume does not go into that much detail on the ISS squadrons. That's about all I know.
One of the ISS pilots, Kurt Melhorn, downed three fortresses on one mission by frontal attack while flying with the ISS Focke-Wulf Langenhagen. He never returned from that mission.
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I don't know for sure, but would guess that they didn't fancy carrying a official record. If the brass would find out their chief engineers and technicians were also risking their lives in defense of their factories, they'd be grounded.
Oh and btw, the FW187 outperformed the contemporary Bf110 by a good margin. There were a Bf110 unit in norway equipped with 3 FW187s in the early days which requested more of the FW187s. The response was to pull them out of service and tell the pilots it was out of the question. One of the reasons the 187 was not chosen was for the lack of a rear gunner which was a RLM requirement. We know how well those rear gunners served the 110 don't we. Focke-Wulf and Kurt Tank had other ideas on how twins should be built.
(http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/LCBW3/fw187-001.jpg)
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As far as I can tell, the ISS guys, who were all engineers, received Luftwaffe ranks. I am not sure whether this was an RLM / Luftwaffe idea or an internal Focke-Wulf thing. More investigation is necessary.
Since my interests in this period is mostly from an engineering standpoint, I have settled on the name Focke-Wulf ISS.
Should the group grow larger than 6, then staffels can be allocated as Bremen, Langenhagen, Sorau, and Oschersleben
FW-ISS Bremen recruiting engineering types interested in an all Luftwaffe squad concentrating on the FW-190. :salute
Leutnant and Staffelfuher Zeagle (Black 1)
Unteroffizer and deputy Staffelfuher open (Black 2)
Flieger open (Black 3)
Flieger open (Black 4)
Flieger open (Black 5)
Flieger open (Black 6)
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As far as I know:
ISS FW Sorau - Sagan (E of Cottbus)
ISS FW Langenhagen - Langenhagen (Hannover)
ISS FW Bremen - Delmenhorst (W of Oldenburg)
There were also:
ISS FI Kassel (Fiesler) - Rothwesten
ISS Me Regensburg - Straubing
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:noid :noid :noid I fly...errrr Crash lots of German planes! :rock
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Crashing is OK.
All that's required is an interest in the190.
If you're interested, see me online and we will fly together.
This will be a Luftwaffe only squad with emphasis on the FW-190.
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A rare wartime photo of four of the six FW-190A-4's assigned to Focke-Wulf ISS Bremen.
(Focke-Wulf FW-190, Volume One 1938-1943, by J. Richard Smith and Eddie J. Creek, 2012, Classic Publications)
(http://www.seaviper.com/Focke-Wulf_ISS/images/Focke-Wulf_ISS_Bremen_800x531.png)
FW-ISS Bremen recruiting engineering types interested in an all Luftwaffe squad concentrating on the FW-190. :salute
Leutnant and Staffelfuher Zeagle (Black 1)
Unteroffizer and deputy Staffelfuher open (Black 2)
Flieger open (Black 3)
Flieger open (Black 4)
Flieger open (Black 5)
Flieger open (Black 6)
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A rare wartime photo of four of the six FW-190A-4's assigned to Focke-Wulf ISS Bremen.
(http://www.seaviper.com/Focke-Wulf_ISS/images/Focke-Wulf_ISS_Bremen_800x531.png)
Focke-Wulf ISS Bremen now recruiting dedicated Luftwaffe types who have an interest in the FW-190.
This is a Luftwaffe only squad concentrating on the FW-190.
Love the photo! :aok. Good luck with the squad :airplane:
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Thanks for the kind words sir.
As of right now, signature images are done for Black 1 through 6.
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What country are you going to fly in? As I suggested, fun to tag team or fly against.
Boo
Loose Deuce
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Knights. I would like to stay Knights if possible.
We have some good JG outfits on Knights. Flying alongside those units would be optimum.
However, I am not entirely opposed to other countries if that allows me to find the right people.
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:noid :noid :noid I fly...errrr Crash lots of German planes! :rock
It's because you're only 12. :noid
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A combat report from the Focke-Wulf ISS Langenhagen, 17 April, 1943:
(Excerpted from Focke-Wulf 190, Volume 1, Classic Publications)
On April 17, 1943, 107 aircraft from the US Eighth Air Force launched an attack on the Focke-Wulf factory at Bremen.
Five FW-190s from ISS FW Langenhagen took off to intercept.
"Our first Rotte took off at 12:43 hours heading for Bremen. At 12:59 hours, several enemy formations, totalling between 120 and 140 aircraft, were seen approaching from west to east towards Bremen near Verden at 6,000 m.We flew a northerly course towards Wessermunde, climbing to 9,000 m. From Wessermunde we flew west towards Leer.At 13:15 hours we made contact with the enemy. "Black 1" attacked a Boeing and left its port engine smoking. The B-17 crash landed. "Black 1" continued to pursue making an attack on two other enemy aircraft. " (Black 1 subsequently was forced to land at Jever due to lack of fuel).
The second aircraft in the flight, "Black 3", made three attacks, seeing pieces fly off the enemy aircraft, but its gunners succeeded in hitting Black 3's fuselage, wings and ailerons. This resulted in his guns jamming. This forced him to land back at Langenhagen."
In this attack, the Focke-Wulf factory was hit by 531 1,000lb bombs destroying half the factory. However, FW-190 production had been stopped there and dispersed six months earlier.
The ISS Langenhagen claimed 10 kills, with at least 5 going to Uffz. Mehlhorn flying "Black 5".
On 8th October, 1943, after downing three Fortresses using head-on attacks, low on fuel and low on ammo, Uffz. Mehlhorn was last heard from requesting vectors to the nearest field. He never returned.
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The Staffel had a good night tonight. At least 7 kills, including two Fortresses, for no losses in the FW-190 A-8.
Good teamwork and a lot of fun. :aok Black 1 had radio problems. Working the issue. Should be fixed by early next week. A new headset is probably required.
Hopefully in the near future we will get a private squad board. Email has been sent requesting one at least. We'll see. The roster isn't exactly all that that large yet.
Still actively recruiting anyone interested in the 190 and willing to fly Luftwaffe. The goal is to have fun, get some kills, and make it home. If you like 190's, long odds, buff hunting, fighter sweeps, air to mud, 262's, going up against the horde and returning with kills, or just winging with good guys who like to fly, see me.
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I'll be in contact Z, glad to see you're still air worthy sir. :salute
I'll be back in the saddle hopefully late Jan, early Feb.
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Also, I'd like to share a film I made a couple years ago while I was actively flying with JG11... Hope you guys enjoy, I think it highlights a bit more of what Zeagle is currently building with this unit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mChvWeNgVZY
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The aircraft limits are only there in case there is another flight by that particular aircraft. If subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are no limits. :cool: true
Thanks for the kind words MJ. :salute
I don't care if the Staffel has the highest score. But I want all the bomber dudes to know our names. :devil
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The ISS Bremen wandered into a giant furball last night that I think was stirred up by elements of JG11.
We managed to land 7 kills for the loss of two Fw-190 A-8's and one Dora damaged (Uffz. Sojourner managed to dead-stick successfully despite a relentless pursuit by a maniacal Spit XVI.) :rock
Focke-Wulf Industrie Schutzstaffel Bremen
Leutnant and Staffelfuher Zeagle (Black 1)
Unteroffizer and deputy Staffelfuher Sojourner (Black 2)
Flieger open (Black 3)
Flieger open (Black 4)
Flieger open (Black 5)
Flieger open (Black 6)
Still actively recruiting anyone interested in the 190 and willing to fly Luftwaffe. The goal is to have fun, get some kills, and make it home. If you like 190's, long odds, buff hunting, fighter sweeps, air to mud, 262's, going up against the horde and returning with kills, or just winging with good guys who like to fly, see me.
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Update: Our squad forum is now active.
Films of some our recent adventures are in the works. Stay tuned.
Vox 190
Focke-Wulf Industrie Schutzstaffel Bremen
Leutnant and Staffelfuher Zeagle (Black 1)
Unteroffizer and deputy Staffelfuher Sojourner (Black 2)
Flieger open (Black 3)
Flieger open (Black 4)
Flieger open (Black 5)
Flieger open (Black 6)
Still actively recruiting anyone interested in the 190 and willing to fly Luftwaffe. The goal is to have fun, get some kills, and make it home. If you like 190's, long odds, buff hunting, fighter sweeps, air to mud, 262's, going up against the horde and returning with kills, or just winging with good guys who like to fly, see me.
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Friendly bump. Still looking for dedicated Luftwaffe pilots, with a focus on the 190.
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Der Adler ist Gelandel! :airplane:
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Few nights ago, Black 1 and Black 2, flying FW-190 A-5's, encountered a superior force consisting of at least three P-51's, a yak, and a Ki-84. Executing a rolling recovery, the flight managed to recover with minor damage taking three scalps. That's what I'm talking about.
Squad film imminent. Still have to sequence about a minute of footage.
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One of the more memorable engagements I have had in my Aces High career :rock
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We now have a squadron recruitment film out.
Calling All Riders (http://youtu.be/W6pjrFqUAik)
This was filmed entirely during squadron operations in the MA. Formation takeoffs and landings are the norm for us. Tight formation passes on buffs is another of our trademarks.
Thanks to Mitsu for the cool sound pack.
Flying by Zeagle and Sojouner
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Can't wait to see part 2 :)
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We are still recruiting dedicated Luftwaffe types who prefer the 190. Currently our ranks are exactly 2.
All that is required is an avid interest in the 190. We will fly other types, but always Luftwaffe. And 90% of the time, we are in 190 A-5's. You don't need to be an ace. Skills can be worked up. Our goal is not to have the highest score. But, we want all the bomber crews to know us by name. And my personal goal is a high k/d ratio (next month :) ). Having fun and enjoying your time spent on AH is the goal. Flying with some good guys who know their mounts is the norm.
If you think a single sortie flown in a realistic manner is more fun than 10 launch-and-die-furball sorties, then we might be for you. Check us out in the air on or on these forums. PM's welcome. Knights, vox 190
We have a TeamSpeak 3 server ready 24/7, web server, and the ability to fly Sun through Wed each week.
We are located in the US Eastern time zone. However, European members can be accommodated as my flying on Mon-Wed can be any time of day.
As fas as I can tell, we are the only 190 squadron in Aces High.
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Just a note to say that we are back and in the air on Mon, Tue, and Wed usually during daylight hours Eastern time US.
We were down for a while due to my second house move in a year. What a crazy year 2012 had been for me.
But, I got a new monitor, new sticks, and a new headset out of the whole moving ordeal. So, ready to quit talking and start flying!
Anyway, if anyone is interested in flying with a dedicated 190 squad (we do fly other LW types occasionally) see us in the MA, Knights, vox 190.
Squad recruitment film is here showing some of what we do. (http://youtu.be/cLtqHf8JDDA)
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I pulled the video from YouTube..YouTube is just ridiculous these days.
Will re-post when I have my own server back up later this week.