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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Tupac on July 20, 2011, 04:06:50 PM
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WOOOOOP WOOOOOP
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I cant wait to flank it. :D
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King Tiger pics on front!
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Beautiful HTC! She looks like a monster! :aok
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What have they done!!! :bolt:
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I can't wait to bomb it :devil
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concrete sitter. :noid :bolt:
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:aok
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:rock
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Great looking model and texture!
I just wish the focus in introducing new units would move towards fighters again.
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(http://www.inch.com/~william/humungus2.jpg)
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In addition, HTC is also remodeling all other tanks. Here is a picture of the new generic model.
(http://www.vijayaschartz.com/exploding%20tank.JPG)
The gun barrel, tracks, and assorted debris will be changed to suit the tank it will be representing.
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King Tiger! :O
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Superfly and Waffle are doing great work!! :rock
Thanks Greebo for spending time away from killing me in your Hellcat, to do such a sweet job also! :aok
Okay, who has the custom sounds already??? :)
When this bad boy is roaming around, you might wanna put a cow bell on it, or even better the Stuka sirene. :eek: :joystick:
Debris? How about some lingering fires?.... I know, I know.... frame rates.... but just for a few seconds.
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So HTC wastes there time creating a tank that is currently NOT needed within the game, instead of modeling the m3 lee, PnzerIII,Cromwell, Churchill, or any other Early War tank that IS needed in the game more than this "king" tiger?
Wow, way to really use your resources HTC. i wonder more and more each day why i pay $14.99 a month to play this game... :bhead
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Don't start. King Tiger will own all tanks.
I wonder how long it will be till an M4(75) kills one :confused:.
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So HTC wastes there time creating a tank that is currently NOT needed within the game, instead of modeling the m3 lee, PnzerIII,Cromwell, Churchill, or any other Early War tank that IS needed in the game more than this "king" tiger?
Wow, way to really use your resources HTC. i wonder more and more each day why i pay $14.99 a month to play this game... :bhead
(http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b461/snax6/24f71232.jpg)
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Any addition is a good thing there sport, whether it's your favorite or not.
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The ayatolla of rock-n-rolla!! :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock
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I so can't wait to spawn camp with this beast, ahahahahhhahahahahahahahah
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So HTC wastes there time creating a tank that is currently NOT needed within the game, instead of modeling the m3 lee, PnzerIII,Cromwell, Churchill, or any other Early War tank that IS needed in the game more than this "king" tiger?
How is the Panzer III more needed than the King Tiger? By who's judgement?
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Don't start. King Tiger will own all tanks.
I wonder how long it will be till an M4(75) kills one :confused:.
Well, do not take a M4(75) to hunt a King Tiger then :old:
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Lusche, I'm the one camping spawns with M8's. I've killed a panther with one. Since the M8 isn't upto the job, I've gotta use the next most idiotic thing out there. I shall turret the Tiger, track him, and then procede to fire rockets from the caliope down onto his engine deck.
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I'll be dropping volkswagens on them from my Stuka
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Hull Front (Upper) :150mm @ 40?
Hull Front (Lower) :100mm @ 40?
Hull Sides (Upper) :80mm @ 65?
Hull Sides (Lower) :80mm @ 90?
Hull Rear : 80mm @ 60?
Hull Top : 40mm @ 0?
Hull Bottom : 25mm - 40mm @ 0?
Turret Front : 180mm @ 81?
Turret Mantlet : 100mm @ Saukopf
Turret Sides : 80mm @ 69?
Turret Rear : 80mm @ 69?
Turret Top : 40mm @ 0? - 12?
Hehe... this will not be a tank to stand off and "duel". You will lose in all tanks other than another King Tiger.
It has the same main gun sight as the Tiger (different trajectory), so nothing new there. Reload rate should be about the same as the Tiger, too. The projectile is the same, just a bit bigger case and more velocity (88mm Kw.K.43 L / 71).
Speed should be right around 22-23 MPH, and it could carry 80 rounds of ammo.
zGr.39 / 43 ( Armor Piercing Capped Ballistic Cap ) vs 30 degree armor [ AH uses 90 degree for their charts ]
Weight Velocity 100 m 500 m 1000 m 1500 m 2000 m
10.2 kg 1000 m/s 202 / 185 / 165 / 148 / 132 /
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How is the Panzer III more needed than the King Tiger? By who's judgement?
Compare the GV list for late-war vehicles, with the GV list of Early War vehicles.
or hell, even Mid-war gv's with Early War.
The early war gv/plane list deserves to be filled out way before more is added to late/middle.
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Compare the GV list for late-war vehicles, with the GV list of Early War vehicles.
or hell, even Mid-war gv's with Early War.
The early war gv/plane list deserves to be filled out way before more is added to late/middle.
Didnt your momma teach you to say "please" when you want something? :) The KT isnt what I would have picked to add, but is has been added so have fun with it. I was hoping for a Panzer IV remodel. :D
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I'll be dropping volkswagens on them from my Stuka
Um, what he said. :aok
You know, that cookie that the Mossie bomber carries should do nicely as well. :D
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Compare the GV list for late-war vehicles, with the GV list of Early War vehicles.
or hell, even Mid-war gv's with Early War.
The early war gv/plane list deserves to be filled out way before more is added to late/middle.
EW is an empty arena, and will continue to be if you add a Panzer III. Similar goes for MW. About 95% of the playing time happens in LW arena. I personally wouldn't mind seeing a few more "light" tanks, but you are trying to sell off your personal preference as an absolute benchmark ;)
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Didnt your momma teach you to say "please" when you want something? :) The KT isnt what I would have picked to add, but is has been added so have fun with it. I was hoping for a Panzer IV remodel. :D
The only people that are going to have fun in it are the ones able to find a nice little spot to spawn camp with it.
Like i said, EW is seriously lacking in all aspects, and yet more not-needed junk is being added to LW.
I used to love flying in EW when it had a (small)Dedicated crowd, but now barely anyone goes in there, because HTC has abandoned it (except the p40), which sucks.
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EW is an empty arena, and will continue to be if you add a Panzer III. Similar goes for MW. About 95% of the playing time happens in LW arena. I personally wouldn't mind seeing a few more "light" tanks, but you are trying to sell off your personal preference as an absolute benchmark ;)
So just because its empty, we should give up on it? Its empty because its lacking so much compared to the mid/late wars. It cant keep a crowd because It doesnt get any support from the staff. Give it a good plane/gv set instead of the joke thats in there now, and it might just see a rise in players. even the 20-30 player count mid gets would be good enough to get EW back on its feet.
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So HTC wastes there time creating a tank that is currently NOT needed within the game, instead of modeling the m3 lee, PnzerIII,Cromwell, Churchill, or any other Early War tank that IS needed in the game more than this "king" tiger?
Wow, way to really use your resources HTC. i wonder more and more each day why i pay $14.99 a month to play this game... :bhead
Sniffle :cry
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So just because its empty, we should give up on it? Its empty because its lacking so much compared to the mid/late wars. It cant keep a crowd because It doesnt get any support from the staff. Give it a good plane/gv set instead of the joke thats in there now, and it might just see a rise in players. even the 20-30 player count mid gets would be good enough to get EW back on its feet.
I remember very well when the Brewster and the I-16 were announced a lot of people predicted and increas in EW population. Not me, and unfortunately I was right, even though the B-239 has a devastating performance in EW and even the I-16 can hold it's own there much better than in LW. At this point, it does hardly matter what GV or plane will be added to the set. The reasons why EW is empty (it currently has about 1% of LW playing time) are a bit more complex than that, and don't forget one of the biggest ones: The players and how some squads did everything to wreck gameplay there until everyone was driven away.
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I'm curious to see the perk cost. Hopefully pretty pricey.
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A Tiger? In Africa?
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I'm curious to see the perk cost. Hopefully pretty pricey.
262ish I would hope.
How does the rear armor compare to the Tiger?
M-3 o'death. :devil
wrongway
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How does the rear armor compare to the Tiger?
Same nominal thickness, but greater slope.
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A Tiger? In Africa?
Tunisia to be specific.
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People only go to ew and mw for perk horden. That game did need a commanding gv that needed to bombed like the old days with the tiger1/ needed another tiger to kill it. Plus she is gorgeous. Now where's my pby:)
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So just because its empty, we should give up on it? Its empty because its lacking so much compared to the mid/late wars.
No, its empty because people can't fly their spit 16's, la-7's, and P-51's. If you split the arenas up into years of combat, you would likely see a parabolic slope in arena population going up from 1939 at the lowest to 1945 at the highest. Oh there might be a few anomalies but most likely it would look like I described.
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So HTC wastes there time creating a tank that is currently NOT needed within the game, instead of modeling the m3 lee, PnzerIII,Cromwell, Churchill, or any other Early War tank that IS needed in the game more than this "king" tiger?
Wow, way to really use your resources HTC. i wonder more and more each day why i pay $14.99 a month to play this game... :bhead
Look at it this way they are now one tank closer to what you want.
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:aok
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Compare the GV list for late-war vehicles, with the GV list of Early War vehicles.
or hell, even Mid-war gv's with Early War.
The early war gv/plane list deserves to be filled out way before more is added to late/middle.
compare the list of early war vehicles to the number of people playing early war. :D
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I think to make it fair, it should be just like the first Tiger II's ever given to the Panzer-Lehr Division and only have 1 in 6 T2's you spawn actually work. Seems fitting since the first five issued broke down and were destroyed before they could ever fire a hostile round.
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Tunisia to be specific.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLdk2C25Z14 :D
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Belial, just wet himself.
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Can somebody inline one or two of the pictures? I am at work and don't have access to the front page.
Thanks.
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(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/tiger2/tiger-ii-1.jpg)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/tiger2/tiger-ii-2.jpg)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/tiger2/tiger-ii-3.jpg)
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Thank you, AKP.
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Can we have a rusty Sherman that fires paint rounds and plays music to we can re-enact Kelly*s Heroes now?
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never gving again unless they ad something russian to counter that
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never gving again unless they ad something russian to counter that
t85 can kill it in frontal armor with hvcp (or what ever its called) ammo
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t85 can kill it in frontal armor with hvcp (or what ever its called) ammo
Yes, but you will have to get down to about 500 yards, all the while the Tiger II can squash you at any range ;)
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Yes, but you will have to get down to about 500 yards, all the while the Tiger II can squash you at any range ;)
still very do able with all the hills, trees, and smoke that a gver has to get close
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never gving again unless they ad something russian to counter that
American Pershing says hi.
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American Pershing says hi.
Better check your stats. The Pershing is more of a match up for the Panther, not the King Tiger.
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um..........excuse me ive got some wood to cut :devil
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Better check your stats. The Pershing is more of a match up for the Panther, not the King Tiger.
http://www.3ad.com/history/news/super.pershing.1.htm
Russia has a tank that can duke it out with a tiger 2 (85 wth hvap)
America needs one now.
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http://www.3ad.com/history/news/super.pershing.1.htm
A single (!) enagement under very specific circumstances.
Fact is, the Perhsing has a cannon on par with the Tiger II, but an armor lever much closer to the Panther.
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HiTech for Prez, Greebo for VP.
Skuzzy for CIA.
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I think to make it fair, it should be just like the first Tiger II's ever given to the Panzer-Lehr Division and only have 1 in 6 T2's you spawn actually work. Seems fitting since the first five issued broke down and were destroyed before they could ever fire a hostile round.
This is a later Tiger II with the production Heinschel turret protected by 180mm of armor, instead of the Porsche turret. And if you look at the actual statistics, there weren't significanly lower percentages of operational Tiger II's as opposed to Tiger I's. If you abused your engine, didn't take care of it, and tried to do things it wasn't supposed to do, then of course you're going to have reliability problems.
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Almost -->>ALL<-- Tiger II had the heinschel turret :aok
I wont even get into how you you think its unreliable because of your "sedan" analogy. Thats almost sig worthy btw. :rolleyes:
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Orders were issued to Tiger and Tiger II units not to tow other tanks, guns, ammunition limbers, etc. precisely because it put added strain on the already strained engines.
I only used that analogy because I saw it happen yesterday and so it was fresh in my mind.
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Tyrannis,
You must have a different definition of "duke it out" than most people. I wouldn't count madly dashing forward, praying the Tiger won't hit you, desperately trying to reach short range so your HVAP rounds have a chance of penetrating his armor all the while your armor is just useless weight to be a "duke it out" situation. Fact is, the Russian heavies were far, far more significant than the American ones.
Also, take a Sherman V C.
Tank-Ace,
Tiger II's drive train was badly overstrained just by the Tiger II. They were horribly unreliable.
Not saying that should be modeled, but from a historical standpoint it was a complete boondoggle.
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They were overstrained yes, but they weren't the absolute beasts people make them out to be when the were well maintained, and weren't asked to do anything too strenuous. It wasn't like the drive trains were just crapping out in droves during a moderate paced drive on reasonably flat ground.
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Problem was that due to the German war situation at that time they were rarely well maintained or not asked to do overly strenuous things. Based on the Soviet testing, they weren't well made either. The Soviets found the armor to be improperly tempered rendering it much weaker than it ought to have been.
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Again, production flaws. If were going to play that game, the B-29 would be modeled on-fire, zekes would be modeled on-fire, the 262's engines would randomly go, and sometimes your 163 would explode due to a bad fuel mix.
I believe what the russians said was that, dispite exelent craftsmanship, the armor was of exceptionaly poor quality, and welds were often shoddy. By spring of '45, the Wermach was on its last legs. It simply couldn't obtain and manufacture all the materials needed to do things perfectly. So even though the tank wasn't all it should have been, its still more than they would have had if they had waited to make better armor.
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Tank-Ace,
The A6M series had no tendency to catch on fire by itself. It was actually a pretty robust aircraft design.
It did catch fire when shot, but it does that in AH too.
I wasn't advocating the Tiger II's flawed manufacturing be modeled, just speaking of it in a historical context.
(Ki-84 does seem to have some manufacturing flaws modeled. At least that is the only reason I can think that it sheds ailerons and such)
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The Tiger IIs were sabotaged on the assembly lines by the people building them.......
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American Pershing says hi.
i agree with a russian "animal killer" (su152) well before pershing says hi the pershing got in to 2-3 tank and tank combats before wars end. is1 and is2 were in the thick of it for along time
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i agree with a russian "animal killer" (su152) well before pershing says hi the pershing got in to 2-3 tank and tank combats before wars end. is1 and is2 were in the thick of it for along time
The King Tiger would have many advantages over the ISU-152. A bigger gun doesnt mean better. The Su-100 would have a better chance vs the King Tiger in AH. The Pershing would get sent back to the bench in most cases as well.
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I think HTC could model tanks to break down if attempting to climb to steep a gradient - drive train stress. It would need a vehicle supply to 'repair' and continue. That way anyone trying to climb even a shallow gradient in a Tiger II would break down, whereas the Sherman would be more maneuverable. Not realistic maybe, but it would sort of model the reliability of the drive train to some extent.
BTW - Where's my Bren Gun Carrier?
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(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/tiger2/tiger-ii-1.jpg)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/tiger2/tiger-ii-2.jpg)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/tiger2/tiger-ii-3.jpg)
looks great :aok
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I can't wait to get camped by one of these.
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Thank you AKP for the King Tiger post. It even has the correct 360% late war pindel gun on it unlike what we have on the Panther.
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With HTC's limited resources, I would like to see our 10 year old planes updated to current standards instead of adding new tanks.
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With HTC's limited resources, I would like to see our 10 year old planes updated to current standards instead of adding new tanks.
THIS :aok
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Some people want new stuff, some people want better existing stuff. We're getting both
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Karnak, thats a physical weakness, not a manufacturing defect. High stress will cause the plane to shed parts, same is true of any aircraft if you can get it going fast enough.
Martyn, that would be really annoying, and has the possibility to shut down GV combat in AH, near enough.
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Karnak, thats a physical weakness, not a manufacturing defect. High stress will cause the plane to shed parts, same is true of any aircraft if you can get it going fast enough.
Nobody has ever found a supporting historical reason for it to lose control surfaces. HTC may have one, but they haven't shared. As far as I have been able to find out, Nakajima built the Ki-84 to higher strengths than any other Japanese aircraft.
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When you move the stick it moves the controll surfaces, causing higher drag. if you pull up on the stick, there is higher drag on the elevators as they go up to push the aircraft's nose up in turn. And at high airspeed, they may well be ripped from the plane.
I'm not sure what the thresholds are for each individual plane, I'm just saying that its plausible.
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When you move the stick it moves the controll surfaces, causing higher drag. if you pull up on the stick, there is higher drag on the elevators as they go up to push the aircraft's nose up in turn. And at high airspeed, they may well be ripped from the plane.
I'm not sure what the thresholds are for each individual plane, I'm just saying that its plausible.
And I am telling you nobody has ever found any evidence to support it happening to the Ki-84. It also happens to the Mosquito Mk VI, but not Mosquito Mk XVI, and they have the same wing. In none of my books is that problem ever described.
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As I said, I don't know if it happened with specific planes, but its not outright BS. You may be right, HTC may be right, I just don't know :old:.
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Any chance of just being happy with the work that is being done to add/re-do things in the game. Ive been playing since AH1 and seem to think they come along way. You will never make everybody happy. I wouldnt even try. Just keep doing what you are doing HT. :salute
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With HTC's limited resources, I would like to see our 10 year old planes updated to current standards instead of adding new tanks.
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Happy for the GVers who are excited about the new addition but still hoping for more variants of the P-40 :frown:
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I think HTC put the King in for marketing purposes. It's a cool addition. They are also adding lesser known new planes, new versions of planes we already have and also updating the older ones one by one. They have their hands full so its going to be a slow job. However, I do think they should concentrate on providing the aircraft / vehicles that fought at actual battles so that they can be used in re-enactments.
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With HTC's limited resources, I would like to see our 10 year old planes updated to current standards instead of adding new tanks.
:aok
Kazaa for new criteria president! :rock
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nice... and now is the time...
SU-100!!
or
IS-2!!!!
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Problem was that due to the German war situation at that time they were rarely well maintained or not asked to do overly strenuous things. Based on the Soviet testing, they weren't well made either. The Soviets found the armor to be improperly tempered rendering it much weaker than it ought to have been.
Due to slave labor perhaps? Dont know Im just throwing it out there. Its not like the forced labor never intentionally did anything like that.
I may be wrong but its pretty much my understanding not that they were unreliable. but that they were so complicated they were impossible for the crew to repair in the field when they broke down. Kinda like todays cars. You average owner cant to much of the repairs themselves anymore without being a tech.
combine that with by the time the tiger arrived the Germans were strained and largly either on the defensive, about to be or under heavy combat.
The single largest problem with the king tiger that I am aware of was its sheer size and weight which limited its movement to specific bridges and terrain hardness. After a heavy rain it sucked from a manuverability standpoint and would easily get bogged down if the ground wasnt firm enough.
Unfortunately we dont as of yet have varied terrain hardness or difficulty other then grade. So terrain should never be an issue in AH.
It size was an issue particularly in towns where the roads were often very narrow.
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still very do able with all the hills, trees, and smoke that a gver has to get close
I See the T2 as being a standoff weapon used primarily for base and town defense. To use it in attack it would be better suited in groups or as part of a larger groups like say M8's as forward scouts as I can see this thing getting bushwhacked alot. But if it ever camps a VH. It could be very problematic to get rid of.
Anyone know its rate of fire?
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I'm not sure how much the bogging down was an issue. Its ground preasure is .5kg per square cm more than the panther, but then I have no idea how big of an increase that is.
Same ROF as the tiger I pretty much. And 4 guns can kill one from the front ATM, but just 4, 5 if you do count the KT.
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So just because its empty, we should give up on it?
To be honest. I cant think of a better reason to give up on something.
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Aside from the M8 the only AH gv that has not been re-modelled is????? :D
**prays the Panzer IV H is next to be updated** :pray
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Aside from the M8 the only AH gv that has not been re-modelled is????? :D
**prays the Panzer IV H is next to be updated** :pray
LVTs? M16? :P
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LVTs? M16? :P
*looks for the smiley face with the middle finger" ok, ok, ok... I meant tank/AFV. :) The M16 just needs to be swapped out for the M3 model, and the LVT is,... well .... the LVT. :D
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Remind me again why LVT's don't have AP rounds... BLEH :noid :noid :noid
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Remind me again why LVT's don't have AP rounds... BLEH :noid :noid :noid
Are u trollin'? :D
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The new tank looks fantastic. Another Beautiful job by the Waffle and Superfly and Greebo. :salute
Knowing this will be expensive from a perk standpoint, all we need to now is get rid of the Icons that make GVs visible from Planes. It's just too easy to bomb tard. It will still be done, but It should be a little work, and forcing the planes into some less than 7500ft passes to find the GV would give the GV a chance to defend themselves.
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I can't wait to get camped by one of these.
:old: You must sign on and visit us to do that.
:pray Get out of that race car.
Please. :)
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I think to make it fair, it should be just like the first Tiger II's ever given to the Panzer-Lehr Division and only have 1 in 6 T2's you spawn actually work. Seems fitting since the first five issued broke down and were destroyed before they could ever fire a hostile round.
Thank the enslaved civilian work force for that one! Through there discrete sabotage they disabled more Tiger I/II tanks than the allied Armies! Slip a cigarette butt into an Oil line in their engine assy plant and watch it breakdown in the field!
Salute to those "forced laborers!"
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Thank the enslaved civilian work force for that one! Through there discrete sabotage they disabled more Tiger I/II tanks than the allied Armies! Slip a cigarette butt into an Oil line in their engine assy plant and watch it breakdown in the field!
Salute to those "forced laborers!"
:salute
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Thank the enslaved civilian work force for that one! Through there discrete sabotage they disabled more Tiger I/II tanks than the allied Armies! Slip a cigarette butt into an Oil line in their engine assy plant and watch it breakdown in the field!
Salute to those "forced laborers!"
Actually untill early '45, when quality controll stoped existing in any real form, most of the losses were due to excessivly rough use, and lack of maintenence. Allied bombing heavily damaged the transport and production infastructure, and as a result, spare parts were few and far between. Even in the Battle of the Bulge, the main issue was lack of fuel.
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So HTC wastes there time creating a tank that is currently NOT needed within the game, instead of modeling the m3 lee, PnzerIII,Cromwell, Churchill, or any other Early War tank that IS needed in the game more than this "king" tiger?
Wow, way to really use your resources HTC. i wonder more and more each day why i pay $14.99 a month to play this game... :bhead
you're a d bag
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So HTC wastes there time creating a tank that is currently NOT needed within the game, instead of modeling the m3 lee, PnzerIII,Cromwell, Churchill, or any other Early War tank that IS needed in the game more than this "king" tiger?
Wow, way to really use your resources HTC. i wonder more and more each day why i pay $14.99 a month to play this game... :bhead
thank you! :aok
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So HTC wastes there time creating a tank that is currently NOT needed within the game, instead of modeling the m3 lee, PnzerIII,Cromwell, Churchill, or any other Early War tank that IS needed in the game more than this "king" tiger?
Wow, way to really use your resources HTC. i wonder more and more each day why i pay $14.99 a month to play this game... :bhead
+1...With this silly "perk points", just how many people are going to risk taking this behemoth out for a Sunday afternoon drive?.... There are other tanks that would fit better into this game...