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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: F22RaptorDude on July 23, 2011, 08:35:54 AM
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I'm thinking about enlisting in the Navy branch of the Military, got inspired by my urge to travel and to serve my country. Also saw a few music video's that sparked my interest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMMceEx72sE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMMceEx72sE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEkYqL9n7vo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEkYqL9n7vo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deYOGf1gnqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deYOGf1gnqk)
But In all seriousness I was wondering if anyone on the board has served in the Navy or currently is, and steps to joining, I'm turning 16 in August and a sophomore in high school so I know joining now isn't possible. But I want to get started on my career and have something to know I want to do when I get out of school. I'm also enrolled in my schools JROTC until I get out of high school so I Know thats a step forward. But the reason I ask is because i'm wading into unknown territory now and need some advice and or help.
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I'm thinking about enlisting in the Navy branch of the Military, got inspired by my urge to travel and to serve my country. Also saw a few music video's that sparked my interest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMMceEx72sE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMMceEx72sE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEkYqL9n7vo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEkYqL9n7vo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deYOGf1gnqk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deYOGf1gnqk)
But In all seriousness I was wondering if anyone on the board has served in the Navy or currently is, and steps to joining, I'm turning 16 in August and a sophomore in high school so I know joining now isn't possible. But I want to get started on my career and have something to know I want to do when I get out of school. I'm also enrolled in my schools JROTC until I get out of high school so I Know thats a step forward. But the reason I ask is because i'm wading into unknown territory now and need some advice and or help.
Dont be like my cousin. go out the night before your big test and get high&drunk. :rolleyes:
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Talk to MaDDog. You could probably PM him, I'm sure he could tell you
a lot about the Navy.
Military Service is a very rewarding experience!
:cheers: Oz
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Go to college, ROTC, become an officer, life in the any service branch is better as an Officer then as an enlisted man.
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Go to college, ROTC, become an officer, life in the any service branch is better as an Officer then as an enlisted man.
I take exception that life in any military branch is better as an Officer. No military branch can function effectively without is highly skilled enlisted men and NCOs. Gunnery Sergeant Dan Daily, USMC, is quoted as saying, "Why be just another Officer when you can be an outstanding NCO." Life as an enlisted man can be just as rewarding as life as an Officer. The bottom line is...you only get out of service what you put into it, Officer, or Enlisted.
I encourage all young folks to go to College...however, for some, a little bit of maturing needs to take place before College finds its place of importance
in some individuals' lives. A stint as an enlisted man never hurts an individual wishing to become a good Officer.
Just some thoughts...
Good luck in your endeavours.
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You should drop BC and Modeus from our squadron VF-17 a PM about it. Both have either been active duty Navy or currently are active duty.
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Go to college, ROTC, become an officer, life in the any service branch is better as an Officer then as an enlisted man.
what makes you think that?
I respect my NCOs alot more then most officers.*ssshhhhhhhh*
I would never be an officer.To me officers are the NCOs with less point of view of an enlisted man.butterbars are some of the worst.
most officers hold themselves alot higher then they accualy are.NCOs see it from the enlisted POV.its alot easier for an officer to say "go do this" just because he can say that and go back to his desk.NCOs can say "go do this" but they know what they're getting you into because they've been in your position before.most NCOs have alot more experience then a low ranking officer.but yet most low rank officers still think they have more experience.just because they went to college.
dont get me wrong though,officers are still respected(because they have to be)Evenually they will earn your respect.LtCol and up are some of the most respectable people,but thats because they've earned it.but a NCO has been through it all,and IMO is a person you respect no matter what
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I'll try to PM people today when I wake up, i'm super busy with school about to start and family frantically trying to do some fun vacation stuff before school is back in session
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All good officers respect their good NCOs, and listen respectfully to anything a senior NCO tells them.
It's still usually better as an officer in my opinion :)
Not that there is less BS to deal with, it's just that the BS gets front-loaded and compressed into the length of your commissioning source training (a few months for OCS, a few weeks for ROTC, a couple of years for Academy) while the BS on the enlisted side can last several years depending on your career field. And the BS has a different "flavor" as an officer.
Plus, as an officer especially in operations, you often get to choose your own duty hours once you've proven yourself capable of handling your job. As even a low-level supervisor (junior captain), I only rarely had to sit rigid "office hours". Then again, I have also spent up to a couple of years at a time alternating 5am and 11am show times every other week, plus at least one working weekend a month. We *try* to keep from yanking around our enlisted troops' schedules like that, if possible, while the officers get crapped on if they complain too much about the goofy hours. And oh yea, 10-12 hr days are pretty much standard for officers in operational career fields, while once again we *try* to manage the enlisted force to not make them work stupidly long hours plus weekends.
So both officer and enlisted have drawbacks, but I still think it's a "better" experience as an officer. More flexibility and freedom to determine the course of your career and even daily schedule, at the cost of occasionally having to choose for yourself to work 18+ hr days even when you could probably get by with less. I'm not saying that enlisted troops don't work long hours too, and some of the crummiest schedules are held by parts of our enlisted forces, but again both senior NCOs and officers *try* to protect enlisted troops from the stupid schedules, while even the most junior officer has to figure that stuff out for themselves or suck it up and work the long duty day. Sometimes the additional responsibility and authority means nothing but an opportunity to send your folks home for the night while you stay at work grinding away at the crisis of the day. And that's the same for officers and senior NCOs.
Again, still, I prefer the officer side, because it's rare for even a junior officer to be told to hold to an exact schedule and do exact duties. That's totally normal for an enlisted troop for the first several years of their career... Gotta live on base, dorm inspections, strict duty hours plus supervised study times and testing up to the next level, etc etc. But a junior officer gets a little more flexibility right away. While the Lt's job is often to keep the enlisted troops that actually do all the work happy and productive, he's not forced to live in the dorms and doesn't get restricted to base if he shows up a few minutes late to work. He just gets creamed by his commander if his work isn't done right or if he doesn't treat his people properly. I'll take that responsibility over having my life micromanaged, because early on I decided I'd had enough of the rigid military lifestyle and really liked being able to set my own pace and leadership style. As long as I get my job done and nobody thinks I'm crazy enough to need extra supervision, I can do whatever the heck I want. That's led to being the last guy out of the building every night for months at a time, but nobody yells at me for having a messy dorm room either.
Oh yea, the pay is generally better too. Anyone who stays in the military just for the money is probably in the service for the wrong reasons, but the extra pay sure doesn't hurt. Consider it compensation for the ulcers.
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Being an Officer might prove difficult for me as i'm not the brightest bulb in the pack when it comes to grades. And seeing college in my future is a little hard when i'm struggling as much as I am now.
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Being an Officer might prove difficult for me as i'm not the brightest bulb in the pack when it comes to grades. And seeing college in my future is a little hard when i'm struggling as much as I am now.
It's not a big deal... If it doesn't work it doesn't work that's all. My only advice is to think really hard about why you might want to join up. Waiting lists are very long right now (up to a year before service entry) because of the poor economy, so people who aren't really sure they want to actually be in the military are going to have a really tough time and get zero sympathy or extra assistance. For every one guy who might wash out of basic because they're not committed, there are 10 guys who would gladly give up a body part to get the chance to get in.
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It's not a big deal... If it doesn't work it doesn't work that's all. My only advice is to think really hard about why you might want to join up. Waiting lists are very long right now (up to a year before service entry) because of the poor economy, so people who aren't really sure they want to actually be in the military are going to have a really tough time and get zero sympathy or extra assistance. For every one guy who might wash out of basic because they're not committed, there are 10 guys who would gladly give up a body part to get the chance to get in.
im one of tose 10.. got arthritis in my right knee so i dont see my chances of getting in to be very big... pretty damn small im sure.
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go to recruiters offices and good luck man im 17 and will be 18 in 4 months and next summer joinin marine corps
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It's not a big deal... If it doesn't work it doesn't work that's all. My only advice is to think really hard about why you might want to join up. Waiting lists are very long right now (up to a year before service entry) because of the poor economy, so people who aren't really sure they want to actually be in the military are going to have a really tough time and get zero sympathy or extra assistance. For every one guy who might wash out of basic because they're not committed, there are 10 guys who would gladly give up a body part to get the chance to get in.
I really want to do my country proud, but eye sight (and fear of surgery) Is keeping me out of the air force, and lack of physical stature is keeping me out of the marines. Navy sounds good to me because 1. I love ships/boats 2. I love to travel 3. I've always wanted to make something out of my life, something to be remembered for 4. I still believe the US can improve and want to fight for it until I expire. over all I want to fight or our freedom and insure that we keep it as well.
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go to recruiters offices and good luck man im 17 and will be 18 in 4 months and next summer joinin marine corps
good luck bro. :salute :cheers:
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go to recruiters offices and good luck man im 17 and will be 18 in 4 months and next summer joinin marine corps
Good luck :salute Do us proud
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go to recruiters offices and good luck man im 17 and will be 18 in 4 months and next summer joinin marine corps
let me know if you go to MCRD and meet SSgt Mahoe
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I take exception that life in any military branch is better as an Officer. No military branch can function effectively without is highly skilled enlisted men and NCOs. Gunnery Sergeant Dan Daily, USMC, is quoted as saying, "Why be just another Officer when you can be an outstanding NCO." Life as an enlisted man can be just as rewarding as life as an Officer. The bottom line is...you only get out of service what you put into it, Officer, or Enlisted.
I encourage all young folks to go to College...however, for some, a little bit of maturing needs to take place before College finds its place of importance
in some individuals' lives. A stint as an enlisted man never hurts an individual wishing to become a good Officer.
Just some thoughts...
Good luck in your endeavours.
You can take all the exceptions you like. My experience as an enlisted man and worked my way up to E6. I took a battle field commission to 1Lt. Life was much better as an officer.
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oh i will thinkin of being a scout sniper after basic trainin
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oh i will thinkin of being a scout sniper after basic trainin
then SOI.give it EVERYTHING you can do in basic and SOI.be very smart.
DONT screw around in school.JROTC helps,especialy if you are on armed drill or CG
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i dont plan on lettin my buddies down
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I really want to do my country proud, but eye sight (and fear of surgery) Is keeping me out of the air force, and lack of physical stature is keeping me out of the marines. Navy sounds good to me because 1. I love ships/boats 2. I love to travel 3. I've always wanted to make something out of my life, something to be remembered for 4. I still believe the US can improve and want to fight for it until I expire. over all I want to fight or our freedom and insure that we keep it as well.
All I see is that you put serving your country as #4. If you want to be a missionary go right ahead, but don't pretend you are joining to do your country good. It is disrespectful to the people that "did" join and gave their lives for that reason. If you are doing it for your country then you do not need to ask anything or explain how much you love traveling and boats (even that was at your bottom of your list. Cant be a pilot, cant be a marine, oh, wait, I love boats :lol).
I really have no respect for anyone joining for a paycheck and using serving their country as an excuse. Have some respect for those that DID give their lives for their country :old:
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Got a bunch of family and friends that have never been done wrong by the Navy, from WWII to the present, you're making an excellent choice IMO. :salute
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JROTC is definitely a big step. With 2 years of completion you can join the navy as an E-3 (I believe). I almost chose the NROTC route for college, but decided to go Army instead because the idea of being an infantry officer appealed to me. I would definitely consider the NROTC route, especially if you want a career in aviation. In the end, the respect yielded by an officer is determined by his leadership, and his character. Personally, I will make it imperative to always ask my senior NCOs for their perspective and critique, and I will take as many chances as I can to lead from the field.
Also, if you want to enlist, you can talk to SHREDD from my squad the 20th FG, he is an E-9 in the Navy, very experienced.
:salute
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Which ever branch you go in to, I highly suggest you go in enlisted THEN go to OCS if you qualify. You will have more respect from your enlisted ranks if you were one of them once upon a time. I've been told that by a good many officers who were once enlisted.
I just about signed on the dotted line to do the same thing, but chose not to at the last moment. Hindsight is 20/20, but I regret not going.
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JROTC is definitely a big step. With 2 years of completion you can join the navy as an E-3 (I believe). I almost chose the NROTC route for college, but decided to go Army instead because the idea of being an infantry officer appealed to me. I would definitely consider the NROTC route, especially if you want a career in aviation. In the end, the respect yielded by an officer is determined by his leadership, and his character. Personally, I will make it imperative to always ask my senior NCOs for their perspective and critique, and I will take as many chances as I can to lead from the field.
Also, if you want to enlist, you can talk to SHREDD from my squad the 20th FG, he is an E-9 in the Navy, very experienced.
:salute
3 years of JROTC will give you E-2 or E-3.most people only get E-2 but some get E-3 from JROTC.the reason its 3 is because some areas still have highschool years as 10 11 and 12th grade.
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I take exception that life in any military branch is better as an Officer. No military branch can function effectively without is highly skilled enlisted men and NCOs. Gunnery Sergeant Dan Daily, USMC, is quoted as saying, "Why be just another Officer when you can be an outstanding NCO." Life as an enlisted man can be just as rewarding as life as an Officer. The bottom line is...you only get out of service what you put into it, Officer, or Enlisted.
I encourage all young folks to go to College...however, for some, a little bit of maturing needs to take place before College finds its place of importance
in some individuals' lives. A stint as an enlisted man never hurts an individual wishing to become a good Officer.
Just some thoughts...
Good luck in your endeavours.
^^ This.
On that note though, being a Warrant Officer offers the best of both worlds. A Chief Warrant Officer is a specialist in his/her field, and it is a rare occasion that the "say so" of a CWO can be trumped by an officer (commissioned or otherwise) of any rank with regard to that particular field of expertise.
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If you see FBDragon on he was in the navy. Served on the Big MO. And our very own Derjude is in the navy right now. Those would be the two I would recommend talking to.
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3 years of JROTC will give you E-2 or E-3.most people only get E-2 but some get E-3 from JROTC.the reason its 3 is because some areas still have highschool years as 10 11 and 12th grade.
That's right. I remember my NSI talking about that, but I thought it was 2 years
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That's right. I remember my NSI talking about that, but I thought it was 2 years
1 or 2 years would definantly help you get in,but no rank.