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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: zippo on July 23, 2011, 12:18:58 PM
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I have read recent posts in which people say they are supporting their ground forces by bombing the gv's and that it was realistic in THE WAR. This is A GAME, and some of these tank fights have no goal other than a tank fight(ground level furball?), would it be considered support or interferrence? IMHO if they are attacking or defending a base, they are fair game, but some of these spawn battles are just gv'ers trying to play tanks.
It has been said to have a friendly CAP...that's boring for the guys flying around waiting for something to happen... how may times is a cv capped?
Has also been said to have aaa standing by...most gv'ers don't want to take a flak to a tank fight, they just up them in response to the air attacks.
I don't think I have ever heard a gv'er on country ask for bomb****s to come help out at a good gv fight......
Just saying
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most of the time they wont one of my fovorite things to do is up a hurri1 or a brew and just spot tanks for good guys.
sometimes the badguys bring too many tanks then I have to thin em out some.
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It seems the game has swayed toward the tankers. What with the IL2 gelded without F3 its simple to take out ords at an airbase and turn an airbase fight into a tank fight. Im not surprised or offended. The game always had far more tankers then tank killers and now with the new tanks introduced a new, very exciting, facet has been introduced to AH. I havnt flown the IL2 yet without F3 but know for sure its going to be far more at risk to enemy fighters. Not just that but it will be harder to setup the steep climbs/dives in contested air while keeping lined up on the tank. Oh, and with its views limited it will be more at risk for ack.
I always respected the tankers by never carrying ords and using cannon only. That and I never flew ILs or Hurr-Ds to tank base vs tank base tank fights. I always figured let them have their game too. But, if they attacked an airbase they were fair game. At least to the 37s on the Storm Bird. If we had PTAB bombs on them then they would have an even more serious problem, as it was PTABs that slaughtered most German tanks in the war.
Well maybe its time to try and figure out new tactics for the Storm Bird. The "Circle Of Death" would work if you could get 4 or more together.
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IMO, its interference unless an airfield is under direct threat. If someone bombs your hangers, then thats an invitation to bomb HANGERS, its not an invitation to bomb TANKS. I always respond in kind. If our attack bogs down because of bomb tards, then I go grab a few squadies and kill twice as many of their tanks.
I bomb flacks and campers impartially and can't complain when I get bombed under those situations.
And Rich, it has just been balanced out. There is no real reason that the Il-2 should have F3 view. Come to that, neither is there any reason that the A20, Boston, Mossie 16, Ju-87, D3A, B5N, or the SBD to have F3 view. Its just representing the multiple gun possitions alearting the rest of the bomber crew if a fighter is seen.
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I don't think I have ever heard a gv'er on country ask for bombers to come help out at a good gv fight......
Just saying
"HEY CAN YOU PLEASE MARK THAT TANK I HEAR?" hear it ALL the time :rolleyes:
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spotting is worlds apart from bombing. Unless the defenition of "mark" has changed, its a very clear request fo someone to come and report the location of a GV, not drop an egg on his head.
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Most generally I don't interfere with a battle between GV's. If I'm flying by and see a bad guy, I'll give our guys a shout on range.
If asked, I usually will mark the ones that are hiding.
Coogan
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Rooks attacking P23 last night were asking for air support, so I flew over in a Mossie, but I left the bombs and rockets at home. My intention was to give air cover. I did down a P-38 and an A-20 that were attacking us before two Mustangs showed up and ushered me out. I also tried marking tanks with my .303s, but the quat 20mm they had with them made that a bit hot for me.
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And Rich, it has just been balanced out. There is no real reason that the Il-2 should have F3 view. Come to that, neither is there any reason that the A20, Boston, Mossie 16, Ju-87, D3A, B5N, or the SBD to have F3 view. Its just representing the multiple gun possitions alearting the rest of the bomber crew if a fighter is seen
Actually I assumed they all had F3 removed. If the JU-87 has F3 then why would the IL2s be removed ? The IL2 not only has a rear gunner but also a bomb bay.
So anyway I upped a few IL2s tonight, killed a couple perked tanks and an M3. Its not such a handicap, you can do more with the views then I had thought. And the circle of death works fine. So its all good.
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Rich52,
Il-2 was being used as an air-to-air fighter in F3 mode very frequently. The Ju87, D3A and SBD-5 don't get used like that much.
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Seems to me if the fight is between two GV bases, it's meant to be tank v tank. When it's someone trying to overrun an airfield, they're fair game for air to ground.
You leave my air to air alone, and I won't interfere with your ground war :)
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Seems to me if the fight is between two GV bases, it's meant to be tank v tank. When it's someone trying to overrun an airfield, they're fair game for air to ground.
You leave my air to air alone, and I won't interfere with your ground war :)
I'm one of those eye for eye type players, Generally I love to tank and support a tank battle, now saying this - if bombs are left out I am fine and dandy, spotting is fine also except when someone brings a dozen eggs to the fight. Then I will up and spot and bomb, etc.
Generally speaking, if there's a tank fight between 2 V-bases - DONT BRING BOMBS. If your base is being attacked then by all means you can defend with bombs, but mostly what i see is someone dies once to an enemy tank, then ups bombs because he <insert 100 excuses> can't GV.
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Rich52,
Il-2 was being used as an air-to-air fighter in F3 mode very frequently. The Ju87, D3A and SBD-5 don't get used like that much.
All due respect Karnak it was used primarily by one guy "GHI" all the time as an all around airbase defender. Certainly I shot down airplanes too with it but they were almost all HO'ers or vulchers and had it coming. Its slow as as molassis, climbs like a bowling ball, and turns like pooh pooh. You basically have one move in a dogfight and then your flat and slow. Anyone in a fighter shot down by a IL2 deserves it. Heck, I was never any good in a fighter and I still beat IL2s all the time.
The F3 got killed cause of all the tankers complaining. The IL2 WAS murder on tanks. But only near airfields cause it was to slow to take to GV bases and still is. It has always been a sitting duck to flak.
Bottom line is the Ju87, D3A, SBD-5, dont get used much at all. Not in LW. They are probably the three least used planes in LW.
So the F3 is gone for good. No problem, Im not complaining. But, change of plans, theres not going to be any more leaving vehicle bases alone or not loading ords, lol I killed a Panther with 132s yesterday. Alls fair in Love and War. :salute
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All due respect Karnak it was used primarily by one guy all the time as an all around airbase defender. Certainly I shot down airplanes too with it but they were almost all HO'ers or vulchers and had it coming. Its slow as as molassis, climbs like a bowling ball, and turns like pooh pooh. You basically have one move in a dogfight and then your flat and slow. Anyone in a fighter shot down by a IL2 deserves it. Heck, I was never any good in a fighter and I still beat IL2s all the time.
The F3 got killed cause of all the tankers complaining. The IL2 WAS murder on tanks. But only near airfields cause it was to slow to take to GV bases and still is. It has always been a sitting duck to flak.
Bottom line is the Ju87, D3A, SBD-5, dont get used much at all. Not in LW. They are probably the three least used planes in LW.
So the F3 is gone for good. No problem, Im not complaining. But, change of plans, theres not going to be any more leaving vehicle bases alone or not loading ords, lol I killed a Panther with 132s yesterday. Alls fair in Love and War. :salute
In all honesty, the Ju87 does a wonderful job of tank busting if ords are up, with F3 mode it does wonders with the small bomb load it has, vs something like a hurricane C, fact is the centerline bomb does great for clusters or a tiger.
Most are just to scared I suppose to up it?
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no f3 mode at all please!...ghi's round some corner smiling getting his il2 ready!
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I think we're all in concensus: Bombing GV's is bad unless an AIRFIELD is under direct attack, or someone else brought bombs first. So, that being said, lets lay down some ground rules. We'll call it the 2011 Aces Convention.
Article 1: Under no circumstances are GV's to be bombed unless an airfield (note, not Vbase or port) is under direct attack (intent of the tankers is to capture the field), or in a retalitory manner to an observed violation of this treaty by the enemy.
Article 2: At a GV vs GV fight (including double spawns at airfields) fighters are not to protect, defend, or assist in anyway, GV-buster aircraft. These aircraft include the A20G, Boston III, Ju-87, Il-2, TBM, B-25H, or the Lancaster. Any Bomber-type or attack aircraft seen at an altitude of less than 4000' AGL are to be assumed as GV hunters, and no aid is to be given.
Article 3: Spotting of tanks is concidered the verbal announcment of a tank, or the straffing of the tank by weapons of caliber no larger than 30mm.
Any questions :D?
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I will bomb GVs when and where they need to be bombed. Sorry, but only a small percentage of players even read the forums.
That said, I rarely feel like seeking out GVs to bomb and will usually only show up when air support is called for.
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I have read recent posts in which people say they are supporting their ground forces by bombing the gv's and that it was realistic in THE WAR. This is A GAME, and some of these tank fights have no goal other than a tank fight(ground level furball?), would it be considered support or interferrence? IMHO if they are attacking or defending a base, they are fair game, but some of these spawn battles are just gv'ers trying to play tanks.
It has been said to have a friendly CAP...that's boring for the guys flying around waiting for something to happen... how may times is a cv capped?
Has also been said to have aaa standing by...most gv'ers don't want to take a flak to a tank fight, they just up them in response to the air attacks.
I don't think I have ever heard a gv'er on country ask for bombers to come help out at a good gv fight......
Just saying
i will only bomb you under local country's OK and/or request. (Sherman's need help against tigers)
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I think we're all in concensus: Bombing GV's is bad unless an AIRFIELD is under direct attack, or someone else brought bombs first. So, that being said, lets lay down some ground rules. We'll call it the 2011 Aces Convention.
Article 1: Under no circumstances are GV's to be bombed unless an airfield (note, not Vbase or port) is under direct attack (intent of the tankers is to capture the field), or in a retalitory manner to an observed violation of this treaty by the enemy.
Article 2: At a GV vs GV fight (including double spawns at airfields) fighters are not to protect, defend, or assist in anyway, GV-buster aircraft. These aircraft include the A20G, Boston III, Ju-87, Il-2, TBM, B-25H, or the Lancaster. Any Bomber-type or attack aircraft seen at an altitude of less than 4000' AGL are to be assumed as GV hunters, and no aid is to be given.
Article 3: Spotting of tanks is concidered the verbal announcment of a tank, or the straffing of the tank by weapons of caliber no larger than 30mm.
Any questions :D?
Its only fair for planes to defend port or vbases, not everbody is interested in a "tank battle" some people like myself can see it as a offencive threat to take a base. HOWEVER if there is a spawn that spawns out to the middle of no aicrafts buisness then i guess il live.
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GV fights = bombs from people like you
Bombs = perk tanks die
loss of perks = retalitory bombing
bombing = retalitory bombing to my retaliation
that means I don't get to tank because I'm going to have bombs falling
Since I don't get to tank, I might as well revenge bomb you because I lost perks
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If you don't want aircraft attacking tanks take all the tank busters totally out of the game no more IL2, hurri D and no more asking for the tank busting stuka. Problem solved as far as ground attack planes go.
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like I said, GV's attacking an AIRfield? OK, go bomb the crap outa them. Up an Il-2, up your Ju-87G. Its what I do. But I only bomb GV's attacking an airbase, in revenge for bombing my perk tank, and spawn campers.
If I didn't loose any perks, if you're not attacking an airbase or camping, you're fine.
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just came back to aces high today... i like upping the hurri2d to help defend a vbase... its all about role play to me really... i up, see if anyone needs some place for me to mark with the small gun and try to get some 40mm shots in the target (failing at it all the time) god dangit i suck at it but i still have fun, IMO its funner then dropping eggs on their heads to get kills.
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This is A GAME
Just saying
Since this is a "game" then you surely wont mind if i were to up lancs then bomb you at 1k.
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what about the guy that enjoys bombing tanks, can you imagine how rediculous this sounds to him.
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Come to that, neither is there any reason that the A20, Boston, Mossie 16, Ju-87, D3A, B5N, or the SBD to have F3 view. Its just representing the multiple gun possitions alearting the rest of the bomber crew if a fighter is seen.
A-20 and Boston actually both had ventral turrets, which will most likely be fixed when they are updated. That would give them a reason for F3 since the Ju-88 basically has the same positions. The Mossie 16 doesn't even have guns, so at least give it something. For the Ju-87, SBD and D3A this does seem as a valid argument for removing F3 since it has the same arrangement as the Il-2. However, the B5N had a 3 person crew, so F3 should stay enabled on it, since it had 3 pairs of eyes looking out for trouble.
what about the guy that enjoys bombing tanks, can you imagine how rediculous this sounds to him.
As a person who loves ground attack, tankers need to realize that they really are the only worthwhile targets for us.
Now if there was a very large train system, not just limited to strat resupply, we'd have something to distract us.
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Since this is a "game" then you surely wont mind if i were to up lancs then bomb you at 1k.
Naw.. Lancs at 1k.. go for it..i can prolly get a shot off at u with the main gun. At least have a chance to shoot back.
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If your GV is headed to my field or my town, I have no compunction of bombing you until you make that cute little "boom" sound. :)
Don't BS that if there is no opposition, you aren't going to roll right in and break stuff. You sure as hell are. That's what this game is about - fighting and breaking stuff.
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If your GV is headed to my field or my town, I have no compunction of bombing you until you make that cute little "boom" sound. :)
Don't BS that if there is no opposition, you aren't going to roll right in and break stuff. You sure as hell are. That's what this game is about - fighting and breaking stuff.
lol, someone else who gets it
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If your GV is headed to my field or my town, I have no compunction of bombing you until you make that cute little "boom" sound. :)
Don't BS that if there is no opposition, you aren't going to roll right in and break stuff. You sure as hell are. That's what this game is about - fighting and breaking stuff.
From the air or the ground, the red guys must go boom! :aok
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A-20 and Boston actually both had ventral turrets, which will most likely be fixed when they are updated. That would give them a reason for F3 since the Ju-88 basically has the same positions. The Mossie 16 doesn't even have guns, so at least give it something. For the Ju-87, SBD and D3A this does seem as a valid argument for removing F3 since it has the same arrangement as the Il-2. However, the B5N had a 3 person crew, so F3 should stay enabled on it, since it had 3 pairs of eyes looking out for trouble.
I was unware of the ventral guns, A20 and Boston should have F3 mode.
B5N only had little windows for looking out the side for the bombadier. Unless he wanted to look for enemy fighters with the bombsight (we can do that here in Aces High), he could do even less than the tail gunner could. Mossie 16 has decent views to the rear. It has the speed to out run almost any pursuer or at least keep the chase going untill he reaches friendly ack.
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"Now if there was a very large train system, not just limited to strat resupply, we'd have something to distract us"
nah. Trains and strat don't whine so where's the fun there?
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Yes they do, they have whistles! :D
One of my favorite things to do before the strat change was to find a train track and follow it until I found something to make go boom.
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GV's are here to give aircraft something to bomb. Bring ords and bomb them all.
My only exception would be using level bombers to lancstuka a position. I don't condone that practice at all.
Other than....bombs away!
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If your GV is headed to my field or my town, I have no compunction of bombing you until you make that cute little "boom" sound. :)
Don't BS that if there is no opposition, you aren't going to roll right in and break stuff. You sure as hell are. That's what this game is about - fighting and breaking stuff.
:aok