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Title: panther chin armor if off 50 is to thin and if it says perks should be lower
Post by: bangsbox on July 23, 2011, 08:02:33 PM
panther chin armor if off 50 is to thin and if it says perks should be lower

http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/90-mm-ammunition/index.html

the is a us manual on data from a 90mm gun verse panther

it states the panthers lower nose plate is 55 degrees and is 2.4 inches think
2.4 inches is is 60.96mm cough cough... 61mm
 :furious
and we only have 50mm of armor.

shananagans!
Title: Re: panther chin armor if off 50 is to thin and if it says perks should be lower
Post by: Lusche on July 23, 2011, 08:09:05 PM
You have to do more and deeper research before coming to such conclusions. The armor thickness is correct for the Panther G version we have in game. It's been even explained in that other thread you have posted in ;)
Title: Re: panther chin armor if off 50 is to thin and if it says perks should be lower
Post by: bangsbox on July 23, 2011, 09:17:50 PM
Quote from: Lusche on July 23, 2011, 08:09:05 PM
You have to do more and deeper research before coming to such conclusions. The armor thickness is correct for the Panther G version we have in game. It's been even explained in that other thread you have posted in ;)

i love u snail man

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/PantheraScheme.jpg
is this wrong as well
i will continue my research. but its hard to access primary sources these days with out paying $
Title: Re: panther chin armor if off 50 is to thin and if it says perks should be lower
Post by: Karnak on July 23, 2011, 09:21:36 PM
Paying money is pretty much needed if you get serious about the subject.  I've spent quite a bit on Mossie books in search of primary source documentation.
Title: Re: panther chin armor if off 50 is to thin and if it says perks should be lower
Post by: MK-84 on July 24, 2011, 07:54:34 PM
Quote from: bangsbox on July 23, 2011, 09:17:50 PM
i love u snail man

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/PantheraScheme.jpg
is this wrong as well
i will continue my research. but its hard to access primary sources these days with out paying $

More like "how is it right"  Theres no source on where that came from, heck I could draw that.
Title: Re: panther chin armor if off 50 is to thin and if it says perks should be lower
Post by: bangsbox on July 25, 2011, 12:08:32 AM
Quote from: MK-84 on July 24, 2011, 07:54:34 PM
More like "how is it right"  Theres no source on where that came from, heck I could draw that.

sorry its from wikipedia, but traced source of the pic back to a book on tanks
Title: Re: panther chin armor if off 50 is to thin and if it says perks should be lower
Post by: Butcher on July 25, 2011, 11:47:51 AM
Quote from: bangsbox on July 23, 2011, 08:02:33 PM
panther chin armor if off 50 is to thin and if it says perks should be lower

http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/90-mm-ammunition/index.html

the is a us manual on data from a 90mm gun verse panther

it states the panthers lower nose plate is 55 degrees and is 2.4 inches think
2.4 inches is is 60.96mm cough cough... 61mm
 :furious
and we only have 50mm of armor.

shananagans!

Problem with wikipedia is anyone can be a "historian" and upload without even checking the source for verification - - You have to gather sources and make sure they are corrected, for example here are my sources:

Osprey New Vanguard 067 - Panther Medium Tank 1942-45
cites the Panzer G's Chin Armor as 50mm on 55degree angle, they lowered the armor from 60mm to save weight since they did not want to surpass the Panther A's 44.8 tons.

However - Schiffer Germany's Panther Tank The Quest for Combat Supremacy
Gives the Front Lower Hull at 50mm 55' degree angle (also sourcing the same reason to save weight).


Your information could be linked to the Panzer A and D Models which both had 60mm at 55 degrees (Front Lower Hull Nose)