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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: iron650 on July 24, 2011, 01:24:49 PM
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The M3 Lee was an American tank. The M3 saw the North African Campaign along with limited use in the Pacific Theater. (Where it was said to be used, although it was said to be obsolete, until the end of the war in the Pacific.) The M3 hull was used for SPGs, recovery vehicles, and the Canadian Ram Tank. (The Ram was used as a trainer and didn't see combat.)
Specs:
Weight: 27 tons
Length: 18ft 6in
Height: 10ft 3in
Width: 8ft 11in
Armor: 51mm
Armament:
1x 75mm Gun M2/M3 in hull (46 rounds)
1x 37mm Gun M5/M6 in turret (178 rounds)
2-4 .30-06 Browning M1919A4 machine guns with 9,200 rounds
Engine: Wright (Continental) R975 EC2 400 hp
Transmission: Synchromesh, 5 speeds forward, 1 reverse
Suspension: vertical volute spring
Ground Clearance: 18in
Fuel Capacity: 175 gallons
Range: 120mi
Crew: 7
Speed: 26mph on road and 16mph off road
Steering: controlled differential
(http://home.planet.nl/~gkramer/Guus_WW2/Amerika/Am_Im_Medium_tank/M3_Lee_Grant.jpg)
The M3 can fill some gaps. The M3 can helpful for the EW. The PanzerIII can be added along with the M3 Lee. The M3 Lee's 75mm gun can be slaved to the turret like the hull MG is currently or be another gunning position. The 37mm was aimed with an M2 periscope. The periscope also aimed the coaxial machine gun. The 75mm gun was aimed with an M1 periscope with an integral telescope on the top of the sponson. The 37mm gun's sight was marked from 0-1,500 yd. The 75mm gun's sight was marked from 0-3,000 yd (vertically marked). The coaxial machine gun was marked from 0-1,000yd.
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I'd rather this than other tanks. +1
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+1
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+1 for this... was it used in the PTO at all?
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Sure was, here is an M3 during the Battle of Imphal. They were supporting Indian troops.
(http://www.ourstory.info/library/4-ww2/Ball/images/fire53.jpg)
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and the time when i came to battlefield which we loaned it to the british it pretty much outclassed german armour at the peroid which was panzer 3s
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I thought it was called the "Grant" :headscratch:
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the lee it was called first but after modifactions it was called the grant
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The Grant had a whole different top turret for the 37mm wider and flatter, there were delivered with the British spec turrets.
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NO PLS.... NO LEE!!! ITS S***
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPn1xS54rKo&feature=fvwrel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPn1xS54rKo&feature=fvwrel)
if ya want put in a t29, or a pershing...at least we got heavies vs heavies...
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NO PLS.... NO LEE!!! ITS S***
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPn1xS54rKo&feature=fvwrel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPn1xS54rKo&feature=fvwrel)
if ya want put in a t29, or a pershing...at least we got heavies vs heavies...
I do believe that that film is German propaganda. the German higher-ups wanted to show the superiority of German armor, so they chose the M3 Lee. At the time this film was shot however, the M3 was already replaced/being replaced by the M4, in most cases
as for the M3 Lee I say +1 i think it would be a good start to try and get some of the lighter tanks in game. :aok
Remember heavier isn't always better, just ask any Tiger how much of a pain an M8 or an M3 GMC can be.
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NO PLS.... NO LEE!!! ITS S***
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPn1xS54rKo&feature=fvwrel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPn1xS54rKo&feature=fvwrel)
if ya want put in a t29, or a pershing...at least we got heavies vs heavies...
By that logic, we shouldn't have ANYTHING from the Early or Mid war.
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By that logic, we shouldn't have ANYTHING from the Early or Mid war.
by all means... bring in the T1 cunningham that would help...
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I do believe that that film is German propaganda. the German higher-ups wanted to show the superiority of German armor, so they chose the M3 Lee. At the time this film was shot however, the M3 was already replaced/being replaced by the M4, in most cases
as for the M3 Lee I say +1 i think it would be a good start to try and get some of the lighter tanks in game. :aok
Remember heavier isn't always better, just ask any Tiger how much of a pain an M8 or an M3 GMC can be.
sure man... the m4 was MUCHHH better then the m3 lee... you want a medium tank? we already have a good one...the m4s... why would we need an inferior m3 lee? so that leaves heavy tanks and light tanks... m8 rocks.. and the m3 TDs... so i guess that leaves the heavies rite? so thats why i suggested a heavy rather than another medium... and amongst the medium... why not a pershing? or even a much faster lighter tank the m2? or the churchill??.... right now we have all german heavies... tigers, panthers, but not 1 single allied heavy tank... thank god for the m4s...
but this is just my take on things... no harm rite?
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Both M2 tanks were outclassed by WWII. The M3s replaced them.
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Both M2 tanks were outclassed by WWII. The M3s replaced them.
well then the m4 outclassed the m3 lee...i think what they want is a tank for early war and mid war only...i'd rather a russian KV1 developed in 1940 or the canadian built valentines.. suits early and midwar....
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The M3 Lee, PanzerIII, crusaders, and a myriad of other tanks deserve to be in the EW and MW. How about the scenarios for the desert. Can a KV fill that gap?
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The M3 Lee, PanzerIII, crusaders, and a myriad of other tanks deserve to be in the EW and MW. How about the scenarios for the desert. Can a KV fill that gap?
the KV can play the russian scenarios with the rest of the russian armada... but then... what do i know rite?.. the m3 lee does not sit nicely with me... but if hitech definately wants it, i guess i have no choice...but no Lee for me - 1
i would like to see a british tank for once...dun forget monty guys...
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We can barely start a Russian scenario. Some planes like the MiG-3, LaGG-3, etc. are missing from the game and currently those that can won't be able to participate because the lack of Russian planes.
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sure man... the m4 was MUCHHH better then the m3 lee... you want a medium tank? we already have a good one...the m4s... why would we need an inferior m3 lee? so that leaves heavy tanks and light tanks... m8 rocks.. and the m3 TDs... so i guess that leaves the heavies rite? so thats why i suggested a heavy rather than another medium... and amongst the medium... why not a pershing? or even a much faster lighter tank the m2? or the churchill??.... right now we have all german heavies... tigers, panthers, but not 1 single allied heavy tank... thank god for the m4s...
but this is just my take on things... no harm rite?
Don't get me wrong i'm not saying that we don't need another Heavy tank, and IMHO i think have an American or Russian Heavy tank in the game would be really awesome. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't say no to this tank because its outclassed. That and the video was taken out of context :P :aok
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We can barely start a Russian scenario. Some planes like the MiG-3, LaGG-3, etc. are missing from the game and currently those that can won't be able to participate because the lack of Russian planes.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,316863.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,316863.0.html)
this is called working with wat we got... and i think its fantastic already...minus some planes we should have had long ago... like the he111...
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Don't get me wrong i'm not saying that we don't need another Heavy tank, and IMHO i think have an American or Russian Heavy tank in the game would be really awesome. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't say no to this tank because its outclassed. That and the video was taken out of context :P :aok
like i said if i had to chance to vote for another tank... the m3 lee will not be one of them.. but i'm just 1 fish in the vast ocean..... ok... i didn't know the film was a propaganda film...my bad... :D
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The KV or M26 still won't fare well against the new KT if you want it for that purpose. (Unless hitting the side or rear armor.) The M4-75 is inferior to the M4-76 yet people still use it. The T34-76 is inferior to the T34-85 yet people still use it. The M3 fills gaps in the EW and MW. The KV should be added but should be somewhere farther down the list. (Not too far.) The scenario still has subs because of the lack. Look at the P40B. Plus I was talking more of snapshots than in AvA.
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The KV or M26 still won't fare well against the new KT if you want it for that purpose. (Unless hitting the side or rear armor.) The M4-75 is inferior to the M4-76 yet people still use it. The T34-76 is inferior to the T34-85 yet people still use it. The M3 fills gaps in the EW and MW. The KV should be added but should be somewhere farther down the list. (Not too far.) The scenario still has subs because of the lack. Look at the P40B. Plus I was talking more of snapshots than in AvA.
well its still dependent on dale and his buddies...so lets wait for the polls to start...
:salute
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Just remember that this isn't World of Tanks. Adding an M3 isn't about "balance" or what best matches up against the Tiger or Tiger II. Its about adding a vehicle that would help flesh out the ground vehicle set, see use in the Main Arenas, and also add to the equipment available for scenarios, FSO, or other events. Furthermore, historically, Aces High has only represented aircraft and vehicles that had a significant role in the war, were deployed in squadron strength (more or less--i.e. no prototypes), and saw combat. So, don't expect a T-29, unless HTC changes their mind.
From an Aces High perspective, an M3 would add a lot more value to the game than an M26.
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Just remember that this isn't World of Tanks. Adding an M3 isn't about "balance" or what best matches up against the Tiger or Tiger II. Its about adding a vehicle that would help flesh out the ground vehicle set, see use in the Main Arenas, and also add to the equipment available for scenarios, FSO, or other events. Furthermore, historically, Aces High has only represented aircraft and vehicles that had a significant role in the war, were deployed in squadron strength (more or less--i.e. no prototypes), and saw combat. So, don't expect a T-29, unless HTC changes their mind.
From an Aces High perspective, an M3 would add a lot more value to the game than an M26.
i say british tanks... :neener: :D
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I tried both the Crusader and Churchill. Anyways, des if you want a KV or British tank start a thread.
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:salute
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+1 to anything that goes "boom" when my 40mm bullets go thru
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The Lee, would only be good for town killing in the MA. Scenarios, and EW why not.
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IMO the M3 Lee would be a pretty decent MA tank mainly because of it's lighter armament. The 75mm would be ok for tank battles and taking out towns but the prize is the 37mm and 50 cal turrets on top which would be half decent against aircraft.