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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Grunt on February 18, 2000, 07:54:00 AM
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I'm here to inform you that this and all other simulations whether Sea, Air, or Ground Assault, are just debri in CRS's wake...
"World War 2 Online" will be the revoloution in simulation gaming....2:1 scale theatres...Infantry, Tanks, Planes, and Ships all modelled and fully controllable...
I'm sorry but this is the way it will be...
Go to www.wwiionline.com (http://www.wwiionline.com)
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Whether or not you are right, this post will be seen as a troll. If there is a constructive point to posting it, please help us understand it!
The only likely effect of an inflammatory post such as this is a flamewar. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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<YAWN> Only if you enjoy the never ending early war. Besides-vaporware isn`t as much fun to play as Aces High! When CRS releases it your post may have some basis-until then keep on dreaming little man. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I do not see the need for posting this here, i think every living flight sim fan out there on the web knows what wwiiol is and is counting the days for it to hit beta. . .
Regards.
// -nr-1- (Edit hehe i signed with my UO name before edit lol)
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<Ripsnort sniffs the bait.."Yep, worms again" takes knife out, cuts the hook off, attaches a 500 lber with delayed fuse to the end of the line, and jerks on line twice>
Seriously, I've said before, the folks that get a GOOD FLIGHT MODEL in order first, then adds vehicles etc. into the strat, will be very rich.
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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
++JG2++ ~Richthofen~ XO
(Formerly VF-101 Grim Reapers~Rip1~Warbirds~)
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"Opfer mussen gebracht werden"
— Otto Lilienthal
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I respectfully reserve my right to form an opinion if and when that ever goes into beta.
For now, I think that comparing the two is apples/oranges. There is nothing (to my knowledge) that can compare to the scope of what WWIIOnline will attempt.
AH still has my $30/month.
Fury
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"Fire in the Hole!!!"
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Oh Boy....jus what I want to do....pay X amount per/hr or per/month to drive a truck around and get strafed....or better yet go boating (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Competetion is good for the sim market...keeps HT on his toes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Remember guys...talks cheap....we have a great product NOW....and I'll bet my Sheepskin Seat Cover in my Pony, it's just going to get better (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cyas Up!
Rude..........Out
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By the time WWII online is actually released as a beta(if it is ever released) imagine what Hitech and his crew will have done with this Aces High that we are growing to love so much.
A Bird In The Hand Is Worth Two In The Bush!
Ranger Bob
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I spend quite a bit of time at the WWIIOnline site also.
A while back there were some trollers there, I guess when we got that maturaity there, they are now working their way thins way.
I still have a WB Account.
I have an AH Account.
I will probably have an WWIIOnline Account.
The WB is on the shakiest ground at the moment. I find AH very playable, even though there is no P-40. I get good connect here also.
To me it is really between the two flight sims, and AH has an advantage.
I would like to see WB 3.0, but I will not continue to pay indefinetly.
If someone can give me winning lottery numbers, it will be a moot point (almost said mute point.)
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Wrecking Crews "Drag and Die Guy"
Hals und beinbruch!
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It just keeps getting better for prop fans. Hope there even more.
A hand in the bush. Is worth to birds in the back seat.
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Sounds interesting,looks cool too.
Ya might wanna reconcider the use of the words, "WILL BE". I think you said...
"World War 2 Online" will be the revoloution in simulation gaming...."
Oh man, does that sound familiar. Remember Falcon 4.0? It was that simulation that took 6 years to come out and you needed a can of Raid for the CD. You can ask the Microprose Falcon team on that one. They should have plenty of time to respond since they all got the dreaded pink slip.
I really hope something like that could work, but experience says over ambitious simulation products tend to fail where starting small but SOLID works.
I think HTC is taking the proper route. It seems to work well, although very scaled down in features. You gotta give it time.
If you have 45 plane types,ships, tanks, and troops but the game is a constant crash or warp, or incomplete, you don't have anything.
Anyway, wait to see what it does, then tell me what "IT IS" not what it "WILL BE". I'll certainly check it out.
Thanks for the info though.
Peace,
Creamo
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"Anyway, wait to see what it does, then tell me what "IT IS" not what it "WILL BE". I'll certainly check it out."
You hit the nail on the head squarely there Creamo.
I have some serious doubts as to the future short term success of WWII Online but they could work them out in the betas.
Unles I get in financially tight times I do not think I'll be cancelling my account with AH. I could see opening an account with a working WWII Online, for those times I'm too tired to fly but I want to lug a rifle or drive a tank.
It's been an outstanding year for flight sim enthusiasts and with several projects going beta this year it won't be dull for a moment that's for sure.
-Westy
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THIS BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT!
All HT and Pyro need to do is throw in some vehicels, a few little ships, a couple of soldiers and....Viola! It doesnt have to be ANYTHING on the scale of ww2 online but the net results will be very similar. Also, I doubt the ww2OL will be as affordable. Remeber, they have nearly 20 mouths to feed vs HTCs 6.
Dont hesitate to challeng them HT. They will eat you for supper if you give them the chance (even though there all super duper folks).
Have a nice day (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Yeager
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Yeager I dearly disagree with you. I don't think AH should fight on WW2Onlines ground. HTC should stay on their territory and build a strong fortress. AH is all about flying those WW2 warbird babies (ok, perhaps a little strat bombing too) - they should (as for my opinion) keep tuning the FMs, bringing out new planes, adding new terrains and last but not least create immersive scenarios. As far as I can overlook it the people here in AH are true ACM fanatics who want to fly and not to sit in any front trench or drive those steel carcasses (???) not to mention about being confied in a steel box several hundred feet below sea level. AH IS the best flightsim (online or box) out there - and it should keep that hill!
Besides all that I haven't seen anything more from WW2Online yet than some screenshots and a short clip of a tank. It does not look any better than any other sim and as you know talk is very cheap. A full scale WW2 sim would be a revolution but I doubt that it can fulfill our expectations yet and besides: You're either an eagle or an earthworm (quiz: from which game did I take this quote.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
Kirin out
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Two different sims,
AH is the best, and possibly the last, of fantasy arena combat sims. They are great for a quick fix, grab a plane and furball city. Ez icons and radar to get to the fight quickly. Capture the flag strategy, etc.
WWIIOL is the 1st multi-service, axis vs allies, complete world at war. This means innovations in icons and radar models. Day and night missions. Weather and wind to effect missions. True supply lines to cut. Research and development of vehicles and weapons. Period weapons and vehicles using a 1940-1945 timeline. Player careers, allowing you to lead a squad or an entire army.
Many lust for this more complete approach. On the other hand, some will always want a quick arena sortie for fun. I wish em all the best.
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Kirin, I would have to disagree with you, WW2 flying was not just about dog fights, it was about Dog fites, Bombing, Fighter bombers taking out Trains, vehicles etc. as a matter of fact, the number of sorties done by fighter bombers were double the number of all bomber mission is WW2 (yes, I know, more availability of fighter bombers, but still a fact)
I think you can still keep the fighter jocks happy with implementation of vehicles. Just because the vehicles are there doesn't mean you have to drive them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Peace, Bro
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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
++JG2++ ~Richthofen~ XO
(Formerly VF-101 Grim Reapers~Rip1~Warbirds~)
(http://Ripsnort60.tripod.com/lrg0004.jpg)
"Opfer mussen gebracht werden"
— Otto Lilienthal
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Look at the "description" at the front page of this site:
planes, vehicles and ships will be implemented
Fact is once they are implemented there will be a 10x increase in the number of accounts/players. Alot (and I mean alot) of people are bored with flying sims.. or at least bored with the concept of flying-shooting down plane-getting killed-flying again without any "reason" other than an increasing score, which btw means nothing to the overall strategy of the game.
I've been flying CK/WB and sometimes AH now for about 4 years.. even a flight sim fanatic like myself needs something "new".
You can give your old car a new paint job, heck even change the tires, but its still the same car.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
"If it's stupid but works, it's not stupid."
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Pyro! How did you get that!?! Do you have access to the vault of drawings I have here from the Defense Department?!? JSF is on the horizon, now you just gave away our top secret project that was supposed to be a combined forces plane! (Laundry was the Navy's ideas ;p)
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If WWII online delivers what it promises and has a flight model comparable to ah, then ah could definately be in trouble as far as I can tell. The immersion of wwii Online would be the deciding factor. Imagine, actually flying for the war effort and not just to pad your score. Ground attack missions that actually mean something, have a lasting effect on the outcome rather than knock out the ack fer a few minutes so we can vulch or capture a base that some dweeb will take back at 12 noon when no one else is on anyway. Flying around to blow pieces off the other guys plane is cool (still wanna see bigger planes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)), but it just doesnt compare to actually contributing to a team effort. Even once ah gets different terrain, and maybe some vehicles and trains to blow up, it'll be cool at first but blowing stuff up with no lasting effects gets old.
I dont know, maybe I've been playing these things too long. The flight models get better (and a damn good job ht has done here and I'm appreciative of it) but the substance never changes......fly around and see how many kills you can get and maybe get into some really good fights in the process. It's definately time for more in my book, I just hope wwii online can deliver what they promise including a top notch flight model comprable to AH's. If not I'd like to see HT deliver something strategically comprable to wwii onlines' plan. Either way, the simm that can deliver the whole package gets my credit card number, and if wwii online cant deliver the flight package that ah does, then I'll probably play both. But either way, I think it's the direction that the simm community needs to go in if it wants to maintain it's customer base.
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As we say in the legal world, the issue is not yet ripe.
No evidence...no game...not worth comparing at this time.
Sit tight, we all shall see. I have a feeling that all of the online flight sims will increase the strat factor in one way or another--it will be up to the players to decide what flavor they like (AI tanks, player-controlled? AI ships, player-controlled, etc...)
My one concern about the WW2OL concept (and I guess about any game mixing in human-only ground/sea elements) is that...no one will climb in and drive the tanks, and man the ships. In AW, you could get into a T-34 and drive to an NME field--and shoot it up--if you made it. But who really ever spent the time to try that?
People simply like to fly the planes, dogfight, and have interesting things to blow up on the ground. I think we would all like to shoot up tanks trying to attack one of our cities or bases, or truck convoys, or fuel dumps. I really think simply having the server control these events will be the best method. Or let those who want to drive the tanks and ships, and have the others be AI-controlled to get the numbers you need to make it interesting.
Really--who is going to drive that tank for any length of time? It is hard enough to get a decent number of buffers up at one time.
<S> and interesting thread as far as we can go with it.
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My older brother is a tank sim junky, I am an aircraft junky. On the WWIIOL Site there are a considerable number of ground targets willing to volunteer.
If they get it working, the problem will be to find space for all the different junkies.
There are several FPS Games, Covered by infantry in WWIIOL.
Flight sims, well, thats us Junkies.
Tanks, Armor Junkies like my brother, who don't really have a Online environment.
I would do the ocassional Sub tour also.
How many Manyly Blue Plane flyers want to point the Postage Stamp into the wind.
I am first and formost a Flight Sim Junky. I don't see WWIIOL keeping my from AH, or WB 3.0 if it ever comes out.
Lets wish em all luck and support them, ultimately it is to our advantage to have them competing against each other.
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Lincoln "Downtown" Brown.
lkbrown1@tir.com
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Wrecking Crews "Drag and Die Guy"
Hals und beinbruch!
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I'm here to inform you that this and all other simulations whether Sea, Air, or Ground Assault, are just debri in CRS's wake...
"World War 2 Online" will be the revoloution in simulation gaming....2:1 scale theatres...Infantry, Tanks, Planes, and Ships all modelled and fully controllable...
I'm sorry but this is the way it will be...
This is what I think of trollers (http://www.da-admiral.com/wavs/bastard2.wav)
Run the kids out first (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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ROTFLMAO! Anything in reply donuthead? Definition of "Grunt"-the sound of a person on the toilet. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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