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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Butcher on August 06, 2011, 11:10:20 AM
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I liked the idea of the M3 with 75mm, although its Optics were terrible and you need to get pretty close to a tank to get a kill, so I figured i'd throw a turretless tank destroyer out and see what people would think (of course after Bar gets his darn M18) :neener:
Also noted, this tank has 2 main guns, I assume could be changed out in the Hanger, obviously the 7.5cm L70 would be perked slightly due to having
the same gun as the Panther. The superstructure had 80 mm thick sloped armour, which gives a much greater armor protection than a vertical armor of 100 mm. Which would make this tank pretty impressive over all.
Here's some specifications on the Jagdpanzer IV:
Combat weight, 24,000kg
Length: 6,860mm
Width: 3,170mm
Max speed: 9mph Cross country, 24mph Road
Armament: Mid War:7.5cm PaK 39/L48, Late War: 7.5cm L70 KwK 42
Main gun Ammunition: 79 rounds
Muzzle Velocity: 1,250 ft/s
Secondary armament: 7.92mm MG42, 1,200 rounds
Some Photos:
a Jagdpanzer with 75mm Pak 39
(http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/pzjag48.jpg)
a jagdpanzer with 75mm L70
(http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/jagd4.jpg)
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Im sure, with the new gv system, your wish will be granted soon.
Maybe a Christmas present? : )
+1
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+1 id like to have this beast so i can kill Tiger2's from 1k behind them :devil
stug3
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Su-100 first. They Su-100 was far more prominent and the Germans already have enough tank muscle for awhile. ;)
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:noid
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Muzzle Velocity: 1,250 ft/s
Really? That is very slow. It can't have had much penetration if that is accurate.
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:noid
Whats BAR doin here....didnt see anything bout the usual BAR bait in this thread?
:bolt:
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Really? That is very slow. It can't have had much penetration if that is accurate.
He probably meant m/s, since it is a german tank.
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He probably meant m/s, since it is a german tank.
I did convert it in my mind, but then it seems much higher than anything else I have read of. Over 4,000fps.
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I did convert it in my mind, but then it seems much higher than anything else I have read of. Over 4,000fps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_QF_17_pounder
The 17 pounder with the APDS rounds reached around 1204m/s...3950ft/s
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YES! +1
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alright, BAR is in here and im gonna beat him to it.
M18!
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love the duck
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+1
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+1
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alright, BAR is in here and im gonna beat him to it.
M18!
someone already beat you aka the original post :aok
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He probably meant m/s, since it is a german tank.
Actually I Posted it right from the manual, it must be a typo because 1250Ft/s is 381 mp/s and would be to slow to penetrate the side of a barn.
However 4,100 ft/s seems rather high for muzzle velocity, not sure on this one.
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He probably meant m/s, since it is a german tank.
you are correct sir it is meters per second i looked it up
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SU-100!!!!!
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+1 i want it NOW :furious !!!!!!!!!!!
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the Jagd IV had the 75mm Stu.K.42 L / 70, which fired the same ammo as the Panther's 75mm Kw.K.42 L / 70. That means at the PzGr.39 projectile was moving at 935 m/s and could punch through 89mm of 30° armor at 2000m.
The frontal and side armor was very comparable to the Panther. It would be a Panther w/o a turret. It would deadly at long ranges, but a fast moving T34 or M18 would be the bane of the Jagd IV since it could not traverse fast enough to follow. I seriously do not think most people comprehend how difficult it is going to be not having a turret. Go spend some time in the M3/75mm and see how much fun it is to try and traverse the entire vehicle to stay on a moving target. Remember, that means if you are able to keep up you are turning your side armor to the enemy's front.
As I said in my first post, it would fun to have but I think the Su-100 would be a better "first" for a turret-less AFV in AH simply because of the numbers and usefulness, followed closely by the StuG III.
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+1 :aok
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+1 Tank destroyers are under represented IMHO.
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The Jagdpanzer 38t
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee24/tmetal_blk/Planes%20of%20fame%20airshow%202008/anti-tankgun.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee24/tmetal_blk/Planes%20of%20fame%20airshow%202008/biggunontreads.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee24/tmetal_blk/Planes%20of%20fame%20airshow%202008/germanMobilanti-tankgun.jpg)
And just for giggles: a german halftrack with a 20mm mounted
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee24/tmetal_blk/Planes%20of%20fame%20airshow%202008/20mmhalftrack3.jpg)
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I was hoping we'd have the Wirb and Osti either very LOW eny, and gain the Halftrack and M-16 as primary AAA units for when the new patch comes out.
Halftrack had no armor, and a single 20mm would be 20-25 eny, vs M-16 thats 40 eny.
Could open up a range of AAA ideas.
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Il-2 targets? +1
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Big +1 from me, great post butch :aok
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Not a bad choice. A better choice would be for Axis side the JgPanther and JgTiger and for the allies side the Su-85 and Su-100
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The Jagdpanzer 38t
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee24/tmetal_blk/Planes%20of%20fame%20airshow%202008/anti-tankgun.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee24/tmetal_blk/Planes%20of%20fame%20airshow%202008/biggunontreads.jpg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee24/tmetal_blk/Planes%20of%20fame%20airshow%202008/germanMobilanti-tankgun.jpg)
And just for giggles: a german halftrack with a 20mm mounted
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee24/tmetal_blk/Planes%20of%20fame%20airshow%202008/20mmhalftrack3.jpg)
OHHH THE HETZER JG38t IS SEXY and the Halftrack is deadly against INFANTRY with the 20mm
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OHHH THE HETZER JG38t IS SEXY and the Halftrack is deadly against INFANTRY with the 20mm
if you're talking infantry id rather the Mg34 or Mg42 that it has
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20mm against infantry is just overkill man!
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I want to see this GV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AAgE4YV5RU
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I want to see this GV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AAgE4YV5RU
How about this? a JagdPanther live firing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov9UdRHoaAc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov9UdRHoaAc)
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How about this? a JagdPanther live firing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov9UdRHoaAc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov9UdRHoaAc)
I love it :)
I watched its film for my sounds. ;)
That's really cool. :aok
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20mm against infantry is just overkill man!
and in my opinion also less efficient. think of the rounds per minute of the 20mm compared to the Mg34. the Mg34 can mow infantry down and the 20mm can make em explode. the Mg also has more ammo therefore more kills :aok