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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: dirtdart on August 08, 2011, 07:00:41 PM
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I gave this some thought, frankly the Amsoil thread got me going. Today I had a "you did not kill me fair" etc... day on 200 from most I killed. The ringer was a guy who says "I was PWd by a 38 earlier" "our fight would have been different were that not the case" (paraphrase). So I review the film and it is indeed me who shoots the guy. Or the spawn camper who says he is not spawn camping. I just can't fathom people who have such low opinions of themselves they insist on lying in a video game.
So the question is, should the GD be used to reveal in game liars for what they are? I think so. I grow weary of people claiming on 200 to have had a fight go a certain way, when in fact it did not. It just becomes a fruitless he said she said fight. So, talk crap on 200....risk your reputation (dare I say). Thoughts?
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No need to post it here. Two thoughts:
1. Folks can proclaim themselves saints or sinners. Everyone who pays attention in game knows who is doing what and how they play.
2. In the end, who cares? Either way I'm still not really dying.
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When people whine about loosing, the best response is...
"Your right because you are the best pilot in the history of AH"
... they usually don't know what to say after that.
Also, the community quickly discovers who is full of it and who is not, so more often than not, others will step in and back you up if you have a reputation of credibility.
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Or, you can tell them that you have seen their type before and they look a lot like this....
(http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac300/Changeup1/wayansgrier-men-on-film.jpg)
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I relish those type of moments. Mmm tasty tears :D
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I don't see the point in posting it here, it's not going to accomplish anything. For some folks there will always be an excuse and the community generally knows who they are anyway, so posting it here isn't going to alter their behavior for the most part. Instead it's just going to create a series of nasty threads that will go no-where and degenerate from there till they are ultimately locked. It highlights the bad behavior of a relatively few individuals, gives them the attention they crave, and puts a bad face on the community here and doesn't really bring anything positive to the table.
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I don't see the point in posting it here, it's not going to accomplish anything. For some folks there will always be an excuse and the community generally knows who they are anyway, so posting it here isn't going to alter their behavior for the most part. Instead it's just going to create a series of nasty threads that will go no-where and degenerate from there till they are ultimately locked. It highlights the bad behavior of a relatively few individuals, gives them the attention they crave, and puts a bad face on the community here and doesn't really bring anything positive to the table.
Agreed
(http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac300/Changeup1/23.jpg)
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Ok... I buy all that. :salute
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I don't see the point in posting it here, it's not going to accomplish anything. For some folks there will always be an excuse and the community generally knows who they are anyway, so posting it here isn't going to alter their behavior for the most part. Instead it's just going to create a series of nasty threads that will go no-where and degenerate from there till they are ultimately locked. It highlights the bad behavior of a relatively few individuals, gives them the attention they crave, and puts a bad face on the community here and doesn't really bring anything positive to the table.
This is a good example of "community policing".
ack-ack
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I relish those type of moments. Mmm tasty tears :D
Mmmmmm relish...
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Nice job Soulyss.
Dirtdart. No one with an ounce of sense cares one iota about what some of these guys say or do. Why do you? .squelch and just play the game with those who you enjoy talking to and ignore the rest. Just because they mouth off doesn't mean you owe them a defense or an explanation.
I just can't fathom people who have such low opinions of themselves they insist on lying in a video game.
Do you understand where you would have to be mentally to comprehend why people do this? Why would you want to go there? It's text, can't reach out and bloody your nose so it's irrelevant drivel. The effort to squelch it is more effort than it needs, but that is probably the most attention it should get. Even posting like this gives those very few all the fuel they need to keep at it. Attention starved individuals dry up and move on if there is nothing to feast on.
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WOuldn't it be against the rules if we did that?
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Yes Hand, there is that part of the whole concept he would have to deal with as well :)
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To quote Slapshot, one of the guys I respect in Aces High.
"There is always a small microcosm of people who need to explain away their suckage."
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Don't tune 200?
wrongway
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loosing
Losing ardy, not loosing. :bhead :bhead
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Losing ardy, not loosing. :bhead :bhead
:rofl :rofl
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I gave this some thought, frankly the Amsoil thread got me going. Today I had a "you did not kill me fair" etc... day on 200 from most I killed. The ringer was a guy who says "I was PWd by a 38 earlier" "our fight would have been different were that not the case" (paraphrase). So I review the film and it is indeed me who shoots the guy. Or the spawn camper who says he is not spawn camping. I just can't fathom people who have such low opinions of themselves they insist on lying in a video game.
So the question is, should the GD be used to reveal in game liars for what they are? I think so. I grow weary of people claiming on 200 to have had a fight go a certain way, when in fact it did not. It just becomes a fruitless he said she said fight. So, talk crap on 200....risk your reputation (dare I say). Thoughts?
Funny you bring that up, for this I am going to post the film and screenshot just to see what you want to say. First of all, the fight started and I was tracked 15 minutes into it pushing your little hoarde back to the spawn. Secondly I was tracked in a WIDE open field which happened to be on top of the spawn which I had no clue I was that close otherwise no idiot brings a Panther to a spawn 1000 in an open field with no cover while tracked.
Since you want to push this issue I will post the screenshots and film just to set you straight. Btw a T34/85 or M4 would of easily killed me - instead I was fortunate Hooter was able to cover me and I survived long enough to get supplies.
Here's the time frame when my Tank got tracked, notice the film viewer clearly shows a track being blown off -
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/Panther-Tracked.jpg)
Here's a view of whats behind me - yeah not a whole lot of spawn campers here
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/Panther-Tracked-1.jpg)
Remember when you clearly quoted I was camping the spawn behind hills and trees? about that - oops I was wide in the open field as I said - TRACKED
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/Panther-tracked-3.jpg)
Here's a photo where you lying about bringing ords to bomb me - only to ditch them in front of me.
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/P51-DOrds.jpg)
And where you clearly lied saying you had no ords to bomb anyone -
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/P51-Dnobombs.jpg)
So you want to call me out for lying? Here's your proof, also the film since you are calling me out on it.
http://www.mediafire.com/?qt2ecu1rzel8was
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2. In the end, who cares?
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Ok... I buy all that. :salute
I have just bought some fig biscuits :old:
Coombzy show some respect his honour has been besmirched :old:
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Funny you bring that up, for this I am going to post the film and screenshot just to see what you want to say. First of all, the fight started and I was tracked 15 minutes into it pushing your little hoarde back to the spawn. Secondly I was tracked in a WIDE open field which happened to be on top of the spawn which I had no clue I was that close otherwise no idiot brings a Panther to a spawn 1000 in an open field with no cover while tracked.
Since you want to push this issue I will post the screenshots and film just to set you straight. Btw a T34/85 or M4 would of easily killed me - instead I was fortunate Hooter was able to cover me and I survived long enough to get supplies.
Here's the time frame when my Tank got tracked, notice the film viewer clearly shows a track being blown off -
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/Panther-Tracked.jpg)
Here's a view of whats behind me - yeah not a whole lot of spawn campers here
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/Panther-Tracked-1.jpg)
Remember when you clearly quoted I was camping the spawn behind hills and trees? about that - oops I was wide in the open field as I said - TRACKED
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/Panther-tracked-3.jpg)
Here's a photo where you lying about bringing ords to bomb me - only to ditch them in front of me.
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/P51-DOrds.jpg)
And where you clearly lied saying you had no ords to bomb anyone -
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/P51-Dnobombs.jpg)
So you want to call me out for lying? Here's your proof, also the film since you are calling me out on it.
http://www.mediafire.com/?qt2ecu1rzel8was
butcher you have your settings set to nothing. so you dont see any trees. but whoever is in front of you and has their eye candy on, will see nothing but forest all around you. you were not out in the open as you say. not from the other player's point of view.
I wish the game would allow people to set their settings to low, but at the same time not show gvs if they otherwise would be hidden by trees.
semp
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Or, you can tell them that you have seen their type before and they look a lot like this....
(http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac300/Changeup1/wayansgrier-men-on-film.jpg)
Two thumbs up...
in a circle :rofl
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Hmm, in last photo, a tree is clearly shown to the left and above main gun-FAIL.
Also, bombs clearly shown on Pony.
But, then again, WHO CARES!
And why worry what somebody says. So what camping, or not.
Part of game, as is bombing tanks.
Reminds me of this (my now grown daughters) "Mom, Dad, she keeps hitting me"
"No I'm not", "Yes you are" No I'm not", "Yes you are"......
C'mon kiddies, let's just play.
:cheers: Oz
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Ok, watch the whole film. I brought bombs to kill your spawn camping butt. To be expected if you park a perk tank 1.0 from the spawn. Regardless of whether or not your tracked, the intent is the same. Further, if you watch the films and the PMs, I was cordial about it, warned you I would be back with ords. Then, when I flew in, there were two air cons. I ditched my ords to fight them (I am turning to the right and climbing when I dropped my ords), in fact I don't think I ever saw your icon. I recall your words "the landed 30 feet away from me" when in fact they landed over a k away. Its not all about you kiddo. I then killed the P-40 and the 38, and a pony (IIRC), then ran out of gas as the yak got me <S> Agadoon.
We had a discussion about shooting through trees, and I commented on it was my perspective. You had the exact spot where you could fire under the boughs, but mine hit them. The entire time your line is "I am not spawn camping". Anyway, then you get bent because an hour later, I bomb you, spawn camping, yet again.
My entire point is, if spawn camping is your idea of fun, so be it. I will up and try to break the camp, because frankly it is challenging and I care less about "score". Score is not equal to competence. You on the other hand care about score and are offended because I bombed you. Now, how on earth would I know that of all the tanks there, that the one I bomb an hour later would end up being you. I just chalk that up to Karma.
I brought ord to kill spawn campers, period. It just so happens that there were a few knight airplanes doing the same (although you said they were not there to bomb) and I chose to fight them instead of bombing you. I thought we were cool until I killed you, then the worm turned.
There is a special Chinese hell for spawn campers. (think big trouble in little china)
Edit: Nice editing on the picture of me with bombs. No time on it, but the screen shot of you there is. Anyway if anyone really cares, watch the film if it too is unedited.
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Hmm, in last photo, a tree is clearly shown to the left and above main gun-FAIL.
Also, bombs clearly shown on Pony.
But, then again, WHO CARES!
And why worry what somebody says. So what camping, or not.
Part of game, as is bombing tanks.
Reminds me of this (my now grown daughters) "Mom, Dad, she keeps hitting me"
"No I'm not", "Yes you are" No I'm not", "Yes you are"......
C'mon kiddies, let's just play. :cheers: Oz
Oz, I am with you in spirit, but this one just got under my skin. If every guy who lied about how they were killed were shamed, maybe (not holding my breath) they would quit whining and try to get better. Shame can be a powerful motivator. Some guys just have a problem with integrity and although they try to be better, their natural default is a lie, it is a reflection of their character. When I first started playing I caught hell from lots of folks and my own squaddies because I thought HOing guys in a mossie what the cutting edge of flying. Thankfully they pressured me into getting better. Whether we accept it or not, this is a community. Every community has its ups and downs, its gentlemen, and its losers. If most endeavored to be the gentlemen, perhaps the gameplay would improve. Nothing like a hard won victory or a hard lost fight followed by cordial comments recognizing each others efforts.
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I brought ord to kill spawn campers, period. It just so happens that there were a few knight airplanes doing the same (although you said they were not there to bomb) and I chose to fight them instead of bombing you. I thought we were cool until I killed you, then the worm turned.
Edit: Nice editing on the picture of me with bombs. No time on it, but the screen shot of you there is. Anyway if anyone really cares, watch the film if it too is unedited.
Yes the Film shows everything - including the unedited Screenshot's by the way, sorry my tank didn't show up as it generally doesn't due to the film viewer. By the way if you killed me, how come the film shows otherwise?
Glad you finally admitted you brought ords, I mean at least you are finally are honest about one thing so far, which is only reason I got pissed as I told you I would post the film - I was telling the truth where you continue to talk about "police against lying" - so if you killed me where is it on the film? <S> If you need help determining if a tank is a Panther or King Tiger I am more then willing, just as I told you I could show you how to aim through trees without hitting them.
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I don't bomb spawn campers..........I just take their base.
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"THIS ISNT FAIR!!!" I would have totally won had I not lost. :bolt:
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Or, you can tell them that you have seen their type before and they look a lot like this....
(http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac300/Changeup1/wayansgrier-men-on-film.jpg)
hated it! :bolt:
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Mmmmmm relish...
is good on small pieces of meat that "taste like chicken." (http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/8227/tongue0022.gif)
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Always record your film to catch them out :t
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Losing ardy, not loosing. :bhead :bhead
OMG! TY Grizz!
JUGgler
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OMG! TY Grizz!
JUGgler
Man, you guys need to revamp your HR department. How did Ardy slip through the first four interviews??
Changeup
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Man, you guys need to revamp your HR department. How did Ardy slip through the first four interviews??
Changeup
I think Grizz is "loosing" control of things
JUGgler
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I think Grizz is "loosing" control of things
JUGgler
Pfewww! I thought I was "loosing" my mind there for a moment.
Changeup
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Man, you guys need to revamp your HR department. How did Ardy slip through the first four interviews??
Changeup
sometimes I wonder myself, blame Yenny
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sometimes I wonder myself, blame Yenny
Blame Yenny? Grizz was out of the office for all FIVE of your interviews? Hmmm, he's in everyday but the days you I interview...what's that tell ya? He could have been out trying to keep from "loosing" a muppet from the squad perhaps? :neener:
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Always record your film to catch them out :t
Shoot me a PM on how to load a file please....
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Blame Yenny? Grizz was out of the office for all FIVE of your interviews? Hmmm, he's in everyday but the days you I interview...what's that tell ya? He could have been out trying to keep from "loosing" a muppet from the squad perhaps? :neener:
don't worry Changeup, your application is still under review... we don't want to repeat mistakes :devil
...unless of course you want to try out for the bomber wing
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don't worry Changeup, your application is still under review... we don't want to repeat mistakes :devil
...unless of course you want to try out for the bomber wing
That makes me feel much better....now I've got a fallback position if I dont get into vTards... :x
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butcher you have your settings set to nothing. so you dont see any trees. but whoever is in front of you and has their eye candy on, will see nothing but forest all around you. you were not out in the open as you say. not from the other player's point of view.
I wish the game would allow people to set their settings to low, but at the same time not show gvs if they otherwise would be hidden by trees.
semp
GV Settings have to be on maximum visual range otherwise you don't see GV's at a distance, so attempting to remove the "trees" from a distance only means you can't see a GV either so its pointless attempting to run at the lowest graphic settings - however I do not have the smooth ground settings or high res packs due to a laptop that easily overheats which causes it to crash due to the temperature.
What I see is what everyone else see's, its just not on a high resolution or "eye candy", he knew where I was, film you can clearly hear at least 20+ ricochets so I'm quite sure he clearly seen me on his end - rather he just wasn't able to kill me.
Hopefully in a few weeks I can get my new PC, its degrading enough when you can't even tell the angles of hills in a GV, which cause me to flip a GV 4-5 times a day because the hills are a light green color which match the ground surface, so judging the angles can be brutal.
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GV Settings have to be on maximum visual range otherwise you don't see GV's at a distance, so attempting to remove the "trees" from a distance only means you can't see a GV either so its pointless attempting to run at the lowest graphic settings - however I do not have the smooth ground settings or high res packs due to a laptop that easily overheats which causes it to crash due to the temperature.
What I see is what everyone else see's, its just not on a high resolution or "eye candy", he knew where I was, film you can clearly hear at least 20+ ricochets so I'm quite sure he clearly seen me on his end - rather he just wasn't able to kill me.
Hopefully in a few weeks I can get my new PC, its degrading enough when you can't even tell the angles of hills in a GV, which cause me to flip a GV 4-5 times a day because the hills are a light green color which match the ground surface, so judging the angles can be brutal.
When GVing I've noticed a few things... Mountains aren't always opaque, trees and other flora aren't always there, and what the other guy sees is more important than what you see. I've been behind hedge rows where the only thing I see is round after round going through the hedge row and hitting me. From other guys film, he was actually lobbing over the top, however due to how the game computes things, round is on a flat tragectory on my screen. I've been behind mountains or hills where I know there was no way someone could see me, only to have someone lob a round over the top or get an extremely narrow angle for a shot. I've seen on my end how this happens, and it's because sometimes you can just see things through mountains (like the sun).
Finally, in regards to graphics settings:
Turning down your vis range or your object range will only make it harder to take long shots, all objects are still there, now you just can't see them. There are objects that 'aren't there'. These are the same things you drive through. Turn off 'bump map terrain' and hit ctrl-f4 when GVing, you'll get rid of the clutter, and focus your graphics to loading what you can actually see in a GV. This is about the biggest advantage you can get by tweaking game settings.
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Finally, in regards to graphics settings:
Turning down your vis range or your object range will only make it harder to take long shots, all objects are still there, now you just can't see them. There are objects that 'aren't there'. These are the same things you drive through. Turn off 'bump map terrain' and hit ctrl-f4 when GVing, you'll get rid of the clutter, and focus your graphics to loading what you can actually see in a GV. This is about the biggest advantage you can get by tweaking game settings.
I can't exactly tweak the game, its either on or "off" and in my case everything is pretty much off like skins, weapon effects or Vehicle, however Horizon is on.
Dont know what bump map terrain is, but I shut everything off in the advanced graphic setting due to problems in the past.
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GV Settings have to be on maximum visual range otherwise you don't see GV's at a distance, so attempting to remove the "trees" from a distance only means you can't see a GV either so its pointless attempting to run at the lowest graphic settings - however I do not have the smooth ground settings or high res packs due to a laptop that easily overheats which causes it to crash due to the temperature.
What I see is what everyone else see's, its just not on a high resolution or "eye candy", he knew where I was, film you can clearly hear at least 20+ ricochets so I'm quite sure he clearly seen me on his end - rather he just wasn't able to kill me.
Hopefully in a few weeks I can get my new PC, its degrading enough when you can't even tell the angles of hills in a GV, which cause me to flip a GV 4-5 times a day because the hills are a light green color which match the ground surface, so judging the angles can be brutal.
butcher i have lowered my settings and I see a lot less trees than using higher settings. I am not blaming you, I already know your laptop cant handle the extra eye candy. just pointing out that you are not actually in the open. even more you were on the other side of a hill and were even further hidden from the others. again, nothing wrong with taking advantage of terrain i wouldda done the same thing. but just pointing it out to you. i dont think you did anything wrong there, except stating that you were out in the open in plain view. had you been out in plain view they wouldda nailed you.
like I said you did nothing and it's really childish for others to accuse you of something that isnt true.
semp
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Long film. http://www.mediafire.com/?awehl6zjzf6v8ff
Key times (after 14 minutes of spawn dying) yes..yes...I do enjoy it and don't complain, I just say again....there is a special chinese hell for spawn campers.
I don't accuse you of shooting through trees, we agree that perspective causes the illusion (21:00ish) Also having a cordial PM conversation about tanks et al.....
I warn you guys that I am headed your way with bombs after the camp, and you get fixed mr. I was tracked the whole time somewhere in the first 14 minutes (14:43)
I ditch my ords in response to the airplanes and through some crazy fluke that land near you, I was "trying to bomb you" (22:37) you said you have bombs, I reply I have no bombs (29:28)
The bottom line is you were cool, until you were killed. Somehow spawn camping is OK, but bombing a spawn camper in response is not. This post was only partially about you.
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The bottom line is you were cool, until you were killed. Somehow spawn camping is OK, but bombing a spawn camper in response is not. This post was only partially about you.
Who killed me? nobody.
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Nobody on this film. Dropped on a spawn camper parked next to a barn about an hour later and it just happened to be you. Your diatribe on 200 about being bombed following you landing 44 kills got me going. If you camp a spawn expect to be bombed and don't snivel about it.