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Title: a couple new fighters
Post by: Tank-Ace on August 09, 2011, 01:14:41 PM
I would like to wish for the following:

Re-2005
max speed: 421mph @ 23k
rate of climb: 3900'/min

2 12.7mm mgs
1 Mg152/20 hub cannon
2 Mg151/20 wing cannons

And the IAR-80C
Maximum speed at 5000 m 485 km/h
Maximum speed at 5000 m 485 km/h

2 Mg151/20
4 7.92mm FN machine guns.
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: B-17 on August 09, 2011, 09:08:57 PM
Why'd you put the max speed twice for the IAR?
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: Pigslilspaz on August 09, 2011, 09:10:22 PM
Probably read the same line twice and typed that instead of rate of climb.
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: B-17 on August 09, 2011, 09:10:56 PM
Ah, true. Are they both Italian, TankAce?
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: Karnak on August 09, 2011, 09:28:46 PM
Ah, true. Are they both Italian, TankAce?

The IAR-80C is, IIRC, Romanian.


-1 to the RE2005, =1 to the IAR-80C.

Italian aircraft we need are things like the SM.79-ii, C.R.42, G.50 and C.200.  You know, the things they actually fought their war with.  We don't need things like the G.55 and Re2005, things they wish they had fought the war with.
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: Tank-Ace on August 09, 2011, 10:47:05 PM
+1 to the bombers, but -1 to the G.50 and C.200. The C.205 didn't see much more service with the Reggia Aeronatica than the G.55 and Re.2005 did.

And yes, I did read the same line twice. The IAR.80C was capable of something around 3000'/min. I don't wanna do the conversion from time to 5000 meters, so you'll have to do it yourself if you're that desperate for an exact number  :).


And beyond just the uses they would have in special events or even the Late War arena, these would both give us entirerly new aircraft, with very different handling characterisitcs from anything we have, and thats something we haven't seen in a while.
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: Raphael on August 09, 2011, 10:48:02 PM
IAR FTW! +1000000000000!
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: Raphael on August 09, 2011, 10:48:59 PM
yes! it is romanian Industria Aeronautica Romania = IAR
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: Pigslilspaz on August 09, 2011, 11:30:09 PM
IAR-80, the bastard child of the F4U and the Spit  :neener:
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: Karnak on August 09, 2011, 11:34:22 PM
And beyond just the uses they would have in special events or even the Late War arena, these would both give us entirerly new aircraft, with very different handling characterisitcs from anything we have, and thats something we haven't seen in a while.
Then why not ask for fighters that actually fought?  J2M3/J2M5, Ki-44-II or Yak-3?  Why ask for fantasy Italian aircraft?
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: B-17 on August 10, 2011, 12:36:47 AM
+1 to the bombers, but -1 to the G.50 and C.200. The C.205 didn't see much more service with the Reggia Aeronatica than the G.55 and Re.2005 did.

And yes, I did read the same line twice. The IAR.80C was capable of something around 3000'/min. I don't wanna do the conversion from time to 5000 meters, so you'll have to do it yourself if you're that desperate for an exact number  :).


And beyond just the uses they would have in special events or even the Late War arena, these would both give us entirerly new aircraft, with very different handling characterisitcs from anything we have, and thats something we haven't seen in a while.

3000'/m = about 1 km/minute.
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: Tank-Ace on August 10, 2011, 01:57:12 AM
They did fight. The Re-2005 has  confirmed kills. It served at squadron strength. It meets every criterion for addition to the game.


I think the real problem here is that I didn't ask for something thats either British, or useless and redundant  :neener:.
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: Debrody on August 10, 2011, 02:19:09 AM
here is that I didn't ask for something thats either British, or useless and redundant  :neener:.
Be cool, dude. Yup maybe thats true too, but if i can remember correctly, about 25 re-2005s were produced. Much less than ta-152s...
The standardised fighter was the C-205 and the G-55 til '44 september when the italians got 109G6s. Mario Bellagambi (italian ace pilot) said that "the Macchi performs well against fighters, the G-55s inpotent."
In the early war, the G-50 performed poory, being only a bit faster than the Cr-42. The C-200 was a better aircraft.
I would vote for the Cr-42, C-200, Re-2000 and the S-79. Both would be hangar queens in the MA but excellent additions to the scenarios.

The IAR-80 wasnt an early-war aircraft... just saying. With its top speed i would wonder if it could catch an il-2...

About the Re-2000: it was exported to Hungary, til '42, it was our standard fighter, with its license-produced version called MAVAG Héja (Hawk)
Re.2000:
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m601/Debrody/493px-Reggiane_Re_2000_svg.png)
MAVAG Héja:
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m601/Debrody/532PX-1.png)
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: Karnak on August 10, 2011, 02:26:21 AM
They did fight. The Re-2005 has  confirmed kills. It served at squadron strength. It meets every criterion for addition to the game.


I think the real problem here is that I didn't ask for something thats either British, or useless and redundant  :neener:.
Exactly what British aircraft have you seen be advocate for lately?

Do you think the Ju188, J2M3/J2M5, Ki-44-II or Yak-3 are British, useless or redundant?

You're asking for aircraft that had miniscule numbers when there are vastly more significant aircraft the Italians had.  The rare C.205 is already modeled, asking for the G.55 or Re2005 is like asking for the Halifax in addition to the Lancaster.
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: B-17 on August 10, 2011, 02:29:40 AM
Your forgot to mention the He-111 and the Do-217 :D
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 10, 2011, 02:31:40 AM
They did fight. The Re-2005 has  confirmed kills. It served at squadron strength. It meets every criterion for addition to the game.


I think the real problem here is that I didn't ask for something thats either British, or useless and redundant  :neener:.

The Re.2005 really didn't serve in squadron strength, with only 29 being built.  The plane was flown by squadrons that also flew other types, not just the Re.2005.  I think at any one time, peak strength was 10 flown by 362a Squadriglia.  The first squadron to receive them, 362a Squadriglia (equipped with 8) lost all but two and those were then transfered to 371a Squadriglia and soon destroyed on the ground.  Then 362a Squadriglia received 10 more Re.2005s shortly before the Armistice in 1943.  At any one time there was no more than 10 operational Re.2005s.  The ones that Germany took after the Armistice are in question as their fates aren't really known.  Some claims have the planes defending Berlin from air raids, other claims the oil fields at Ploesti while more recent research indicates the Re.2005s never left Italy or saw any further action and were most likely destroyed on the ground or by their crews.

It is also worth noting that the Re.2005 never really entered into production.  With the exception of the two prototypes, only 27 pre-production models were built for a total of 29.

ack-ack
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: alpini13 on August 10, 2011, 01:28:56 PM
+1 for both,what a great addition these would be for the game
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: Tank-Ace on August 10, 2011, 01:34:57 PM
Alright AKAK, thanks. You're always a gold-mine of information.

Do you just have a bunch of origional sources, or do you have some credible online sources you could share?
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 10, 2011, 02:49:57 PM
Alright AKAK, thanks. You're always a gold-mine of information.

Do you just have a bunch of origional sources, or do you have some credible online sources you could share?

Fiance bought me a crap load of aviation books that I've just got to reading over the summer to kill the boredom of being stuck at home.  A couple of the books are on Italian planes and I also found another one online that was free (Giorgio Apostolo, Reggiane Re 2001, La Bancarella Aeronautica).


Butcher-

Here are some books you might want to check out.

Courage Alone: The Italian Air Force 1940-1943
Regia Aeronautica: The Italian Air Force 1923-1945 - An Operational History
Gianni Cattaneo, The Regianne 2000, Doubleday (free download)

ack-ack

Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: Tank-Ace on August 10, 2011, 05:56:20 PM
Thanks again AKAK  :salute.
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: alpini13 on August 12, 2011, 11:48:39 AM
oh yeah,these two would be great +1 for new fighters!
Title: Re: a couple new fighters
Post by: Tank-Ace on August 12, 2011, 01:44:27 PM
As I said before, a big reason I like them is  that they would be the first new new fighters we've had in a while. Not just redone graphics or a new variant of an old fighter.


Looking back on what AKAK said, and information I was able to dig up through tedious and time-consuming research at my local library district (yes, they've pooled together into a district that loans books to other librarys upto 150 miles away  :bhead), I think getting the Re.2005 is kind of a long strech. If HTC OK's the M26, then we could probably get it.