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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: oboe on August 15, 2011, 10:51:19 PM
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These are Works In Progress, but I need to pick a smaller number to concentrate on for submission. I'd like to do skins that people would like to see in game, so if you would, please vote for a few skins you'd like to see me continue to work on. As always, comments are welcome. I know I have a couple of favorites in here. Thanks in advance!
Lt Col Elwyn Righetti's "Katydid", 55th FG, 338th FS
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Katydid-promo.jpg)
Capt Ray Wetmore in "Daddy's Girl", 359th FG, 370th FS
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Daddys-Girl-promo-1.jpg)
Capt Chuck Yeager "Glamorous Glen III", 357th FG, 363rd FS
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Glamorous-Glen-promo-1.jpg)
Capt Lowell Brueland's "Grim Reaper" of the 354th FG, 355th FS
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Grim-Reaper-promo.jpg)
Lt Col Gordon Graham's "Down For Double" from the 355th FG, 354th FS
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Down-For-Double-promo.jpg)
Lt Fred Warner's "Chicago's Own" of the 354th FG, 356th FS
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Chicagos-Own-promo.jpg)
Maj William Shomo's "The Flying Undertaker" of the 82nd Tactical Reconnaissance Squadron (PTO)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Flying-Undertaker.jpg)
Lt Louis Curdes "Bad Angel" of the 3rd Air Commando Group, 4th FS (PTO)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Bad-Angel.jpg)
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These are my top four pics.
Capt Ray Wetmore in "Daddy's Girl", 359th FG, 370th FS
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Daddys-Girl-promo.jpg)
- This skin has a unique visual appeal. I admire the green nose. There aren't any green nose patterns like this currently in game.
Capt Chuck Yeager "Glamorous Glen III", 357th FG, 363rd FS
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Glamorous-Glen-promo.jpg)
- One of the most requested skins to include in the game. Plus Chuck Yeager has a great history too.
Lt Col Gordon Graham's "Down For Double" from the 355th FG, 354th FS
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Down-For-Double-promo.jpg)
- I don't believe there are any 355th skins for the D in game. The paint scheme on this profile is also unique.
Lt Louis Curdes "Bad Angel" of the 3rd Air Commando Group, 4th FS (PTO)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Bad-Angel.jpg)
- A good Pacific theater skin. The story behind this pilot alone is worth the inclusion for this one.
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Daddy's Girl, Bad Angel, Down for Double, Flying Undertaker ...ranked in that order.
nice work. :aok
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Daddys Girl has my vote.
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Capt Chuck Yeager "Glamorous Glen III", 357th FG, 363rd FS <-this I like :)
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Chuck Yeager :aok
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Skip Yeager. The PTO skins are a must. Down for a Double and KatyDid to finish out the 4. You know what? Submit all of em but Yeager. I'm Yeager'd out :)
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They are all great, but we do need PTO skins in the P-51. How many do we have right now on AH?
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They are all great, but we do need PTO skins in the P-51. How many do we have right now on AH?
Guess my Commonwealth posts have gone to waste. :(
Frankly submitt them all the quality is good enough & lord knows there are a few already in game that should be laid to rest & make room for what you have. :aok
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Guess my Commonwealth posts have gone to waste. :(
Frankly submitt them all the quality is good enough & lord knows there are a few already in game that should be laid to rest & make room for what you have. :aok
Thanks! I beleive ink was planning to do a shark mouthed 51 that you had posted, lyric.
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Lt Col Elwyn Righetti's "Katydid", 55th FG, 338th FS
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Katydid-promo.jpg)
Obviously :D
I'm drooling here Oboe. I love them all but besides KATYDID it would be Down for Double, Daddy's Girl, and The Flying Undertaker.
I feel like I'm placing a bet at the horse races.
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Katydid and Daddy's Girl, but frankly they are all worthy :aok
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After staring a Grim Reaper for 10 minutes I want it too.
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Thanks! I beleive ink was planning to do a shark mouthed 51 that you had posted, lyric.
all are awesome but kaddydid and bad angel if I had to choose...and yes I did start the sharkmouth 51 and looking at these skins gives me some awesome clues
very nice work
:salute
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Katydid, Daddy's Girl and Grim Reaper.
Lets not go overboard on Pacific skins. The mainland China ones are cool but a proponderance of them is a waste as there just wasn't much of an Air War there.
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Grim Reaper, Down for Double, and Bad Angel.
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They all look great and well worth inclusion in the game. However if I have to choose I'd go for Grim Reaper, The Flying Undertaker and Down for Double.
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the flying undertaker.
best one.
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You know, it does have the feel of a horse race..
And they're off!
It's Daddy's Girl, Glamorous Glen, Down for Double and Bad Angel first out of the gate...
Daddy's Girl and Glamorous Glen in the lead...
Now here comes Down for Double and Katydid...
It's Daddy's Girl, Glamorous Glen, Down for Double and Bad Angel with Grim Reaper and Chicago's Own struggling to get out of the gate...
And here comes Flying Undertaker and Bad Angel on the outside -- it's Bad Angel by a nose as they enter the clubhouse turn...
Now Daddy's Girl and Bad Angel neck and neck...
Daddy's Girl by a nose - now pulling away from the pack...
Now here comes Katydid! Glamorous Glen falling back into the pack...
It's Daddy's Girl, Bad Angel and Katydid followed by Down for Double and Flying Undertaker out of the clubhouse turn...
It's Daddy's Girl and Bad Angel, Daddy's Girl and Bad Angel - Grim Reaper works her way up thru the pack....
It's Daddy's Girl, Bad Angel, Down for Double followed by Flying Undertaker, Grim Reaper and Katydid with Chicago's Own trailing badly...
It's Daddy's Girl by a length, followed by Bad Angel, Down for Double and Flying Undertaker...Grim Reaper, Katydid and
Glamorous Glen with Chicago's Own bringing up the rear on the backstretch...
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Katydid, Daddy's Girl and Grim Reaper.
Lets not go overboard on Pacific skins. The mainland China ones are cool but a proponderance of them is a waste as there just wasn't much of an Air War there.
Shomo won the MOH so I figure that one rates. Skip Yeager's bird. I like Katydid just because the markings are unique. Unique is good in my book . The rest I could care less about since they're simply just more generic ETO skins and blend in with the crowd.
Bad Angel = unique as well, so :aok for that one too...
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Love them all, Oboe. If I were to choose one, however: The Flying Undertaker
Amended: I also really like Katydid and Grim Reaper.
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Love them all, Oboe. If I were to choose one, however: The Flying Undertaker
Thanks QRSU - feel free to choose more than one. I'll work up at least 3 for sure.
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I am gonna piggy back on this thread to keep it centralized.. Should I finish this one up and submitt it?
Maj. Jack M Ilfrey. Houston, TX. 79th Fighter Squadron. 20th Fighter Group, P-51D 44-13761 MC-I "Happy Jack's Go Buggy".
(http://www.51hangar.net/skins/HJGB.jpg)
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^ Wow now that is a colorful paint scheme. Definitely submit!
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Re: "Submit them all" -- we still don't know how many IF any free slots we'll have after all the backlogged P-51 skins are put into the game. Having 1 person submit a flood of skins at the first sign of free slots may just remove any extra space we gained. I think he is being respectful to other skinners and being responsible to get the best choices submitted rather than just sending them all in. Big salute for that, Oboe!
Fencer: It's nice, and I wouldn't say no to it at all, but IMO I would probably still mostly fly "Lou IV" when I want my OD/BMF mixed colors P-51Ds.
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I voted in the preview thread, but might as well re-state it here:
Down for a Double. I like Undertaker, but IMO we seem to have several similar P-51 skins like that already (with those stripes)
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I am gonna piggy back on this thread to keep it centralized.. Should I finish this one up and submitt it?
Maj. Jack M Ilfrey. Houston, TX. 79th Fighter Squadron. 20th Fighter Group, P-51D 44-13761 MC-I "Happy Jack's Go Buggy".
(http://www.51hangar.net/skins/HJGB.jpg)
When i first seen that picture, i thought thats a 190... for a second. Nice skin.
Btw. we have 16 open slots for every plane... dont worry about which one to submit.
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I love Jack Ilfrey and that's a great looking scheme! Lots of interesting elements in that skin - nicely detailed. Only downside to it I see is there already is a 20th FG '51D in game. But this one's FG ID pattern on the nose is different from the other; and OD upper surface wings set it apart from most 51D skins.
Even 32 slots isn't enough for the Pony IMO. I still hope they rotate out a lot of the older skins. Many comments I hear from non-AH players when I show them our skins is how much the graphics suck. But the newer skins do a much better job with detail I think, so please HTC, retire the old ones to make room for newer, better, more detailed skins. I still hope they add the birdcage canopy '51B and the early 51D without tail fillet. 128 P-51 skins should be just about right!
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Re: "Submit them all" -- we still don't know how many IF any free slots we'll have after all the backlogged P-51 skins are put into the game. Having 1 person submit a flood of skins at the first sign of free slots may just remove any extra space we gained. I think he is being respectful to other skinners and being responsible to get the best choices submitted rather than just sending them all in. Big salute for that, Oboe!
Fencer: It's nice, and I wouldn't say no to it at all, but IMO I would probably still mostly fly "Lou IV" when I want my OD/BMF mixed colors P-51Ds.
Thanks Krusty. I wouldn't be surprised if the current backlog of 51D skins could entirely consume the new slots anyway. The best option I think is for HTC to increase the quality requirements on skins. Turn Fester loose and let the carnage begin. He can be cruel but like Simon Cowell I think he is generally on the mark.
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Here's my bets Oboe
WinPlaceShow- $200,400,800 on Bad Angel
PlaceShow- $400,800 on The Flying Undertaker
Show- $200 on The Grim Reaper <longshot>
Exacta- $100 box on Bad Angel and The Flying Undertaker
$100 Baseball Bad Angel,The Flying Undertaker,Down for Double
Trifecta Bad Angel, Flying Undertaker, Katydid
Fun,
:cheers:
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I am gonna piggy back on this thread to keep it centralized.. Should I finish this one up and submitt it?
Maj. Jack M Ilfrey. Houston, TX. 79th Fighter Squadron. 20th Fighter Group, P-51D 44-13761 MC-I "Happy Jack's Go Buggy".
(http://www.51hangar.net/skins/HJGB.jpg)
Very Nice Fence :aok
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I am gonna piggy back on this thread to keep it centralized.. Should I finish this one up and submitt it?
Maj. Jack M Ilfrey. Houston, TX. 79th Fighter Squadron. 20th Fighter Group, P-51D 44-13761 MC-I "Happy Jack's Go Buggy".
(http://www.51hangar.net/skins/HJGB.jpg)
Do it, hes from Houston!Didnt he also have a 38 one too? and Bad Angel
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1. Grim Reaper
2. Katydid
3. Bad Angel
4. Down For Double
Great work so far Oboe. :aok
BTW, Happy Jack's Go Buggy is one sweet plane. :O
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down for double, daddysgirl and the flying undertaker
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Down for Double.
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StokesAK voted for Down for Double in a preview thread, so I'm adding his vote here as a courtesy.
Down for Double
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I like the cricket :aok
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Katydid.
We need more P51s from the 20th and 55th FGs.
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Well its a horse race with Down for Double grabbing the lead in the backstretch followed by Katydid, with Bad Angel and Flying Undertaker battling for 3rd.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/ponyracebackstretch.jpg)
It appears Chicago's Own has thrown his rider and is now residing on the infield paddock munching grass.
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We need more P51s from the 20th and 55th FGs.
We don't need more of any one unit at all if we already have them. The purpose of all of this I thought was to get a broad spectrum of aircraft included.
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I don't think we currently have a '51 from the 55th FG.
Though I hope Marilyn II was submitted; she had the nice od and bare aluminum sweeping border along the nose to the wing. NrRaven did it a year and a half ago or so. Though as I look back at the promo pics of here I can tell she was utilizing the glossy material txt file rather than one for flat finishes.
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Those are gorgeous to say the least. :aok Glamourous Glen, we definately need an updated 357th skin, please! :pray
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Undertaker, down for double, grim reaper. Really great skins.
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Katydid
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Capt Lowell Brueland's "Grim Reaper" of the 354th FG, 355th FS
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Grim-Reaper-promo.jpg)
Lt Col Gordon Graham's "Down For Double" from the 355th FG, 354th FS
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Down-For-Double-promo.jpg)
Maj William Shomo's "The Flying Undertaker" of the 82nd Tactical Reconnaissance Squadron (PTO)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Flying-Undertaker.jpg)
:aok
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bad angel
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KatyDid and Daddy's Girl
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Katydid
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like them all, really hope some 1 will make and submit gunfighter skin some day though :pray
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KATYDID
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i like the Katydid... knew this girl once.. was her nickname 8)
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bad angel and grim reaper
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Eager El's Katydid... That guy was one crazy pilot...
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Lt Col Elwyn Righetti's "Katydid", 55th FG, 338th FS :aok
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http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery/359g/cs-lpro.jpg
My choice.
Nutz
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C'mon more votes for Glen!
Glamorous Glen needs your vote! :x
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Daddy's girl and Bad Angel :rock
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I like Katydid, and Glamorous Glen III
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Grim Reaper - Daddy's Girl.
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Well they're in the far turn and Katydid has surged ahead of Down for Double. Bad Angel and Flying Undertaker still battling for 3rd, Daddy's Girl and Grim Reaper continue strong. Glamorous Glen III is showing signs of Life, while Chicago's Own has apparently laid down in the infield area behind the tote board.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/ponyracebackstretch-2.jpg)
Polls will close at 10pm CDST tonight! Remember you can vote for multiple aircraft!
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Down For Double :aok
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Flying Undertaker, Bad angel and Down for double in that order.
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The Flying Undertaker.
Nice Job on all of them. :aok
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(http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/survivors/pages/picfiles/44-63807/44-63807_30_cf1.jpg)
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Glamorous Glen, Katydid, Daddys Girl.
C'mon gents, it Yeagers plane.
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And?
Sorry, don't mean to be rude, but.... and?
Yeager may have had a long and valued career, but most of that was post-war. His P-51D in WW2 wasn't very important nor very colorful. It just doesn't stand out in most regards.
So, sure because the name of the guy who flew it... maybe... but by itself? I find it boring.
EDIT: I definitely want to say this is just my opinion and you are free to yours. Not trying to step on toes, just looking at the skin objectively. We already have at least 5 P-51D skins with red nose spinners. Some with red spinner and red rudder as well. It's not very distinctive compared to what we have.
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If I was a betting man I'd have put money on Glamorous Glen, Flying Undertaker and Down for Double to run away with the vote. Yeager is the most famous P-51 pilot (don't take my word for it; Google it), Undertaker is a sharp-looker with those yellow-outlined black stripes, and Down for Double just has that good guy-in-the-white-hat look to her. It's real interesting how the voting has gone.
We're in the home stretch - polls close tonight at 10pm CDST.
Remember you can vote for more than one - I figure I'll submit for sure the top 3, maybe others depending on their showing in the polls; whether its needed for a squad skin, scenario, etc.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/ponyracebackstretch-1.jpg)
Thanks for participating!
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I like Katy Did #1, Grim Reaper #2 and Down for Double #3
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And?
Sorry, don't mean to be rude, but.... and?
Yeager may have had a long and valued career, but most of that was post-war. His P-51D in WW2 wasn't very important nor very colorful. It just doesn't stand out in most regards.
So, sure because the name of the guy who flew it... maybe... but by itself? I find it boring.
EDIT: I definitely want to say this is just my opinion and you are free to yours. Not trying to step on toes, just looking at the skin objectively. We already have at least 5 P-51D skins with red nose spinners. Some with red spinner and red rudder as well. It's not very distinctive compared to what we have.
did you vote?
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The Grim Reaper or the Flying Undertaker are my favorites...they are all great skins. :aok
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Throw them all in.
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Flying Undertaker and Katydid..
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I know I voted for 'Katydid' earlier, but for my other two votes I'd like to see 'Bad Angel' and 'Flying Undertaker'.
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Katydid
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very nice choice of skins for the P51 I got the grim reaper for FSX I really tike that one alot would love to find the others so i can add them too
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Double, grim reaper, and daddy's girl are my favorites.
However, they're all great skins and I appreciate the effort you put into making them, even if they all will never be accepted into the game. :salute
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Thanks for participating everybody. Here are the final results:
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/ponyracebackstretch-3.jpg)
And your winners:
1st PLACE - Lt Col Elwyn Righetti's "Katydid", 55th FG, 338th FS
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Katydid-promo.jpg)
2nd PLACE - Lt Col Gordon Graham's "Down For Double" from the 355th FG, 354th FS
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Down-For-Double-promo.jpg)
3rd PLACE - Maj William Shomo's "The Flying Undertaker" of the 82nd Tactical Reconnaissance Squadron (PTO)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Flying-Undertaker.jpg)
Now comes the toughest part for me - weathering, scratches, glare and shadowing, layer balance adjustments, etc. So back to the skinning cave I go!
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Oboe, scenarios could use a late 354th FG / 9th AF skin like Grim Reaper. Could you please add that one as well.
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Oboe, scenarios could use a late 354th FG / 9th AF skin like Grim Reaper. Could you please add that one as well.
Absolutely! Accurate skins for scenarios really add a lot I think. Consider it done!
Capt Lowell Brueland's "Grim Reaper" of the 354th FG, 355th FS
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-51D-Grim-Reaper-promo.jpg)
By the way, I notice that all of the ETO 51s selected have bare wings - lacking the black theater ID stripes. Can anyone find a picture of any of these planes with the black ID stripes on? During what time frame and by what units were the black theater ID stripes used? I have to think at least one of these birds would have them...
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Speaking of the wings....
They have panel lines. They probably shouldn't. BMF P-51s had the panels sealed plugged and painted over with silver paint. This was done during construction of the wings at the plant and they rolled off the line this way. You would have access panels (gun bays, gear wells) but none of all the rivets and panel lines that you have there...
Surprised nobody else mentioned it before me? :headscratch:
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Speaking of the wings....
Surprised nobody else mentioned it before me? :headscratch:
He knows and is going to take care of it so I didn't point it out.
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Ah, okay... I recall the other recent P-51 skin thread where I mentioned it. I didn't notice where Oboe said he'd fix it for these. :aok
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Ah, okay... I recall the other recent P-51 skin thread where I mentioned it. I didn't notice where Oboe said he'd fix it for these. :aok
These were just quick work-ups to try to decide which scheme I liked best on the metal base. Then I decided I should have community input. Lots of detailing left to do and hope I can get it right!
I wonder though, under combat and hard conditions - would the paint flake or crack along the panel lines, revealing some of the panel structure underneath.
Also I found a pic of Grim Reaper with theater ID stripes on upper wing so I'll add those.
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Oboe, I for one would like to see shots of the wings sealed and unsealed for comparison. I think the sealed wings look kinda boring. Although, I want to see what you can do with it.
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Oboe, I for one would like to see shots of the wings sealed and unsealed for comparison. I think the sealed wings look kinda boring. Although, I want to see what you can do with it.
I agree, its boring. Its almost like you cannot make it look as real in the game if you show a realistic level of detail, but exaggerating details a little bit somehow ends up making it look more authentic. I'll just have to try it and see how it goes; it's all about achieving the best balance of what the game can show versus what we percieve as a realistic or authentic look.
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Did any of these get accepted Oboe?
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They never made it past the work up stage; RL intervened. Though now I can continue on them with spec and bump mapping.
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Grim Reaper for me but i wish to have an all metal colored p51 !
:salute
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Gimme Daddys Girl!!!!! :rock :rock
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Bad Angel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! P.T.O.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Down for double, 4 SHO!
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Down for the Double.
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Put them all in.
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If any of these 4 get added, I'd be quite tempted to fly a P51D.
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KATYDID,KATYDID,KATYDID
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1. Down For Double. 2. Katydid. 3. Glamorous Glen III are my three picks, but they are all great.
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(http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc428/Nutzoid2/cs-lpro.jpg)
My choice. :rock
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,319217.0.html
:aok :airplane:
:P
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Hey ah, I just learned recently that Flying Undertaker's scheme was done for the press and publicity, after Shomo had completed his feats in a different airplane. Having learned that, I don't intend to skin a 'press plane' -- it doesn't seem right.
Also please understand I make no 'claims' against any of these mockups I've done. I don't stake claims against skins; anybody can skin any of these shemes - I wouldn't want to discourage anybody from trying a scheme they are fond of just because I've posted a pic of the start of a skin. My work-travel schedule doesn't permit me much time for skinning these days so progress is very slow, and I'm still experimenting and learning the new bmp and spec maps.
I got sort of a disturbing pm from a player and I'd just like to clarify to everyone that I don't consider myself an owner of any particular scheme. Everything is in the public domain, as far as I'm concerned.
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Picture I found.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/katydid.jpg)
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Yeager's.
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Oboe are you still working on these projects? I still have my original Flying Undertaker files as pictured in those screen shots. All of the layers in adobe photoshop.
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Still working, still have all my files. Here's a not-to-recent picture of "Katydid" with the new bare metal base I've been working on:
(http://i.imgur.com/ZsmS2dc.jpg)
I've made lots of changes since this screenshot was created. Just trying to finish the diffuse map before I begin the spec, power, normal, and environmental maps. It doesn't sound like its possible to get any of these in the game any more though; all the P-51D slots are going to be full and Skuzzy has said he doesn't to replace existing skins with other skins because he gets complaints from players when he removes a skin. I have ported over what I can to a new P-51B base; I think there is an open slot available there for a skin.
I'll probably still finish at least some of the D's, but it sounds like there will be no point to submitting them.
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Looking good!
I'm sure slots will open up one way or another. Keep at them.
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:aok
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1) kattydid (most different colours I've seen on a nose, I like it!)
2) Double Down (I like the paint under the cowling and scoop, it's very different compared to most 51s I've ever seen in that aspect).
3) Grim Reaper (because the name is big and bold and awesome and it also has a cool checkered nose)
All are great but these are my favorites. Amazing work Oboe!
:cheers:
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Daddy's girl
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Thanks!
Buckshot - Daddy's Girl made it into the game, but by a skinner named Ratio, IIRC.
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Down for Double and Katydid.
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Really need a 357th 51D. Glamorous Glen for me.
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Really need a 357th 51D.
Already submitted. Hoping for approval. (Not hijacking your thread, Oboe.)
357FG, 363FS (C.O.'s aircraft), Operation Market Garden. The spec maps were tweaked after this was taken but it gives you an idea.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=385287.0;attach=26962
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As of this minute, all the P51D slots are full.
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Congratulations, Vraciu! It sounds like "Horses Itch" made it in!
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Congratulations, Vraciu! It sounds like "Horses Itch" made it in!
Thanks man!
:x :x :x :banana: :banana: :banana: :cheers:
Due in no small part to a lot of help from everyone here including the bosses!
I've already made improvements to it. Will work on it for the next few weeks to make it better.
:salute
Now get that B in!