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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Vudu15 on August 17, 2011, 05:04:43 PM
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I need some side mirrors or something flying that thing sux now. I cant see the tanks, I cant see the airplanes, just gauges and a ton of armor.
In real life you could move around to get your view, but I dont have time to move my head to the right spot while dodging fighters/ tanks and wirbs.
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Set views?
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yep got em set, have you flown it?
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I have been giving the il2 a shot for some days and it feels great, its hard i can tell you that! but i don't use it for dogfigths and etc, just tank busting.
The difficulty of SA makes it funner IMO
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Oh I love the a/c just the fact that I dont have Track IR so seein outside is nonexistent. which sux cause someones is always watchin.
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I have been giving the il2 a shot for some days and it feels great, its hard i can tell you that! but i don't use it for dogfigths and etc, just tank busting.
The difficulty of SA makes it funner IMO
So much "funner" its lost about 2/3'ds of its K/Ds. Oh wait, thats cause its not as effective and AtA fighter now. :lol
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I do agree with Vu about how horrendous the views are in that darn IL2...even with views set! Would be nice now that the F3 View has been removed to maybe allow the views to be tweaked just a tad so you can have just a bit better SA.
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As a gver I'm glad the thing takes more skill to fly now. F3 mode should be removed in all ac as far as I can tell.
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I need some side mirrors or something flying that thing sux now. I cant see the tanks, I cant see the airplanes, just gauges and a ton of armor.
In real life you could move around to get your view, but I dont have time to move my head to the right spot while dodging fighters/ tanks and wirbs.
You are trying to tell us you do not know how to look out the windows? Are you setting your views? Try it, the Il-2 really does not have that much worse views of anything else save for the view out the back. Then again, the Il-2 has a gunner.
Or..... try the Hurricane IID. It works wonders as well. :aok
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jeez, fly an f6f alteast you get a glimps in an IL-2
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It's not made for air to air combat, you sacrifice visibility for armor.
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You are trying to tell us you do not know how to look out the windows? Are you setting your views? Try it, the Il-2 really does not have that much worse views of anything else save for the view out the back. Then again, the Il-2 has a gunner.
Or..... try the Hurricane IID. It works wonders as well. :aok
look guys I may have been born at night but it wasn't last night, Yes I set the views and whiny players nerfed the IL2 because they were dumb enough to get shot down by one.
I very rarely used it as a fighter because frankly it sucks at that (ill use a Brewster WAY better) but now I do not have time to hop in the gunner pos. do evasives then find a moving ground tgt at about 100ft with whatever terrain is in the area. plus dodge f'in wirbles.
you can see well out of the front and the 3 and 9 0'clock positions you can also see well above you. and that would be fine if attacking a/c were always in front of you. to the six you have almost nothing and like wise with the 5 and 8 oclock views you can see back and down but not up were the bad guys are coming from. and I dont drive gvs but you cats got the commander view so yall can move better and now were goin to limit the views on the IL2 an no I'm not flyin the bofor with wings, rather have a hurri1.
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It's not made for air to air combat, you sacrifice visibility for armor.
yes but in real life you would be able to move your head around, you would also have a tail gunner....
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you can see well out of the front and the 3 and 9 0'clock positions you can also see well above you. and that would be fine if attacking a/c were always in front of . to the six you have almost nothing and like wise with the 5 and 8 oclock views you can see back and down but not up were the bad guys are coming from.well out of the. and that would be fine if attacking a/c were always in front of and I dont drive gvs but you cats got the commander view so yall can move better and now were goin to limit the views on the IL2 an no I'm not flyin the bofor with wings, rather have a hurri1.
yes but in real life you would be able to move your head around, you would also have a tail gunner....
hmm, did i see something about not being able to see your SIX, but you have a TAIL GUNNER you could switch to?. not really sure about that though...
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yes but in real life you would be able to move your head around, you would also have a tail gunner....
set the gunner/pilot view to stick. that's what i have, I dont get killed often. really hate to tell you but mirrors will never be introduced to ah since they were never part of the airplane anyway. il2 is great for practicing SA, if you get killed often, then you should perhaps reconsider upping il2s when there's lots of red planes around, or get better at SA.
semp
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You just dug a bit deeper in your hole. ;)
The Il-2 is a "direct support" attack aircraft. All it was meant to do was combat ground targets. If you are getting shot down by fighters it is not the fault of the aircraft or you, it is the fact that you have no support to protect you. There is a reason the Soviets gave it a rear gunner. :aok
Even with the Il-2 being "nerfed", finding gv's is still easy. The F3 view was a huge luxury and there is nothing to stand on when saying it should have that capability.
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As a gver I'm glad the thing takes more skill to fly now. F3 mode should be removed in all ac as far as I can tell.
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QFT
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set the gunner/pilot view to stick. that's what i have, I dont get killed often. really hate to tell you but mirrors will never be introduced to ah since they were never part of the airplane anyway. il2 is great for practicing SA, if you get killed often, then you should perhaps reconsider upping il2s when there's lots of red planes around, or get better at SA.
semp
well before my SA comes into question ask around to anyone whose ran into me with any number of other a/c when faced with superior numbers, I have my bad days but I make em work for it.
edit: i was joking about the mirrors would make it worse.
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I just saw fester land an 8 kill run in one flight with an IL2. one kill being a fighter. The IL2s fine <S>
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look guys I may have been born at night but it wasn't last night, Yes I set the views and whiny players nerfed the IL2 because they were dumb enough to get shot down by one.
I very rarely used it as a fighter because frankly it sucks at that (ill use a Brewster WAY better) but now I do not have time to hop in the gunner pos. do evasives then find a moving ground tgt at about 100ft with whatever terrain is in the area. plus dodge f'in wirbles.
you can see well out of the front and the 3 and 9 0'clock positions you can also see well above you. and that would be fine if attacking a/c were always in front of you. to the six you have almost nothing and like wise with the 5 and 8 oclock views you can see back and down but not up were the bad guys are coming from. and I dont drive gvs but you cats got the commander view so yall can move better and now were goin to limit the views on the IL2 an no I'm not flyin the bofor with wings, rather have a hurri1.
In AH you can move your head around as good as you can in real life. I would argue better, in fact. The limiting factor is the size and shape of the allowable head-movement box. If you can make a logical case that the range of motion is artificially limited in the Il-2, HTC might fix it.
Some time back I complained about the rear view of the P-39 and got no response. Later I made a better case by specifically pointing out that the range of forward head movement was artificially limited to to the front of the seat pan, when in other planes it seems to go all the way to the dash panel. In the next rev HTC revised the size and shape of the head movement box, and the Rear visibility in the P-39 was greatly improved. :salute
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QFT
What does QFT mean?
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Google search say's "Quoted for truth"
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The real problem is that other aircraft exactly like the IL2, rear gunner/bomb bay, were left with an F3 view. So one has to ask why was the IL2 singled out ? Most of all since its regular views are pretty bad. Im talking what ? The A-20 most of all, the TBM?, The SBD, DC3?, B5N2? B-25H? the 110s, the Stuka?
The only reason I can figure that makes sense is the years of endless colossal whines, "Waaa they keep killing my tanks". And almost all these tanks kilt were ones attacking air bases so that makes the whines even more pitiful. And no doubt the "Im a great tanker cause I camp spawns all the time" crowd had a waaa in it too. Many take it personal when an aircraft kills a spawning tank before they can, while IT IS spawning to attack an air base.
At Vbase battles the IL2 has always been an almost non-player. Its to slow, to far to fly, and you'd just be dead meat to a fighter who has an ounce of skill. To say the IL2 with F3 made it to effective a AtA fighter is laughable. Its like flying a bath tub with wings. It had some use zinging around slinging pumpkins at vulchers but if you get kilt while vulching you dont have the right to whine.
Just glancing at the stats I'd say two patterns have emerged. #1 is that far less are even flying the IL2 now. #2 is that far less are upping them at contested air bases where there is a lot of enemy presence. Thats why P-51D kills in it went from 151 to 31. Everyone knows its now crow bait if theres a lot of red around it.
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well before my SA comes into question ask around to anyone whose ran into me with any number of other a/c when faced with superior numbers, I have my bad days but I make em work for it.
edit: i was joking about the mirrors would make it worse.
I am quoting your own statement. you need to work on your SA. one little piece of advise when you are turning to line up on a tank put your il2 sidewides and use the look up view (adjust it first) then you will have the tank in sight at all times.
I need some side mirrors or something flying that thing sux now. I cant see the tanks, I cant see the airplanes, just gauges and a ton of armor.
In real life you could move around to get your view, but I dont have time to move my head to the right spot while dodging fighters/ tanks and wirbs.
semp
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maybe things were changed but the 110 did not have F3 mode the last time I flew it.
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A simple solution, wish for the IL10. It was rated for low level aircombat along with having two NS-23.
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Crew: 2, pilot and gunner
Length: 11.12 m (36 ft 6 in)
Wingspan: 13.40 m (44 ft)
Height: 4.10 m (13 ft 5 in)
Wing area: 30 m² (322.9)
Empty weight: 4,675 kg (10,305 lb)
Loaded weight: 6,345 kg (14,000 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 6,537 kg (14,410)
Powerplant: 1 × Mikulin AM-42 liquid-cooled V-12, 1,320 Kw (1,770 hp)
Performance
Maximum speed: 550 km/h at 2,700 m; 500 km/h at ground level (340 mph at 8,860 ft / 310 mph g/l)
Range: 800 km (500 mi)
Service ceiling: 4,000 m (13,123 ft)
Wing loading: 211 kg/m² (43.2 lb/ft²)
Armament
2 × 23 mm Nudelman-Suranov NS-23 auto cannons in wings, 150 rounds per gun
1 × 12.7 mm UBST machine gun in the BU-9 rear gunner station, 190 rounds
Up to 600 kg (1,320 lb) of various weapons as described in the text.
Technical descriptionThe airframe featured one engine, two-seat, monoplane, with a metal-covered frame. The plane was highly armoured. The front part of the fuselage, with the cockpit, was a shell of armour plates 4–8 mm thick; the thickest, 8 mm, were under the engine, there was no armour above the engine. The front windshield was made of armour glass 64 mm (2.5 in) thick. Also armoured was: a roof above the pilot, side window frames in the pilot's cab, a wall between crew seats, and a rear wall behind the cab. Total armour weight was 994 kg, including its attachment. The wing consisted of a central section, with two bomb bays, and two detachable outer panels. The undercarriage was retractable. The main wheels folded to the rear after rotating by 86°.
Early Il-10s had two 23 mm VYa-23 autocannons (150 rounds each) and 2 7.62 mm ShKAS machine guns (750 rounds each) fixed in wings, and a 12.7 mm UBT machine gun in a rear gunner station BU-8, with 150 rounds. The horizontal angle of the rear machine gun field of fire was 100°. From 1947, the aircraft were armed with four NS-23 23 mm cannons in the wings (150 rounds each) and 20 mm B-20T cannon in a rear gunner station BU-9 (150 rounds). The IL-10M had four 23 mm NR-23 cannons in wings (150 rounds each) and 20 mm B-20EN cannon in a rear gunner station BU-9M (150 rounds). Avia B-33 had four 23 mm NS-23RM cannons in wings and 20 mm B-20ET cannon in a rear gunner station BU-9M.
The normal bomb load was 400 kg, maximum load was 600 kg. This could be small fragmentation or anti-tank bomblets, put in bomb bays, or four 50–100 kg bombs in bomb bays and externally under wings, or two 200–250 kg bombs attached under wings. Small bomblets were put directly on bomb bay floors, in piles. A typical load was 182 (maximum 200) 2 kg AO-2,5-2 fragmentation bombs, or 144 PTAB-2,5-1,5 anti-tnk HEAT bombs. Apart from bombs, four unguided rockets RS-82 or RS-132 could be carried on rail launchers under wings. Avia B-33s were also fitted to carry other rocket types. Late Soviet aircraft could carry ORO-82 and ORO-132 tube launchers. In the tail section was a DAG-10 launcher with 10 anti-aircraft or anti-personnel grenades AG-2 (after being thrown, they would fall with parachutes and then burst, but were not widely used in practice).
The Il-10 engine was a 12 cylinder inline V engine Mikulin AM-42, liquid cooled, power: 1,770 hp continuous, takeoff power: 2,000 hp. Three-blade propeller AV-5L-24 of 3.6 m diameter. Two fuel tanks in the fuselage: upper 440 l over engine, ahead of the cockpit, and lower tank of 290 l under the cockpit. The aircraft had a radio set and a camera AFA-1M in a rear section of the fuselage.
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The real problem is that other aircraft exactly like the IL2, rear gunner/bomb bay, were left with an F3 view. So one has to ask why was the IL2 singled out ? Most of all since its regular views are pretty bad. Im talking what ? The A-20 most of all, the TBM?, The SBD, DC3?, B5N2? B-25H? the 110s, the Stuka?
vudu at least knows what he's talking about. the 110 does not nor did have f3 mode. the views in the il2 are no worse than the views in the a20 or b25h. everything but dead 6 is easily adjusted.
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well semp you dont actually know how my SA is so lets leave it right there.
let me specify: I make my attacks on tanks between 10-100ft above the ground. so your looking for trees, hedgerows, wirbs, tanks, hills, tryin to line up your shot(without being hit by a main gun round) THEN you have fighters other ground attack a/c and anyone with a pistol tryin to shoot the guy in a plane over a gv fight. and then you have the added bonus of not being able to see where 99.9% of badguys come from, the high six oclock.
I dont know what alt yall shoot from but from mine within 5 secs you've lined up made your pass been shot at and are heading out and away from the tgt.
anyhow semp do you fly the IL2 much I figured you for a BnZ master in a D pony......doubtful on the master.
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don't know what kind of stick you have vudu but...high six with hatswitch + another button combination
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/405468/AH%20Stuff/ahss13.jpg)
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haven't upped il2 much lately, if if you go back several months, I would get at least 100 kills in in the il2. it's my tank buster of choice, as I consider bombing gvs dweebish :D. I also keep my il2 at 2 to 3k and dive to put rounds in the hatch, easier to kill tanks while st the same time gives me room to dive and manouver to avoid fighters.
semp
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:huh Next time you see me in the MA PM me and let me ride on one of these IL2 mass killstraks, i wanna see how in the heck you kill a tank with a weak 37mm.. :headscratch: thats like trying to use an ostie against tanks, really...please? i wanna go!!! :x
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i posted some videos of tank busting with the hurricane, as soon as i learn the il2 ill try to post one too, i got lucky with it a few times but i just can't defent myself against planes, im terrible with the gunner position :D
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:huh Next time you see me in the MA PM me and let me ride on one of these IL2 mass killstraks, i wanna see how in the heck you kill a tank with a weak 37mm.. :headscratch: thats like trying to use an ostie against tanks, really...please? i wanna go!!! :x
I thought i was the only one that posted stupid comments. you do know that in ww2 the il2 was designed to kill tanks, right? that was their basic job.
semp
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:huh Next time you see me in the MA PM me and let me ride on one of these IL2 mass killstraks, i wanna see how in the heck you kill a tank with a weak 37mm.. :headscratch: thats like trying to use an ostie against tanks, really...please? i wanna go!!! :x
(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/igotafro/Tactical_facepalm.jpg)
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I just saw fester land an 8 kill run in one flight with an IL2. one kill being a fighter. The IL2s fine <S>
have 166 kills atm in il2 and many are airplanes :joystick:
removing external view made the il2 a more immersive and fun aircraft as you have to remember and predict where the enemy planes and tanks are half the time when you can not see them.
Il2 is sitting duck to anyone patient enough not to get nailed in an overshoot but fortunately a lot of fighters get so excited to see a low il2. They get confused when the il2 slips and skids a few feet out of their gunfire and then when they overshoot right next to the il2 sometimes the stars align and 37mm makes them contemplate their actions back in the tower.
thin roofed tanks are best for cannons. Panzer and panther with only 16mm blow up nicely in a good semi vertical top turret attack. all M4's and t34s are bastards to kill with all the ricochets.
Tiger1 and tiger 2 with 40mm roof armor... pft forget it dont bother except on tiger 1 hit engine top deck thats about it.
steer clear of flaks if they are looking at you. il2 slow ez target.
rs82/132 rockets are HE use them on light targets. they suck. the real ones sucked too.
drop all 100lb bombs at once they have small blast radius unlike the 1000lb "IhazSkillz" tard bomb.
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have 166 kills atm in il2 and many are airplanes :joystick:
rs82/132 rockets are HE use them on light targets. they suck. the real ones sucked too.
Indeed. The only real viable rocket to use vs tanks is the 190F-8's Pb1 rockets. They are the only rocket in AH that were meant for anti-armor use. The British 3in/60lb rockets have a "SAP" (semi-armor piercing) warhead, but they are a distant second to the German Pb1 rockets. HE rockets may throw a tread, but otherwise they are best used vs OBJ and lightly armored gv's.
The Soviet RS82 and RS132 are HE, as are the US 4.5in and 5in HVAR rockets. FYI: The British 3in/60lb rockets do the most damage to OBJ w/ 180lbs of damage or do.
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The real problem is that other aircraft exactly like the IL2, rear gunner/bomb bay, were left with an F3 view. So one has to ask why was the IL2 singled out ? Most of all since its regular views are pretty bad. Im talking what ? The A-20 most of all, the TBM?, The SBD, DC3?, B5N2? B-25H? the 110s, the Stuka?
The only reason I can figure that makes sense is the years of endless colossal whines, "Waaa they keep killing my tanks". And almost all these tanks kilt were ones attacking air bases so that makes the whines even more pitiful. And no doubt the "Im a great tanker cause I camp spawns all the time" crowd had a waaa in it too. Many take it personal when an aircraft kills a spawning tank before they can, while IT IS spawning to attack an air base.
At Vbase battles the IL2 has always been an almost non-player. Its to slow, to far to fly, and you'd just be dead meat to a fighter who has an ounce of skill. To say the IL2 with F3 made it to effective a AtA fighter is laughable. Its like flying a bath tub with wings. It had some use zinging around slinging pumpkins at vulchers but if you get kilt while vulching you dont have the right to whine.
Just glancing at the stats I'd say two patterns have emerged. #1 is that far less are even flying the IL2 now. #2 is that far less are upping them at contested air bases where there is a lot of enemy presence. Thats why P-51D kills in it went from 151 to 31. Everyone knows its now crow bait if theres a lot of red around it.
F3 was removed, as your stats support, because it was being used as a dogfighting exploit. While tank kills have dropped, by about 50%, air to air kills have dropped precipitously, probably due to unavailability when fighter hangers go down as much as the loss of F3.
It was more the "waaaa waaa" about getting shot down in a plane than getting killed in a tank.
wrongway
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F3 was removed, as your stats support, because it was being used as a dogfighting exploit. While tank kills have dropped, by about 50%, air to air kills have dropped precipitously, probably due to unavailability when fighter hangers go down as much as the loss of F3.
It was more the "waaaa waaa" about getting shot down in a plane than getting killed in a tank.
wrongway
That was the official exuse. But really who, at least anyone with an ounce of fighter skill, really worried about mixing it up with an IL2? Even with F3 ? Look at all the air kills of fighters the A-20 gets http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/pkd.php?type=0&selectTour=LWTour138&pindex=68 . Even more then the IL2 used to. There was only one player who used the IL2 quasi-effectively against other fighters and that was GHI. Even with him, and I know he's a fine stick, you have to be a real boner to get your spit shot down by him.
Unless your vulching or spin fighting near an airstrip. Even then its your own fault for not evading our outrunning the bath tub with wings. When ou own an enemy so completely in verticle/turning/speed/acceleration what possibly reason could you have to get shot down? Even with F3? Heck in an air fight with a fighter I'd much rather be in an A-20. At least you have some verticle and speed, let alone nose MGs. Thats why it posts K/Ds in the 1.31 range.