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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Hangtime on February 18, 2000, 07:26:00 PM
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Again and again; it comes back to haunt us. Who are we; all of us who fly this sim? Are we all arrogant asses??
a passage from shaw's tome..
"Fighter pilots don't think of not comming back. They are invincible, or think they are, and they have to be that way. Down in our hearts we may figure that some accident will get us some day, when we are old and gray, when our beards get in the way of the controls, or we get to where we don't see well or react fast - but we know that no enemy fighter is good enough to shoot us down. If that happens it's just an accident."
"These thoughts are the "chips' we carry on our shoulders, and they have to be there - arrogant, egotistical chips mellowed by flying technique and experience and fortified by the motto, "ATTACK!" Never be on the defensive. Shoot the enemy down before he can shoot you down. You are better than he is, but don't give him a chance. He may get in a lucky shot but you are invincible. Move toward any dot in the sky that remotley resembles an airplane. Move to attack, with switches on and the sight ready. If it's not a ship, or it's a friendly one you'll be ready anyway, and your arrogant luck will last longer."
Col Robert Scott Jr USAAF. 10 kills WWII
Hunh. Yup, I fit that bill. I'm an arrogant ass. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Another perspective, from the movie Independance Day. My respect for Will Smiths acting jumped up 10 notches when he demonstrated the Fighter Pilot Personna perfectly during that ridiculous 'dogfight' (don't TELL me you shot that red toejam at ME!)and in particular after forcing the ailen fighter to auger on the top of the mesa. Cursing; swearing; jumping with rage he pursued that guy to a punch in the chops... the fight NEVER ends for a fighter pilot. Never. The only thing I liked about that movie...
WELCOME TO EARTH! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Now; how do we contain all this rage and arrogance??
Well; you can get a cat. <PUNT!>
Or; you can recognise the rage and arrogance for the tool that it is.. without it; you would lack the necessary 'fire' inside it takes to persevere in a fight. Learn to control it. Use it to drive yourself to victory. And when you WIN or LOSE, remember to turn it off. (along with that damn recorder)
And if the rage is still there after the parts settle to earth; you can punt the cat; or head for the other tool provided graciously by the developer. Take the fight to the P&D arena.
PLEASE KEEP THE MORONIC DEGRADING SLURS AND INSULTS OUTTA THE TEXTBOX! I SUBMIT THAT IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO ANSWER ANY SLUR OR INSULT WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN A CHALLENGE TO FIGHT 'OUTSIDE'. (if you feel so inclined) EITHER IGNORE THEM OR TELL EM TO PUT UP; OR SHUT UP; BUT DO NOT RETURN THE DAMN INSULTS.
<PUNT!>
Thanks for your attention to this small matter.
Hang
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Amen Brother! (Can I get an Amen?)
Anyone who talks trash to another guy in the arena and doesn't accept a challenge is a gutless coward and undeserving of anything but ruthless vulching and stony silence.
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Cman
The Dweebs of Death
"Death before dishonor,
often just moments
before."
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A strange sound from Hangtimes 'puter room (http://www.station4.com/wavefactory/cat.wav)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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hblair
JG77 WB's Historical Arena & Events
The ASSASSINS WB's Main Arena, ACA
Luftwoobies Sturmgruppe Kommando Aces High
(http://heathblair.tripod.com/Spitflame.JPG)
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I have run into MarkVZ several times on this sim. The most enjoyable I think was somehow we ended up in an HO that neither of us could quite avoid. I think I won the kill in the Text Box, and we floated to the ground about 600 yards apart in our chutes.
We then virtually walked up to each other on the ground.
The next night I was in a Pony flying toward an enemy field. I Saw three NME Cons above me, and they started to dive for me. I did the manly thing and played Runstang.
On Channel 1 I see "MarkVZ: Is that all you can do Rook Runstang?"
I replied Hello to Mark, and advised that if he were to send his two friends away I would meet him at Co-Alt and we could discuss it.
He turned back, and I saw on channel one "MarkVZ: Not biting eh Downtown?"
Sometimes a bit of Gab will get the guy in the Mustang to turn back and fight. As it ended up, I dragged one of his friends into ack, and killed the other in a fair low turn fight.
Now, I guess some people are thick of skin like myself, and won't turn back, regardless of what you say about me. Others aren't, and it seems to me that Arrogance in the textbox had gotten some of them to turn back. I generally think that it is the intent of those who badmouth others over channel one. THey can't catch you. How many of you would turn back if I said "I can't catch you, would you be a good enough fellow to turn back, and If it would not be too inconvient, could you fly low and slow, and straight and level for me also."
Just so you know, I have tried that, and no one has bitten yet.
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Lincoln "Downtown" Brown.
lkbrown1@tir.com
http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1 (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1)
Wrecking Crews "Drag and Die Guy"
Hals und beinbruch!
[This message has been edited by Downtown (edited 02-18-2000).]
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LOL Hblair !
<PUNT>
No one insults me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Want to know why ? They shoot ME down all the time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Saw/Saintaw
BISHOP'S FINEST FLYING BRICK
(http://saintaw.tripod.com/190s.gif)
186th Wardogs (Falcon4 Squad)
http://www.wardogs.org/ (http://www.wardogs.org/)
"Firepower Mate, that is what separates the men from the boys..."
[This message has been edited by Saintaw (edited 02-18-2000).]
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The idea is to get shot down alot. So whenever you get shot down it's no big deal. Just another day at the office.
Some people cannot take defeat. I shot down a ME109 that I caught in the top of a loop. He was maneuvering on a lower ME109 (a fellow countryman). One short squirt and BOOM! He gets on CH 100 and gets on me about getting vulched (We were at 7000 feet) and gangbanged (There were two of us)!!
He musta found out I was a member of JG2 and he ragged on me about flying a Spit. Telling me I should only fly LW A/C or quit the squad! So here I am listening to this praddle and LMAO. I did not reply. Both him and I knew he got beat. He wasn't watching and I blew him outa the sky! Peroid!
Some people can't take getting shot down. Somewhere there is always a reason they got shot down besides the obvious one. They got bested!! They got beat and were shot down!!
The best thing for a victor to do when someone is slinging crap at them is to ignore it and fly the sim. That is what you're paying for, right??
A very good pilot (enemy) was over the field I just took off from. I hugged the ack, not wanting to climb a low speed spit up into a P-51 with a clear advantage. So I hugged ack and he stayed above. He finally typed on open channel (I was waiting for it):
"Having fun hugging that ack spit" Hah! Found out who the pilot was! Not good news!
We chated awhile. He never came down into ack and I never climbed into a losing battle. He tried to coax me to engage, even calling me a coward, but momma raise no fools and neither one of us lost our cool.
Some people take this sim too seriously.
Hang!! Stop slappin that cat!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
"My Brother-In-Law used to work for the
telephone company"
Pilot Office Christopher Hart III
Hornet Squadron, France, May 1940
From Novel "A Piece Of Cake"
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[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 02-19-2000).]
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LOL!! Swager "Yah Ack Hugger!" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
That would've been me.
But I do remember that my comments were in jest, and I put alot of :-) and ;-) in my comments on both open channel and in our private chat. To indicate that I was playing and kidding with you.
And call you a coward? Wow .... that doesn't sound like me or a comment I would make, but if I did I heartily apologize. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Basically I was bored waiting for some of your buddies to come along and make it interesting, and was just talking to pass the time.
Shortly after that me and Popeye took on a pair of your La-5's at about 25k, got em both, and then got one or two others on the way home.
Was a fun sortie and didn't mean to offend you.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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On a more serious note, you guys make great points. Getting shot down aint that big a deal.
I look at it like this, If I get shot down, there is one person to blame, and he aint flying the other plane either. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
On another subject altogether,
I feel very, very guilty for that earlier reply in this thread. I am a cat lover and cat abuse is something very serious to me. Here is the sound of my cat being treated the way it really deserves to be treated.
hblair shows his cat how much he loves it (http://www.da-admiral.com/wavs/catbang.wav)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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hblair
JG77 WB's Historical Arena & Events
The ASSASSINS WB's Main Arena, ACA
Luftwoobies Sturmgruppe Kommando Aces High
(http://heathblair.tripod.com/Spitflame.JPG)
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Hey, I like cat too!
Wanna exchange recipies?
Hang (partial to deep fried)
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Just always assume the other guy is smiling when he types something at ya!
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LOL Downtown... we've all done some baiting.. and it's not misinterpeted by any of us.
It is amazing on the other hand just how suddenly tempers can flare. And thats expected too.
Then there's the flamers.. and we all know those... when they get goin you can see the mood change instantly. And they go on; and on and on.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
That's when it's time fer ALL of us to point the way outta the bar and into the parking lot for the two parties involved. "Take that crap outside!" No need ta trash our club with this kinda ruckus. Right? Then the rest of us can get back to teasing the lemmings outta the acks in peace. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang (teachin the cat bowling next week)
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right on hang!
IC
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[Richard Nixon persona on]
"I am not a ack hugger, I've never been a ack hugger."
[Richard Nixon persona off]
Note:
1. I don't hug ack, I cower in it.
2. I never run away, I extend.
3. When I miss a shot it is cuz' my wife is talking to me.
4. Sticks and Stones (sometimes 20mm) will break my bones but, first ya gotta catch me.
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<===THE ASSASSINS===>Webpage (http://members.xoom.com/rowgue/assassins.html)
milnko@warbirds.org
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Downtown,
I remember that fight. I was trying to get you to turn around because I was running on fumes and it was then or never. My engine sputtered to a stop (I think I was in a 109) and I turned back to avoid being killed while ditching. Sometimes a light taunting gets them to turn around. I usually wouldn't do that but I was 5 minutes away from no fuel and wanted to make something of that flight before I went in (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I also remember the time you and me bailed right next to eachother and "fought" it out as grunts. I was in a B17 and you were in a fighter if I recall right, and we took eachother's wings off. I was laughing my head off as we assaulted eachother on the ground (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)That showed me that you had a good sense of humor and were a cool headed and honorable opponent, and I have alot of respect for you. It was a really refreshing thing to see after most kills of others resulted in "HO Dweeb!" or "Nice warp buddy!"
I also recall the time that I bailed over an elevated base after taking the ack down, and started walking to the regen point to wave hello to the rooks taking off. Downtown bailed and started walking towards me, but I got vulched by a landing pony that claimed I was spying. Oh well, it was all in fun (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Salute to the walking pilots!
(http://friendpages.com/pilots/markvz/ahss41_jpg)
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Mark VanZwoll
33rd Strike Group
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Hang,
I believe you may be referring, at least in part, to my last scrape with Tern(e). I had popped him in an HO, and he lit up the common channel with the usual tripe, to which I replied until you and some others stepped between us. Yes, I sometimes let my aggression get the best of me, like when I shot Pongo in his chute thinking he was Camo, after downing what I thought was a returning vulcher who'd shot me repeatedly moments earlier. Pongo's offer to bring his wife and kids along for me to strafe ended my chute-shooting appetite, and hearty apologies followed. But I've only so much patience for certain individuals' slag on the common channel, and I'm quick on the trigger when full of adreneline. However, for your sake, Hang, and out of respect for those of you pilots who continually show restraint and even-handedness in the air, I'll rein in my Italian temper and channel it into SA, where it belongs.
I'd rather be an accurate, than a loose, cannon...
-Heckel,
THUNDERBIRDS
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Heckel; yer a very good stick, so's Terne.. temperment and tradecraft in a fighter pilot are often by-products of "I take no crap from no man" attitdues. I get excited too. None of us are even close to perfect in temperment.. find me an even tempered fighter pilot and I'll kill him real quick. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) We all lose it; it's expected.
And no harm done when you stop short; as you did. Thats the point. Lets all help each other stop short... and let the guns do the barkin dog bit.
Quote:
"I'd rather be an accurate, than a loose, cannon..."
Well SAID; Sir!!. Indeed.
Salute!
Hang (hairball got her frequent flyer miles card today)
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i think he is referin to me tellin torque what a low down no good zero skill vulchin yellow dog runnin score hoggin loser he was (yep ill back it up we gonna have a con and ill bring my own bail) this is my opinion and i respect hangs ( if im what he was talkin about ) but bein the hard headed bastard that i am feelin no remorse. but i like hang so my appologys to you for and discomfort i have caused , but im still gonna whup torqs bellybutton
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"I like a man who grins when he fights"
Winston Churchill
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LOL TOWD.. yah never fail ta get me laughin in the end. And yer "IN YOUR FACE" style of fighting aways provides a great fight. And I know yer grinnin from ear to ugly ear right now too. Yah bum. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As fer Torque.. every time he's up I 'wingman' him.. that guy knows how to find a fight. And he also puts the fight 'right in yer face'. It often pains me to hear the unflattering stuff said about the guy's relentless pursuit of kills. Fact is; after a few hundred sorties with him in close proximity I've never seen him screw a fellow bish.. he always comes to help when a bish is pinned; spends his fair share of time flyin the impossible goon missions; he fights hard as hell and almost always stays and fights till he's outta gas. All those "You bastid.. yah ditched when I was almost on yah" gripes are him just flat outta gas.. who wants to be executed on the glide when you can get out with a clean ditch?
Like most of us.. he's just flyin the sim flat out. And he's good. When yah finally meet him; I'll buy yah both a beer. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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Hey Verm! I knew you were just kidding so no apology required!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) And I did see the (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I didn't want to mention your name in the post in case someone took it wrong. Didn't want to take a chance of so-called "soiling" your name, because you are a joy to fight with and against.
I also know you would of thought I was crazy if I did climb up after you. Talk about suicide. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I may have thought about engaging, but once I found out it was you, forget it! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Your an incredible stick even if you have a disadvantage.
BTW! As I was tooling around at low alt keeping an eye on you, I noticed a dot near the ground and near the mountain range. After you left I went searching for that dot. Turned out to be a C47! Did you know it was there? I figured you may have been there trying to help it get in.
It didn't make it! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
Verm you're a class act and anytime I know you are in the area I get more tense. I think to myself, " toejam, Verm is around somewhere." You raise the level of play.
Remember the first time we engaged back in Beta 1? We went around and around for about 5 minutes at 200 ft in Spitfires? Finally some of my countrymen came in and bailed me out! Another 5 minutes and you might of had me!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
You raidoed wanting to know the ID of the Spit you fought for 5 minutes. I felt pretty good duking it out with you for that long. I was sweating after that one!!
Take Care Verm, and you know there will be another time. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Milnko, I'm writing those 4 down!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Swager adds four more, to his rules of air combat.
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JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
"My Brother-In-Law used to work for the
telephone company"
Pilot Office Christopher Hart III
Hornet Squadron, France, May 1940
From Novel "A Piece Of Cake"
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[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 02-19-2000).]
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hblair! Ya kill me man!!
The cat audios were so funny!
My cat will lay under the computer table while I'm flying and if I move the rudder pedals too much she'll attack my feet! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I swear she is a spy for the Rooks and the Bishops!
I scream, "Stop it ya stupid cat. I got BaneX on my bellybutton and you're clawing into my feet!"
Such a troubled life I lead!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
TOWD is gona whoop torque butt, and hangtime is torque's wingman. So that means the three of you will be busy with each other, and leave me normal citizens alone. That is so (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif).
I can see me typing now, "Hey TOWD, I seen Torque over F19 and he was lookin for ya."
Then I go the other way!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
"My Brother-In-Law used to work for the
telephone company"
Pilot Office Christopher Hart III
Hornet Squadron, France, May 1940
From Novel "A Piece Of Cake"
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Ah.... great is it because I never answer your dweeby foul mouth rants about me on channel 100 TOWD.Well I see it's progressed to uttering threats now if I’m not mistake in Canada that's a criminal offense.
Dunno about U.S. though, time to email your little remarks to HTC
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OK, here's my comment on this subject :
Yes, I sometimes get very pissed when someone shoots me down. The last one was 2 days ago, when I fought higher Niki in 109G-10 and got waxed in HO. Who forced me to fight against the odds ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Or when 190 surprised me while I was doing rope-a-dope on Macchi ?
Even if I vent out on open channel, I still know it is my own fault again, whatever the reason might be (poor SA, overconfidence, no concentration, taking off from CAPed field, or poor flying in general).
However, dweeby flying deserves to be called that way. Taking off just to circle in ack really serves no purpose. Can someone explain why so many do it ?
As for meeting Torque in the arena, hmmm, I'd say he flies his plane to its advantage and knows how to fight in it. Force him low to the deck, watch not to get in front of him, not even at d15, wait until he bleeds off his speed and that's it.
P.S.
JG pilots in Spits ? Hmmmm.
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enemy=Hristo...
If I saw Hristo circling my field in a 109 when I took off, be god-damned if I wouldn't just turn around and land. What's the use of circling the ack waiting for him to run out of fuel?
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If your in range, so is the enemy.
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I cannot count the number of times I have alt on torque, no matter what I am flying. I get above him, and just as I am at the top of the roll, to dive down on his six. The nose of his F4U comes up and removes the rear half from the front half of my aircraft.
Nigh on impossible, bad percentage shots!
Why does he always take those weak snapshots, why do they alway hit my aircraft.
Where is Leonard Nimoy when you need him for "Insearch of the Lethal Low Percentage Snap Shot."
It exist I tell you, its not a myth, I now believe in the Yeti, Space Aliens, Black Helicopters, Honest Politicians, Etc.. Etc..
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Lincoln "Downtown" Brown.
lkbrown1@tir.com
http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1 (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1)
Wrecking Crews "Drag and Die Guy"
Hals und beinbruch!
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Not all of us are top notch aces. We try to survive the best way we can. If flying in our own ack to keep away a hot pilot with a alt advantage is dweebish, then so be it. I fly dweebishly. I never claimed to be anything other. And I also never claimed that such an act of a sim pilot, who doesn't know massive air combat tactics or maneuvers, to be dweebish. Mainly it is survival, survival in a hostile sky.
This sim is about fun. I found it fun to chat with Verm, hugging ack, and keeping an eye on a possible C-47. We all have our different ideas of having fun in this simulation. Some are vastly different than others, but my belief is that none of them are dweebish. Just something that keeps us coming back day after day.
I am so sorry if my way, or my ideas of having fun in this sim offends anyone. Ways and ideas such as flying around in my own ack or flying the aircraft I want to. Yes, flying any aircraft I want to, even though I am a member of a LW squadron.
It is too bad some individuals find it easy to question others because it does not agree with their "way" of flying this sim.
Not rattled at all, just a thought!!
Have a Nice Day (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
"My Brother-In-Law used to work for the
telephone company"
Pilot Office Christopher Hart III
Hornet Squadron, France, May 1940
From Novel "A Piece Of Cake"
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I agree Hang,
Im here to fight, and treasure those good ones!
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LOL Downtown.. seen him pull up into the guns of a diving bouncer many a time. He ALWAYS points his weapons at a threat! Remember.. he's got a very stable platform with an exceptional rate of fire. You are highlighted and easy to pick out against the sky.. he's occluded against the ground.
Easy to misread his E in this circunstance; and very hard to get a substantial shot because your angle to him as he pulls up into you for a guns solution is shorting rapidly while you unload in negative G, and his angle to you remains near constant. He'll open fire first; and have a solution longer.. not a good deal. Even if he misses.. you go by on your dive and he's above you now.. another bad deal.
If ya see the nose start to come up while you are on the bounce and you are beyond your gun/cannon range; PULL OFF! If yah don't, he's gonna deliver 'old facefull' for sure, and failing that you'll still have HIM in that damn big blue beast above and behind you. Scares the hell outta me just thinkin about it... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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Let me explain it a bit:
I am not talking about situation where you take off and see higher enemy or even few of them. Of course running back to ack is a wise thing there.
But I have seen situation where people see vulchers cruising above the field and waiting for a buff to kick out acks. Being among that vulch crowd, I have seen so many times planes take off but never leave ack envelope, trying to lure planes in ack and get a cheap kill. Even cheaper that vulch kill, at least vulchers fire a shot.
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The great fights/pilots are what bring me the most enjoyment from the sim. Hangtime is a class act in the air and a very good stick,hell even though he`s killed me many times more than I`ve killed him (8-2,yep I`m counting em ya bastage (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)) I still keep looking for a fight with him.Call it being hard headed or what you will-it`s the thrill of combat with a worthy foe that makes or breaks a sim like this-at least for me. If it wasn`t for the great friends/fights I have in the arena I`d just blow the dust off of EAW and fly for free.Nothing compares to the thrill of killing a great pilot or even being shot down by one after a good fight. Look deep-IT`S MORE THAN A GAME! But thats another post altogether,<S> to all my virtual comrades and my enemies you guys make it real!
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(http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/images/victory.gif)
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
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