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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Vermillion on May 19, 2000, 07:57:00 AM
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Ok its Friday and I'm feeling mischevious (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
*lights the bonfire and hauls the grill out*
With all the talk of the "Plane Perk System", I have seen many comments about pilots being "Scorepotatos".
The biggest problem is that a few people seem to use it interchangeable with what some people think of as flying smart.
To me, a "Scorepotato" was always someone who frequently pointed to their score as a measure of their ability (and manhood), and who whined constantly about features regarding score.
But I keep seeing the term used in reference to pilots who "dont' engage to help their countrymen (usually because that countrymen stupidly got himself in deep kimchee)", "P51 Runstang drivers", and other things like that.
So what is flying smart and what is being a scorepotato? Tell me your definition.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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scorepotato=dweeb fighter who thinks they must only fight airplanes to get a good score and refuses to straff ground targets because it would hurt their a2a gun hit %
I guess I'm a scorepotato cuz I whined for a best streak and current streak ratio and...
Icons and airplane performance and anything else I ever squeaked about.
but my definition of a scorepotato is someone who flies in a way that only makes pretty numbers, ie: refuses to straff ground targets cuz it will make their pretty gun hit% drop down to 7%, flies at 35k in a 109g10 and runs away so they never die any time trouble gets near.
but being a scoremonger is not a bad thing, it is just a style of playing that benefits no one but the player and usually never benefits the players country.
[This message has been edited by Citabria (edited 05-19-2000).]
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Simply put, someone whose only goal is to make big numbers on the scoring page.
For instance in WB, it was discovered you could bomb the UN and get a lot of points. So some bomber pilots would bomb the UN endlessly. Due to the location of the UN on the AWT map, this was almost always a milk run. No enemy opposition, and a target of zero strategic importance.
They didn't play to help their country, squadron, or even to have fun on their missions. The fun for them was only to make a big number on the score page. And they did this to the detriment of all other goals.
That's a Scorepotato.
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Flying smart means trying to use ACM instead of using your head like a battering ram.
Score potatos argue minutae of fractions of points, or relentlessly wail about multipliers.
Flying smart means you bring a wingman, and use him/her.
Score potatos fly high and alone, and run from anything but a blindside hit.
Flying smart means not pressing every fight to the death, because landing takes too damn much time.
Score potatos cry ceaselessly about how the person ranked above them shouldn't be there, and rationalize why they should be ranked higher.
I'm sure I could think of more, but my students just walked in... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Just my opinions, of course! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Define smart LOL!
Some people (smart people) think it's a waste of time to land. What possible benefit can come from landing? If you don't enjoy it, why do it?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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smart flying:
flying the way you find most enjoyable.
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Scorepotato
Someone who wants changes made to the game or scoreing system with the only real rationalization being it would positivly effect their score, because they allready fly that way.
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As Mrs. Badger asked me the other day, "What's you score on that thing?".
I said I think I'm ranked about number 500.
She said, "Oh..you're not very good at it, are you?".
Hmmmm...I thought about that and kept my mouth shut, because if I said anything in response I'm sure I wouldn't be scoring anywhere else either. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I don't play for score, but rather I play for an HA type realism enjoyment, or as close as I can get to it. The nightly SEA events (no icons) have been really enjoyable. Thanks udie, kieren and the rest of the CM's who have arranged these.
Since I don't frequent the MA anymore, I think my ranking will probably go even lower, but I am much more relaxed and happier not listening to General Balllismo's leadership or drowning in the quake birding chaos. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) hehe...now that should draw some flames, but even I have a right to be highly vocal and subjectively selfish too.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Regards,
Badger
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what's a score? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Scorepotatos: What Jacksonville Jaguars did to the Dolphins in last years' play-off's...62-3 I believe was the final.
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Scorepotatos are people who game the game so to speak. They will not try to defend a field under attack, either from that field or a nearby field, they will not help a countryman out, they look for lone, low targets pretty much exclusively, they are universaly lone wolves and are usally the noisiest, most vulgar players when something happens that adversely affects their score because thay take the whole thing WAY to seriously.
Sisu
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A score-potato is someone who see's a countryman in difficulty and flies on ignoring his problems incase it ruins their score.
Just to re-iterate Funked's point on the WB bomber bug here's my little boring tale. A few years back I had just formed a squad in Warbirds and decided it would be good PR to get high up on the bomber score chart, it never really bothered me much before but thought that I was a good bomber and it was within my capability. As the new RPS started I phyched myself up for the task and got off to a roaring start, spent quite a bit of time online and took a clear lead in the first week with only one well known Brazilian bomber to compete with me, as the 2nd week drew in I watched and checked his scores and was alarmed at how seemingly easy he was catching me (I was unaware of the UN bug at this time) he caught me up on the score chart and overtook me twice, and twice I worked my butt off to catch and pass his score again wondering how the hell he was doing it, then one night he must have hit the UN about 5 times getting around 3000-4000 points each trip where as I flying to the big scoring cities could manage arounf 2500 on a good mission.
That night I spat my dummy out, realising how he was scoring so well decided to boycott the rest of the RPS, I never shouted about him in public but seethed as for the next few RPs's he was grandly named top bomber and bragged about it on his squads homepage. After that I decided never to bother with score, even when rank's were introduced it never bothered me to get higher ranks as the system only rewarded those who could afford huge Warbirds bills and had lots of time to spend online, for a few months later I was so disenchanted I hardly spent a dime on Warbirds and thats why overall points score will never bother me in any game so long as I can check my kills/death ratio and its good then I know I'm flying well, but that does'nt stop me diving into a furball hopelessly outnumbered in an attempt to try and help out a squad mate or even a guy I might not even know or ever spoken to online, there's something more worthy in knowing you've helped save a fellow countrymans bellybutton that score alone will never emulate for me.
[This message has been edited by Revvin (edited 05-19-2000).]
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Originally posted by Citabria:
smart flying:
flying the way you find most enjoyable.
Bingo, we have a winner! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
-- Todd/DMF
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Funny thing is that a score-potato in AH has to continiousely fly BUFFS and GOONS to make it to the TOP ..
DW6 ranking -> 300++
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Actually you don't Duck, you just have to do a little skillful bomber flying.
10 Sorties without getting shot down, will get you alot more than 40 sorties where you die regularly. Again, like fighters, living helps alot more than flying alot of sorties.
See whats interesting is that I agree with what everyone has said in this thread.
But it concerns me that some people that havent' responded (to this thread, but state it in others) see flying a conservative BnZ style as being a scorepotato.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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I'm not sleeping with you, no matter how many points you have. I'm not that kind of potato.
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Fatty
Fat Drunk Bastards (http://fdb.50megs.com)
"I ain't givin none of you bastards a hug who ain't bought me at least 6 beers."
[This message has been edited by Fatty (edited 05-19-2000).]
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Scorepotatos are people who join squads. They cant make it on there own, so they join a gang.
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Originally posted by easymo:
Scorepotatos are people who join squads. They cant make it on there own, so they join a gang.
As always, easymo cuts right to the heart of things and exposes the truth.
-- Todd/DMF
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If I knew how a particular action I took affected my score, I'd probably be a scorepotato.
For now I just fly and have fun.
Fury
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Scorepotatos are people who always fly the "plane de jour". By that I mean whichever plane has the biggest advantages be it guns,speed,or a combination of traits.
Usually they do this to inflate their egos and puff out their pigeon breasts while making the claim it`s "skill". Does this mean these players are wrong by getting satisfaction from this?
Not in my opinion,
do whatever blows your skirt up-just don`t expect everyone to idolize you for it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Vermillion,
(Ao2, pops a top of a can and passes it on around the circle as he addes some jp-5 to the fire, for effect and pops another for himself.) A scorepotato is probabley...uhh not going to last too long in this enviorment. The naked truth can be given at anytime. Scorin' Yup, I look at it but it's just to size up me against the mass. I've had bad scores at times and great times online with my quadies. Heck, it's not real until the rivets start poppin and the deaths are for ever. I've wanted this for 30 years. I'm gona have fun with it! IF YALL LET US! Okay so I just dated my stick...I was 9 in 1970! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) flew some not so safe shower currant planes and a sensna 310's too, @ 200mh about 5' off of the runway made me the bad one around then...uoh back then.....now I'm big time slow (I've neveer been in the sst or close too the space program or even space.(cept, for the offline bug) I liked that for about 4 flights.
Don't forget that every Dog gets his day!
AO2
THUNDERBIRDS
[This message has been edited by Luckyone (edited 05-19-2000).]
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easymo said: Scorepotatos are people who join squads. They cant make it on there own, so they join a gang.
The pukin' dawgs were pretty good at this easymo. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
By the way, have you heard from crow- lately?
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No he quit when that mess happened. I never heard from him again.
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This definition comes down to cause and effect. A "normal" person's score is the result of flying. While a scorepotato's flying is determined by score. I know. I've done both. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Whats all this talk about potatos in AH ? I haven't seen any, what are they at the officers club or something, becuase I still cant find it . So obviously we need more potatos in AH. And I'm not talking about those second rate curb scank work for food stamps potatos either . Can never have to many potatos around .
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Interesting question, and no real pat answer for it...but I'll add my two cents...since you posted verm I'll use our last encounter...I had a blast in that 1 on 2...maybe I could of run...but why...did I have wing no...guess i'm not smart enough (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)...now to me that was a nice fight..had multiple merges at alt...nice middle game going down..and 2 remerges with spit low...in the end I took what i thought was a reasonable risk and got beat on a nice shot...but if i'd managed it just a wee bit better I'd of had the spit and now i'm one on one with a pony low and "semi-slow"...day before rolled into 3 38's (one was dinged) let him go (crippled to hit wing...and 3rd came in to nail me...gave his 6 to nother kniggit to save his wing (died for it to)...anyway to many here that avoid the good fight...abandon there cohorts and look for the odds...doesnt sound like fun in my book (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
To get that shot verm you had to come down in the dirt with me and Icer...I've seen a lot of times where the pony wingie stays high till the T&B is "decided" and either bounces me when the wingie is smoked friqizie..or if the other guy wins the merge(s)...zooms in for the shot on my break and in effect steals a kill he didnt work for...both you guys stayed engaged and took some measure of risk...obviously Icer was in the "lead" role based on my choice of plane/tactics...he made a mistake (one i'm sure is only FM related since he's a hell of a stick) and if you were "suzie safepony" he'd of payed for it (least i'm 90% certain)..or if you'd missed the frigging shot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)...damm 1 pass pony drivers piss me off to no end (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)...I'd of been fine. I never mind "smart" flying...I just hate all the weenies we've attracted (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by humble (edited 05-20-2000).]
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Was a great little fight. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I made a few tentative passes at you before Icer showed up in his Spit, but you never let me have the easy shot. So I decided to just pin you down and wait for him to showup to help.
To me the N1K2 is an extremely dangerous opponent for a Pony, so I always make sure that I keep up my speed and never ever let that evil green nose get pointed at me without alot of speed and seperation between us (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) [IMO a Niki is twice as dangerous as a F4U-1C]
So then I let you and Icer go at it, while I went into cover mode, taking what shots I could get, and trying to get your attention whenever it seemed that you were getting angles on him. Very fun fight.
Then we got down on the deck and I got a pretty good firing pass on you, but missed cause I was just a little too hot. And instead of keeping my seperation or using a hi yo yo (which is what I was doing earlier in the fight), I immediately pulled straight into the vertical and over the top, which gave me a quick followup shot (for a Pony at least). It seemed like you didnt expect me to be back into the fight that soon, and you were lining up on Icer, when you saw me.
I thought I had you cold, and you *still* almost evaded me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) You pulled that Niki around tight and I lined up for the raking deflection shot from nose to tail, and all my hits were right on your tail. If you had seen me a half second earlier I would have missed that shot as well. Quite impressive flying. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And Icer... do you realize that he is still in his first week of his free trial period? He is a very good stick over in AW, and has picked up the FM here so fast its scary.
We were doing some 1 v 1 work in the TA in Spits, and I got him the first couple of times, and then he started killing me off regularly.
Now if I can just convince him that $30/month is worth it, and to stick around after his two weeks.
Anyways Humble, very nice fight <S!>. It was great fun (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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Icer was one of my measuring sticks back in AW...he was always a step or two ahead of me then...and I'm sure he'll be right back in front in a couple more weeks here...he's always been a great T&B/E fighter.
Your recap exemplifies what I'm trying to articulate...all in all it was a well flown encounter on all sides, it intensified in a logical progression since all three of us had the same goal...wax the other guy(s)...as the fight progressed options used eliminated unused choices...till we reached the "final act" in our little encounter...a week from now i'm probably stalemated with Icer there..and we'd of gone another act...as it was I pushed my edge he countered it well...and you cashed in your chips to protect your wing...a great fight...a well deserved kill...and most of all...a hell of a lot of fun for all involved.I just wish i could find more than 1 or 2 of those a day. Back near the end of AW on AOL I'd have 15 of those a day. Maybe one day (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by humble (edited 05-21-2000).]
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Raxx stands up and walks to the small podium at the front of the room. Blinking because of the harsh light focused on the stand he coughs and shuffles nervously.
"err My name is err Raxx", he stutters "and I've been a score potato since day one. Well actually since ver .26 and there weren't even scores then!"
Actually it's just the way I've always flown, (I even flew conservatively in Warbirds and ranked top 50-60 in buffs there). I'm not particularly good as a fighter pilot, (26 sorties in just over 5 hours for one landing this tour). I'm not the worst bomber pilot that ever flew, (16 sorties and 10 landings for about 4 hours flying), and I've only captured 3 bases this tour. Yet for some bizzare reason I still get pegged in the top 50 each tour on overall ranking.
I'm a lone wolf who hunts other lone wolves which are usually bombers, (or I'm in a bomber defending againt lone wolves). This tour is harder than usual because I'm learning to fly the LA5, (I dunno if the LA-5 is the plane du jour, but if that makes me a score potato then so be it). I usually stay out of other peoples fights, but will clear one of my countrymen if he's in trouble or I'm in a faster plane and can chase down the con sooner. I do "milk run" bomber missions because buffs always get killed where there is a lot of fighter activity and it's stupid to draw attention to yourself. However I also fly the C47 into defended fields and several times in the last 3 tours managed to snatch a field only because the con rolled and banked left instead of right and didn't see me.
I'm not good at any one thing, but I do a bit of everything. If that jacks up my score then paint me scarlet and haul me in front of the magistrate. If the way I fly causes offence then I can only offer two suggestions.
Fly higher and smarter.
Spotcha in the Air
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Textbook example of a scorepotato(names omitted to avoid flamewar) I was taking on a N1k a few nights ago, He was good, a real good stick, with determination(and a lot of luck) I managed to get him down on the deck low E,no speed, Lining up for my kill shot (I really suck at gunnery so take shots with care) a fellow country dives in from a coupla of grand above, blasts the N1K, and pulls back up, while I sit watching parts fall off my plane, cuz the lowlife flew into my bulletstream(btw killshooter bites in this instance) I did not need help, I did not want help, it was clear the N1K was dogmeat, so the only excuse is... HE DOVE IN TO STEAL A KILL! to pad his friggin exalted holier than thou score, crap It's hard ta believe that some of the clowns flying here are the end product of 30 million years of evolution. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"