Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sonicblu on August 28, 2011, 11:03:15 PM
-
Ok so I bought a Fender strat HHS, the mexico made one.. Really liked it, but the guy at guitar center pissed off the wife when she went to exchange it for me for a new one in the box.
So I no longer have a guitar because she told him to take it and shove it were the sun don't shine. ( Don't smart your mouth to customer let alone my wife )
Anyway I have picked up and played a few others since then and for the price $499.00 It seems to be a decent guitar. ( I am a beginner guitar player, this i first electric, I have a taylor 310c.)
I picked up a Dean guitar in the $800.00 range made in china, and really liked it, Then I found a dean usa 74 $1300.00. ( I really really like it, but don't know anything about dean guitars )
Any thoughts? I would consider myself a beginner but definitely want a guitar that I can play for years, into the intermediate guitar player range.
As far as music style ( jerry C canon in d rock, and Cliffs of Dover, is were I want to get to and anything in between from gospel to country.)
Oh played the Gibson melody maker and did not like it as well, Esp Ltd don't remember the model $800.00 felt real nice when I played it but knew nothing about so was afraid to drop the do ra me on it. If the sales guy would have said yes buy this one for these reasons I would have bought it.
Any help is appreciated.
-
Heya Sonic. I've had GREAT luck with LTD guitars. In that price range, I'd go with the M-300. I've got one, along with a KH-602 and love em both. The M-300 feels like a much more expensive guitar and is flexible enough for many different styles of play.
This is the one I that I have. I doubt I'll ever part with it.
http://www.amazon.com/ESP-M-300FM-Electric-Guitar-See-Thru/dp/B0045YBY6G (http://www.amazon.com/ESP-M-300FM-Electric-Guitar-See-Thru/dp/B0045YBY6G)
-
Dean's are good guitars IMO. Ric Ocasek used them throughout most of The Cars recordings. Michael Schenker has used them since around 1995ish and if I am not mistaken Dave Mustaine uses them now. Dean is a bonifide luthier IMO.
For $1300 a "vintage Dean" isn't bad, but it depends on what you're going after. For that you could get a Vintage Fender/Gibson/Epiphone (they really aren't that bad)/Music Man, etc.
These guys are sometimes pricey, but they are known Worldwide for their Shop: http://elderly.com/vintage/cats/30U.htm (http://elderly.com/vintage/cats/30U.htm)
-
Yeah Mash, Mustaine uses them now. I was surprised that his sig model is a string thru though (still a wicked lookin V). Dean's "Dime" series guitars are great as well.
-
Not sure really what help you are looking for. Sounds like you have it well enough figured out.
Anyhoo: Guitars are like women. You are better off getting your hands on many different kinds before settling in on the top half dozen or so.
In my experience pick up, hold, play, as many as you can and when one feels good , especially good, go for it.
PS The Fenders made in Mexico are very decent guitars these days.
-
Thanks for the help....
AA..that just what I'm looking for in a classic stat style. I'm low key don't like flying v's skulls or hard rock look.
Mash I will be up all night thinking of how to justify that blue hard tail to the wife. Thanks for the link that is the best looking dean I've found in that price range.
Does dean USA mean it's made in U.S.? Are there any advantages to the upgrade of buying U.S. Made. I know I won't spend more than $1500.00 first electric, but don't mind if I am getting value.
Yeager lol the more I touch the more expensive I like...
-
I played a black Les Paul Standard the other day. I almost cried when I saw the price. :cry :cry
-
Charvel and G&L make some decent starter strats.
Find something that has a comfortable feel on the neck. Everything else can be tweaked/replaced by a decent luthier or guitar tech.
-
For starter guitars, don't discount Yamaha or Washburn either. As Yeager said, play as many as you can, get a feel for them. When you pick up a good one, you'll know.
Charvel, G&L, Dean are all good guitars, but like the rest of the makers, you have to try as many as you can, to avoid picking up the random dog that's out there.
Bear in mind you'll need a lead, amp, pedals etc eventually (amp most important, even a good guitar can sound bad with a useless amp).
If your staying playing inside initially, amp wise I'd recommend a roland micro cube - useless for gigging, but loud enough for practise use, sounds good and has some useful effects built in.
hope the above helps,
Wurzel
-
I recently purchased a Silverstone Citation ( Strat copy ) for my X-Wife's boy, and liked it so much I went and ordered one for myself...
comparing it to an old MIM Fender Tobaccoo Sunburst FatCat HSS that I used to own, it has better quality, better action, intonation was perfect and it only cost $129.99 at Newegg ( and later at American Musical Supply who I got to price match NewEgg's price )
the price included a practice amp, extra set of strings, crappy gig bag, strap, picks, tuner, chord chart
I love it just as much as I love my Telecaster......... not quite as good as my American Standard Strat White Fender ........
go to newegg or AMS and type Silvertone Citation in the search area or can google it also....... I was amazed at how well made this cheap setup was......
I am now back to 10 guitars and am guitar poor once more
TC
-
If you got the money, I would recomend a used Gibson Les Paul double cutaway Studio model.
The sound is awesome and VERY versitile, they're light yet rugged and can be had for around $700.00
I've had Fenders (american) Jacksons, a Travis Bean, Yamaha, Charvel etc etc, and my favorite has been and still is my Les Paul DC studio by a long shot. Plug this thing into a Marshall and it will do about anything you ask of it. With zero pedals.
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/electric_guitars/gibson/les_paul_dc_studio/index.html
PS. Les Pauls are notorius for holding their value and their value will increase ALOT over time.
-
If you got the money, I would recomend a used Gibson Les Paul double cutaway Studio model.
The sound is awesome and VERY versitile, they're light yet rugged and can be had for around $700.00
I've had Fenders (american) Jacksons, a Travis Bean, Yamaha, Charvel etc etc, and my favorite has been and still is my Les Paul DC studio by a long shot. Plug this thing into a Marshall and it will do about anything you ask of it. With zero pedals.
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/electric_guitars/gibson/les_paul_dc_studio/index.html
PS. Les Pauls are notorius for holding their value and their value will increase ALOT over time.
... and notorious for weighing as much as a compact car :D
-
... and notorious for weighing as much as a compact car :D
So true.
But NOT the DC studio. Thats one of the many reasons its my main rig.
Chambered mahogany body.
-
So true.
But NOT the DC studio. Thats one of the many reasons its my main rig.
Chambered mahogany body.
Oooo, nice! :rock
-
Dean's are good guitars IMO. Ric Ocasek used them throughout most of The Cars recordings. Michael Schenker has used them since around 1995ish and if I am not mistaken Dave Mustaine uses them now. Dean is a bonifide luthier IMO.
For $1300 a "vintage Dean" isn't bad, but it depends on what you're going after. For that you could get a Vintage Fender/Gibson/Epiphone (they really aren't that bad)/Music Man, etc.
These guys are sometimes pricey, but they are known Worldwide for their Shop: http://elderly.com/vintage/cats/30U.htm (http://elderly.com/vintage/cats/30U.htm)
Back when I lived down state we would make a monthly (or so) pilgrimage to Elderly. I love that place...
-
Thanks guys for all the help.
So far Dean usa 74 is in top spot. If I can justify the price to wife. I did find a hardtail on line for little over $1200.( list is $2200 they say but its old stock new ) It is a possibility also.
Then its between the LTD M 300 is in first position. Did some research on the ESP LTD brand and most seems positive.
and the Fender strat
I am going to a large guitar shop in phoenix on tuesday so it might change as I plan to plug every guitar on the wall into an amp. :banana:
A Gibson les paul or melody maker is on the bucket list for second or third guitar. ( wife said if I learn to Play Canon in D I can buy what I want. :banana: )
To be fair I have picked up a Gibson and just didnt feel right. Don't know how to really explain it, but have brother inlaw who has one and he also suggested it, or the Fender Strat.
I will do some research on the other guitars mentioned.
Anyone know of guitar shops in the Sandiego area? I will be there end of week.
I just have to get it out of my head of getting a Usa made guitar for around $800.00.
I almost had my mind made up to get a fretlight guitar but is seems cheesy and I have to learn the notes/scales at some point anyway.
-
Nobody asked you the most important question so I will.
Do you want tremolo functionality?
-
I've been playing for a few years, but definately just as a hobby... never gonna be great at guitar.
I recently picked up an Epiphone (Gibson's one-off brand). I got the Epiphone Les Paul Custom w/ mother of pearl and silverburst for $499.00, though it was on sale from $800.00. Still, the thing is absolutely wonderful. The action is low and precise, and it sounds good playing anything from Johnny Cash to Slayer, so it's definately versitile.
As somewhat of a cheapwad, and mostly a beginer, that would probably be my best advice... Go for one of the One-off brands out there and get a decent guitar but cheep. In many instances, you'll get the same guts and workmanship, it was branded due to a cosmetic flaw.
By the way, the Feds shut down Gibson's USA production over suspected illegal harvesting practices for their hardwoods...
-
Thanks guys for all the help.
So far Dean usa 74 is in top spot. If I can justify the price to wife. I did find a hardtail on line for little over $1200.( list is $2200 they say but its old stock new ) It is a possibility also.
I just have to get it out of my head of getting a Usa made guitar for around $800.00.
Not much more and it is American Made: http://elderly.com/vintage/names/fender-and-reg%3b-stratocaster-and-reg%3b-%281994%29--30U-16493.htm (http://elderly.com/vintage/names/fender-and-reg%3b-stratocaster-and-reg%3b-%281994%29--30U-16493.htm)
-
As a beginner get something that is comfortable in your hands, and simple to use. Something like a telecaster had completely different knob and switch placement than a Strat. "Most" guitars are either of the Strat or Les Paul styling in their layout. If you get used to and familiar with a more common style you can usually pick up most any guitar.
I will admit I have difficulty playing most Gibson guitars. I have gotten SO used to the feel of the middle pickup under my strings on my Strat I get all disorientated on a Gibson. Also the feel of the bridge under my pick had is completely different.
Action (the height of the strings) is important. That is something I didn't know about when I learned, and played years and years on a guitar that really high action. Playing a Jackson, Dean, or other quality guitar was like an epiphany. I'd almost recommend learning on a higher action, you will be better off in the long run.
-
I had to just google temelo to even know what it was and I still dont know.
Maybe you could explain it? What is it used for. Do beginners need this can I get it later?
Thanks for all the input guys. Ill let you know what I get.
Oh and by the way thanks for the Chavel recommendation. Ed roman has a beautiful tangerine orange usa made one for 1200. Orange is my favorite color. I could almost make a decision on just color :rofl
-
I had to just google temelo to even know what it was and I still dont know.
Maybe you could explain it? What is it used for. Do beginners need this can I get it later?
Thanks for all the input guys. Ill let you know what I get.
Oh and by the way thanks for the Chavel recommendation. Ed roman has a beautiful tangerine orange usa made one for 1200. Orange is my favorite color. I could almost make a decision on just color :rofl
Tremolo Arm = (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Stratocaster_detail_DSC06937.jpg)
-
I had to just google temelo to even know what it was and I still dont know.
Maybe you could explain it? What is it used for. Do beginners need this can I get it later?
Thanks for all the input guys. Ill let you know what I get.
Oh and by the way thanks for the Chavel recommendation. Ed roman has a beautiful tangerine orange usa made one for 1200. Orange is my favorite color. I could almost make a decision on just color :rofl
Mash took care of it, but it's your WHAMMY BAR dude! If you plan on using tremolo in a significant amount, or doing any sort of dive bombs (catching a harmonic for a Dimebag squeal on the way back up of course)... Floyd Rose double locking is the only way to go. :rock
Dime squeals! Getcha pull!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TpYcA9bSaU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TpYcA9bSaU)
-
Don't forget that the electronics and the setup on any electric can make it sound good or bad depending. Obviously the body material and the bridge are fixed--can't change what they do to the tone. I recently did a full setup check on my Strat, adjusted the pickup heights, and semi-fixed the bridge, and it sounds like a different guitar than it used to. Strings can also have a huge impact on the tone, depending on gauge. Last, the thing I had the hardest time understanding at first is that what you hear on recorded music is its sometimes heavily engineered in the studio. Beyond merely the amp, stereo effects, delay, compression, and how the tone gets mixed all have a very large impact on how you'll perceive the "quality" of the guitar.
Remember, EVH played a pieced-together Franken-Strat with a couple of pedals and got tone that others are still trying to emulate. I've formed the opinion over the years that a cheaper guitar with awesome electronics and a good setup can sound just as good as a very expensive "stock" guitar. Remember that a lot of what you're paying for with LPS, for example, is the labor it takes to make them, and the wicked hot appointments (inlays, etc), rather than what you can make it sound like once you plug it into a Marshall head in a studio. Another good example is Jack White. He recorded that first White Stripes album with some plastic-body dime store guitar and I think he still plays it today.
-
Mash took care of it, but it's your WHAMMY BAR dude
Lol When I saw the pic mash posted, I thought I know what a whammy bar is. :rofl
Stoney I know your right I just don't have the experience to know what I want or need if I was going to do any mods. I am going to have to rely on a product that gets me close for my first one, and you guys have helped more than I thought possible on getting me close to a product. Really appreciate it.
Guitars are like women you want to handle them all and there is always a better one. :D
Lol I need a good friend with a bunch of guitars to try.
I borrowed my nieces fender squire for a week, even my wife said ah that doesn't sound as good as the other one.
Still looking.......
-
The "whammy bar" is a pretty versitile tool on the guitar.
Alot of guys use it mainly for "dive bombing".
But used as a vibrato it can add a whole new dimension to your playing.
Exhibit A: http://youtu.be/hHHY3eRUMsM
Make sure that whatever guitar you wind up with has a volume knob that cleans up the sound as you turn it down.
I've played several that sound dirty when cranked and as you turn down the volume knob its still dirty, just quieter.
I've found that by using the volume knob ALOT, I can get a variety of different sounds without having to use any pedals. (well, just a crybaby)
-
The tremolo is a double edged sword.
It's a pain in the bellybutton to tune the floating tremolo so I use a ball catch between the springs against the block to give it a place to stop and retain good tune but still have full tremolo action.
Since you are throwing around some pretty high prices, I suggest two guitars.
One high quality guitar with a fixed bridge and maybe a yamaha/ibanez/kramer shred axe for the tremolo duties.
These can be picked up used for 100 bucks often.
You might find you don't like whammy bar equipped guitars.
The other advantage of two guitars is that you can tune them different since an ever larger percentage of songs recently are in lower or alternate tunings.
You don't have to spend a lot of money right out of the chute and money spent on getting a guitar properly set up is worth more than even the most expensive guitar that isn't properly set up.
In preparation for guys starting to throw around names like ibanez, yamaha, fender....etc.
You may find that those guitars all came from the same fujigen factory.
-
He said fujigen. :rofl
-
It's a pain in the bellybutton to tune the floating tremolo so I use a ball catch between the springs against the block to give it a place to stop and retain good tune but still have full tremolo action
It's easy once ya do it a couple of times.
You don't have to spend a lot of money right out of the chute and money spent on getting a guitar properly set up is worth more than even the most expensive guitar that isn't properly set up.
A decent guitar shop will set everything up for less than $50 in most cases.
-
The tremolo is a double edged sword.
It's a pain in the bellybutton to tune the floating tremolo so I use a ball catch between the springs against the block to give it a place to stop and retain good tune but still have full tremolo action.
Since you are throwing around some pretty high prices, I suggest two guitars.
One high quality guitar with a fixed bridge and maybe a yamaha/ibanez/kramer shred axe for the tremolo duties.
These can be picked up used for 100 bucks often.
You might find you don't like whammy bar equipped guitars.
The other advantage of two guitars is that you can tune them different since an ever larger percentage of songs recently are in lower or alternate tunings.
You don't have to spend a lot of money right out of the chute and money spent on getting a guitar properly set up is worth more than even the most expensive guitar that isn't properly set up.
In preparation for guys starting to throw around names like ibanez, yamaha, fender....etc.
You may find that those guitars all came from the same fujigen factory.
Fender 6 screw Tremolo bridge - Tighten the screws all the way down, back off the middle four screws 1/4 turn and viola!
If you don't want to do that, Callahan makes a great Tremolo bridge that stays in tune as well.
-
It's even easier when you've done it hundreds of times in the last 30 years.
-
If you got the money, I would recomend a used Gibson Les Paul double cutaway Studio model.
The sound is awesome and VERY versitile, they're light yet rugged and can be had for around $700.00
I've had Fenders (american) Jacksons, a Travis Bean, Yamaha, Charvel etc etc, and my favorite has been and still is my Les Paul DC studio by a long shot. Plug this thing into a Marshall and it will do about anything you ask of it. With zero pedals.
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/electric_guitars/gibson/les_paul_dc_studio/index.html
PS. Les Pauls are notorius for holding their value and their value will increase ALOT over time.
Amen on the Marshall and Les Paul. Love 6L6 tube amps!!!!! Had a Red original Strat and a black Ibanez (good straight sounding nice humbucker) that my brother hocked (the rat)... Ran through a little Markley Presidential 80 watt with reverb and kicker pedals.
The strat was Awesome but the Ibanez made my meager ability sound flawless. The 115 FH cabinets (birch) back up my Tama's with great boost. (You can even fry crickets with the twin Black Widows, 1508's and CH2s, with under 200 watts RMS.).
"String along, don't fret it".
-
Thanks guys for all the help.
So far Dean usa 74 is in top spot. If I can justify the price to wife. I did find a hardtail on line for little over $1200.( list is $2200 they say but its old stock new ) It is a possibility also.
Then its between the LTD M 300 is in first position. Did some research on the ESP LTD brand and most seems positive.
and the Fender strat
I am going to a large guitar shop in phoenix on tuesday so it might change as I plan to plug every guitar on the wall into an amp. :banana:
A Gibson les paul or melody maker is on the bucket list for second or third guitar. ( wife said if I learn to Play Canon in D I can buy what I want. :banana: )
To be fair I have picked up a Gibson and just didnt feel right. Don't know how to really explain it, but have brother inlaw who has one and he also suggested it, or the Fender Strat.
I will do some research on the other guitars mentioned.
Anyone know of guitar shops in the Sandiego area? I will be there end of week.
I just have to get it out of my head of getting a Usa made guitar for around $800.00.
I almost had my mind made up to get a fretlight guitar but is seems cheesy and I have to learn the notes/scales at some point anyway.
3 months til Christmas :rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD5R4IDFgCU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD5R4IDFgCU)
Get cracking :D
http://www.azchords.com/p/pachelbelljohann-tabs-12196/canonindmajor-tabs-153719.html (http://www.azchords.com/p/pachelbelljohann-tabs-12196/canonindmajor-tabs-153719.html)
EDIT: If the deal is "buy what you want" then I assume a PRS guitar is not out of the question ? :devil
-
It's even easier when you've done it hundreds of times in the last 30 years.
I merely gave two examples that allow you to have a Synchronized Tremolo and keep tuning.
-
Never seen or heard a "tremolo arm" in use. Mine all have vibratos... <-semantics b*tch :D
Thx for link to J.Beck, prefer that style over that of Dimebags (RIP).
-C+
-
The patent sheets I researched in the early 80s used Tremolo for the name of the device.
Amazingly enough, Tom Scholz was extremely busy during that time period and had more than a few tremolo patents in addition to his electronics patents.
-
Amen on the Marshall and Les Paul. Love 6L6 tube amps!!!!! Had a Red original Strat and a black Ibanez (good straight sounding nice humbucker) that my brother hocked (the rat)... Ran through a little Markley Presidential 80 watt with reverb and kicker pedals.
The strat was Awesome but the Ibanez made my meager ability sound flawless. The 115 FH cabinets (birch) back up my Tama's with great boost. (You can even fry crickets with the twin Black Widows, 1508's and CH2s, with under 200 watts RMS.).
"String along, don't fret it".
I have a Les Paul single cutaway studio and I love it. Along with my Marshall MG 50FX amp I can pretty much do anything I want. I have a distortion pedal but I rarely use it. :rock :rock
-
Lol my brother in law just emailed me and said go with fender American or PRS, but I don't know if they make one in orange. :rofl
I just found a PRS SE Santana in orange, new top spot.
A friend just called me and said hey I hear your looking for a guitar, I have a PRS Santana, check it out. So I ask him is that the $700.00 or the $13,000.00 dollar one. Hey just laughed and said N0 it's the koren made one.
Anyway thanks for all the help guys wish me luck I'm going to a guitar store in Tucson tomorrow. I'm going to play a fender American strat, a Dean, and Prs. Let you know Joe it goes.
I can see this getting out off hand though. I have to wear a bib when I go to Ed
Romans web site. Love the guys rants he is defiantly opinionated.
:rock :rock :rock :rock
-
Wish you a good trip, Sonic!
but one thing to keep in mind is- we all could give you thousands of different recommendations and you could sit down and try out / test play every recommendation, yet not be truly happy with any of them
then you could walk in a pawn shop and grab a $100 to $150 used axe off the wall that has been abused and used..... and then play it and tell yourself "I found the one I want!!!"
so when you go to the guitar store, be sure to play many , not just let it rest on the possibility of 3 brands .......
Look over all the guitars hanging or sitting on stands........ and test each and every one that grabs your eye.... then widdle the list down from there.....
you will know when you have found the guitar you so desire ( since you have already started playing and have a Taylor Acoustic )
it is hard for me to suggest an expensive guitar to someone, who says they are a beginner..... I am almost positive that you will find that the Dean vs the Fender Strat vs the PRS to be like far left middle far right across the spectrum of style & feel.....
just an example of the way i view it on selecting a guitar:
I have a 1 of only 100 made Shecter Custom electric guitars that I paid almost $1300 for and might would sell it for $4k or $5K.......... then I have an Acoustic Guitar that is a Dixon ( a Secondary Brand attempt by Martin back in the 80's ) that I would not take $20K for if you was waving the cash in my face, it sounds and plays that good to me/for me......
again, good luck on the treasure hunt
<S>
TC
PS: if they have em, try yourself a Jackson, or a Schecter, or an Ibanez .... try guitars that have a Tremolo/Vibrato and try some with String Through Body &/or Hard Tail Bridges......... try some with Bigsby Vibrato arms.....see & feel the difference ........ try some that are maple fretboards then try some that are rosewood........ I myself prefer Maple for most of my instruments......
-
I'd like to point out that selecting a guitar also depends on the music style you are going to play and who you want to sound like (if not yourself).
With moderate or slight drive levels and tube amplifiers the type of guitar plays a huge role in how it sounds like. Eg. two classics 7ender Strato and Gibson Les Paul are very different in how they sound like and that is caused by both wood selections, structure and mic layout and type. Stomp in a huge amount of boost to get a buzzsaw distortion and it only affects slightly to touch which kind of mics and wood your guitar has.
From Strat type guitars I'd like to point out that usually the Strat type of microphones with all single coils does not necessarily produce the best sound heavily overdriven and that is why they usually put a humbucker to bridge position.
One more thing, unless you have an excellent amp it does not really matter how expensive guitar you have as it will sound the same as a cheaper one, so there is no point to buy an expensive guitar if a cheaper one happens to give you the same touch and ease of playing as an expensive one.
Rule of thumb: Go buzzsaw and you can sound awesome with little investment, go vintage and it starts to cost you -first a decent all tube amp and then the guitar.
-C+
-
If you truly want to harness the full sounds available to the strat, you need one that has the reverse wound/reverse polarized middle pickup and the true 5 position switch.
This allows you to get all the signature sounds the strat is known for and you can pretty good humbucking sounds by engaging the bridge and center pickups together as a humbucking pair.
Of course.....I really like this one.........even if it strays away from it's roots.
Luckily there is some clever switching, wiring, and pickup choice that lets it get close to it's signature sound as well as bring the pain humbucker style.
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Squier-J5-Telecaster-Electric-Guitar-105466809-i1448363.gc?&source=4WFRWXX&CAWELAID=439920886
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7QjBWJUCm0
This guitar has no tone control which I seem to use more often than I used to.......especially when running high gain.
-
I've had GREAT luck with LTD guitars.
Meh, I have two ESP (LTDs are the cheapo versions) and I would recommend an ESP over an LTD any day. I was able to get one used for under $800 about 10 years ago from a pawn shop, who didn't know what they were selling.
Fender 6 screw Tremolo bridge
agreed, I think some of the best sounding guitars have the solid body bridges. On almost all mid-ranged and cheap guitars, the tremolo and floyd rose bridges just equate to the guitar never staying in tune.
Love 6L6 tube amps!!!!!
really? They always sounded 'crackly' to me, I prefer el34s.
-
well better or worse I played a bunch of guitars and I choose the fender american standard.
Salute all thanks for the help and suggestions.
Daniel
-
Fender Telecaster! :rock :rock
I picked up an American Special Telecaster for 865.00 and I've been loving it. I can jam to everything from easy listening SRV to metal! :rock
-
Meh, I have two ESP (LTDs are the cheapo versions) and I would recommend an ESP over an LTD any day. I was able to get one used for under $800 about 10 years ago from a pawn shop, who didn't know what they were selling.
You do realize that the guts are almost identical right? I played a KH-1 ESP the same day I bought my LTD KH-602... The difference was minimal at best.
-
well better or worse I played a bunch of guitars and I choose the fender american standard.
Salute all thanks for the help and suggestions.
Daniel
You won't be disappointed! :rock
-
Yep, nice choice there. :aok
-
Pics or it didnt happen (in other words, sling up some guitar porn dagnabit!!!)
Wurz - (congrats on the new axe!)
-
You do realize that the guts are almost identical right? I played a KH-1 ESP the same day I bought my LTD KH-602... The difference was minimal at best.
That is true in the case of the KH-1 and the KH-602 the only difference is the machines I believe (I had to look it up). That being said, historically the woods used are frequently different, also, many ESP are neck through where as many of the LTDs are bolt on necks also the craftsmanship and quality seemed higher with the ESPs.
In the case of 1 of my 2 ESPs, I don't know if they still do it (I purchased it back in '02), but I was able to customize it (choose the woods, the neck shape, the fret size and number, etc..).
-
That is true in the case of the KH-1 and the KH-602 the only difference is the machines I believe (I had to look it up). That being said, historically the woods used are frequently different, also, many ESP are neck through where as many of the LTDs are bolt on necks also the craftsmanship and quality seemed higher with the ESPs.
In the case of 1 of my 2 ESPs, I don't know if they still do it (I purchased it back in '02), but I was able to customize it (choose the woods, the neck shape, the fret size and number, etc..).
That's true for the cheaper LTD models. Many are neck through now (ie the M-300). LTD really stepped up their game a few years ago. As with ESP, you can order them custom built now as well. The one big difference I've noticed is the quality of the finish on the ESP line is notably higher, especially in the see-through finishes.
-
guitar porn
This is the guitar I covet though my FR404 is very similar in most details including neck-thru design and coil tapping as well as phase switching.......other than the horrible quad rails pickups.
Kramer liberty 86.
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p31/herey74/DSC00175s.jpg)
I found one of these in a trash pile (white guitar below) with a split headstock, repaired it, and then ruined it's value by routing a relief for the floyd rose before giving it away.
I use a ball or roller catch between the springs as a stop for the tremolo which keeps it from going sharp when palm muting and stills allow you to pull up on the bar.
It really played well and stayed in tune for 9 months of whammy goodness before I lifted it "steve vai crossroads style" and stretched the strings.......but a minute on the fine tuners and it was back for a few more months before a string broke.
I only found out recently how much it was worth.
(http://www.vintagekramer.com/Ads/ad5.jpg)