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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: The Fugitive on August 30, 2011, 06:51:55 PM
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Well I finally bit the bullet and bought one. I have gone through everything I can find on the boards and have a number of profiles saved from them. I also have Mace's write-up. So far I haven't had any "feeling sick" issues and I find flying with Track IR far superior to using the hat switch for the views. I've been flying cartoon planes for over 10 years and have a very fast thumb :D but it just seems so much smoother and natural to just move your head a bit. Not to mention when you pull into a black out and are down to a hole about the size of a quarter it is very easy to move the bogie your following into the center of the screen and keep an eye on him.
I have two things I'd like to ask and see if anyone has an answer for them.
1. with the 6 view I have to lean forward a bit and to one side and turn my head a bit to see a decent 6 view. Is this about right and am I on the right track setting this view up?
2. My Tracker camera stays plugged in. Even with out the TrackIR software loaded I have a blue light that flashes on for a second every 5 or 6 seconds. Is this normal?
Thanks for any help!
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Fugi,
6 view, I have to do the same
Blue light, mine does that too, so should be fine
Wurzel
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The 6 view problem is solvable by disabling the axis which controls side to side head movement (not tilting or turning). Once this is turned off, 6 view reverts to saved head position.
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Fugitive,
I bought a TrackIR5 over a year ago. I struggled and struggled with the 6 view. So much so I gave up on it for awhile. Just recently, I decided to give it another go. What I finally found that helped my 6 view... I raised my monitor about 6 inches, thus raising the TrackIR camera. Ever since I did that, the 6 view is sooooo much better. You might try it and see if it helps.
If you find a profile that you like, I would be interested in getting a copy. Now that I have the 6 view problem solved, I need to get everything else working smoothly. Finding a good profile is the next step.
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Joe, I have to look around the tail (lean left, or right), but I don't have to lean forward.
My camera is plugged directly into my comp so I can't say about the blue light.
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Leaning a little forward and then leaning to the side and looking back seems a natural way to look back around a headrest, doesn't it?
The blue blinky light is normal, just to let you know the unit is powered. The top light comes on when the TIR software is loaded, and the blue light comes on when a TIR-enabled app is running and detected.
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Leaning a little forward and then leaning to the side and looking back seems a natural way to look back around a headrest, doesn't it?
I used to have to lean forward or backward to look around the seat, until I raised the monitor (and the camera). Now I just lean left or right and get a nice view around the seat back.
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Put a little dead band in the center of all axis except the Z axis. This will keep you from straining your neck while keeping your shot straight. If you keep it on aggressive it'll frustrate you. Put a view center button on your stick. In the track ir software slave the same button in the hot keys side of your profile.
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Well I finally bit the bullet and bought one. I have gone through everything I can find on the boards and have a number of profiles saved from them. I also have Mace's write-up. So far I haven't had any "feeling sick" issues and I find flying with Track IR far superior to using the hat switch for the views. I've been flying cartoon planes for over 10 years and have a very fast thumb :D but it just seems so much smoother and natural to just move your head a bit. Not to mention when you pull into a black out and are down to a hole about the size of a quarter it is very easy to move the bogie your following into the center of the screen and keep an eye on him.
I have two things I'd like to ask and see if anyone has an answer for them.
1. with the 6 view I have to lean forward a bit and to one side and turn my head a bit to see a decent 6 view. Is this about right and am I on the right track setting this view up?
2. My Tracker camera stays plugged in. Even with out the TrackIR software loaded I have a blue light that flashes on for a second every 5 or 6 seconds. Is this normal?
Thanks for any help!
Congrats Good move :aok
1. with the 6 view I have to lean forward a bit and to one side and turn my head a bit to see a decent 6 view. Is this about right and am I on the right track setting this view up?
A. yes :aok
2. My Tracker camera stays plugged in. Even with out the TrackIR software loaded I have a blue light that flashes on for a second every 5 or 6 seconds. Is this normal?
Depends on your version make sure to install the most resent version that's the most important thing. as long as its tracking smoothly you should be all set
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Thanks everyone, at least I know I'm on the right "track" :devil
oh and Mr Raven, I don't get down to the Cape often, but next time I do we'll have to have a beer or two <S>
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I have one comment about the recommendation to disable the side-side axis and that's don't. You'll lose the ability to slide side to side when looking forward. Moving side to side lets you look around canopy bows and, in many airplanes, right down the side of the nose to set up high-angle crossing and large-lead shots. It's a big advantage when using TIR.
For the six view, the first thing to do is make sure that your camera is set so that larger head movements don't go outside the camera's field of view. Once you're sure that's correct I've found that what works best for me is to lean a little bit forward and down when I hit the "center" button. Then, when I relax to a normal sitting position, my "in game head" is towards the back of the cockpit and a bit higher than normal giving a good overall view. When I turn around to check six this moves my head toward the front of the cockpit and away from the headrest giving a better six view. If you just center in your normal position you'll usually just see your headrest when you check six. I've never tried PFactorDave's idea but it certainly sounds like it's worth a try.
Also, some aircraft are just flat out difficult to work with using TIR. This includes the F4U and early model 109F and G2. These have shields that extend over the normal seated position and it's very hard to find a good position where it doesn't block your TIR view. You can still use TIR in those planes but it takes lots of practice.
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I have one comment about the recommendation to disable the side-side axis and that's don't. You'll lose the ability to slide side to side when looking forward. Moving side to side lets you look around canopy bows and, in many airplanes, right down the side of the nose to set up high-angle crossing and large-lead shots. It's a big advantage when using TIR.
I noticed that fairly soon. One of the profiles I found had the side to side disabled and it really hinder looking around. The profile I'm using now I have only the "tilt left and right" disabled. I felt like I was all over the place with it on, so I turned it off and it seems much smoother.
For the six view, the first thing to do is make sure that your camera is set so that larger head movements don't go outside the camera's field of view. Once you're sure that's correct I've found that what works best for me is to lean a little bit forward and down when I hit the "center" button. Then, when I relax to a normal sitting position, my "in game head" is towards the back of the cockpit and a bit higher than normal giving a good overall view. When I turn around to check six this moves my head toward the front of the cockpit and away from the headrest giving a better six view. If you just center in your normal position you'll usually just see your headrest when you check six. I've never tried PFactorDave's idea but it certainly sounds like it's worth a try.
I did read that in your PDF, and find it does help. Daves idea I think I may already have set up. I have a 22 inch monitor that sits on a 2.5 inch high shelf. I use to get neck pain from looking "down" at my monitor. This sets it at almost eye level at the center of the screen. My camera is on the top of the monitor about even with the top of my head. I use the pro clip and so far haven't had any loss of connection between the two. I seems to work well.
Also, some aircraft are just flat out difficult to work with using TIR. This includes the F4U and early model 109F and G2. These have shields that extend over the normal seated position and it's very hard to find a good position where it doesn't block your TIR view. You can still use TIR in those planes but it takes lots of practice.
Understood. I spent a number of flight in LAs just because the views are so wide open just to get use to moving around for the views instead of flexing my thumb.
Thanks again.
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Thanks everyone, at least I know I'm on the right "track" :devil
oh and Mr Raven, I don't get down to the Cape often, but next time I do we'll have to have a beer or two <S>
Any time :cheers:
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The corsairs can be tricky to get six view in. I like to set my head high in most planes to help with deflection shots. This has an added benefit in the corsair of putting your view higher out the back. To move youir head, hit f9 to turn off tir temporarily. PgUp moves your head up, f10 to save the position. Now your 'neutral' position is higher. Hit g9 again to turn tie on again. I also recommend not disabling the y axis. To check six I just slide my head to the side and turn to look back.
I'll also say what I always say to new TIR guys. Take the time to get it exactly how you want it. If you are fighting it it will frustrate you endlessly. If you get it right, it is the best thing in the game.
Wiley.
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Well I finally bit the bullet and bought one. I have gone through everything I can find on the boards and have a number of profiles saved from them. I also have Mace's write-up. So far I haven't had any "feeling sick" issues and I find flying with Track IR far superior to using the hat switch for the views. I've been flying cartoon planes for over 10 years and have a very fast thumb :D but it just seems so much smoother and natural to just move your head a bit. Not to mention when you pull into a black out and are down to a hole about the size of a quarter it is very easy to move the bogie your following into the center of the screen and keep an eye on him.
I have two things I'd like to ask and see if anyone has an answer for them.
1. with the 6 view I have to lean forward a bit and to one side and turn my head a bit to see a decent 6 view. Is this about right and am I on the right track setting this view up?
2. My Tracker camera stays plugged in. Even with out the TrackIR software loaded I have a blue light that flashes on for a second every 5 or 6 seconds. Is this normal?
Thanks for any help!
what you described, is what i have to do to look my six. i'd been going to the hat switch on the merge though, as i never got it right.....and i've been on once in the last 4 or so months.
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I have one comment about the recommendation to disable the side-side axis and that's don't. You'll lose the ability to slide side to side when looking forward. Moving side to side lets you look around canopy bows and, in many airplanes, right down the side of the nose to set up high-angle crossing and large-lead shots. It's a big advantage when using TIR.
For the six view, the first thing to do is make sure that your camera is set so that larger head movements don't go outside the camera's field of view. Once you're sure that's correct I've found that what works best for me is to lean a little bit forward and down when I hit the "center" button. Then, when I relax to a normal sitting position, my "in game head" is towards the back of the cockpit and a bit higher than normal giving a good overall view. When I turn around to check six this moves my head toward the front of the cockpit and away from the headrest giving a better six view. If you just center in your normal position you'll usually just see your headrest when you check six. I've never tried PFactorDave's idea but it certainly sounds like it's worth a try.
Also, some aircraft are just flat out difficult to work with using TIR. This includes the F4U and early model 109F and G2. These have shields that extend over the normal seated position and it's very hard to find a good position where it doesn't block your TIR view. You can still use TIR in those planes but it takes lots of practice.
There is a feature in the Track IR settings that helps with the six view. I want to say it's "true View" or something like that. When enabled, it recognizes when your virtual head is facing backwards and reverses the fore-aft motions. This makes the moments of what you see on the screen, match your head movements. BEst explained with an example:
True view off:
I'm sitting looking forward and move my real head backwards so my virtual head moves toward the back of the cockpit. (Just the way I want it.) Then I turn my head to look behind me and I see the seat back very close. So I move my Real head away from the screen because my eyes are telling me to move my head backwards to get further from the seat. But in game, your virtual head moves closer to the seat. Why? because your real head moved further away from the trackIr so it moved your virtual head back in the cockpit. (not what I wanted) this causes you to use your head like joystick intead of moving naturally 'relative' to what you see.
True View ON:
I'm sitting looking forward and move my real head backwards so my virtual head moves toward the back of the cockpit. (Just the way I want it.) Then I turn my head to look behind me and I see the seat back very close. So I move my Real head away from the screen because my eyes are telling me to move my head backwards to get further from the seat. NOW in game, your virtual head moves Away to the seat. Why? because Track IR realizes that your virtual head had turned 180 deg and it makes movements relative to the axis "in game". So moving your real head backwards, always moves your virtual head backwards, relative to which way it's facing.
A lot of folks miss this checkbox and then, I think, miss the real intuitive, and imersive experience of a TrackIR. When enabled this feature means you stop having to learn how to move your head to get the view you want in game, it just comes naturally.
One tip is how to avoid "head sinking" This is where your virtual head (view) moves down as you move forward towards the gauges. This is a side effect of the geometry between the camera and the LEDs on your head. I fix this by adjusting the vertical axis sensitivity. Setting the positive half of the sensitivity curve very high, and the negative half very very low. The high positive, let's me raise up over the nose to keep my eye on bandits when making high deflection shots. The very very low negative side means my head will never go below the set point.
I have also found that setting the side-to-side sensitivity very high, with a dead spot in the middle for aiming, helps to keep me centered in front of the camera properly because I don't need exaggerated movements to look around the nose and seat back (especially in the F4U).
Another trick. Sun glare is programmed to be most intense when your head is pointed at the sun. With TrackIR you can rotate your head slightly to one side, which dims the glare, but with a bit of side movement your eyes can center the bandit in the reticle and still shoot true. Nice! :aok
:salute Vinkman
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There is a feature in the Track IR settings that helps with the six view. I want to say it's "true View" or something like that. When enabled, it recognizes when your virtual head is facing backwards and reverses the fore-aft motions. This makes the moments of what you see on the screen, match your head movements. BEst explained with an example:
True view off:
I'm sitting looking forward and move my real head backwards so my virtual head moves toward the back of the cockpit. (Just the way I want it.) Then I turn my head to look behind me and I see the seat back very close. So I move my Real head away from the screen because my eyes are telling me to move my head backwards to get further from the seat. But in game, your virtual head moves closer to the seat. Why? because your real head moved further away from the trackIr so it moved your virtual head back in the cockpit. (not what I wanted) this causes you to use your head like joystick intead of moving naturally 'relative' to what you see.
True View ON:
I'm sitting looking forward and move my real head backwards so my virtual head moves toward the back of the cockpit. (Just the way I want it.) Then I turn my head to look behind me and I see the seat back very close. So I move my Real head away from the screen because my eyes are telling me to move my head backwards to get further from the seat. NOW in game, your virtual head moves Away to the seat. Why? because Track IR realizes that your virtual head had turned 180 deg and it makes movements relative to the axis "in game". So moving your real head backwards, always moves your virtual head backwards, relative to which way it's facing.
A lot of folks miss this checkbox and then, I think, miss the real intuitive, and imersive experience of a TrackIR. When enabled this feature means you stop having to learn how to move your head to get the view you want in game, it just comes naturally.
One tip is how to avoid "head sinking" This is where your virtual head (view) moves down as you move forward towards the gauges. This is a side effect of the geometry between the camera and the LEDs on your head. I fix this by adjusting the vertical axis sensitivity. Setting the positive half of the sensitivity curve very high, and the negative half very very low. The high positive, let's me raise up over the nose to keep my eye on bandits when making high deflection shots. The very very low negative side means my head will never go below the set point.
I have also found that setting the side-to-side sensitivity very high, with a dead spot in the middle for aiming, helps to keep me centered in front of the camera properly because I don't need exaggerated movements to look around the nose and seat back (especially in the F4U).
Another trick. Sun glare is programmed to be most intense when your head is pointed at the sun. With TrackIR you can rotate your head slightly to one side, which dims the glare, but with a bit of side movement your eyes can center the bandit in the reticle and still shoot true. Nice! :aok
:salute Vinkman
You're right about TrueView but it can still get screwed up because you're missing an even more obscure checkbox and that's in the views option in the AH clipboard called TIR Object Relative Move. There are four possible combinations with the TrueView and ORM checkboxes. TrueView Off, ORM off. TrueView On, ORM off. TrueView Off, ORM On and TrueView On, ORM On. You MUST have either both on or both off if you want the views looking aft to work correctly. It really doesn't matter if they're both on or both off but if you have the selection mixed with one on and the other off then your movements when looking aft are reversed from what you would expect. For instance, you turn your head left to look aft. If you slide your head left the "in-game head" moves right. I can't really see a difference between both on and both off, they just have to match otherwise it's very confusing, especially if you're just starting out.
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You're right about TrueView but it can still get screwed up because you're missing an even more obscure checkbox and that's in the views option in the AH clipboard called TIR Object Relative Move. There are four possible combinations with the TrueView and ORM checkboxes. TrueView Off, ORM off. TrueView On, ORM off. TrueView Off, ORM On and TrueView On, ORM On. You MUST have either both on or both off if you want the views looking aft to work correctly. It really doesn't matter if they're both on or both off but if you have the selection mixed with one on and the other off then your movements when looking aft are reversed from what you would expect. For instance, you turn your head left to look aft. If you slide your head left the "in-game head" moves right. I can't really see a difference between both on and both off, they just have to match otherwise it's very confusing, especially if you're just starting out.
:aok Yes good catch and addition Mace. Hopefully this will help TrackIR users. I've heard so many folks have trouble and sell it short. Most often this is because their set up is not right, so there is no chance it's going to work as expected.
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I have a freat TrackIR profile from Rise Of Flight if you want it just PM me with your E-mail and I'll attache it. All you have to do is change your key settings to whatever you want.
Its for TRIR-5 with track clip Pro.
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I use my back look on hat switch and either move my head left or right, I think the less head movements the better.
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Welcome to the club! Been airsick yet?
I bought a Tir relatively quick in my AH "career" and I've never looked back (no pun intended). I'm so dependent on it now that I cannot play the game without it.
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Welcome to the club! Been airsick yet?
I bought a Tir relatively quick in my AH "career" and I've never looked back (no pun intended). I'm so dependent on it now that I cannot play the game without it.
I was worried about this, but no problems so far. I use to watch my son play COD on his 42 inch monitor I use to get a bit quezzy if I watched too long, but I loaded TrackIR up and it all seemed so much easyer and more natural. A hour or 2 of setup, then 3 hours of flying right after it and all was well. I even saved all the packaging so I could sell it as "Almost new" when I had to get rid of it LOL!!!
SO far so good!
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Fugi welcome to the dark side. I can't fly without it.
I've had one problem for a while that bugs the !#@$!@# out of me and I haven't troubled myself to figure out the fix because it's not that big of a deal. A couple of updates ago my f12 stopped working in game. I've done a couple of runs at fixing it to no avail.
Any ideas?
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Dictom, remapp your f12 to f11 and there should be no problems. f12 is default for local vox.
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Make sure you don't have a mirror behind you it makes it jump about :old:
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Leaning forward and then moving the head to the side to look back will seem like second nature after a few hours. All it takes is a little practice and perseverance. Don't let frustration build up trying to use this thing... everyone has a different set up in monitor sizes, room back lighting, posture etc. You just have to keep tweaking it a bit until it gets comfortable. After about 6 months using mine I would never go back to just stick and hat views. TrackIR just feels right...
On another note I have the "TrackClip Pro" attached to the left side of my head phones. I found that if I moved the TrackIR camera over to the left side of the screen (instead of centered) I never had any issues with "freezing" (ie. the camera light goes off and your view is stuck until you move your head). That would happen mostly when I tried to look behind and up while rolling the aircraft.
The biggest single tip which helped me was this. When you first enter an aircraft and your view is centered on the default view lean real far forward with your head held straight. Then slink down in your chair (with your head still held straight) until the gun sight is cut in half horizontally by the graphics of the reticule. Then hit the key you have mapped to fix the default view for that sortie.
Now when you sit back you will find that you are looking out over the nose with a better view of the sky facing forward. When you lean forward and look back you will see a more diminished seat back graphic.
cheers
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Dictom, remapp your f12 to f11 and there should be no problems. f12 is default for local vox.
nope didn't work for me. I'm running TIR in default which works fine for me with the exception of the head centering and that's been a real :headscratch: for a while now
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nope didn't work for me. I'm running TIR in default which works fine for me with the exception of the head centering and that's been a real :headscratch: for a while now
Are you "trapping" it?
Infidelz
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map it to a joystick button