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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: caldera on August 30, 2011, 08:58:19 PM
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Why is the A6M3 classified as a Fighter/Attack plane, when it carries no ords? Same goes for the Yak-9T. The Hurricane 2D I can understand as it's like a can opener for tanks. The other two - not so much.
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Ground strafing maybe?
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Yak 9T is a ground attack version. The 37 on it is the same on the Il-2 I believe.
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Yak 9T is a ground attack version. The 37 on it is the same on the Il-2 I believe.
It was loaded with HE ammo and used air-to-air. It was not intended for ground attack.
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most cannon armed plane have attack mode due to cannons and strafing capability. Not tied to historical use as much as game scoring.
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It was loaded with HE ammo and used air-to-air. It was not intended for ground attack.
The Yak-9T could carry AP-T, or HE/HE-I ammo for the NS-37. The variant merely allowed for a more diversified load out.
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Doesn't matter if the gun could physically accept the round. Depends on the docrtine at the time. The soviets used the Yak-9T as an air to air fighter, not an anti-tank platform as mistakenly noted in many books. I think that's where the original comment in this thread stems from.
The "T" stood for the Russian word for "tank" but not as in "it kills tanks" but as in "as huge as the gun on a tank!"
So it's been the source of much (mis)information over the years.
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Doesn't matter if the gun could physically accept the round. Depends on the docrtine at the time. The soviets used the Yak-9T as an air to air fighter, not an anti-tank platform as mistakenly noted in many books. I think that's where the original comment in this thread stems from.
The "T" stood for the Russian word for "tank" but not as in "it kills tanks" but as in "as huge as the gun on a tank!"
So it's been the source of much (mis)information over the years.
I never said it was a ground attack plane. But those rounds were used in the NS37.
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Thank you very much for clearing that up more me guys. Looks like I put 2 and 2 together and accidentally divided by 0. :bolt:
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Thank you very much for clearing that up more me guys. Looks like I put 2 and 2 together and accidentally divided by 0. :bolt:
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Doesn't matter if the gun could physically accept the round. Depends on the docrtine at the time. The soviets used the Yak-9T as an air to air fighter, not an anti-tank platform as mistakenly noted in many books. I think that's where the original comment in this thread stems from.
It was designed for, and used in both, air to air and air to ground roles.
The "T" stood for the Russian word for "tank" but not as in "it kills tanks" but as in "as huge as the gun on a tank!"
In Yak-9T designation, T stands for heavy armament. (Russian for heavy: тяжелый) It has nothing to do with the tank.
So it's been the source of much (mis)information over the years.
From all I read about Yak-9T I could hardly see evidence of any misinformation.
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Anthony Williams did post that it the Yak-9T only carried HE ammo.
Yes, it is the same NS-37 as on the Il-2 and capable of being loaded with AP ammo, but that doesn't mean it ever was.
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Anthony Williams did post that it the Yak-9T only carried HE ammo.
Yes, it is the same NS-37 as on the Il-2 and capable of being loaded with AP ammo, but that doesn't mean it ever was.
I don't remember mentioning AP ammo.
My point was that it was used in air to ground role so being listed under 'attack' in AH isn't really wrong.
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I don't remember mentioning AP ammo.
My point was that it was used in air to ground role so being listed under 'attack' in AH isn't really wrong.
...But in actual, historical use by the Soviets in World War II it was used primarily as a fighter plane and not for ground attack not busting tanks.
It is often assumed, as Krusty points out, that because it had a big gun, as did the Yak 9K with a 45mm gun, that it must have been designed with tank busting in mind. After all, isn't is the same gun used in the tank busting IL2?
Who in there right mind would ever think to use such a large caliber gun to shoot other planes with? :headscratch:
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wrongway
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...But in actual, historical use by the Soviets in World War II it was used primarily as a fighter plane and not for ground attack not busting tanks.
Primarily it was used in mixed role. That was typical for all suitable types ie those with heavier guns and/or bomb carrying capability.
Just one example: 25th Sept 1944, Norway Coast, Arctic Sea, convoy busting, German shipping attacked by 33 Il-2, 14 Yak9, 24 P-40, air cover provided by another 24 fighters (p-40s and Yaks).
It is often assumed, as Krusty points out, that because it had a big gun, as did the Yak 9K with a 45mm gun, that it must have been designed with tank busting in mind. After all, isn't is the same gun used in the tank busting IL2?
It was designed for, and used in both, air to air and air to ground roles.
See, I didn't mention any tank busting.
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Primarily it was used in mixed role. That was typical for all suitable types ie those with heavier guns and/or bomb carrying capability.
Just one example: 25th Sept 1944, Norway Coast, Arctic Sea, convoy busting, German shipping attacked by 33 Il-2, 14 Yak9, 24 P-40, air cover provided by another 24 fighters (p-40s and Yaks).
See, I didn't mention any tank busting.
They are basing it on "their assumptions".
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most cannon armed plane have attack mode due to cannons and strafing capability. Not tied to historical use as much as game scoring.
Aircraft with similar (or better) strafing capability to A6M3 that don't have an Attack option:
C.205
109-F4
109-K4
Spit V
Spit IX
Spit XIV
Yak-9U
Doesn't add up. :headscratch:
I think the 109-E4 is also Fighter only.