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Title: Auto flaps
Post by: Fud on September 01, 2011, 05:45:01 AM
So, tell me again why some of the hogs have a few notches already set on takeoff?
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: FLS on September 01, 2011, 06:16:42 AM
I believe that's for auto takeoff on the CV.
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: nrshida on September 01, 2011, 08:01:31 AM
Auto takeoff  :lol You noob Fudmukkr!  :old:

7:15:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J0BYq3yevs
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: Rob52240 on September 01, 2011, 09:28:45 AM
Set up a heavy F4U1C in the hanger, then take off with no flaps.  Then you tell us why.
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: Mayhem on September 01, 2011, 10:09:42 AM
Set up a heavy F4U1C in the hanger, then take off with no flaps.  Then you tell us why.

Row row row your boat gently down the ..........
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: MarineUS on September 01, 2011, 10:25:02 AM
Row row row your boat gently down the ..........
:rofl :rofl  :aok
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: Mayhem on September 01, 2011, 10:36:44 AM
This brings up an interesting question. Didn't the n1k-2j Shiden Kai (George) have a revolutionary auto flap design that has to date never been modeled in any flight sim that features it?
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: dedalos on September 01, 2011, 11:19:44 AM
So, tell me again why some of the hogs have a few notches already set on takeoff?

In a meeting at the HT headquarters the conversation went something like this:

HT:         Hey guys, wana make Fud cry?
Scuzzy:   Cool idea  :aok
SyperFly:  :x
Sadz:       :rock
Scuzzy:   OK, but how to do it . . . . Hmmmmm  :headscratch:
HT:          Lets set flaps on the F4U automatically.  That should do it  :devil
Superfly:  Ohhhhhhhh  :salute
Scuzzy:   No wonder you are the boss  :old:
Sadz:       :furious Why can;t I think of cool things like that.

Well, it is not exactly how it went but I am sure it is close to it  :lol
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: nrshida on September 01, 2011, 11:27:41 AM
This brings up an interesting question. Didn't the n1k-2j Shiden Kai (George) have a revolutionary auto flap design that has to date never been modeled in any flight sim that features it?

Yes. We just had this discussion recently:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,315181.0.html
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: Mayhem on September 01, 2011, 12:27:20 PM
Yes. We just had this discussion recently:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,315181.0.html

Oh cool a new one I haven't seen.  This is the one I come across the most when I looked up the subject.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?topic=211618.0

There are allot of older ones to going all the way back to 2000 I think.

I would agree with Krusty its not something I really want I would prefer to control the flaps myself. But I don't have to take my hands of my controls and I'm not fighting 30+ pounds of feedback in the controls.
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: Scca on September 01, 2011, 12:28:06 PM
Set up a heavy F4U1C in the hanger, then take off with no flaps.  Then you tell us why.n
Stacked Hog off CV, no flaps....no problem (unless it's turning).  You just have to have some finesse.

To the OP's question.... dunno....
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: Mayhem on September 01, 2011, 12:59:34 PM
I would like to see the f4u Check list for Carrier take offs. What was the flap settings?
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: nrshida on September 01, 2011, 01:18:26 PM
Says half flaps in the film, about 20 degrees I think (7:15).
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: 68ZooM on September 01, 2011, 01:25:13 PM
I would like to see the f4u Check list for Carrier take offs. What was the flap settings?

Did some research and found this Info....here's the complete checklist for the F4u

CHANCE VOUGHT F4U CORSAIR
BASIC CHECKLIST...

SPEEDS FOR SAFE OPERATION
Vso – 75 KIAS
VS1 – 87 KIAS
Vy - 125 KIAS
Vfe – 200 KIAS
Vle – 200 KIAS
Best Glide, Wing Flaps Up – 140 KIAS

FLAP SETTINGS
0 DEGREES (UP)
20 DEGREES
30 DEGREES
50 DEGREES (DOWN)

BEFORE STARTING ENGINE
1. Rudder Pedals – ADJUST
2. Canopy – OPEN
3. View – CHECK, CENTER, ZOOM OUT

STARTING ENGINE
1. Throttle – OPEN SLIGHTLY
2. Brakes – SET
3. Propeller Area – CLEAR
4. Ignition Switch – START
5. Nav Lights – AS REQUIRED
6. Radio – ON

BEFORE TAKEOFF
1. Wings – SPREAD and LOCKED
2. Flight Controls – FREE and CORRECT
3. Arresting Hook – UP
4. Flight Instruments – CHECK
5. Fuel Quantity – CHECK
6. Elevator Trim – SET
7. Aileron Trim – 6 DEGREES RIGHT
8. Wing Flaps – AS REQUIRED
9. Tail Wheel – LOCKED
10. Brakes – RELEASE

TAKEOFF
FIELD TAKEOFF
1. Wing Flaps – 0 to 20 DEGREES
2. Throttle – 100%
3. Climb – 125 KIAS
4. Landing Gear – UP
5. Wing Flaps – UP

CARRIER TAKEOFF
1. Brakes – SET
2. Wing Flaps – 30 to 50 DEGREES
3. Throttle – FULL WAR EMERGENCY POWER (WEP)
4. Brakes – RELEASE
5. Climb Speed – 125 KIAS
6. Landing Gear – UP
7. Wing Flaps – UP ONE NOTCH AT A TIME
CLIMB
1. Throttle – 75%
2. Trim – 185 KIAS
CRUISE
1. Throttle – 40% to 50% AS REQUIRED
2. Trim – ADJUST

COMBAT
1. Canopy – CLOSED
2. Drop Tank – RELEASE
3. Wing Flaps – UP
4. Throttle – AS REQUIRED (DO NOT OPERATE AT
WEP FOR MORE THAN 5 MINUTES)
DIVE
1. Canopy – CLOSED
2. Drop Tank – RELEASE
3. Wing Flaps – UP
4. Throttle – SLIGHTLY OPEN
5. Landing Gear – DOWN

DESCENT (GUMPS)
1. Gas – RESERVE TANK
2. Fuel Boost Pump – ON
3. Undercarriage – DOWN below 200 KIAS
4. Mixture – AUTO RICH
5. Prop – SET
6. Seatbelt – LATCHED

LANDING
FIELD LANDING
1. Landing Gear – CHECK DOWN
2. Tail Wheel – LOCKED
3. Canopy – OPEN
4. Wing Flaps – 30 DEGREES
5. Approach – 90 to 95 KIAS
CARRIER LANDING
1. Landing Gear – CHECK DOWN
2. Tail Wheel – UNLOCK
3. Canopy – OPEN
4. Arresting Hook – EXTEND
5. Wing Flaps – 50 DEGREES
6. Approach – 90 to 95 KIAS
GO AROUND
1. Throttle – FULL WEP
2. Landing Gear – UP
3. Wing Flaps – 30 DEGREES
4. Climb Speed – 125 KIAS
5. Wing Flaps – UP ONE NOTCH AT A TIME
AFTER LANDING
1. Arresting Hook – UP (Carrier)
2. Wing Flaps – UP
3. Tail Wheel – UNLOCK (Field)

EMERGENCIES
ENGINE FAILURE DURING TAKEOFF ROLL
1. Throttle – IDLE
2. Elevator – EASE TAIL WHEEL ONTO RUNWAY
3. Brake – GENTLY and FIRMLY
ENGINE FAILURE IMMEDIATELY AFTER TAKEOFF
1. Speed – BEST GLIDE 140 KIAS
2. Landing Gear – UP
3. Canopy – OPEN
4. Ignition Switch – OFF
5. Flaps – DOWN
ENGINE FAILURE DURING FLIGHT - FORCED LANDING
1. Speed – BEST GLIDE 140 KIAS
2. Emergency Field – IDENTIFY
3. Landing Gear – UP
4. Canopy – OPEN
5. Ignition Switch – OFF
6. Flaps – DOWN
BAIL-OUT
1. Altitude – CHECK MINIMUM 1000 AGL
2. Attitude – LEVEL
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: Fud on September 01, 2011, 01:35:49 PM
In a meeting at the HT headquarters the conversation went something like this:

HT:         Hey guys, wana make Fud cry?
Scuzzy:   Cool idea  :aok
SyperFly:  :x
Sadz:       :rock
Scuzzy:   OK, but how to do it . . . . Hmmmmm  :headscratch:
HT:          Lets set flaps on the F4U automatically.  That should do it  :devil
Superfly:  Ohhhhhhhh  :salute
Scuzzy:   No wonder you are the boss  :old:
Sadz:       :furious Why can;t I think of cool things like that.

Well, it is not exactly how it went but I am sure it is close to it  :lol

It is a question not a whine...I was just curious that's all...It doesn't bother me one way or the other.
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: Fud on September 01, 2011, 01:38:23 PM
Oh cool a new one I haven't seen.  This is the one I come across the most when I looked up the subject.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?topic=211618.0

There are allot of older ones to going all the way back to 2000 I think.

I would agree with Krusty its not something I really want I would prefer to control the flaps myself. But I don't have to take my hands of my controls and I'm not fighting 30+ pounds of feedback in the controls.

I wasn't referring to auto flaps in that way. On auto take off in the hog, the flaps are set for takeoff. Just curious why AH set the plane that way?
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: AWwrgwy on September 01, 2011, 02:14:05 PM
B-29 as well, for the same reason.

IIRC, all Heavies used to take off with flaps and someone would forget to raise them and wonder why they were flying so slowly.


wrongway
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: JOACH1M on September 01, 2011, 02:19:33 PM
Set up a heavy F4U1C in the hanger, then take off with no flaps.  Then you tell us why.
Your on  :devil
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: kvuo75 on September 01, 2011, 03:15:16 PM
Did some research and found this Info....here's the complete checklist for the F4u
Vle – 200 KIAS

 :headscratch:

I thought it was considerably higher.. 300+kts ??

Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: dedalos on September 01, 2011, 04:29:32 PM
It is a question not a whine...I was just curious that's all...It doesn't bother me one way or the other.

I was just being funny  :neener:
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: Fud on September 01, 2011, 07:08:11 PM
I was just being funny  :neener:
:D
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: M0nkey_Man on September 01, 2011, 09:24:42 PM
I always put mine down 2 notches on carrier takeoff to be safe
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: MK-84 on September 02, 2011, 10:10:20 PM
WOW, just wow.

Flaps are preset that way so that it's possible to use auto-takeoff from a carrier withought putting it in the drink with a full load.

DUH

Seriously really :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: nrshida on September 03, 2011, 12:29:53 AM
Fud wouldn't know. He doesn't do carriers.
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: Fud on September 03, 2011, 10:49:59 AM
Fud wouldn't know. He doesn't do carriers.
Unless they put one at the lake lol. I have a feeling it's rudder would get stuck in the mud though lol
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: lunatic1 on September 03, 2011, 11:29:56 AM
hey where is my ground crew to prep my prop???????????? :mad:
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: SAJ73 on September 03, 2011, 01:29:46 PM
I find the auto flaps thingy on the f4u's just irritating.. I think it would be alot better to just drop the flaps 2 notches when needed, because if you don't take off from a carrier much you don't really need them for a normal takeoff.

Instead of dropping the 2 notches the few times they are needed, we now have to raise them each and every time we take off from a field and don't really need flaps instead. But I am starting to get used to raising flaps now, it was most annoying in the start when that patch came out..

And I do fly f4u's alot, so getting used to things is not really the problem. It's more about getting tired of little issues in the long run now..  :rolleyes:

To top the icing they could add the f4u's folded wings also while they're at it. That's another carrier thing..
But I guess I would just hate it when sitting on a field runway surrounded by vulcher's, waiting for my wings to unfold before takeoff..  :furious :noid
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: guncrasher on September 03, 2011, 01:38:41 PM
I use no flaps as I am rolling off the cv to get better speed, when I clear the deck I deploy some to help with the extra ord weight.

semp
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: Sunka on September 03, 2011, 11:37:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fly972Mc1T0


 :aok
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: skorpion on September 03, 2011, 11:45:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fly972Mc1T0


 :aok
:rofl i knew before i even clicked on the link that i would see that video, never before has a carrier operation concealed so much fail.    :banana:
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: guncrasher on September 04, 2011, 01:36:48 AM
lol that's the funniest film I have ever seen  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl.  I bet that cv was ranked #1 in that tour.  :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:



semp
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: MachFly on September 04, 2011, 02:10:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fly972Mc1T0


 :aok

 :rofl
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: SAJ73 on September 04, 2011, 05:00:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fly972Mc1T0


 :aok

OMG...  :uhoh

Perhaps they better leave the autoflaps then, just for safety...  :joystick: 


 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Auto flaps
Post by: lunatic1 on September 04, 2011, 06:54:27 AM
they were lucky the cv wasnt turning