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Title: lend lease or bought and borrowed
Post by: Klam on September 04, 2011, 05:21:18 PM
Hi,

I like the custom arena idea.  I want to select an authentic plane/vehicle set pertaining to the years 1939-41.
A Brit/German battle over the English channel.  !!This theatre only!!   Not sure if C202's were there.

Am going to do a trawl thru' Wiki and build a list of planes/vehic's that we had from the USA at that time (if any). Either bought/borrowed/stolen or dragged out of scrap yards for the effort. 

Any help appreciated

<S>

Klam
Title: Re: lend lease or bought and borrowed
Post by: Shane on September 04, 2011, 05:38:33 PM
You watched Pearl Harbor didn't you?  :noid

'39-41 over the channel... none.

there were of course a variety of foreign planes on hand being evaluated, but not in operational combat.

109e/110c/stuka vs spit/hurri1 is it as represented by the planeset we have.  '42 and beyond is when you see american stuff getting into the mix. The Brits utilized most of the lend-lease stuff in the Pac, anyway.

If you want to see a mix, your best best is to look at the eastern front in '42-43... or the CBI/Pacific.
<edit: also take a look at the African/Med/Italian campaigns.)
Title: Re: lend lease or bought and borrowed
Post by: Karnak on September 04, 2011, 05:57:23 PM
'41 would have the Spit Vb, Hurricane IIc, Boston Mk III and Bf109F-4 as well.
Title: Re: lend lease or bought and borrowed
Post by: Shane on September 04, 2011, 06:01:40 PM
true... but he's really looking for a way in include lend lease stuff.
Title: Re: lend lease or bought and borrowed
Post by: Karnak on September 04, 2011, 06:06:49 PM
Boston Mk III I think is the only thing used on that front in '39-'41 that is lend lease and in the game.
Title: Re: lend lease or bought and borrowed
Post by: Rino on September 04, 2011, 10:08:32 PM
     When did the RAF start operating Coastal Command Liberators?  Admittedly they didn't go anywhere near the
continent  :D
Title: Re: lend lease or bought and borrowed
Post by: Ack-Ack on September 04, 2011, 10:27:19 PM
     When did the RAF start operating Coastal Command Liberators?  Admittedly they didn't go anywhere near the
continent  :D

1943 I think.

ack-ack
Title: Re: lend lease or bought and borrowed
Post by: Klam on September 05, 2011, 03:35:05 AM
Thanks for the help

Just out of interest, what were the French/Dutch/Polish and Belgium flying, when the whole thing kicked off circa 1939?
Title: Re: lend lease or bought and borrowed
Post by: Karnak on September 05, 2011, 04:55:32 AM
Thanks for the help

Just out of interest, what were the French/Dutch/Polish and Belgium flying, when the whole thing kicked off circa 1939?


Belgians had a Hurricane Mk I armed with four 12.7mm guns.  That is the closest anything in AH comes to what those nations had.  You might be able to substitute a P-40B for the Hawk 75 flown by the French and a D3A1 for the PZL P.11 flown by the Poles.
Title: Re: lend lease or bought and borrowed
Post by: mipoikel on September 05, 2011, 05:43:35 AM
The Falco and Regia Aeronautica in the Battle of Britain

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/falco_bob.htm
Title: Re: lend lease or bought and borrowed
Post by: Klam on September 05, 2011, 07:44:33 AM
mipoikel Sir,  thanks for the link.....<S>
Title: Re: lend lease or bought and borrowed
Post by: Tilt on September 07, 2011, 03:13:30 AM
F4F Martlet ?
Title: Re: lend lease or bought and borrowed
Post by: Mashed71 on September 15, 2011, 03:19:28 AM
     When did the RAF start operating Coastal Command Liberators?  Admittedly they didn't go anywhere near the
continent  :D

June 1941 - 120 Squadron based out of Nutts Corner,  Northern Ireland.
Title: Re: lend lease or bought and borrowed
Post by: Scotty55OEFVet on September 15, 2011, 05:53:09 AM
Belgians had a Hurricane Mk I armed with four 12.7mm guns.

Really...that would be interesting because 12.7mm are much more powerful than .303's. Makes you wonder why the RAF Spitfire's and Hurricane' were not also armed with 12.7mm MGs instead of the BB guns.
Title: Re: lend lease or bought and borrowed
Post by: Karnak on September 15, 2011, 03:31:09 PM
Really...that would be interesting because 12.7mm are much more powerful than .303's. Makes you wonder why the RAF Spitfire's and Hurricane' were not also armed with 12.7mm MGs instead of the BB guns.
Logistics.  The British had decided in 1938 that heavier guns were going to be needed, but that going to HMGs was not enough of an increase and would, at best, be a stopgap measure.  They decided to skip over the HMGs and go straight to 20mm cannons.
Title: Re: lend lease or bought and borrowed
Post by: Klam on September 15, 2011, 06:16:45 PM
Just read that we had a delivery of Bell P-39 "Aircobra".....flew them in 1941.
First combat mission was hitting some barges in Holland.

After that we used them for training until some mod's were carried out.
Title: Re: lend lease or bought and borrowed
Post by: Scotty55OEFVet on September 15, 2011, 08:28:29 PM
Logistics.  The British had decided in 1938 that heavier guns were going to be needed, but that going to HMGs was not enough of an increase and would, at best, be a stopgap measure.  They decided to skip over the HMGs and go straight to 20mm cannons.

Ahhh, I was talkin more like the set of 20mm Cannon and the 4 12.7mm. That would have been just ridiculous lol! :O
Title: Re: lend lease or bought and borrowed
Post by: Karnak on September 15, 2011, 10:30:22 PM
Ahhh, I was talkin more like the set of 20mm Cannon and the 4 12.7mm. That would have been just ridiculous lol! :O
The four 12.7mm guns were in place of the eight .303 guns on the RAF Hurricane Mk Is.  Had the RAF used the four 12.7mm gunned Hurricane Mk I (and I agree it was a superior armament over the eight .303s) the 12.7mm guns would all have been replaced by the four 20mm cannon when they went to the Hurricane Mk IIc.