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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ToeTag on September 04, 2011, 07:26:54 PM
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OK....so I was going through my gun cabinet and cataloging my guns.. I was on the browning site and I have a 1972 20 ga. that is fine for modern shotgun shells. I also have a 1953 12 ga. that according to some sites is not ok for modern shells. Anyone know for sure? I don't want to buy a new barrel to be able to shoot it. I guess I will if I have to though. :headscratch:
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If your having second thoughts, have it checked out by a qualified Gunsmith. Or you could contact Browning, just have your SN# in hand, they will let you know the story on what to, and not to shoot thru it.
I have a 1955 (Serial# series L56*****) Belgium Browning A5 that functions fine on standard 2 3/4" shotshells. On a side note, do not shoot steel shot thru it. It could bulge the bbl at the base of the choke. You should be OK shooting Bismuth thru it, as its the closest thing to lead available, but
ultimately, when in doubt, have it checked out. :aok
Heres a link to Browning Customer Service
http://www.browning.com/customerservice/qna/detail.asp?id=35
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I have two both made back in the '30s. A 16ga and a 12ga. They are the Jewels of my collection and are the "duckiest" shotguns I own.
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what do you shoot through them?
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They suck, I'll pay you $200 for the lot simply to take them off your hands and keep your hands safe. It's the least I can do...
(lucky dog)
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First, stay away from steel shot in either gun, more so the older one. Second, stay away from modern high brass shells especially in the older one. Most of the modern day shotgun ammo with the high brass pushes the limits for the sake of "performance".
If at all possible, use the low brass 2 3/4in non-magnum shells. I have a Remington Mod. 11 (same exact shotgun but stamped Remington, they made the gun under license from Browning for a number of years) and it shoots anything well, but I never shoot steel. Bismouth is good, but expensive.
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what do you shoot through them?
At first I shot lead, obviosly, then had to change to bizmuth, and then later, tungsten. They dont go out often but once or twice a year the old Brownings go out. I used to have a hole in some woods, right out of Duckman videos, and the Sweet 16 was right at home there. I had both opened to Imp/Cyl, which is what I screw into my modern duckers anyways. I only kill birds over the dekes. Even Geese I dont shoot anymore unless Ive fooled them and got them in the spread.
If Im shooting a spot where numbers matter i can be a total Loon. Ive gotten up at 0300 to put out 1,200 goose Sils and fulls, or huge spreads of duck floaters.
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They suck, I'll pay you $200 for the lot simply to take them off your hands and keep your hands safe. It's the least I can do...
(lucky dog)
sounds like someone is trying to get one heel of a deal!
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If Im shooting a spot where numbers matter i can be a total Loon. Ive gotten up at 0300 to put out 1,200 goose Sils and fulls, or huge spreads of duck floaters.
Good times right there.
Put those A5's away and get yourselves a Benelli and stop wasting your time. Keep in ming I have an A5 as well. Time to yield to the new generation of waterfowl devastation weapons. :D
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Good times right there.
Put those A5's away and get yourselves a Benelli and stop wasting your time. Keep in ming I have an A5 as well. Time to yield to the new generation of waterfowl devastation weapons. :D
Which is why I have my Browning Gold and BPS 10ga. ;) The A-5s are for timber and nostalgia.
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Which is why I have my Browning Gold and BPS 10ga. ;) The A-5s are for timber and nostalgia.
You went from bad to worse........
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You went from bad to worse........
I started waterfowling in 1965, which is 8 years before 1973....sonnie
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I started waterfowling in 1965, which is 8 years before 1973....sonnie
You stand beside me with your browning and find out your still shooting like it's 1965, cuz our not gonna get anything.....grampie
and he count
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The old Browning models made in Belgium are worth, not at auction actually worth, around $1500. Back then they didn't make the barrels to stand up to steel shot. However, they can still take a modern load, but I would not shoot a magnum out of it. I haven't researched that part but I don't think many have and aren't willing to try either. I know this because my father has a 1950's Belgium Browning.
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Good times right there.
Put those A5's away and get yourselves a Benelli and stop wasting your time. Keep in ming I have an A5 as well. Time to yield to the new generation of waterfowl devastation weapons. :D
I see you drank the Benelli kool-aid. You are too far gone to save, so keep drinking. If you **really** think Benelli is all that, you are sadly mistaken. Lemme guess, you think Glock is "the best" too??? :bhead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid
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I Lemme guess, you think Glock is "the best" too??? :bhead
Hey scrooge you buddy :D :D :D :D :D
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I see you drank the Benelli kool-aid. You are too far gone to save, so keep drinking. If you **really** think Benelli is all that, you are sadly mistaken. Lemme guess, you think Glock is "the best" too??? :bhead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid
What are you hunting with Glock???
I've hunted waterfowl since the age of twelve. I have used just about every brand of shotguns there are. benelli just rocks all of them. Go see for yourself.
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I see you drank the Benelli kool-aid. You are too far gone to save, so keep drinking. If you **really** think Benelli is all that, you are sadly mistaken. Lemme guess, you think Glock is "the best" too??? :bhead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid
Young hunters cant seem to figure out its the shooter/hunter and not the shotgun. I guided at several waterfowl clubs and when that bennelli hit the market all the "3 times a year Hunters" with big paychecks were buying them so fast you couldnt find one if you wanted one. I dont like their balance and their speed means nothing to me cause Im from the old school where'as you aim at one duck, kill it, then take another if you can. And if you cant? Then who cares?
All the hunting and killing Ive done and the only thing that matters is how I protected and helped save the sport for our youngsters. I'd just as soon as never kill again and just take kids out. The Bennelli is a good gun but it reminds me of those $5 shirts with the $15 alligators patches sewn on them.
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All the hunting and killing Ive done and the only thing that matters is how I protected and helped save the sport for our youngsters. I'd just as soon as never kill again and just take kids out. The Bennelli is a good gun but it reminds me of those $5 shirts with the $15 alligators patches sewn on them.
no offense but you judge the book by it's cover and you look like an idiot to me. I jump shoot waterfowl on rivers and streams. That takes a lot of sneaking about. The Benelli has the smoothest most quiet action out there. It is totally waterproof. The saftey features alone blow the competition out of the water. Tom Knapp seems to think so too, seeing as how he has a Benelli with over 400,000 rounds fired through it with no breakdowns hanging in the smithsonian.
Go get one and wake up to perfection. :D
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your all pansies for having to kill deer with a gun :uhoh
ARCHERY FTW! :rock
^ that is the only real way to kill a deer. not with a gun that can possibly ruin the meat on the animal, i had a friend who's dad used a winchester .308 on a deer and he didnt get to use the back left leg or the right front leg because the bullet tore up so much meat the way it passed thru.
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your all pansies for having to kill deer with a gun :uhoh
I use a flintlock to hunt deer, cap and ball is the way to go.
I hate these shows about hunting where they drive a guy in a jeep up to the animals being hunted, in a range that has 12 feet tall fence around it and shoot the animal in question with a high powered rifle from like less than 100 yards away.
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I use a flintlock to hunt deer, cap and ball is the way to go.
I hate these shows about hunting where they drive a guy in a jeep up to the animals being hunted, in a range that has 12 feet tall fence around it and shoot the animal in question with a high powered rifle from like less than 100 yards away.
:bhead theres at least 20 of those close to the city that i live in.
but if its a flintlock, then its a bit better, as that actually takes skill.
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:bhead theres at least 20 of those close to the city that i live in.
but if its a flintlock, then its a bit better, as that actually takes skill.
What? should i get a compound bow and a " tree stand " ?????
Stalking deer in NW Ohio with cap&ball is a challenge as it is.
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What? should i get a compound bow and a " tree stand " ?????
Stalking deer in NW Ohio with cap&ball is a challenge as it is.
i only do ground hunting, but sometimes ill do a deer stalk. when i did my first deer stalk (lol this sounds so creepy) i got a 6 point buck, pretty good sized. but, im most likely not going to use a treestand like some people do. if i really want to, ill go gun hunting (pellet gun that shoots like a .22 but is MUCH quieter) for squirrel/rabbit. the way i hunt is very different from the "modern" bowhunter. to me its just more fun.
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What are you hunting with Glock???
I've hunted waterfowl since the age of twelve. I have used just about every brand of shotguns there are. benelli just rocks all of them. Go see for yourself.
Wasnt talking about hunting with a Glock. ;) Just making a point that so many people cling to a particular brand of whatever that they lose track of reality. Benelli isnt any better than Browning, Remington, or even the lowly Winchester or Mossberg. Different and innovative perhaps, but more different than "better". I too have been hunting since I was old enough to legally go out on my own (in IA that is 12 once you have the Hunter Safety Certificate), back then it was mostly pheasant, wabbit, squirrel, and some coyote. I didnt hunt waterfowl until I was in high school and I did it both ways (blinds and stalk/jump the pond). I added turkey, prairie dog shooting, deer, and antelope in college. Today, I mostly do antelope, pheasant, coyote, and an occasional deer or 2. I've hunted with everything except a bow and that is only because I am satisfied with what I do now. I reload my own ammo (not shotgun). I shoot competitively in national matches with a Garand and an AR-15, I shoot in a combat handgun league with a Sig226/9mm (my duty gun) and an AR-15"A4", and I dabble in a clay pigeon course a few times a year for charity. I used to be a certified law enforcement instructor for handguns. This I know: the shooter truly is the key. No brand, caliber, gauge, etc of gun is worth of hoot if the shooter does not do their part. I've seen time and time again the old vet break out his 30 year old Remington Wingmaster and out shoot some new high dollar yupee and his $2000 "skeet gun". I've seen the old vet take out his Model 10 revolver and out shoot some punk "ex-marine" and his Beretta 92 on the combat handgun course. I watched and old vet use an old SP-1 on the open sight carbine course and beat guys (in a big way, too) 1/3 his age with new shiny M4's with Timney triggers, special irons, and all the other tactical BS. On and on and on. I dont care what shotgun you think is "the best", it is just a gun. Your gun is just a gun. If it fits you then fine, if you shoot it good then fine. But I challenge you to hold your tongue even if you truly believe that the Benelli shotgun of yours that smells like kool-aid is "the best there is", because it isnt. There isnt such a thing. Get over it.
BTW... if we are ever in the same neck of the woods sometime, I'll take my Browning Gold "Upland" vs you and your Koolaid-elli in a friendly competition. I'm sure we can find a clay pigeon course somewhere nearby. ;) :aok Winner gets a case of their favorite beer. I like Sam Adams this time of year. :D
Oh, and just in case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid ;)
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Need an open field, I carry the hand thrower with me.
and this super nova only costs 512.00$$$$
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Need an open field, I carry the hand thrower with me.
and this super nova only costs 512.00$$$$
You are basing your argument on a Super Nova??? :huh
Hand throwers are fine, but they are rather 1 dimensional don't you think? :)
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Young hunters cant seem to figure out its the shooter/hunter and not the shotgun. I guided at several waterfowl clubs and when that bennelli hit the market all the "3 times a year Hunters" with big paychecks were buying them so fast you couldnt find one if you wanted one. I dont like their balance and their speed means nothing to me cause Im from the old school where'as you aim at one duck, kill it, then take another if you can. And if you cant? Then who cares?
All the hunting and killing Ive done and the only thing that matters is how I protected and helped save the sport for our youngsters. I'd just as soon as never kill again and just take kids out. The Bennelli is a good gun but it reminds me of those $5 shirts with the $15 alligators patches sewn on them.
I know right? the only people that know what they are doing are the ones with the "small paychecks" and poor command of their own language. Not to mention that Benelli is made, not here :O
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You are basing your argument on a Super Nova??? :huh
Hand throwers are fine, but they are rather 1 dimensional don't you think? :)
I jump shoot 85% of the time, so I like throwing rabbits real low to the ground. ducks don't always fly the same way like a clay does.
You doubt the super nova???? :huh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7QpjM4tC3A&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jKu_Eu5-mA
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I like the Browning Gold Hunter...... but then I like XDm. :D
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no offense but you judge the book by it's cover and you look like an idiot to me. I jump shoot waterfowl on rivers and streams. That takes a lot of sneaking about. The Benelli has the smoothest most quiet action out there. It is totally waterproof. The saftey features alone blow the competition out of the water. Tom Knapp seems to think so too, seeing as how he has a Benelli with over 400,000 rounds fired through it with no breakdowns hanging in the smithsonian.
Go get one and wake up to perfection. :D
Your a fool. A Punk and a fool.
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oh i can just feel the love in this thread.... ^^^^^
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Benellis are good guns, sure.
If someone gave me one... I'd sell it and buy another A5 to go with the two I already have, right beside the 30-06 BAR and the camo'd BPS pump magnum 12.
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your all pansies for having to kill deer with a gun :uhoh
This thread is about shotguns used for shooting birds. WTF are you talking about shooting deer?
ARCHERY FTW! :rock
^ that is the only real way to kill a deer. not with a gun that can possibly ruin the meat on the animal, i had a friend who's dad used a winchester .308 on a deer and he didnt get to use the back left leg or the right front leg because the bullet tore up so much meat the way it passed thru.
Learning to aim would help keep that meat from being ruined. Just a tip.
I've shot plenty of deer and hogs with my 30.06 Browning BAR and never had a problem with ruined meat.
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Just in case you're wondering, the top one is for birds, the bottom one is for large 2 or 4 legged critters at long ranges. :aok
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Your a fool. A Punk and a fool.
I love you 2
You could jump shoot on the river if there was a path for your walker running next to it I understand your upset. :banana:
Re-read my earlier post, I already have a A5 as well as many other guns listed and not listed on here.
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LOL. I've "jump shot" on a river, even though it is illegal here in SC (I do not advocate illegal hunting, FWIW, I was young and stupid, and we passed the game warden on the way to the landing, he and his boat and trailer were stuck in a ditch :devil ). I had the A5 that day, medium choke. Bagged 2 doubles, and a triple, on wood ducks, plus 2 gadwalls and a black duck as singles. The triple was with #2 steel shot and a plug in the gun, as all we had was steel.... and the 3rd shot was 50+ yards at 90 degrees, tree top height. I know because to this day 24 years later I know the exact spot where my boat was when I fired, and where I collected the duck on the far bank of the Waccamaw river. Lucky shot, no doubt, single pellet killed him. :devil
But still, the A5 is no slouch.
Like I said..... I'd sell that Eye-talian gun and buy me another Browning. ;)
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Brownings are over rated and have way more recoil than the benelli.
Jump shooting isn't illegal in Ohio. Were not in a major fly zone here.
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Brownings are over rated and have way more recoil than the benelli.
Jump shooting isn't illegal in Ohio. Were not in a major fly zone here.
Take it easy on the Kool-aid, sparky.
Benelli makes a good shotgun. Browning makes a good everything. An A5 is hands down one of the best proven firearms in the history of firearms and I'd love to get my hands on a good copy of a Belgian made one for the right price or without waiting for my uncle to pass away to inherit his.
If you want to start throwing out one having more recoil than another, you've lost me in the discussion. 2 things:
1.) Newton
2.) Man up.
I won't listen and give stock to your argument of a Browning being "overrated" when you're slogging around a Nova. The gun doesn't makes the marksman. The weapon doesn't make the hunter. Plenty of knuckleheads take their Novas and Super Novas out without being able to hit the broad side of a barn and say the same things about how technically superior the brochure calls their gun. Well, over a century has passed since John Browning got that one right so I'd sure as heck that with 100 years of technology to draw from it would be.
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I have hunted with my A5, many shells have been ejected.
The Super Nova recoil system allows you to pick up the targets way better, and it just shoots really smooth.
Now a better made firearm is my trap gun. And yes the shotgun does make a difference. Perazzi shotguns can make a big difference.
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I think what many are getting at here is that if you believe that a certain gun makes it better for you, then it does for you. Don't knock down another firearm because you have trouble with it. Everyone's different, shoots different, stands different, pulls the trigger rather then squeeze it, can't take a kick bigger then what a .22 can produce,........... :bolt:
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Keep in mind I have an A5 as well.
It makes it better and more productive is what I meant.
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Good times right there.
Put those A5's away and get yourselves a Benelli and stop wasting your time. Keep in ming I have an A5 as well. Time to yield to the new generation of waterfowl devastation weapons. :D
HOW DARE YOU SLIGHT JOHN MOSES BROWNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MER'ICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I own an A5 (1955) and IMHO my 2 Benelli shotguns (M1 tactical and Super Black Eagle) are by far better hunting guns. The Tactical i have set up for slug hunting deer. The SBE I use for waterfowl and on occasion sporting clays (when i dont feel like cleaning my Beretta O/U, my Citori, or the weather isn't the best). I can shoot 200 rounds on the course with my Benelli and be no worse for wear, Its down right pleasant to shoot. The A5 after a day of active upland bird hunting (pheasants / quail / Chucker etc can really wear on the shoulder, to the point that i normally keep it in the guncase and grab my SBE. With the lack of recoil, my secondary shots (if im shooting at 2 birds), and target re-acquisition (if i miss one) are much quicker. Heck, my M1 Tactical with 3" Brenneke slugs doesnt buck as bad as the A5.
Not knocking Browning in anyway, I work in a gunshop / indoor range P/T and we sell a ton of them, and I myself also own 4 Brownings, an A5, a Citori Grade VI O/U, a BPS and an ABolt) but when it comes to my everyday hunting shotguns,I always seem to grab my Benelli, in a word, they have perfected the semi auto shotgun and their inertia recoil system......period.
Oh.......and Reaper, that rifle looks like a really nic set up, I wish like heck we could hunt in PA with Semi Auto rifles :aok
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Technology scares some people mbailey. M1 tactical is puttin the serious scunion on some deer. With those hornaday slugs you can drop a deer at 250 easy. My hunting parter since we was kids uses the M1 Tactical and last year he dropped 3 deer at 175+, he is old school as far as waterfowl goes, he uses a Marlin bolt action " Goose Master " with the 36" barrel.
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Technology scares some people mbailey. M1 tactical is puttin the serious scunion on some deer. With those hornaday slugs you can drop a deer at 250 easy. My hunting parter since we was kids uses the M1 Tactical and last year he dropped 3 deer at 175+, he is old school as far as waterfowl goes, he uses a Marlin bolt action " Goose Master " with the 36" barrel.
(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii34/JadgTankker/inertia_exploded_cutaway.jpg)
Damn, you really did drink the Benelli kool-aid. The "technology" they are using is nothing new, I think it was the French around WWI who first used the inertia system in an MG design that Benelli is trumpeting as their own. Or was it the Czechs? I forgot. Either way, I'll give them credit for using plastics and alloys in new manners, but still they are nothing to place on a pedestal.
250 yards with a shotgun slug? Maybe with damned good optics.
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250 yards with a shotgun slug? Maybe with damned good optics.
just a 10X leupold with the optic ring in the sight, it glows bright in the early morning.
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While it's more juvenile than I'd like it to be, I'm curious if you're just that bad at hunting if you can't get within 175 yards of a deer or if you're simply irresponsible taking those shots just because you can. I won't be able to help you pick, you already know which it is.
The longest shots I've taken at whitetails in the last 15 years (all Ohio, therefore shotgun) were around 130 yards. Each time I had a rest, firing at a standing target and the conditions weren't particularly challenging regarding wind and elevation changes. The vast majority of the rest were inside 20 yards with a few in the 50-100 yard range but the overwhelming majority as I said were up close being as little as roughly 2 yards, give or take an inch.
I've seen enough guys with new (very capable) equipment talk a big game but don't have the chops to connect when it counts. You're acting like you fit that stereotype very well. Happy hunting.
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While it's more juvenile than I'd like it to be, I'm curious if you're just that bad at hunting if you can't get within 175 yards of a deer or if you're simply irresponsible taking those shots just because you can. I won't be able to help you pick, you already know which it is.
It's obvious you disect someones post as I was describing what my friend uses. If you never have used a hornaday round go buy you a pack.
I stated that I used a cap&ball flintlock to hunt deer with. I admire your attempt sir, but try again. I do appreciate the ankle warm up though.
My drop freezer beggs to differ.
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I use a flintlock to hunt deer, cap and ball is the way to go.
I hate these shows about hunting where they drive a guy in a jeep up to the animals being hunted, in a range that has 12 feet tall fence around it and shoot the animal in question with a high powered rifle from like less than 100 yards away.
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OK....so I was going through my gun cabinet and cataloging my guns.. I was on the browning site and I have a 1972 20 ga. that is fine for modern shotgun shells. I also have a 1953 12 ga. that according to some sites is not ok for modern shells. Anyone know for sure? I don't want to buy a new barrel to be able to shoot it. I guess I will if I have to though. :headscratch:
How did this turn into a flame session.......oh yea, Todd go start your own thread!
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How did this turn into a flame session
Someone didn't like someone else's opinion. It's the american way.
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You're not only offensive toward others firearms, you're pretty darn defensive about your own. Only one person seems to take it personal that others might prefer something other than a Benelli or Perazzi and that's you.
For the record, Browning Citori Special Trap is a darn good one and BT99's are hard to beat. Well over half of the shooters I shoot with regularly use BT99's and if I were going to buy a dedicated trap gun today that's what it would be. Krieghoffs are lovely shooters but I can't stomach spending the money when you get so much more value in the Browning line for example.
Summarily dismissing Browning firearms because you prefer something else is a pretty garbage way of going on about life.
You've demonstrated you don't know as much as you'd like to make us believe so I'm not going to address some of your statements on hunting. Until then, offer opinions on things you have experience with, not what your friend uses/does.
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OK....so I was going through my gun cabinet and cataloging my guns.. I was on the browning site and I have a 1972 20 ga. that is fine for modern shotgun shells. I also have a 1953 12 ga. that according to some sites is not ok for modern shells. Anyone know for sure? I don't want to buy a new barrel to be able to shoot it. I guess I will if I have to though. :headscratch:
The 1972 i would not worry about.
The 1953 I would get the new barrel on the basis that when that gun was made the majority of the shotgun shells being made were made of paper and had less powder inside. Since plastics have evolved in shotgun shells you can jam quite a bit of propellant in them. To keep the breech of that classic firearm from possibly exploding in your face I would get the new barrel.
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How did this turn into a flame session.......oh yea, Todd go start your own thread!
It was a fine discussion until a poster turned it into an insult-fest. Boy I wish there was an ignore function in this forum.
no offense but you judge the book by it's cover and you look like an idiot to me.
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It was a fine discussion until a poster turned it into an insult-fest. Boy I wish there was an ignore function in this forum.
There is under profile at the top of your page :D
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HOW DARE YOU SLIGHT JOHN MOSES BROWNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MER'ICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:rofl
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For the record, Browning Citori Special Trap is a darn good one and BT99's are hard to beat. Well over half of the shooters I shoot with regularly use BT99's and if I were going to buy a dedicated trap gun today that's what it would be. Krieghoffs are lovely shooters but I can't stomach spending the money when you get so much more value in the Browning line for example.
Ive shot a couple of Krieghoffs, and have had the pleasure of meeting Dieter Krieghoff ,the shop where their made is about 15mins from me (Ottsville PA). A Krieghoff is one of my "bucket list" guns......someday i will own one lol. My Citori is an amazing shotgun, i have a full set of Midas chokes for it, its a real clay bird breaker for sure (sporting clays). I only get it out on really nice days though, its a Grade VI. Dont shoot trap at all, but if i did, the BT99 would be my choice. If ya ever get up around the Qtown exit of the turnpike, we have a really nice sporting clays club (Powderbourne) Glad to bring ya along for a couple rounds Golfer. http://www.powderbourne.com/powderbourne-sporting-clays.htm
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I would gladly shoot skeet, just for fun by the way no flaming, against anyone here and they can choose which shotgun to shoot. It is the shooter who is accurate, however, a gun can make a crappy shooter better. Good shooters can have little trouble distinguishing. Most good shooters buy a gun that fits them well in the shoulder and grip. As far as what the OP originally asked, yes you can use modern shells in your A5. I've used them in my fathers belgium made browning and they shoot fine. They do not damage the barrel either. I would however avoid steel shot. Those guns were made in the day when lead wasn't such a hazard to health so it may, I'm not an expert on those barrels, may pit the inside of the barrel. All of the others in this thread who want to thump their chest about what gun is better, prove it on the range. If you can't prove it against another here, then shut up already. I've shot many different guns and I love my Remington 870 express magnum. Smooth shooting, everytime I bring the gun up the sight is right there, and is comfortable. That is the key, COMFORTABLE! Different shooters require different feels and tastes. Benelli may be your gun, but may be a piece of crap to someone else. As can be vise versa. But I'll stick with my Remington and I'll prove it on the range anyday.