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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: rpm on September 07, 2011, 06:40:24 AM
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Please? MiG v Sabre was the end/beginning of an era. The GV's would be a nice upgrade, too. :pray
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Please? MiG v Sabre was the end/beginning of an era. The GV's would be a nice upgrade, too. :pray
I have a feeling that a Korean Arena WAS in the making, but after seeing how ww1 didnt really take off, HTC is a bit shy to put there time&resources into creating another arena that may not get much attenchian.
But, we do have most the incrediants needed for a korean arena.
-We have the b29. American korean-era bomber. Would only take a bit of tweeking to turn it into the TU-4 for the russians.
-Have the t34, along with the Shermans for korean GV's. all we now need is the pershing.
-Have the corsairs and ponies. Just need the right models for Korea.
-From a screenshot of "hitechs garage" back when the b29 was developed, in the background you could see a mig and sabre hanging from the ceiling. So they already have them modeled. Which is the reason why i think a korean arena was on its way. Hitech most likely wanted to create a ww1 and korea era to mimic fighter ace and attempt to attract its crowd to AH. But like i said above, WW1 didnt really take off.
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You forgot that we have a Korea map also
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But, we do have most the incrediants needed for a korean arena.
-We have the b29. American korean-era bomber. Would only take a bit of tweeking to turn it into the TU-4 for the russians.
-Have the t34, along with the Shermans for korean GV's. all we now need is the pershing.
-Have the corsairs and ponies. Just need the right models for Korea.
The Chinese didn't receive the Tu-4 until the late 1950's, after the Korean War and besides, the Tu-4 never saw combat.
Hitech most likely wanted to create a ww1 and korea era to mimic fighter ace and attempt to attract its crowd to AH. But like i said above, WW1 didnt really take off.
When the WW1 arena was announced, it was before FA even announced it was going to close down and HiTech stated the WW1 arena's main intention was to use it as a defacto test server that they can test new things before rolling them out to the main arenas.
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Gah. No. It's the prop planes that brought me here, not the jets. -1
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There could be a jet arena with the already existing sabre/mig15, but hey, whats the point in it? How many people are flying in the (otherwise fun) ww1?
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it would be full of "vroom vroom hotard spixteen" squeakers...
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it would be full of "vroom vroom hotard spixteen" squeakers...
I wouldn't say "full".
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I'm drooling thinking about a Korea Arena....... I NEED THIS!!! :eek: :x :banana: :joystick:
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I'm drooling thinking about a Korea Arena....... I NEED THIS!!! :eek: :x :banana: :joystick:
You want to play in a US Air Force F-86 fratricide arena? Well, ok, to each their own.
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Look, it's not that I'm counting on an uber-aircraft dominated arena, I just love that era of warfare, thats all. Would love to see the aircraft modeled in such a good online sim such as this one.
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You want to play in a US Air Force F-86 fratricide arena? Well, ok, to each their own.
That would depend which model Sabre was put in. If its the earlier Sabres (A and B) then you'd probably see the majority of the players in MiG 15s and if it's either the E or F model Saber then you'd probably see a light perk on the E and a larger one on the F.
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You want to play in a US Air Force F-86 fratricide arena? Well, ok, to each their own.
What's wrong with that? It's not like they are super cool futuristic airplanes, we have airplanes that are 65 years old, with Korean war arena we'll have airplanes that are 60 years old.
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That would depend which model Sabre was put in. If its the earlier Sabres (A and B) then you'd probably see the majority of the players in MiG 15s and if it's either the E or F model Saber then you'd probably see a light perk on the E and a larger one on the F.
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We can balance it out with ENY and perks (as you said), or we can make it AvA style.
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There's a whole lot that can be added... enough to certainly satisfy many in my opinion. As said, different variations and ENY will help out. I think this idea need to stop getting crapped on by some. This has EPIC FUN potential written all over it. Yes AH is a WWII sim, and some just want it to stay that way. Fine, you have the arenas for it. But learn to share and expand into something new, and not necessarily so radical. A Korea theatre dosen't change much in tactics. Some lame 262 fights in the LW shouldn't be used to pass judgement, because there are numerous accounts of white knuckle, near-blackout fights from the war.
Sorry the digression, but wanted to cover some things ahead of time that I think others would trying and flak this with :salute :cheers: :old:
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I don't see how this would work out. Bombers spend all day flying to a target to be met by waves of MiGs? No thanks. If you get a MiG, I get a B-47
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I don't see how this would work out. Bombers spend all day flying to a target to be met by waves of MiGs? No thanks. If you get a MiG, I get a B-47
You get a B-29, which is fast if used right and has good armament.
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I don't see how this would work out. Bombers spend all day flying to a target to be met by waves of MiGs? No thanks. If you get a MiG, I get a B-47
Do you know what was the mig15s arnament? Just asking.
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Do you know what was the mig15s arnament? Just asking.
yes
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I dont think it would have much chance against a set of 29s... as even a 163 dont have so much.
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anybody wants to bet 20 bucks that if we ever get a korea arena, there wont be more than 5 guys playing there after the first couple of weeks?
semp
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You get a B-29, which is fast if used right and has good armament.
The B-29s were chewed up in Korea, pretty much rendered obsolete by the MiG 15. The fire control system on the B-29 wasn't intended to track fast moving planes like jets and had difficulty in tracking the MiG when the bombers were bounced. The B-29s were beaten up so badly that the bombers were forced to do night bombing missions as a defense against the MiG.
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The B-29s were chewed up in Korea, pretty much rendered obsolete by the MiG 15. The fire control system on the B-29 wasn't intended to track fast moving planes like jets and had difficulty in tracking the MiG when the bombers were bounced. The B-29s were beaten up so badly that the bombers were forced to do night bombing missions as a defense against the MiG.
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We had the same thing happen to B-17s in WWII before they got escorts. So it's really nothing special.
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anybody wants to bet 20 bucks that if we ever get a korea arena, there wont be more than 5 guys playing there after the first couple of weeks?
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No one is using WWI arena because we have only 4 airplanes there, non of which are bombers. The only thing you can do there is furball. For the Korean War we already have the B-29, F4U, and P-47; now if we'll get four new airplanes (like WWI) we'll have a good set of aircraft which will allow us to do the same stuff as we do in MA (not just furball).
I don't know this for a fact but I think we'll also be able to use late war Russian and US GVs in the Korean war arena. Perhaps a GV expect could clarify which tanks were used.
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centurion, churchill, cromwell, comet, m-10, m-18, m-24, m-26, m4, m-36, m-41, m-46, t-34/85, a few old models of su tank destroyers...
be a good excuse to have helicopters...and don't forget the ad-1 -4 skyraiders, corsairs and p-51s...f2h-2 banshee, f-10 skynight, f7f, f9f, f-80, f-84, f-94, yak-9p, la-9, mig-9
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centurion, churchill, cromwell, comet, m-10, m-18, m-24, m-26, m4, m-36, m-41, m-46, t-34/85, a few old models of su tank destroyers...
Thanks
So we have the M4 and T-34/85, think we can make a good GV battle this way. Maybe we'll even get Bar's favorite M-18.
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No one is using WWI arena because we have only 4 airplanes there, non of which are bombers. The only thing you can do there is furball. For the Korean War we already have the B-29, F4U, and P-47; now if we'll get four new airplanes (like WWI) we'll have a good set of aircraft which will allow us to do the same stuff as we do in MA (not just furball).
I don't know this for a fact but I think we'll also be able to use late war Russian and US GVs in the Korean war arena. Perhaps a GV expect could clarify which tanks were used.
what are the chances of the korean arena opening with 20 or 30 airplanes/gvs? even if it opens with that many it still wont have more than a few players except for the first month or two. we should just finish the ww2 plane set. perhaps a trail would be to have a user arena with 262's and 163's. see how well it is received.
semp
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The B-29s were chewed up in Korea, pretty much rendered obsolete by the MiG 15. The fire control system on the B-29 wasn't intended to track fast moving planes like jets and had difficulty in tracking the MiG when the bombers were bounced. The B-29s were beaten up so badly that the bombers were forced to do night bombing missions as a defense against the MiG.
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B17s/B24s were chewed up in WW2 aswell when unsupported.
Not so much here in aces high.
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what are the chances of the korean arena opening with 20 or 30 airplanes/gvs? even if it opens with that many it still wont have more than a few players except for the first month or two. we should just finish the ww2 plane set. perhaps a trail would be to have a user arena with 262's and 163's. see how well it is received.
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you are still ignoring the fact that The WWI arena is nothing but furball with 4 planes and has no point to it. If it was just like the WWII arena except with the correct plane set, i expect it to be just as popular as the LW arena is.
Also Hitech didnt really advertise for the WWI arena. The commercials i see are still all based on WWII... I wonder why that is?
I really just want to fly the skyraider. The 47 also saw Korean service.
here is a really good aircraft list...
http://www.korean-war.com/KWAircraft/index.html
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you are still ignoring the fact that The WWI arena is nothing but furball with 4 planes and has no point to it. If it was just like the WWII arena except with the correct plane set, i expect it to be just as popular as the LW arena is.
Also Hitech didnt really advertise for the WWI arena. The commercials i see are still all based on WWII... I wonder why that is?
I really just want to fly the skyraider. The 47 also saw Korean service.
here is a really good aircraft list...
http://www.korean-war.com/KWAircraft/index.html
Skyraider would be a cool aircraft to fly around but so would the NK Po-2 or Yak-18.
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B17s/B24s were chewed up in WW2 aswell when unsupported.
Not so much here in aces high.
They'd definitely get chewed up more because you'll have a jet that is faster than the jet we currently have and one that is able to perform excellently at the high altitudes the B-29 routinely flew, not to mention more hitting power. The MiG would have a far easier time intercepting and engaging B-29s at high altitudes in game, without any of the negatives that currently holds back the ME 262. It would be "Black Tuesday" all over again.
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They'd definitely get chewed up more because you'll have a jet that is faster than the jet we currently have and one that is able to perform excellently at the high altitudes the B-29 routinely flew, not to mention more hitting power. The MiG would have a far easier time intercepting and engaging B-29s at high altitudes in game, without any of the negatives that currently holds back the ME 262. It would be "Black Tuesday" all over again.
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But you have to take into account the fact that those mig15'ers were trained pilots who had their aim and flying abilities fine-tuned before ever being given their wings.
In AH, the majority of its numbers are casual players, Who arent in a squad that practice Gunnery or ACM's. I personally find Gunning from a stationary platform(Buff guns) is easier than gunning from a manuevering aircraft.
Sure, there would be a few skilled jet pilots who could shoot the buffs down with ease. But the majority of the group would consist of 2-weeker-level of skill's pilots zooming around in Jets. They'll prob look at the mig15's armaments, and think its safe to dead 6 the b29s, etc,etc.
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But you have to take into account the fact that those mig15'ers were trained pilots who had their aim and flying abilities fine-tuned before ever being given their wings.
In AH, the majority of its numbers are casual players, Who arent in a squad that practice Gunnery or ACM's. I personally find Gunning from a stationary platform(Buff guns) is easier than gunning from a manuevering aircraft.
Sure, there would be a few skilled jet pilots who could shoot the buffs down with ease. But the majority of the group would consist of 2-weeker-level of skill's pilots zooming around in Jets. They'll prob look at the mig15's armaments, and think its safe to dead 6 the b29s, etc,etc.
The vast majority of players in AH have more virtual flight time than their real world counterparts nor is the majority made up of "2-weeker-level of skill", you're just applying your own skill level to the rest of us. Just because you find it easier to aim from a bomber than a plane doesn't mean that's its true for anyone else. My hit ratio is far higher in a fighter than it is in a bomber, so for me it's the opposite.
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The vast majority of players in AH have more virtual flight time than their real world counterparts nor is the majority made up of "2-weeker-level of skill", you're just applying your own skill level to the rest of us. Just because you find it easier to aim from a bomber than a plane doesn't mean that's its true for anyone else. My hit ratio is far higher in a fighter than it is in a bomber, so for me it's the opposite.
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Oh yes ack, 10 yrs of nothing better to do with your life than play AH has turned you into a god of the game ;)
As i said, there would be a Fewgood pilots who wouldn t have trouble dealing with the b29s. But the majority would. It wouldnt become the slaughter it did in Korea.
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MiG-15 is moot. 90% of B-29 interceptions would be by F-86s.
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Korean arena = battle of the blackouts... :rofl
Unless HTC models "G"suits or raises the G limit{doubtful} the Korean planeset,whatever it would be,would be nothing more that trying to not blackout.
As much as I'd like to see this,I like alot of the planes involved,I could see interest fade quickly because of the constant blackouts.
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MiG-15 is moot. 90% of B-29 interceptions would be by F-86s.
Depending on which model...the early Sabres would have troubles intercepting a B-29 flying at high altitude whereas a MiG 15 wouldn't. It wasn't until after teh E and F models was the Sabre able to fly at the high altitudes that the MiG 15 was.
Korea War arena with early Sabres = Most in MiG 15s
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Korean arena = battle of the blackouts... :rofl
Unless HTC models "G"suits or raises the G limit{doubtful} the Korean planeset,whatever it would be,would be nothing more that trying to not blackout.
As much as I'd like to see this,I like alot of the planes involved,I could see interest fade quickly because of the constant blackouts.
I think that HTC would prepare for this and do as you said, either model G-suits or raise the G-limit. I mean c'mon, you really think all fights we're constant blackout anyhow???? :headscratch:
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Did G-suits exist in the 50s?
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I think that HTC would prepare for this and do as you said, either model G-suits or raise the G-limit. I mean c'mon, you really think all fights we're constant blackout anyhow???? :headscratch:
most people are going to yank their stick so hard that they will be blacking out and crashing every time. by the 10th time it happens they're gonna say forget this and go back to the ma. has anybody figure out which plane is going to carry the troops? just curious to think how easy it will be to swoop down and kill one at 600 mph before he has a chance to say "is that a red con?"
korea for sure will be nothing more than a ww1 with jets and of course bigger maps. korea was not really an air war that ww2 was. not even close. if we ever have one it will be empty as it wont be able to deliver the same level of fun as the ma. you can dream all you want but it wont happen.
semp
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Did G-suits exist in the 50s?
Yes. They were experimented with during ww2. The british had a mk1 G-suit and some american pilots recieved mk 2 suits in 1944. They became known as bladder suits i believe due to water being used.
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most people are going to yank their stick so hard that they will be blacking out and crashing every time. by the 10th time it happens they're gonna say forget this and go back to the ma. has anybody figure out which plane is going to carry the troops? just curious to think how easy it will be to swoop down and kill one at 600 mph before he has a chance to say "is that a red con?"
korea for sure will be nothing more than a ww1 with jets and of course bigger maps. korea was not really an air war that ww2 was. not even close. if we ever have one it will be empty as it wont be able to deliver the same level of fun as the ma. you can dream all you want but it wont happen.
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I think the same people who will be crashing in the Korean war are crashing in WWII, it's not going to change for them.
Regarding the goon extra 200mph for fighters is not going to make a difference. They are easy to kill now, they will remain that way.
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Yes. They were experimented with during ww2. The british had a mk1 G-suit and some american pilots recieved mk 2 suits in 1944. They became known as bladder suits i believe due to water being used.
Do you know what year they became operational with the USAF and US Navy?
Also does anyone know when Russians started using them?
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Do you know what year they became operational with the USAF and US Navy?
Also does anyone know when Russians started using them?
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/G-suit
Fun read.
Just dont tell eskimojoe i posted that link, He'll come in here and tell you its not accurate since its from an astronomy site :rolleyes:
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Do you know what year they became operational with the USAF and US Navy?
Also does anyone know when Russians started using them?
September of 1944 for the US and not sure if the Soviets used any at all during World War II like the rest of the Allies at the end. Not even really sure then they started to use them, Communist MiG 15 pilots didn't have a g-suit which gave an advantage to the US pilots during the Korean War.
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I see, ty.