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Imagine if you will, stepping back in time..The place… Leningrad.. The time.. The months between 1942-1943. The below set up represents a condensed glimpse of
The Siege of LeningradIn a pre-arranged move Finland declared war on Russia and, using German equipment, attacked from the north. They were looking to avenge the Winter War and “teach the Russkis a lesson.A massive German army approached Leningrad from the south-west while the Finnish army approached from the north. By early November Leningrad was completely surrounded and cut-off from the rest of Russia.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/map-len-giff.gif)
Featuring the high detail Karelia terrain! Please allow time for first load. Its worth the wait**************************************************
AXIS Objective: Surround and Destroy Leningrad!******************************************
AXIS/ROOK:ACTIVE BASES A6: 109F4,FWA-5,
A11:109G6,Ju88,
A12:109F4,FWA-5,Brewster
V17: Panzer IVH
V18: Panzer IVH
P32: Brewster,109G2,FWA-5,110G2,
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ALLIES Objective: Defend Mother Russia!**********************************
ALLIES/KNIGHT:ACTIVE BASES A13: La5N,P40E,P39D,P39Q,I16
A14: YAK9T,P39D,P39Q,P40E,La5N,1l2,Boston III
A15: Yak9T,P39D,P39Q,P40E,La5N,
T-34/76,T-34/85
V16: YAK9,La5N,P40E,Il2,I16,M16,T-34/76,T-34/85
P39D P39Q
(http://www.netaces.org/skins/p39d/skin2_tmb.jpg) (http://www.netaces.org/skins/p39q/default_tmb.jpg) (http://www.netaces.org/skins/p39q/skin4_tmb.jpg)
P40E Boston III
(http://www.netaces.org/skins/p40e/skin7_tmb.jpg) (http://www.netaces.org/skins/p40e/skin11_tmb.jpg) (http://www.netaces.org/skins/boston3/skin3_tmb.jpg)
La5N Il2
(http://www.netaces.org/skins/la5fn/skin2_tmb.jpg) (http://www.netaces.org/skins/la5fn/skin1_tmb.jpg) (http://www.netaces.org/skins/il23/default_tmb.jpg)
YAK9T T/34
(http://www.netaces.org/skins/yak9t/skin1_tmb.jpg) (http://www.netaces.org/skins/yak9t/default_tmb.jpg) (http://www.netaces.org/skins/t341943/skin1_tmb.jpg)
I16
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/2011-251-21-14-28-2-ahss8.jpg)
Axis
Ju88(http://www.netaces.org/skins/ju88a4/skin1_tmb.jpg)109F4 (http://www.netaces.org/skins/109f4/skin8_tmb.jpg)109G2(http://www.netaces.org/skins/109g2/skin3_tmb.jpg)(http://www.netaces.org/skins/109g2/skin2_tmb.jpg)(http://www.netaces.org/skins/109g2/skin5_tmb.jpg)(http://www.netaces.org/skins/109g2/skin14_tmb.jpg)
109G6(http://www.netaces.org/skins/109g6/skin4_tmb.jpg)(http://www.netaces.org/skins/109g6/skin13_tmb.jpg) Fw190A5(http://www.netaces.org/skins/190a5/skin6_tmb.jpg)(http://www.netaces.org/skins/190a5/skin14_tmb.jpg)(http://www.netaces.org/skins/190a5/skin10_tmb.jpg)(http://www.netaces.org/skins/190a5/skin2_tmb.jpg)
Brewster(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/2011-251-21-14-28-1-ahss7.jpg)Panzer(http://www.netaces.org/skins/panzr4h/skin3_tmb.jpg)
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Terrain looks NICE. thnxs btw for telling the proper skins raven :salute
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Cool.
:aok
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Can we have the M8 given to the germans as a substitute for the Leichter Panzerspähwagen SDKFZ 222?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leichter_Panzersp%C3%A4hwagen
http://www.theeasternfront.co.uk/Vehicles/german/germanarmoredcars.htm
And maybe give the germans the 75mm M3 as a substitute for the sdkfz234?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SdKfz_234
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Will try to get some time in the arena. Been flirting with the LA-5 as of late and it really is a fun bird. :aok
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Can we have the M8 given to the germans as a substitute for the Leichter Panzerspähwagen SDKFZ 222?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leichter_Panzersp%C3%A4hwagen
http://www.theeasternfront.co.uk/Vehicles/german/germanarmoredcars.htm
And maybe give the germans the 75mm M3 as a substitute for the sdkfz234?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SdKfz_234
More Iron will be deployed at the appropriate time, as Leningrad is encircled. :)
Will try to get some time in the arena. Been flirting with the LA-5 as of late and it really is a fun bird. :aok
Sounds great :aok Bring the rest of the porkers with you! somebody has to slap JG/54 around..... :D
BTW welcome sir ~S~
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To long to post above: so here is some info for those interested: Source: http://siege-of-leningrad.html
The Siege of Leningrad
From the outset of Operation Barbarossa the Wermacht held the advantage. Their tanks,
Panzer IIIs and Panzer IVs, far outclassed old Soviet BT-7s. German soldiers were highly motivated and led by brilliant commanders. The Luftwaffe cleared the skies of Soviet aircraft within the first few days of the invasion and German Stuka dive bombers smashed anything that moved. In addition, German troops were highly experienced after their conquest of Europe and they were high on their victories.
Soviet forces, in comparison, were of a much poorer quality. Political commissars were attached to every unit and they had a mandate to execute on the spot any soldier who they deemed as failing in their duty, including commanders. Soviet tanks were old and slow and their small guns couldn’t penetrate the armour of the Germans’ much better Panzers. The Red Air Force was practically wiped out.
So when the German Northern Army Group struck through the Baltics and drove towards Leningrad, 800 miles away, the Soviet defenders could do nothing to stop them. As the Wermacht drove through Latvia and Lithuania there was hardly any Soviet resistance: the Russians just ran away.
It wasn’t until August when the Germans reached Russian territory that Soviet defences stiffened. It wasn’t enough to hold the Panzers back, however, especially with complete German supremacy of the air.
Following the disasters at Minsk and Smolensk further south, the Red Army decided not to waste away its northern forces in one-sided battles against the Wermacht and instead pulled them back to Leningrad. There the soldiers and citizens, side by side, prepared the city for a battle bydigging trenches, barricading roads and buildings and setting up anti-aircraft guns on the roofs of tall buildings.
In a pre-arranged move Finland declared war on Russia and, using German equipment, attacked from the north. They were looking to avenge the Winter War and “teach the Russkis a lesson”.
A massive German army approached Leningrad from the south-west while the Finnish army approached from the north. By early November Leningrad was completely surrounded and cut-off from the rest of Russia.
After the Battle of Kiev, where the Germans had had to fight house-to-house for three months, Hitler decided that Leningrad wasn’t worth such a costly battle. So long as this strategic location was isolated it couldn’t pose a threat to the drive on Moscow, so he decided to besiege the city and “starve them out”. German and Finnish artillery ringed the historic city and Army Group North settled down in their trenches to stop anything from coming in or out.
Inside Leningrad the power and water was cut. The only supply route the city had was across Lake Ladoga. The Russians still held the far banks of this enormous inland sea, so every boat that could be found on the lake was requisitioned and food, medicine and ammunition were ferried across while civilians were ferried out of the city. As the boats made the journey day and night, they were under constant attack from German aircraft. Thousands died trying to keep Leningrad alive.
There was never enough food, however, and rationing was instituted in the city of 4 million. At the start of the siege adults were rationed to 100 grams of food per week, but as winter set in and there was no end in sight, that was reduced to 60 grams and then to 30 grams. Children were given less than 10 grams of food per week.
Coal, too, was rationed and by mid-November there was only enough coal to keep some key factories running. The average citizen had to shiver in their apartment without heat.
German artillery shelled the city constantly, and bombers raided it every day. Walking down the street became dangerous but Leningraders soon developed a dark sense of humour about it. “How was your run to work this morning?" people would ask each other.
As the worst winter in 40 years set in, people started dying. They starved to death, they froze to death, they were killed by bombs and shells, and disease spread throughout the city.
Lake Ladoga frozeover and Red Army engineers, under constant attack by the Luftwaffe, built an ice-road. Army trucks took over from the boats but it was still never enough. Leningrad required a bare minimum of 10,000 tons of food a day to survive, but the Army was only able to bring in 4,000 tons. They could only evacuate 2,000 civilians a week, starting with the elderly, children and mothers. Men and women without children could not be evacuated and had to endure the siege.
Many of the ice-truckers fell through bomb craters in the ice. Many of the trucks broke down in the harsh conditions. The ice-road was the only lifeline to Leningrad and the Russians were determined to keep it open. Red Army truckers were willing to sacrifice their lives if they could bring even one load of food to the people of the city.
By January the Germans were being pushed back from the gates of Moscow, but in Leningrad there was no relief in sight. 1,000 people a day were dying in Leningrad by February 1942.
In March the weather warmed and the snow thawed. The ice road was kept open as long as possible but eventually the Russians had to abandon it. Due to large ice flows boats could not cross it. In the city scenes of horror met the people as the snow melted and thousands of bodies were revealed. The people organized themselves into brigades and a massive cleanup was undertaken before disease spread. German guns shelled the city the entire time.
Almost as a miracle the city council was able to get a power connection to the Russian side of the lines and, for the first time since the siege began, the electric trams started working. Although they served no purpose militarily, they buoyed the spirits of the people. The standard fare of 10 kopyecka per passenger (free for children) was even maintained!
In April of 1942 the Red Army launched a limited offensive to the east of Leningrad. They were able to force open a corridor to the city in the German lines and rails were quickly laid by army engineers. By May, trains were bringing food and coal into the city. By this time the German drive onto the Caucasus’ was under way and most of the Luftwaffe planes were needed in the south, so the trains passed through relatively unharmed. 100,000 civilians were evacuated by August, when the Germans managed to pinch off the corridor and resume the siege.
Another autumn and another winter set in for Leningrad, still surrounded and under siege. This time, however, the city was prepared. Throughout the spring and summer every open piece of land was turned into a vegetable garden. Every piece of wood that could be torn off a doorframe or park bench was stockpiled for fuel. The trains had brought warm clothing and medicine and food, and most of the young, old and weak had been evacuated. An additional 100,000 Red Army soldiers had also been brought into the city to help out over the winter. The Germans still shelled and bombed the city but the winter of 1942-1943 was much better in comparison to the previous year. The death rate in Leningrad fell to under 100 per day.
Leningrad rode out the siege for the rest of the winter, and the Red Army garrison was even able to infiltrate behind German lines and wreak havoc with their supplies. In the spring of 1943, following the massive Soviet victory at Stalingrad, far to the south, the Red Army forced open the corridor to Leningrad again. This time the Germans weren’t able to close it. After the battles of Moscow and Stalingrad and the huge battle at Kursk they didn’t have the resources left to maintain all three army groups. Supplies poured into Leningrad, although the city was still in range of German artillery. By late 1943 the Soviets had regained control of the skies over northern Russia and German bombers could no longer roam freely over the city without being shot down.
In the winter of 1943-1944 the Soviets turned their attention to the German Army Group North. 1 million Soviet soldiers with 20,000 tanks, 8,500 artillery pieces and 1,500 aircraft attacked the forces surrounding Leningrad. By this point the Red Army was a different beast than it had been two years earlier. The fearsome T-34 tank could match the German Panzers in a head to head fight, their soldiers were not the down-trodden conscripts of 1941 but were a motivated and avenging citizen’s army defending their homeland. Most of the corrupt commissars had been replaced with driven professionals, and a string of impressive Soviet victories had lifted the spirits of the troops.
The German defences broke apart in the face of such a large offensive and entire divisions were overrun. Army Group North retreated west and the Finns quickly did an about face and pulled back to their own borders. The siege of Leningrad was over.
The siege had lasted 900 days and 1.1 million people died, the vast majority of them civilians, but Leningraders were proud that they had endured and that the “Venice of the North”, although scarred and battered, was still alive and still fighting.
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Have to muddy up my hubcaps on those runways. Nice setup NrRaven!!
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Well done, Raven! :aok
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Thanks Guys..Had a blast in there all day and night.. :aok
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Heavy Combat Loss's force Finnish Brewster squadron's to return to the island Kronstadt (P32) to undergo maintenance and repairs.
All Brewster squadron's will operate from Kronstadt until maintenance is completed.
(http://www.warbirdforum.com/buffbellyin.jpg)
(http://www.warbirdforum.com/herdbuffs.jpg)
Reserve squadron's of Hurricane1's have been landing in levashovo AXIS/Rook bases (A6, A12)
(http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/213330-1/Finnish++Hurricane)
VVS squadron's of IL2's have arrived Just north of Leningrad At Allied/Knight Base (A13)and are preparing for a counter strike
(http://www.mg-34.com/images/stories/photo/il-2%20over%20berlin.jpg)
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AXIS Objective: Surround and Destroy Leningrad!
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AXIS/ROOK:ACTIVE BASES
A6:109F4,FWA-5,Hurri1
A11:109G6,Ju88,
A12:109F4,FWA-5,Hurri1
V17:Panzer IVH
V18:Panzer IVH
P32:Brewster,109G2,FWA-5,110G2,Hurri1
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ALLIES Objective: Defend Mother Russia!
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ALLIES/KNIGHT:ACTIVE BASES
A13: La5N,P40E,P39D,I16, Il2
A14: YAK9T,P39D,P39Q,P40E,La5N,1l2,Boston III
A15: Yak9T,P39D,P39Q,P40E,La5N,
T-34/76,T-34/85
V16: YAK9,La5N,P40E,Il2,I16,
M16,T-34/76,T-34/85
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Question: Is there no night/day in the AvA? the arena time clock seems to never move, and ive never seen it be get dark. be cool if it actually did :(
Also, could the Axis have the betty or the ki67 enabled as a substitute for the HE-111?
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I generally tend to keep to the AVA standards..Night isn't one of them.. That said we had night yesterday.. if we are in there, and somebody asks and we are all were in agreement, we could do that.. In the past when doing night, even a short one.. most folks just left the arena..As cool as it was..
I'm not a big fan of substituting AC.... I wish we just had the correct ac available.. For this set up the Lagg and mig would be great.. :D...
To me seeing a meatball flying past me on an Eastern front set up just bugs me. So I tend to use what is available on my set ups..that's just me though...
I understand that substituting has its place but immersion seems to get out of whack. Of coruse you could argue AC capability but Id rather work with what we do have available and not stretch things to far... .... unfortunately we don't yet have all AC or vehicles but HTC is working toward it.. All in good time..
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Sad that not many folks have taken notice of the new terrain. I was hoping to get to try out that Urban Tank Warfare........ Where are all u tin can heads??? :neener:
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Don't know about anybody else but my frame rate turned AH into a slide show when I tried to GV on this map, even after lowering graphic settings to help fix my problem.
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Sad that not many folks have taken notice of the new terrain. I was hoping to get to try out that Urban Tank Warfare........ Where are all u tin can heads??? :neener:
Its been busy in there Fri sat and sunday..
Don't know about anybody else but my frame rate turned AH into a slide show when I tried to GV on this map, even after lowering graphic settings to help fix my problem.
RGR its a heavy detailed map.. I turned my Vertical sync off and am getting an average of 125 FPS on it.. I have a mid range PC... But over all I think it depends on the pc video card ect when there is a high detail terrain like this....Unfortunately it effects some guys differently .
Heck of a great map to fly on.. I love it.. But.. Remember the map is "heavy" so some may experience Frame rate hits..
BTW look out for a tank flare up NE of Leningrad also :)
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Sad that not many folks have taken notice of the new terrain. I was hoping to get to try out that Urban Tank Warfare........ Where are all u tin can heads??? :neener:
I noticed will I was flying through the other night looks like it would be awsome in a ttank.
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Nathan,
Send me a PM or if you see me anywhere online let me know will head there and we can duke it out 1 v 1 if need be :x
:salute Looking forward to hearing from ya.......
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I turned my Vertical sync off and am getting an average of 125 FPS on it..
Not a good idea.
<edit to add a more recent dialogue from Skuzzy>
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,282912.msg3582265.html#msg3582265
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A post way back from kbman that is still relevant.
"When you disable Vsync you still will not "see" anymore frames than your monitor's refresh rate despite your videocard's ability to draw them. Any frames rendered that exceed the refresh rate are simply dumped in the frame buffer and NOT displayed. Vsync off is only good for benchmarking to test the theoretical output of your card and can cause many visual anomalies or even rubber bullets in some extreme cases. Leave Vsync enabled for stable gameplay. It's probably the most common misunderstanding by many gamers about their video system, primarily because it's focused on bragging rights as to who has the fastest system."
So even if "excess" frames are being dropped, you're still not going to "see" any more than you already to with vsync enabled.
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Thanks for the info shane. For what ever reason things seemed smoother when I did so.. Perhaps it was the placebo effect :)..
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"When you disable Vsync you still will not "see" anymore frames than your monitor's refresh rate despite your videocard's ability to draw them.
....so....it's the monitor's refresh rate that's the culprit...?
- technologically challenged Oldman
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Hm, well, Do you think we could turn it into Nighttime for a short amount of time? Maybe say, Midnight Till between 3-6a.m?
Ive been flying bomb runs in there alot lately, and theres usually no one on when im in there past midnight, and i'd love to fly in the dark, if thats ok. :salute
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....so....it's the monitor's refresh rate that's the culprit...?
- technologically challenged Oldman
I've read about and heard the same thing. Out of curiosity, does anyone have a monitor with more than a 60 hz rate?
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I don't use it now but I have a vewsonic CRT that runs.. 100hz only a 21"... I rather run a larger LCD screen @ 60Hz as a trade off for size over FPS..Still steady @60fps with VSync on..
I don't know why but still w V syn off My game tracks smoother for some reason when using track ir.. with out track ir I see no difference one way or the other...
I never have rubber bullets or anomalies of any kind, ever..
Perhaps it's just my configuration, so Ill consider my self lucky based on the information in the above post.. for me and my box using trak ir... the tracking seems to "drag" with Vsync on..
Here is an interesting read BTW..
[urlhttp://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/800602-60-Hz-vs.-120-Hz-explained][/url]
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pffft....I wouldn't know how to toggle my vsync anyway, even if it would help.
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For the moment the Russians have NEUTRALIZED Axis/Rook base A12...
Intel has reported heavy air to air action Between Axis/Rook Bases P32 & A6 and Allied/Knight Bases V16 & A13 mostly over the water.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/map-len-giff.gif)
The Brewster's have be reconditioned and are heading East to the front lines from P32to regroup at Rook A6
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gtqTizFiWN0/R9X_JHZB9uI/AAAAAAAAAdg/1WZuYmEx8mc/s400/Finnish+Brewsters.gif)
SpitfireVb have been vectored from VVS-VMF North Fleet to aid.They have arrived At Knight V16 and A13
(http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp202/ruspren/RussianSpitfireVbAbadanIran1943.jpg)
Reconditioned Hawker hurricane's have also arrived at V16
(http://www.pewteraircraft.com/OTHER%20AIRFORCES/HURRICANE%20IIB%20RUS/HURRICANE-IIB-Russian-bw.jpg)
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AXIS Objective: Surround and Destroy Leningrad!
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AXIS/ROOK:ACTIVE BASES
A6: 109F4,FWA-5,Hurri1,109G2
A11:109G6,Ju88,
A12: x,x,x
V17: Panzer IVH
V18: Panzer IVH
P32: Brewster,109G2,109G6,FWA-5,110G2,Hurri1
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ALLIES Objective: Defend Mother Russia!
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ALLIES/KNIGHT:ACTIVE BASES
A13: La5N,P40E,P39D,I16, Il2,SpitfireVb
A14: YAK9T,P39D,P39Q,P40E,La5N,1l2,Boston III
A15: Yak9T,P39D,P39Q,P40E,La5N,
T-34/76,T-34/85
V16: YAK9,La5N,P40E,Il2,I16,SpitfireVb,HurriII
M16,T-34/76,T-34/85
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Couple Questions.
What was the average bombing alt of the German Ju88s and the russian bostons?
What alt did the Il2's usually start their attacks?
Be cool to have this info to create as much "Realism" as possable :salute
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Pigs are in tonight! We'll be flying for both sides so look forward to shooting at or covering your sixes gentlemen! :aok
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Thank you all for your participation for a fun and exiting week of action.. :aok
~S~RaVe
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I love the terrain and especially the grass airfields! Very cool.
One suggestion - can you make it so you 'land successfully' anywhere in the grass airfield instead of having to taxi over to some concrete?
Not a big issue, just surprised me I got a ditch when I landed very smartly right in the middle of the AF.
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Cheese
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I love the terrain and especially the grass airfields! Very cool.
One suggestion - can you make it so you 'land successfully' anywhere in the grass airfield instead of having to taxi over to some concrete?
Not a big issue, just surprised me I got a ditch when I landed very smartly right in the middle of the AF.
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Cheese
That is something we have no control of. I'm not sure where you have to be on a grass airfield to get a successful landing.
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I love the terrain and especially the grass airfields! Very cool.
One suggestion - can you make it so you anywhere in the grass airfield instead of having to taxi over to some concrete?
Not a big issue, just surprised me I got a ditch when I landed very smartly right in the middle of the AF.
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Cheese
That's Odd because You can land in the fields anywere in the middle and get 'land successfully' I was doing it all week .. Also as a counter meassure i had "score kills on ditch set" to be sure.. :D
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That's Odd because You can land in the fields anywere in the middle and get 'land successfully' I was doing it all week .. Also as a counter meassure i had "score kills on ditch set" to be sure.. :D
Idk, caught you sleeping in the field twice :noid :t
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LOl yeah the feilds are kinda crazy. I forgot where I was once and was circling looking for the feild thinking I was going crazy when i remembered the field was just the a open field. lol
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Idk, caught you sleeping in the field twice :noid :t
I wasn't sleeping I was trying to figure out how to turn the engine off.. :D
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Wednesday night I was attempting a landing with damage and a dead engine. I could see a 190 off in the distance gradually closing in. I was just about to touch down and totally vulnerable when the FW came barreling in on my six. To my surprise he flew on by without firing a shot. It’s nice to catch a break once in awhile.
I really enjoyed this take on the Leningrad set up. I liked the idea of limiting the active airfields to concentrate the fights and the rotation of aircraft in and out of front line service. It gave things a more dynamic feeling and subtle changes in plane match ups kept things interesting.
Good Job :aok