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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: akbmzawy on September 11, 2011, 06:08:15 AM
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A sole surviving bomber player is in his scope and ready to drop bombs when tracers are appearing in the bombsight. It's T+58.15. Valid decisions need to be made as to go to guns for defense or abide by T+60 so the rule is complied with.
So what is the priority here. Survival or T+60.
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I would say that as long as you were abiding by the spirit of the T+60 rule and you were at the target ready to drop by T+58.15, in the case you are describing, it would be appropriate to go to guns and protect your self verses making the drop. If you kill the defender, you can then make the drop (if you held your ord).
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Edgar
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As long as you are over the target, that satisfies the T+60 rule.
By the interpretation you're proposing, if you drop your bombs and missed, you'd be guilty of violating the rule.
Now that would be plain silly.
:salute
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As the sole surving bomber why not get one of your dead friends to gun for you so you can concentrate on dropping the bombs?
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There are many "What ifs".
The idea of having a squaddie gun for you is one of those. There have been many times that squadrons have been anihilated at the very last minute. In order to join the last one living involves a squaddie being able to find who is left in those last few seconds. Personally I dont think a pop up screen covering up the bombsight or the sights in the guns is the best time.
Yes, there are many "what ifs".
Please stay with the original question. What is the priority? T+60 or Survival.
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Even if nobody in your squad made it to target but were a credble force planned to attack it before T+60 then requirements were met. Happens all the time, when an outgoing strike runs across a forward fighter sweep by mistake. That strike gets anhilated, but still fills the requirement for having a strike heading to hit a required target before T+60. So in your situation it's up to you as far as which is more important, bombs on target or surviving. No penalties either way, since the rule was already abided by.
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BigRat
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I think the main point is that a the rule to hit by T+60 must be attempted to be followed. The Cic gives the order, and the squad plans to execute. What happens after lift off is a crap shoot. As others have already said, you can get jumped enroute to target and wiped out.
But in that case.. would the target still be valid as a secondary strike after T+60 by another group that has already hit their primary? I would think yes.
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Even if nobody in your squad made it to target but were a credble force planned to attack it before T+60 then requirements were met. Happens all the time, when an outgoing strike runs across a forward fighter sweep by mistake. That strike gets anhilated, but still fills the requirement for having a strike heading to hit a required target before T+60.
I think the main point is that a the rule to hit by T+60 must be attempted to be followed. The Cic gives the order, and the squad plans to execute. What happens after lift off is a crap shoot. As others have already said, you can get jumped enroute to target and wiped out.
There have been cases where an incoming strike crossed an outgoing strike/sweep. It's too bad the outgoing force rarely has the discipline to call in the location and size of the incoming strike and continue on to their objective, instead of being greedy and denying their own team's defense the opportunity to have their own fun. I've been in a few frames on defense where we flew the whole night defending a base that was never attacked because of this very situation.
As far as the original query, I'd jump in guns and defend myself. As has been stated, the objective was tasked and attempted to be attacked by T+60, so the defenders were given the opportunity to see action within the first hour. The rules were satisfied. There should be no penalty if the strike didn't get bombs off. Since the T+60 rule was satisfied, there is no reason to not task another strike to this target with available forces that survived their own initial strike of another target.
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There are many "What ifs".
The idea of having a squaddie gun for you is one of those. There have been many times that squadrons have been anihilated at the very last minute. In order to join the last one living involves a squaddie being able to find who is left in those last few seconds. Personally I dont think a pop up screen covering up the bombsight or the sights in the guns is the best time.
Yes, there are many "what ifs".
Please stay with the original question. What is the priority? T+60 or Survival.
If you're in the bombsite at the last few seconds then your mind should be made up. You're making too much out of this.
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If you're in the bombsite at the last few seconds then your mind should be made up. You're making too much out of this.
The question is what is the priority, not what the person will do.
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We are looking for reasonable compliance of the rules. Abide by the spirit of the rules and fly your mission. To answer your Q? its your call to man your guns or drop the bombs <shrug>. That being said the rules are not there to prevent you from defending your plane.
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The question is what is the priority, not what the person will do.
Priority for you is up to you and your squaddies/CO.
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Squire. Thank you for the best response.
I consider this closed now.
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Squire (who runs the event) is right. Your mission orders and the logs will show that you took off in the right plane headed for the target. Many squads get intercepted along the way. The way to cross the line is to takeoff without bombs (if that's contray to orders) or to intentionally delay the strike. BTW and yes, we CMs can see what ordinance you put on the plane... The CMs see all.
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The question is what is the priority, not what the person will do.
My point was...
To answer your Q? its your call to man your guns or drop the bombs <shrug>.
Whatever the person in that situation decides to do is the answer.
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As far as I can tell, if your formation has been intercepted by a credible defensive force, this should satisfy the T+60 rule regardless of time/vacinity to your attack area. Now I don't think this should be misinterpreted as saying that you can fly wherever the heck you want and as long as you're attacked, it's fine. I still think there needs to be intent added to the equation, but other than that, I think the 'attack' begins the second you come under assault.
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It is my intent to be on target before T+60. The idea of my thread was what to do when fired on while in my scope. Now I know my defense is primary and any attacking foe will wonder if I am in my guns or scope.