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Title: 12 hour side switching
Post by: sunfan1121 on September 13, 2011, 10:02:35 AM
Still sucks.
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: JunkyII on September 13, 2011, 10:06:13 AM
Did they go right from an hour to 12 out of no where or something?
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: Soulyss on September 13, 2011, 10:11:50 AM
It did come as a bit of a surprise, however it wasn't so much a change as a return to the way it once was.  Basically one late war arena equals twelve hour switch time.  The one hour switch time came about with the arena split, when the game returned to a single arena we returned to the old time limitation.

 
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: JunkyII on September 13, 2011, 10:13:56 AM
It did come as a bit of a surprise, however it wasn't so much a change as a return to the way it once was.  Basically one late war arena equals twelve hour switch time.  The one hour switch time came about with the arena split, when the game returned to a single arena we returned to the old time limitation.

 
Figured they would go slowly into it....like 2 hours...see how it does then 3 and so on
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: Debrody on September 13, 2011, 10:18:17 AM
Still sucks.
Wrong. Its the best thing ever could happen.
 :noid
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: ebfd11 on September 14, 2011, 11:33:05 AM
Wrong. Its the best thing ever could happen.
 :noid

i have to agree
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: ACE on September 14, 2011, 03:59:07 PM
I wish hitech would tell us why he did it.
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: wil3ur on September 14, 2011, 04:01:41 PM
I personally don't care, as I don't switch sides.  I think the 12 Hour does add more to the "SPY!" comment than the 1 Hour did, as many squads do change teams.  If more log on and end up saying, "We're fighting Knights", but two guys had switched to Rooks a couple hours earlier, you end up w/ 2 guys on another team with the rest of the squad on another team and absolutely nothing they can do about it.  I do think that 12 hours is a bit long, perhaps a maximum number of switches a day rather than a time limit could be imposed?
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: The Fugitive on September 14, 2011, 04:07:03 PM
I wish hitech would tell us why he did it.

He did it because thats the way it was, and it works. Well not for the guys that like to jump to find fights. With the 12 hour limit the sides start pretty even. I was on for about 8 hours Saturday and the numbers were pretty even all day. The rooks did get ganged a bit, but there is always one team that does. We had a horde on each front. While those are not the type of fights I like I made do. I spent almost 8 hours defending at one base or another. In all I had maybe 3 fights that I would call "good" the rest were picks or running from half a dozen when I got too low.

Had the time limit been 3 hours instead, I would have jumped to the Knight side and hit the Bish from that end (they had the numbers all day). 3 hours later I could have still switched back for some Saturday night ops as a Rook again.
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: guncrasher on September 14, 2011, 09:57:56 PM
why dont you guys who like to have great fights and cant find any around pm each other and meet somewhere for some epic battles.  I mean there's at least 10 of you who always complain about the lack of quality fights.  there's even the usarenas you can go to.  no time limit there.

semp
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: The Fugitive on September 14, 2011, 10:05:33 PM
why dont you guys who like to have great fights and cant find any around pm each other and meet somewhere for some epic battles.  I mean there's at least 10 of you who always complain about the lack of quality fights.  there's even the usarenas you can go to.  no time limit there.

semp

I can't answer for the "other guys" but personally I like playing the game. I like helping out which ever team I'm on ( mostly Rooks now that my "choice" to switch has been neutered). Whether that means hauling bombs on my fighter to hit a base before I provide air cover, or I up a turny plane to defend against the endless NOE hordes. While dueling is a great way to get better at fighting, is not all that much fun to me.
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: grizz441 on September 14, 2011, 11:02:10 PM
Did they go right from an hour to 12 out of no where or something?

Yep.  Right past Go, and did not collect two hundred dollars.
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: Debrody on September 15, 2011, 02:08:11 AM
why dont you guys who like to have great fights and cant find any around pm each other and meet somewhere for some epic battles.  I mean there's at least 10 of you who always complain about the lack of quality fights.  there's even the usarenas you can go to.  no time limit there.
You missed it badly. Theres the DA if we wanna fight each other. But we cant wing up and crush the hordes. Go hordes, go  :banana:
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: Pigslilspaz on September 15, 2011, 02:51:23 AM
I think the 12 Hour does add more to the "SPY!" comment than the 1 Hour did, as many squads do change teams.

(http://static.bored.com/user/58415/media/78a7c1ab02tf2_spy_jpg.jpeg)

Gentlemen?


(sorry couldn't help it)
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: gyrene81 on September 15, 2011, 07:31:27 AM
(http://static.bored.com/user/58415/media/78a7c1ab02tf2_spy_jpg.jpeg)

Gentlemen?

(sorry couldn't help it)
lol, good one. i think this would have been more appropo

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/Spy-vs-spy.png)
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: Raphael on September 15, 2011, 12:30:00 PM
nothing is more appropo then tf2's spy
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: wil3ur on September 15, 2011, 12:32:20 PM
(http://static.bored.com/user/58415/media/78a7c1ab02tf2_spy_jpg.jpeg)

Gentlemen?


(sorry couldn't help it)

You know I wasn't actually complaining of 'spying' I was saying others are more vocal about it now due to the inability for people to change sides to join other squad mates.
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: guncrasher on September 15, 2011, 02:21:21 PM
You know I wasn't actually complaining of 'spying' I was saying others are more vocal about it now due to the inability for people to change sides to join other squad mates.

have your teamates join you.

semp
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: gyrene81 on September 15, 2011, 02:25:03 PM
have your teamates join you.

semp
ladies and gentlemen that one went right over his head, i don't think he even saw it.  :rolleyes:

semp, just in case you didn't notice it in the correct context, wil3ur is pointing out the "spyiez!!!" whines by other people, not him.
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: guncrasher on September 15, 2011, 02:52:32 PM
ladies and gentlemen that one went right over his head, i don't think he even saw it.  :rolleyes:

semp, just in case you didn't notice it in the correct context, wil3ur is pointing out the "spyiez!!!" whines by other people, not him.

well ladies and gentards If you can read correctly he said he wasnt complaining about spies.

You know I wasn't actually complaining of 'spying' I was saying others are more vocal about it now due to the inability for people to change sides to join other squad mates.

but he was saying other coudnt join their teammates.  so my suggestion was have them come to you.

semp
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: gyrene81 on September 15, 2011, 02:58:43 PM
well ladies and gentards If you can read correctly he said he wasnt complaining about spies.

but he was saying other coudnt join their teammates.  so my suggestion was have them come to you.

semp
try wording your sentences to fit within the context bud. would have been more better understood if you had stated, "they could have their team mates join them", which would put your response in the same context as his statement. they vs. i or you.

aside from that, wouldn't having one's squad mates switching sides have just as much impact on the outcries as an individual doing it?
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: Guppy35 on September 15, 2011, 03:18:54 PM
why dont you guys who like to have great fights and cant find any around pm each other and meet somewhere for some epic battles.  I mean there's at least 10 of you who always complain about the lack of quality fights.  there's even the usarenas you can go to.  no time limit there.

semp

Semp, you seem to be a great defender of the 12 hour bit.

Out of curiosity, how does my ability to change teams to find a fight impact on your game play?   I know the 12 hour limit does impact on my game play.  I just haven't figured out how being able to switch sides is such a bad thing.  Has the 12 hour limit made your game play better?
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: guncrasher on September 15, 2011, 04:44:31 PM


gyrene, not only did you misunderstood him but also misunderstood me, then blame me for it.  perhaps next time you should take your own advise.


Semp, you seem to be a great defender of the 12 hour bit.

Out of curiosity, how does my ability to change teams to find a fight impact on your game play?   I know the 12 hour limit does impact on my game play.  I just haven't figured out how being able to switch sides is such a bad thing.  Has the 12 hour limit made your game play better?

not you personally, actually not anybody here posting.  but its the guys who switch to join the hording of whatever country is doing it at the time.  there is a lot more of them than there is of you. 

semp
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: caldera on September 15, 2011, 06:56:50 PM

gyrene, not only did you misunderstood him but also misunderstood me, then blame me for it.  perhaps next time you should take your own advise.


not you personally, actually not anybody here posting.  but its the guys who switch to join the hording of whatever country is doing it at the time.  there is a lot more of them than there is of you. 

semp


Semp, you keep repeating this same argument in every thread regarding side switching.  Now that we have the 12 hour delay, can you honestly say there is less hording?  Looks like the same sh#& to me, only now with less options to find the kind of fight I want.
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: The Fugitive on September 15, 2011, 06:58:07 PM

gyrene, not only did you misunderstood him but also misunderstood me, then blame me for it.  perhaps next time you should take your own advise.


not you personally, actually not anybody here posting.  but its the guys who switch to join the hording of whatever country is doing it at the time.  there is a lot more of them than there is of you. 

semp


I still haven't seen any evidence on this "switching to join the horde" other than the paranoia that you post. Show us screen shots of before and after of at least 15-20 guys switching to join the horde.  
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: Guppy35 on September 15, 2011, 06:58:23 PM
Semp, you keep repeating this same argument in every thread regarding side switching.  Now that we have the 12 hour delay, can you honestly say there is less hording?  Looks like the same sh#& to me, only now with less options to find the kind of fight I want.

Considering how off balance the numbers were last night, I'd tend to agree.
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: grizz441 on September 15, 2011, 07:22:27 PM
I still haven't seen any evidence on this "switching to join the horde" other than the paranoia that you post. Show us screen shots of before and after of at least 15-20 guys switching to join the horde.  

So he's supposed to take a screen shot of the roster before they switch teams?  Magic crystal ball magic crystal ball, telleth me the future!  :D
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: JUGgler on September 15, 2011, 07:43:43 PM

gyrene, not only did you misunderstood him but also misunderstood me, then blame me for it.  perhaps next time you should take your own advise.


not you personally, actually not anybody here posting.  but its the guys who switch to join the hording of whatever country is doing it at the time.  there is a lot more of them than there is of you. 

semp



 :rofl :rofl :rofl I would bet my account that this is hogwash and if there are peeps who switch to "join the horde" that it is very very rare!!

You keep spewing this line like it has some validity, please prove your case!


Unless your experience is that they are switching to join "YOUR HORDE"   ;)



JUGgler
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: The Fugitive on September 15, 2011, 09:38:03 PM
So he's supposed to take a screen shot of the roster before they switch teams?  Magic crystal ball magic crystal ball, telleth me the future!  :D

Ya I know its a lot of trouble to flip open the roster and take a screen shot say every 15-20 minutes. Then when he notices that there is a horde doubling in size he can then compare the screen shot he has taken all night a see the people switching.... or as I believe logging off and being replaced by people from that login on the team with the growing numbers.
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: grizz441 on September 15, 2011, 09:39:39 PM
Ya I know its a lot of trouble to flip open the roster and take a screen shot say every 15-20 minutes. Then when he notices that there is a horde doubling in size he can then compare the screen shot he has taken all night a see the people switching.... or as I believe logging off and being replaced by people from that login on the team with the growing numbers.

I've never been able to take a screen shot of a 400-500 person roster in one shot.  How do you do that?
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: The Fugitive on September 15, 2011, 09:47:53 PM
I've never been able to take a screen shot of a 400-500 person roster in one shot.  How do you do that?

He says its at night when there aren't that many people on.
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: guncrasher on September 16, 2011, 12:18:01 AM
I still haven't seen any evidence on this "switching to join the horde" other than the paranoia that you post. Show us screen shots of before and after of at least 15-20 guys switching to join the horde.  

well I tell you want, you guys prove that there's no fights and that's why you need to change every two hours.

semp
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: Ardy123 on September 16, 2011, 02:58:04 AM
As I said before, if the side switch rule was to balance the sides, it has failed. I personally believe that effect of ENY should be jacked up significantly then lower the side switch time. If all people can fly is 109es and spit 1s, they will be more inclined switch to the lower side.

here is what happened tonight...
(http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5728/exampleh.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: grizz441 on September 16, 2011, 08:30:22 AM
If all people can fly is 109es and spit 1s, they will be more inclined switch to the lower side.

Or quit..
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: wil3ur on September 16, 2011, 11:31:03 AM
As I said before, if the side switch rule was to balance the sides, it has failed. I personally believe that effect of ENY should be jacked up significantly then lower the side switch time. If all people can fly is 109es and spit 1s, they will be more inclined switch to the lower side.

here is what happened tonight...
(http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5728/exampleh.jpg)

You could always switch sides and join the Horde...
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: guncrasher on September 16, 2011, 12:09:22 PM
I would really be glad to have a higher eny.  I hate eny, but  I also hate the fricking people that switch to cause it.  if purpose of eny is to help balance the sides, then go with higher eny and perhaps 6 hour switch. whenever a country has 40% of the players it's eny already should be above 20.

semp
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: JUGgler on September 16, 2011, 01:09:12 PM
I would really be glad to have a higher eny.  I hate eny, but  I also hate the fricking people that switch to cause it.  if purpose of eny is to help balance the sides, then go with higher eny and perhaps 6 hour switch. whenever a country has 40% of the players it's eny already should be above 20.

semp

I cannot think of a single incident of masses of folks switching to the high # side, for whatever reason.

If they are switching to gain perks, then charge perks for the switch. If hordes sre swithing hoping for 25 perks to be on the country that wins then charge 50 pekrs to switch sides for each switch after the "free" one within 24 hours. I think there are enough folks with the desire to fight against the horde , they would balance things out in #s or skill.
Speaking for myself IF I switched and had hordes follow me than I would switch back, and I'd pay perks for it!! At some point, someone's gonna run out of perk cash   :rock

Switch countries at will and charge perks for the privelage



JUGgler
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: wil3ur on September 16, 2011, 01:13:30 PM
I cannot think of a single incident of masses of folks switching to the high # side, for whatever reason.

If they are switching to gain perks, then charge perks for the switch. If hordes sre swithing hoping for 25 perks to be on the country that wins then charge 50 pekrs to switch sides for each switch after the "free" one within 24 hours. I think there are enough folks with the desire to fight against the horde , they would balance things out in #s or skill.
Speaking for myself IF I switched and had hordes follow me than I would switch back, and I'd pay perks for it!! At some point, someone's gonna run out of perk cash   :rock

Switch countries at will and charge perks for the privelage



JUGgler

Which perks would this come out of?  Perhaps we could have it come out of "OTHER" perks which are gained from Gunner position kills in Buffs, CV's, Shore Guns & Manned Ack?
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: grizz441 on September 16, 2011, 01:24:48 PM
I cannot think of a single incident of masses of folks switching to the high # side, for whatever reason.

If they are switching to gain perks, then charge perks for the switch. If hordes sre swithing hoping for 25 perks to be on the country that wins then charge 50 pekrs to switch sides for each switch after the "free" one within 24 hours. I think there are enough folks with the desire to fight against the horde , they would balance things out in #s or skill.
Speaking for myself IF I switched and had hordes follow me than I would switch back, and I'd pay perks for it!! At some point, someone's gonna run out of perk cash   :rock

Switch countries at will and charge perks for the privelage



JUGgler

Idk if they are or aren't TBH.  The only guy that says it, and says it repeatedly, is semp. 
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: guncrasher on September 16, 2011, 01:27:45 PM
Idk if they are or aren't TBH.  The only guy that says it, and says it repeatedly, is semp. 

well you cant honestly tell me that most people switch to balance the sides, do you?

semp
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: Debrody on September 16, 2011, 01:29:25 PM
:noid :furious :noid :furious
You arent serious, are you?
All this paranoia is hilarious.
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: JUGgler on September 16, 2011, 01:31:00 PM
Which perks would this come out of?  Perhaps we could have it come out of "OTHER" perks which are gained from Gunner position kills in Buffs, CV's, Shore Guns & Manned Ack?

Take them from the only perks that anyone cares about, "fighter perks" spend the perks that hurt or don't switch,  easy :aok







JUGgler
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: JUGgler on September 16, 2011, 01:32:44 PM
well you cant honestly tell me that most people switch to balance the sides, do you?

semp

I think most could care less about actual balancing, we mostly care about abundance of targets  :aok


JUGgler
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: grizz441 on September 16, 2011, 01:42:18 PM
well you cant honestly tell me that most people switch to balance the sides, do you?

semp

Everybody I know switches to where there is more red, which by default, is typically the lower number side.  I don't know of anyone who switches to fly with the horde like you propose but I don't know for sure.  You are the only one on the boards that I have heard speak of it though.
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: gyrene81 on September 16, 2011, 01:49:34 PM
i've seen it happen a few times over the past month. it's not a very large number, just enough to throw the balance out of whack and it only happens when one side is not far from winning the war. last time i saw it happen, 20 or 30 jumped from bish/rook to knits when knits only needed 2 bases to win the map, by that time a good number of bish must have been sent to bed and it ended up something like bish 84, rook 132, knits 168.

nobody was switching to bish for whatever reason...once the map reset a lot of people from rook and knit logged off.
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: JUGgler on September 16, 2011, 01:50:16 PM
well you cant honestly tell me that most people switch to balance the sides, do you?

semp


A response from Red Foreman comes to mind  :bhead


JUGgler
Title: Re: 12 hour side switching
Post by: Guppy35 on September 16, 2011, 11:12:31 PM
I can with all honesty say I don't use perks, never pay attention to them, and really don't know how they work cause I don't care. 

Is what is being suggested that folks switch right before a 'win' to get perks?  I thought you had to be in that country for a time before this happened?  Is it really that important to folks?

Or is it that folks are just that worried about 'losing' that they want to be on the 'winning' side?  And do people really care about that in a cartoon flight sim?