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Title: bardar not so effective out at sea
Post by: pembquist on September 16, 2011, 04:28:44 PM
Just thinking if bardar is supposed to represent a country's total air defense detection system that maybe it shouldn't work globally and especially not out at sea when there isn't an asset to detect anything. Maybe once you are more than one sector out from land you wouldn't show up?  Maybe you wouldn't show up unless you were say 7 pilots?  Conceptually I don't understand why one formation of ki-67 shows up in the middle of the ocean but a whole task force is invisible right next to an eneme base.
Title: Re: bardar not so effective out at sea
Post by: The Fugitive on September 16, 2011, 04:46:41 PM
Yup that's what we need, is more ways to hide!   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: bardar not so effective out at sea
Post by: GNucks on September 16, 2011, 05:05:03 PM
Yup that's what we need, is more ways to hide!   :rolleyes:

That's what I was thinking at first but it makes sense. What was the actual range enemy A/C could be detected from shore in WWII?
Title: Re: bardar not so effective out at sea
Post by: RTHolmes on September 16, 2011, 05:08:52 PM
just imagine theres lots of fishing boats and other assorted shipping out there :)
Title: Re: bardar not so effective out at sea
Post by: ImADot on September 16, 2011, 05:13:30 PM
That's what I was thinking at first but it makes sense. What was the actual range enemy A/C could be detected from shore in WWII?

It shouldn't matter; this is a game about combat, using WWII equipment. I'm all for some amount of realism, but just remember it's a game where combat is the objective, so it shouldn't be too hard to find the "enemy".
Title: Re: bardar not so effective out at sea
Post by: wil3ur on September 16, 2011, 05:14:59 PM
What about giving bomber formations the option of carrying 1000lbs less in explosives and loading up on chaff?  Really screw with Radar!   :x
Title: Re: bardar not so effective out at sea
Post by: titanic3 on September 16, 2011, 08:45:01 PM
Pork radar. Fly under 100ft. Hit the HQ.

Those are your options. Do it.
Title: Re: bardar not so effective out at sea
Post by: Rino on September 17, 2011, 01:34:22 AM
     I wonder how low ship-borne radar or observers could see?  :rolleyes:  Not much terrain to hide behind out
over the water.
Title: Re: bardar not so effective out at sea
Post by: pembquist on September 17, 2011, 12:44:16 PM
Pork radar. Fly under 100ft. Hit the HQ.

Those are your options. Do it.

Yes Sir!  :salute
Title: Re: bardar not so effective out at sea
Post by: des506 on September 18, 2011, 06:30:18 PM
how about enroute to the enemy base you get spotted by allied merchant vessels... or fishing boats with radio... or submarines... and all that information is relayed back somehow to someone...

i say keep the darbar where it is now... it works... and its good... helps us with time to scramble a/c to meet them... helps curb the horde too dun ya think?
Title: Re: bardar not so effective out at sea
Post by: gyrene81 on September 18, 2011, 06:49:52 PM
That's what I was thinking at first but it makes sense. What was the actual range enemy A/C could be detected from shore in WWII?
50 to 300+ miles depending on the year and type of radar...
Title: Re: bardar not so effective out at sea
Post by: guncrasher on September 18, 2011, 07:12:22 PM
not like we can just stop anywhere at sea when the need arises.  I hate stupid threads.

bardar    
   
an internal GPS of a sort which provides the uncanny and coveted ability to determine the location of the nearest bar.....

When traveling out of state, Paul called upon his bardar to lead the group to the local watering hole, "Murphys".

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bardar

semp
Title: Re: bardar not so effective out at sea
Post by: olds442 on September 19, 2011, 06:37:28 AM
What about giving bomber formations the option of carrying 1000lbs less in explosives and loading up on chaff?  Really screw with Radar!   :x

vtards:this chaf will make them go WTF!
*vtards begin attack*
*deploys chaf*
*dar bar grows 7 sectors*
*every rook 262 ups*
*vtards gets shot down*
a "certain vtards: THIS GAME IS BS I QUIT
*HTC LOLING*
Title: Re: bardar not so effective out at sea
Post by: pembquist on September 19, 2011, 09:15:41 AM
Sorry if this stupid thread offends.  I just think its illogical that a single b-29 at 30K shows up way out at sea while a bunch of ships can be parked along the coast with no warning.  I guess its no more illogical than those axis P-47m's hosing down daylight bombing lancasters though.
Title: Re: bardar not so effective out at sea
Post by: icepac on September 19, 2011, 11:35:28 AM
Dar bar is acting very strangely.

Lately, I have heard multiple 163 rocket engines near me at 40,000 feet before any dar bar shows up or I find bombers 25k over our strats without a dar bar having been generated anywhere along the bomber's course.
Title: Re: bardar not so effective out at sea
Post by: ImADot on September 19, 2011, 12:43:38 PM
Dar bar is acting very strangely.

Lately, I have heard multiple 163 rocket engines near me at 40,000 feet before any dar bar shows up or I find bombers 25k over our strats without a dar bar having been generated anywhere along the bomber's course.

I haven't had a chance to experiment, but there are two settings that look like they control darbar: SectorCounterRange and SectorCounterAlt.

The default setting for SectorCounterRange is 63360' (12 miles) - which match the radar circle, fighter and bomber warning ranges.
The default setting for SectorCounterAlt is 250' - so no darbar until someone is above 250'.

So it would seem as long as nobody is near enough to a radar source (I'm guessing any base/strat/etc.) or above 250', there will be no darbar.

Although in EW/MW I've personally seen no darbar until the con showed on dotdar once they broke into my base's ring. It would be interesting to find out if the SectorCounterRange also includes proximity to enemy players, so a darbar could pop if they're close enough to a plane/vehicle on their enemy's side.
Title: Re: bardar not so effective out at sea
Post by: OOZ662 on September 21, 2011, 07:01:21 AM
Those two controls do exist for the purpose of controlling darbar, but I don't think the range default is the MA-standard setting, since one can see missions taking off on the other side of the world.

There is the ability to change the effective range from radar towers, though, as it's often used in the SEA when GPS dots are unwanted.
Title: Re: bardar not so effective out at sea
Post by: ImADot on September 21, 2011, 08:52:56 AM
Those two controls do exist for the purpose of controlling darbar, but I don't think the range default is the MA-standard setting, since one can see missions taking off on the other side of the world.

There is the ability to change the effective range from radar towers, though, as it's often used in the SEA when GPS dots are unwanted.

Perhaps it isn't working right. Those values were taken from the MA. Anyone can see the arena setup in any arena (but cannot change them) by going into Arena Settings and looking around.

Last night I was in EW, 4 miles from an enemy base and outside my dar ring. I didn't see the darbar until I saw the icon of the con that was co-alt with me at 10,000'.  I also noticed that on another occasion, my squaddie in one sector saw a darbar and the con, but I didn't see the darbar...and I was only a mile or so over the sector line in the adjacent sector. I didn't see the darbar until the con crossed over into my sector.