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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: curry1 on September 22, 2011, 09:37:19 PM
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Speed of light may have been broken successfully. Now I have to re-learn physics.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BREAKING_LIGHT_SPEED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BREAKING_LIGHT_SPEED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)
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doesn't quantum physics exist in the first place, because einstein realized the rules of relativity broke down at that scale?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484
If this is varified it will have some pretty crazy outcomes. It would explain why quantum physics works the way it does, with particles arriving before they depart and so on. Makes the possibility of time travel as we have always imagined it a reality. Could be the most important discovery in the history of science...
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Very cool stuff.
BTW I read your post before you penned it. ;)
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I don't think it'll be near as big as this is being made out to be. The speed of light is not constant, but is a function of the shape of spacetime in which it is traveling. This can be directly observed (or not) through blackholes. Now, the earth has nowhere near the mass to warp spacetime in such a way as a blackhole does, but none the less... the warping is there. The warpage will cause variance in the speed of light because of the 'time' traveled, not the distance. Think about light and particles in spacetime without mass effect as a straight line ----------->. Add a mass effect to warp spacetime and you end up with a curved line `'~._,~`> (hard to do w/ characters)... But imagine the start and end point of the particle is the same point in space, the only difference is a mass effect causing a bend in spacetime. What you have to realize in viewing this is that there is absolutely no difference in distance of those two lines. They are equal, even though they look different. It is actually the time function of spacetime that is twisted and bent by the mass. This causes a reduction in the speed of light. In a black hole, the speed of light is effectively 0 due to time dilation.
What I believe will be found is that the earth doesn't mass as much as we think it does, or perhaps some other mass disturbance in our general area is causing previously undetected disturbances in our local field.
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http://static.arxiv.org/pdf/1109.4897.pdf
The paper that the OPERA group released. My guess is that in the next week someone will find what is wrong and it will not get any media attention so people will be talking about superluminal meuons forever.
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http://static.arxiv.org/pdf/1109.4897.pdf
The paper that the OPERA group released. My guess is that in the next week someone will find what is wrong and it will not get any media attention so people will be talking about superluminal meuons forever.
My uncles hair is glueons...
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Where's Penguin to explain this to us? :headscratch:
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Where's Penguin to explain this to us? :headscratch:
:rofl :lol that was wrong man... :rofl :lol
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I don't think it'll be near as big as this is being made out to be. The speed of light is not constant, but is a function of the shape of spacetime in which it is traveling. etc ...
pretty sure you're talking about general relativity, which also assumes C is constant. in fact earth's gravity well effect is easily measurable on the surface. my alltime fav experiment was with an airliner and 2 atomic clocks - the general realtivity effect of the earth's mass overwhelms the special relativity effect of the airliner's round the world trip.
I've always been surprised that almost every physicist believes C is constant when the history of science shows us that everything is constant until you have the experiment to measure it at a high enough resolution ...
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pretty sure you're talking about general relativity, which also assumes C is constant. in fact earth's gravity well effect is easily measurable on the surface. my alltime fav experiment was with an airliner and 2 atomic clocks - the general realtivity effect of the earth's mass overwhelms the special relativity effect of the airliner's round the world trip.
I've always been surprised that almost every physicist believes C is constant when the history of science shows us that everything is constant until you have the experiment to measure it at a high enough resolution ...
It shows right in my quote you quoted that I most obviously do not believe C is constant, the rest of my post explains how and why C is not constant. General Relativity is only correct under very special circumstances.
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I get that you think information can travel faster than c (Ive been to the pub so excuse my use of "C" ;)), but I didnt get the explanation. which theory is this?
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Where's Penguin to explain this to us? :headscratch:
:rofl ok, that was *kinda* mean but freaking hilarious...
as far as the speed of light goes, its definetaly not the fastest thing ever. im sure somewhere out there, theres something that goes faster.
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What I'm saying is that only when space is devoid of mass is the speed of light the constant that is described in Einsteins equation. If there is mass disrupting the fabric of spacetime, the distances involved are no greater than before... the time involved in traversing them is. It's a difficult concept to grasp, especially visually because the only way to represent it is with a line of greater distance.
But to use aircraft as an example... the speed of sound is not constant, but a function of the medium through which sound travels. Light is the same way, I think we'll find that our understanding of the medium is what gave us our results, and not a mirraculous faster than light particle.
I beileve the theory is described by Cherenkov radiation, and has been shown that particles can be accelerated 'faster' than light 'should' travel through certain mediums.
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yes when light passes by a massive object, its path is deflected by objects gravity well. so light passing through a space with massive objects will arrive later than light in free space. the light is still travelling at c, but has further to go so it arrives later. this is Einsteins theory of general relativity.
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Incorrect... space is the same distance, it's speed at which time is happening inside a 'gravity well' that is changed.
lets say you flew a spaceship above the north pole at a distance of 300 miles. Your path started 100K miles off one side of earth and ended 100K miles off the other side passing over the pole in a straight and flat line. You repeat the experiment but remove the earth. Your distance is equal, your preceived time in traversing the distance would even be equal. To an outside observer, the ship traveling past earth would be slower due to the distortions of spacetime within the gravity well. Remember, speed is a function of time, not of distance. The number of miles is irrelevant, it's how many of them you traverse in an hour that is important. More important than that is who is perceiving the passing of time.
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So...hire him or dont hire him?
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yeah so if the spaceship is light, in its frame its doing c; in the observers frame the light is doing <c. general relativity accounts for this difference, but still assumes that c is a constant.
the experiment suggests that the muon neutrinos are travelleing at >c. the earths gravity well is easily measurable and would be one of the easiest factors to eliminate. if its reproducable it means that theres something else going on, probably that the other dimensions have more measurable effects than we thought before.
it must have caused a ripple in the physics community though because there were guys with bad skin and bad sneakers waving their arms around in the pub earlier tonight :D
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yeah so if the spaceship is light, in its frame its doing c; in the observers frame the light is doing <c. general relativity accounts for this difference, but still assumes that c is a constant.
the experiment suggests that the muon neutrinos are travelleing at >c. the earths gravity well is easily measurable and would be one of the easiest factors to eliminate. if its reproducable it means that theres something else going on, probably that the other dimensions have more measurable effects than we thought before.
it must have caused a ripple in the physics community though because there were guys with bad skin and bad sneakers waving their arms around in the pub earlier tonight :D
Somewhat my point... I believe we'll find the earth may not be as heavy as we thought and the expirment will prove something completely different than they were hoping to measure...
http://www.ourhollowearth.com/ourhollo/index.html :rofl
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Somewhat my point... I believe we'll find the earth may not be as heavy as we thought and the expirment will prove something completely different than they were hoping to measure...
http://www.ourhollowearth.com/ourhollo/index.html :rofl
Somewhat my point... I believe we'll find the earth may not be as heavy as we thought and the experiment will prove something completely different than they were hoping to measure...
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