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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Sikboy on September 28, 2011, 12:13:42 PM
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I can’t really make the case for the Cat for inclusion in the program as it stands. It wouldn’t just be a hangar queen in the MA, I don’t think it will see much scenario use either.
The only evidence of scenario desirability is anecdotal, but I think it’s worth something. Back in the day, I headed up a Scout Bomber unit in a Midway scenario. I was excited, because I knew that the ability to find and track the fleet was going to be paramount to any success we would have. Unfortunately, I was unable to pass this excitement onto my squad mates. The squad was made up of maybe 3 signed up and assigned pilots (who knew what they were in for) and the remainder were walk ons. Everyone, including the pre-registered players spent the entire frame complaining about the fact that we weren’t “doing anything” we were just flying around investigating grid spots looking for the fleet. I’m not sure what they were expecting, but I suppose it was “more bomber, less scout.” I’m just not convinced that there’s enough demand out there for MARPAT in scenarios to justify the Catalina.
If a functionality could be added that would reward flying around looking for stuff, then maybe there would be a world of floatplanes and seaplanes opened up. But I really don’t see how it could work.
-Sik
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For the MA purposes, the H8K2 is clearly the way to go for flying boats as it actually has heavy bomber level performance.
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The only way the PBY would be a viable aircraft in AH would be if we were to finally get a real night time modeled and use it as a night time intruder aircraft.
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The only way the PBY would be a viable aircraft in AH would be if we were to finally get a real night time modeled and use it as a night time intruder aircraft.
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what would be the difference between using it during the day or night? IIRC the brits used their lancasters at night mostly but we still use it during the day in game.
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what would be the difference between using it during the day or night? IIRC the brits used their lancasters at night mostly but we still use it during the day in game.
Because in the day time the PBY was slaughtered when it attacked shipping, that's why the vast majority of intruder and anti-shipping missions were flown at night by the PBY's. It was too slow and cumbersome to avoid the defensive AAA and would be picked out of the sky way before they got within range to drop their bombs or torpedoes.
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The only way the PBY would be a viable aircraft in AH would be if we were to finally get a real night time modeled and use it as a night time intruder aircraft.
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rescue of downed pilots could be another way to make the PBY a useful additon; but this would also require more effort from HTC to implement than just bringing back the night. (not to mention the massive change in player mentality needed to make pilot rescue a viable game mechanic) Just wanted to throw in another way seaplanes might be of use, even if it isn't a realistic one right now.
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i'm surprised tmetal, seriously anyone who brings up the idea of pilot rescue has no idea how long it would actually take and hasn't thought about all the conditions that would make most attempts fruitless. consider the amount of time it takes to get gv supplies when they are needed.
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Because in the day time the PBY was slaughtered when it attacked shipping, that's why the vast majority of intruder and anti-shipping missions were flown at night by the PBY's. It was too slow and cumbersome to avoid the defensive AAA and would be picked out of the sky way before they got within range to drop their bombs or torpedoes.
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so just because it got its butt handed to it on a golden platter during the day means it cant be added because of that? kind of like saying the B17 shouldnt be in here because it was slaughtered by the luftwaffe during the day without escorts early on.
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i'm surprised tmetal, seriously anyone who brings up the idea of pilot rescue has no idea how long it would actually take and hasn't thought about all the conditions that would make most attempts fruitless. consider the amount of time it takes to get gv supplies when they are needed.
don't be too surprised. I am aware of the problems with the idea, and I kind of rolled all those into the admittedly vague disclaimer of "...massive change in player mentality needed to make pilot rescue a viable game mechanic". First among those problems is the investment in time and effort a player would have to make vs the possible risks and rewards just to retrieve some one who got shot down. Most players right now wont even take the time to fly/drive out GV supps when some one requests them, so of course why would anybody expect players to do basically the same thing to rescue a downed pilot? Additionally, why would anybody expect a pilot to wait around on the ground in the hopes some one will land (most likely near enemy activity) and pick them up?
All that being said, I do bring GV supps to people who request it (even into/through enemy fire) and would enjoy the ability to stop and pick up a downed pilot, especially if it is a squad member. Just because it wouldn't be a popularly used game feature doesn't mean that it doesn't warrent consideration and possibly eventual inclusion into AH; there are some parts of this game that are not used very often (aircraft re-arm for example) but are still included in game.
It might not be an idea you like or agree with, but it is one I like and have thought about quite a bit. What surprises me is the part of your post I highlighted in bold; normally you don't make such generalized and ignorant posts. You had no idea if I had thought about this or not, but I figure with the general quality of internet posts these days it is a natural conclusion to jump to. I saw no reason not to mention it on this thread because it is one of the tasks performed by PBYs during the war and it is also about as likely to be included in the game by HTC any time soon as any float plane or bringing back the night in the game.
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Only if I can put out fires with my pby....
oh look, the vh is burning...
... np Smokey the cartoon pilot-bear will put that out for ya...
(http://www.hvballoonfest.com/Entertainment/SmokeyBear.jpg)
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so just because it got its butt handed to it on a golden platter during the day means it cant be added because of that? kind of like saying the B17 shouldnt be in here because it was slaughtered by the luftwaffe during the day without escorts early on.
That is not what he is saying. He was using the historical outcomes of such use to demonstrate what would happen in AH.
The PBY would, despite being a very neat and important aircraft historically, be a waste pf development resources as compared to a significant number of other aircraft that are missing from the game.
Just wishing for things willy nilly is stupid. Think if terms of limited development resources and what the best application of those resources might be. The PBY is far down the list.
FWIW, the PBY-5 is one of my favorite aircraft from WWII. It is just a gorgeous flying boat.
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That is not what he is saying. He was using the historical outcomes of such use to demonstrate what would happen in AH.
The PBY would, despite being a very neat and important aircraft historically, be a waste pf development resources as compared to a significant number of other aircraft that are missing from the game.
Just wishing for things willy nilly is stupid. Think if terms of limited development resources and what the best application of those resources might be. The PBY is far down the list.
FWIW, the PBY-5 is one of my favorite aircraft from WWII. It is just a gorgeous flying boat.
Its a great plane, but quite useless in the AH world.
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That is not what he is saying. He was using the historical outcomes of such use to demonstrate what would happen in AH.
The PBY would, despite being a very neat and important aircraft historically, be a waste pf development resources as compared to a significant number of other aircraft that are missing from the game.
Just wishing for things willy nilly is stupid. Think if terms of limited development resources and what the best application of those resources might be. The PBY is far down the list.
FWIW, the PBY-5 is one of my favorite aircraft from WWII. It is just a gorgeous flying boat.
why shouldnt we add it? just because it got massacred in the day doesnt mean it will in AH. basically anything lighter than a B-17 gets massacred daily (EX: JU-88's) in game. but yet we have it. if it got its butt spanked in the day that means it didnt meet requirements to make it in game?
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I enjoin you to consider this line:
Just wishing for things willy nilly is stupid. Think if terms of limited development resources and what the best application of those resources might be.
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Enable it at ports.
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Enable it at ports.
That doesn't magically make it worth the dev time. While it would take less dev time than the Sunderland or Emily, both of those would be far, far more useful in the MA.
Flying boats of any kind would rarely be significant participants in scenarios.
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That doesn't magically make it worth the dev time. While it would take less dev time than the Sunderland or Emily, both of those would be far, far more useful in the MA.
Flying boats of any kind would rarely be significant participants in scenarios.
what if instead of a PBY we add something like a GV instead? something russian (we only have 10 or so russian vehicles in game i believe) like tha KV-1S
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Well, from a dev resource point of view, it isn't "Do we add the KV-1 or the PBY?" Just because a unit is a single choice in the hangar it is not equal in dev resource costs. A multi-position aircraft takes more graphics and programming work than does a single seat aircraft and that single seat aircraft takes more than a GV does. Variants of existing AH2 designs also take less dev resources than do new AH2 standard units.
From a dev resource standpoint I can't think of another unit that would cost as much as the H8K2 'Emily'. The Sunderland might, but I am less familiar with it's layout.
When I talk about the best application of those resources I mean things like 1) How often will it be used in the LWA? 2) How much scenario use does it have? 3) Does it change gameplay for the better?
For example, the Ki-43 will probably not get used that much in the MA, has a lot of scenario use and won't really change gameplay much for good or bad outside of the players who want it. As a single seat aircraft it will take a moderate amount of dev resources and being Japanese performance data for modeling may be hard to get.
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why shouldnt we add it? just because it got massacred in the day doesnt mean it will in AH. basically anything lighter than a B-17 gets massacred daily (EX: JU-88's) in game. but yet we have it. if it got its butt spanked in the day that means it didnt meet requirements to make it in game?
Both are battlestars with FTL drives compared to the PBY. The PBY was successful in the war due its ability at night and the fact it operated in the vastness of the PTO where the enemy finding it was difficult. Most of all in the last years of the war when Jap air power was so decimated.
In Aces High imagine the screams on Vox when all these 190s, 51s, La's, Spixteens...ect see one of these things floating by at 179 mph ? It will be like lunchtime at the Lion cage. And is anyone really going to bob in cartoon water for 30 mins on the off chance a PBY makes it to you, let alone makes it back?
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In Aces High imagine the screams on Vox when all these 190s, 51s, La's, Spixteens...ect see one of these things floating by at 179 mph ? It will be like lunchtime at the Lion cage. And is anyone really going to bob in cartoon water for 30 mins on the off chance a PBY makes it to you, let alone makes it back?
who ever said it HAD to take downed pilots just so they get their name in lights?
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who ever said it HAD to take downed pilots just so they get their name in lights?
pilot rescue is one of the main arguments for adding the pby, besides what else would you want to do with it? make an attempt to drop 4000lbs of bombs on a cv from 15,000ft at ~170mph? i don't mind a suicide run once in a while but, it gets tiresome quickly.
It might not be an idea you like or agree with, but it is one I like and have thought about quite a bit. What surprises me is the part of your post I highlighted in bold; normally you don't make such generalized and ignorant posts. You had no idea if I had thought about this or not, but I figure with the general quality of internet posts these days it is a natural conclusion to jump to. I saw no reason not to mention it on this thread because it is one of the tasks performed by PBYs during the war and it is also about as likely to be included in the game by HTC any time soon as any float plane or bringing back the night in the game.
what i said was neither ignorant nor generalized as both of those would require making a statement without having fully considered the utility of the pby in the main arena. in a battle near a friendly base, if you ditch or bail a jeep or half track would be faster getting to you than a pby. in a battle near a friendly cv, if you ditch or bail on water, a pt boat would be faster getting to you and it has a slightly higher probability than the pby of surviving the effort. any battle around enemy bases, it would not only be time consuming making the attempt but nearly impossible to succeed, not only due to the enemy units in the area but the terrain as well. the pby is big and slower than anything in the ww2 arenas, the only thing it has going for it is the ability to carry bombs and barely adequate defensive armament.
it would most likely be used frequently for one tour after being introduced, then only those who find themselves bored and new people who are curious would try it out.
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pilot rescue is one of the main arguments for adding the pby, besides what else would you want to do with it? make an attempt to drop 4000lbs of bombs on a cv from 15,000ft at ~170mph? i don't mind a suicide run once in a while but, it gets tiresome quickly.
you can do much more than ruin a CV party, you can go scouting for a CV, bomb**** GV's if your that butthurt about being killed over and over in a spawn camp or just plain mess around.
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you can do much more than ruin a CV party, you can go scouting for a CV, bomber GV's if your that butthurt about being killed over and over in a spawn camp or just plain mess around.
i would love to see your stats for the late war arena. how many hours do you spend in slow early war aircraft looking for cvs or bombing ground vehicles?
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you can do much more than ruin a CV party, you can go scouting for a CV, bomber GV's if your that butthurt about being killed over and over in a spawn camp or just plain mess around.
There are vastly superior choices for those tasks already in the game.
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i would love to see your stats for the late war arena. how many hours do you spend in slow early war aircraft looking for cvs or bombing ground vehicles?
oh so this is all about the late war? yeesh...im sure the PBY would see alot more use in the early/mid war arena's though.
There are vastly superior choices for those tasks already in the game.
ever stop to think about the early war? we dont have much along the lines of a cv killer in there other than the JU-88.
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The Ju88, Boston Mk III and G4M1 are all vastly superior choices in the EWA.
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The Ju88, Boston Mk III and G4M1 are all vastly superior choices in the EWA.
how is the betty vastly superior? its ripped apart by a few .303's and its payload isnt that great. the boston and the JU-88 are just a step better than the PBY though. i think the PBY would fare better than the betty.
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you can do much more than ruin a CV party, you can go scouting for a CV, bomber GV's if your that butthurt about being killed over and over in a spawn camp or just plain mess around.
Why use a PBY to scout for a CV when a bomber or even a fighter is much more effective? I too am one that would like to see the PBY added but I am also a realist and realize that the PBY currently does not have a place in AH and would be a waste of development time to add.
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you can do much more than ruin a CV party, you can go scouting for a CV, bomber GV's if your that butthurt about being killed over and over in a spawn camp or just plain mess around.
Take a fighter, fill it up with fuel, and fly in circles for 2 sectors+ and tell me if that's any fun. Now imagine doing it but 2-3x slower. You want to break a spawn camp? Bring in an A20 or level bombers for the VHs. The PBY was a good plane, no doubt, but in the MA, it'll see as much use as a D3A1.
And if you played online, you would notice that almost all CVs are found either accidentally or because the other country began their attack with it. Elimanating the need for any "scout" planes. Only a few time have I ever seen anyone scout for a CV. Such as hiding them in a corner of the map and the port is captured.
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oh so this is all about the late war? yeesh...im sure the PBY would see alot more use in the early/mid war arena's though.
ever stop to think about the early war? we dont have much along the lines of a cv killer in there other than the JU-88.
The problems that would make the PBY a hanger queen in the Late War arena would also delegate it to hanger queen status in the Early and Mid-War arenas as well.
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oh so this is all about the late war? yeesh...im sure the PBY would see alot more use in the early/mid war arena's though.
what's your call sign, i'd like to see for myself how much time you spend in early/mid war arenas. the early war arena is probably the only arena a pby would survive a flight around 1 sector, nobody is in there.
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what's your call sign, i'd like to see for myself how much time you spend in early/mid war arenas. the early war arena is probably the only arena a pby would survive a flight around 1 sector, nobody is in there.
IIRC, he only plays offline.
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IIRC, he only plays offline.
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oh that's right, explains the delusions.
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how is the betty vastly superior? its ripped apart by a few .303's and its payload isnt that great. the boston and the JU-88 are just a step better than the PBY though. i think the PBY would fare better than the betty.
Depends on where the .303s hit. I had a nice fight against a C.202 and my G4Ms came out with some bullet holes and nothing worse.
As to why it is better, speed and climb rate. You could probably do two or three G4M sorties in the time it takes to do one with a PBY. The Ju88 is slower on the climb, but still much faster. All three of those bombers are more likely to survive to reach the IP than the PBY.
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Won't need the PBY for two weeks until the Subs get here.
(http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww16/YAMATO_NJ_91/0875912.jpg)
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When Combat Theater was in development, I thought there would be a niche for the PBY and other “scout” planes. In the MA, where the world is a constant furball, I just don’t seem them being used. Even in Scenarios, I’ve seen a severe lack of interest in the playing community (hell, I had a hard time convincing SEA players that Torpedo planes were a viable offensive weapons platform). But in the Combat Theater, where there could be massive areas of relatively empty airspace, flying around looking for targets could really work.
The only thought I had on MA utility, would be to give some advantage to the MARPAT planes for CV spotting. Basically, my idea was that if a designated “Scout” plane was able to target a surface unit, that unit would appear on the clipboard of everyone on that side. I really don’t know how useful that would be, but it might help with any CV hiding issues, and to be honest, I haven’t been in the game in years, so I don’t even know if that’s still a constant complaint or not.
-Sik
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pilot rescue is one of the main arguments for adding the pby, besides what else would you want to do with it? make an attempt to drop 4000lbs of bombs on a cv from 15,000ft at ~170mph? i don't mind a suicide run once in a while but, it gets tiresome quickly.
what i said was neither ignorant nor generalized as both of those would require making a statement without having fully considered the utility of the pby in the main arena. in a battle near a friendly base, if you ditch or bail a jeep or half track would be faster getting to you than a pby. in a battle near a friendly cv, if you ditch or bail on water, a pt boat would be faster getting to you and it has a slightly higher probability than the pby of surviving the effort. any battle around enemy bases, it would not only be time consuming making the attempt but nearly impossible to succeed, not only due to the enemy units in the area but the terrain as well. the pby is big and slower than anything in the ww2 arenas, the only thing it has going for it is the ability to carry bombs and barely adequate defensive armament.
it would most likely be used frequently for one tour after being introduced, then only those who find themselves bored and new people who are curious would try it out.
The part of your first post "...seriously anyone who brings up the idea of pilot rescue has no idea how long it would actually take and hasn't thought about all the conditions that would make most attempts fruitless..." is a textbook example of a generalized statement made out of ignorance. You have no way of knowing if some one who brings up the idea of pilot rescue has considered all the conditions of the idea or not (this is the ignorant part of your statement) and your use of the word "anyone" in your post makes it a generalized statement by inferring that 100% of the people who bring up the idea of pilot rescue give the same amount of thought to the idea.
Now that I've said that: I agree with you that the PBY would be mostly a large slow target and that if pilot rescue where a part of the game there would be faster/safer/better ways of retrieving that pilot; my first post on this thread was just made in order to point out a real life use of the PBY that might see eventual inclusion in AH besides recon or maritime attack. You seem to think (I could be wrong about this so feel free to let me know) that I am connecting pilot rescue solely with the PBY and that is why you made your statement before. Maybe it would help if I made my position clear. Aside from being a great looking plane and historically significant, I don't think the PBY has a place in AH yet or even in the near future for several reasons that I can list if you want; I do think that pilot rescue does have a place in AH sometime down the road a few years; no I don't want pilot rescue included just so myself or others can still get their "name in lights" after being shot down. I do think that if pilot rescue was a part of this game other planes would be used much more often for the role even if the PBY was a part of the plane set.
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The part of your first post "...seriously anyone who brings up the idea of pilot rescue has no idea how long it would actually take and hasn't thought about all the conditions that would make most attempts fruitless..." is a textbook example of a generalized statement made out of ignorance. You have no way of knowing if some one who brings up the idea of pilot rescue has considered all the conditions of the idea or not (this is the ignorant part of your statement) and your use of the word "anyone" in your post makes it a generalized statement by inferring that 100% of the people who bring up the idea of pilot rescue give the same amount of thought to the idea.
ok you got me on that one. i should have started by fully stating i was surprised you brought the idea up, didn't expect it. after being in the midst of the previous extended discussion on said aircraft in the wishlist, those who brought up the idea of using the pby for pilot rescue did not care to consider anything but "how cool it would be", so i didn't believe what i stated would be generalizing.
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Thats understandable gyrene. I would probably have done similar if I had been through the same situation you had. :salute
Back to the topic, personaly I would much rather have the IJN "emily" than the PBY; mostly based on looks and functionality.
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The only way the PBY would be a viable aircraft in AH would be if we were to finally get a real night time modeled and use it as a night time intruder aircraft.
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thats so EASY reduce vis (no mater what grama settings) and no icons at night!
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thats so EASY reduce vis (no mater what grama settings) and no icons at night!
gamma cant be controlled by the admins because you cant have 1 size fit all gamma in game.
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thats so EASY reduce vis (no mater what grama settings) and no icons at night!
Which is why I said a "real night time" modeled so you couldn't up the gamma to make is as bright as day. Sheesh...don't you kids learn reading comprehension in school these days?
gamma cant be controlled by the admins because you cant have 1 size fit all gamma in game.
Yes it can.
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Which is why I said a "real night time" modeled so you couldn't up the gamma to make is as bright as day. Sheesh...don't you kids learn reading comprehension in school these days?
Yes it can.
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ok i think the admins could control gamma in game, but there is no "1 size fits all" for gamma. i have to turn mine way down because of my monitor brightness. if you model a "true night" in the MA's or any other arena, then the people who have a very high monitor brightness will see it like a dawn/dusk thing possibly.
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ok i think the admins could control gamma in game, but there is no "1 size fits all" for gamma. i have to turn mine way down because of my monitor brightness. if you model a "true night" in the MA's or any other arena, then the people who have a very high monitor brightness will see it like a dawn/dusk thing possibly.
Turn your moniter brightness down..
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Turn your moniter brightness down..
its lower than half right now. and i dont think turning it down will make much of a difference, but why would one turn down the monitor brightness over a game? if your that worried about it then you need to chillax, take a swig of some orphan tears and let the hallucinations roll on in...
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its lower than half right now. and i dont think turning it down will make much of a difference, but why would one turn down the monitor brightness over a game? if your that worried about it then you need to chillax, take a swig of some orphan tears and let the hallucinations roll on in...
my god... i should have kept rays number
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Which is why I said a "real night time" modeled so you couldn't up the gamma to make is as bright as day. Sheesh...don't you kids learn reading comprehension in school these days?
Yes it can.
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dont u know anyting btw i mean if u make so u reduce vis range at night. no mater how muhc grama u turn up it will still be a vis limit
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my god... i should have kept rays number
uhh...what?
dont u know anything
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ask Ack that question when hes at least 90 years old. seriously, do you know who your talking to? :lol
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dont u know anyting btw i mean if u make so u reduce vis range at night. no mater how muhc grama u turn up it will still be a vis limit
no habla whatever language that is...
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Did I really just read "the admins can control gamma" followed by "turn your monitor brightness down?" Logic these days, I swear.
Admin takes away gamma slider -> Player uses brightness slider on the monitor, video driver gamma adjustment, or in my case, the handy-dandy increased gamma mode buttons on my monitor, to crank it outside of the game's controls.
As to reducing the visual range so that gamma doesn't make a difference...it'd seem kinda strange to have planes appearing out of thin air. Moving the fog in to ridiculous closeness would work, I suppose, but still suffers from looking very odd.
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Night time SEA setups have continued to be a problem. I would like to see the day where it would be technically possible to have them though in the MA as well as SEA. Absolutely.
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2 us torps sink a cv regardless if it has low survivability it can release both torps as soon as 40mm opens up and sink a cv... without 5in guys manning and looking this baby will sink cvs left and right. (an exaggeration but very doable). is can be introduced with only airfield take off...what ever until a diff water system is employed
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2 us torps sink a cv regardless if it has low survivability it can release both torps as soon as 40mm opens up and sink a cv... without 5in guys manning and looking this baby will sink cvs left and right. (an exaggeration but very doable). is can be introduced with only airfield take off...what ever until a diff water system is employed
x2 but the port ops would be a def. plus.
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I believe that a PBY would be carriers version of the C47. It would not be a paratroopers plane, but it would be able to land in or near town and drop off troops. Either land or para drop supplies, mark targets , and can carry a bomb and bombsite which would make it a seaborne light bomber and torpedo plane. I ll give more ideas if asked but I think it should be added as the carriers version of the C47.
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I believe that a PBY would be carriers version of the C47.
Ummm ..... heh ....... It wouldn't. They were shore based. And ....
"During World War II, PBYs were used in anti-submarine warfare, patrol bombing, convoy escorts, search and rescue missions (especially air-sea rescue), and cargo transport."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBY_Catalina
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and my father happened to be stationed on a sea plane tender at sea, yes they are sea based, they even had them in vietnam, that was my dad's first squadron was a bunch of seaplanes in the tonkin gulf , get your history right , and they can carry troops, just not be paradropable troops
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2 us torps sink a cv regardless if it has low survivability it can release both torps as soon as 40mm opens up and sink a cv... without 5in guys manning and looking this baby will sink cvs left and right. (an exaggeration but very doable). is can be introduced with only airfield take off...what ever until a diff water system is employed
Can you name one CV sunk by a PBY with torps during the entire war?
In AH a PBY floating into a CV group would be crow bait. The only chance it would have is if there were no enemy in any guns or aircraft at all.
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Can you name one CV sunk by a PBY with torps during the entire war?
In AH a PBY floating into a CV group would be crow bait. The only chance it would have is if there were no enemy in any guns or aircraft at all.
While PBYs didn't sink any CVs during the war, they did on occasion have the opportunity to attack them.
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A quick hijack to respond to the "We want night guys"
You do realize that at night, aircraft are still highly visible? A grey speck on black, as opposed to on blue. Try it out yourself.
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Can you name one CV sunk by a PBY with torps during the entire war?
In AH a PBY floating into a CV group would be crow bait. The only chance it would have is if there were no enemy in any guns or aircraft at all.
25 of them, at least 1 or two would get past... right?
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Can you name one CV sunk by a PBY with torps during the entire war?
In AH a PBY floating into a CV group would be crow bait. The only chance it would have is if there were no enemy in any guns or aircraft at all.
all torp planes are "crow bait" but I still sink ships. I just come from the side the gunners are not likely to be looking. Also the pby did torp ships albit not any CVs but doesn't mean anything. Did the ju88 sink any CVs (I'm not sure but I doubt it). The plane also probably took of from land more then water (it saves fuel and takeoff is shorter) so I wouldn't even care if it can't land in water. Many people fly a plane because they like it; not because it is uber. Personally I love the p39d. It's a peice of crap in LW but I still love it's look and the guadalcanal camo skin. The pby is a gorgeous airplane and people would fly her just for that not to mention carrying 2 torps.
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P-39D is a god plane compared to the PBY-5 in terms of AH.
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I mean , a task group based bomber would be a great addition, I think if the JU 88 can sink a CV so can a PBY with a lot of skill, I also think that the pby would make a great plane to land and drop troops near town, it could be used to scout in Special Events, and would be an excellent air plane, if we dont need it, why do we need a JU87 with 30mm guns just saying
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When talking about Special Event use in the PTO, a D4Y for example would make a helluva lot more sense than a PBY or Devastator for that matter.
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if we dont need it, why do we need a JU87 with 30mm guns just saying
We don't have one. :)
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I mean , a task group based bomber would be a great addition, I think if the JU 88 can sink a CV so can a PBY with a lot of skill, I also think that the pby would make a great plane to land and drop troops near town, it could be used to scout in Special Events, and would be an excellent air plane, if we dont need it, why do we need a JU87 with 30mm guns just saying
1 ju88 can't sink a cv (it takes 3 German/jap toros) so you need a formation. The pby wouldn't get a formation but could sink a cv by itself with 2 US torps.
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We don't have one. :)
Then what was the JU87 model we just added, what are those 57mm gun pods , i thought they were 30mike mikes
just saying :cheers:
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Then what was the JU87 model we just added, what are those 57mm gun pods , i thought they were 30mike mikes
just saying :cheers:
37mm
The Ju87G-2 has far, far more use in the MA and in scenarios than the PBY-5 would. It is also a cheap addition as it is a variant of an existing aircraft thus requiring a lot less work for HTC to add.
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really the only way the PBY would fit into AH is if we had subs which I would like to see added as well lol
I am a very big fan of the PBY catalina I love the looks and the arment later versions could boast 20mm cannons in the nose :devil
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I am a very big fan of the PBY catalina I love the looks and the arment later versions could boast 20mm cannons in the nose :devil
Only one was field modded with 20mm cannons, it was far more common for a PBY to be modded with .50 caliber machine guns in the nose.
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