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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: MachFly on September 29, 2011, 01:08:13 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/seven-students-wealthy-school-district-arrested-sat-cheating-173657148.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/seven-students-wealthy-school-district-arrested-sat-cheating-173657148.html)
New York authorities arrested seven former and current students at a top-ranked Long Island high school after charging that one of them, 19-year-old Sam Eshaghoff, collected up to $2,500 a pop to impersonate the others while taking the SAT.
Eshaghoff, who attends Emory University, is even accused of impersonating a female student in one case, the AP reports. (Eshaghoff allegedly did not charge her a fee, as he did with the other students in the case.) It's not clear how he pulled off this particular case of mistaken identity, since students have to present a photo ID that matches the name on their SAT admission ticket before administrators of the test permit them to proceed. He scored around 2200 on each test, just 200 points lower than a perfect score. You can watch a video report on the scandal below, courtesy of MSNBC.
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I did not know the SAT is worth that much. :headscratch:
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/seven-students-wealthy-school-district-arrested-sat-cheating-173657148.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/seven-students-wealthy-school-district-arrested-sat-cheating-173657148.html)
I did not know the SAT is worth that much. :headscratch: :rofl
This bothers me...arrested?? On what criminal charges are there for cheating on a private voluntary exam?
A little harsh IMHO...
...really interested to see what criminal charges are being brought up with this...
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Can you get arrested for impersonating someone?
This bothers me...arrested?? On what criminal charges are there for cheating on a private voluntary exam?
A little harsh IMHO...
...really interested to see what criminal charges are being brought up with this...
Agreed. I doubt they will actually put him in prison, it's probably an overnight thing or something like that.
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This bothers me...arrested?? On what criminal charges are there for cheating on a private voluntary exam?
A little harsh IMHO...
...really interested to see what criminal charges are being brought up with this...
Exact same thing I thought when I read that. I was surprised he had been arrested.
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The only thing I can think up of is either two things:
1.) It is NOT illegal to have a fake ID, only to use said fake ID to commit a crime. But however, this is a voluntary private test...this is NOT a government issued exam, but issued by a private organization... it is not illegal to cheat on a private issued exam...so this can't be it...
2.) Not paying taxes from his payments .... :rofl
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2.) Not paying taxes from his payments .... :rofl
If they payed in cash you don't need taxes, so were back to #1. :rofl
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If they payed in cash you don't need taxes, so were back to #1. :rofl
I do not see the charges that have to be filed in order to arrest someone....:headscratch:
as far as impersonating another person (not law enforcement) it is only illegal if you do so by actively participating in legal matters...IE: You impersonate your brother to help pay for his parking ticket in front of a judge, or you impersonate your friend while your being issued a ticket, ect......this is at least all I could find on that subject...
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fraud anybody? attempting to misrepresent the facts?
semp
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fraud anybody? attempting to misrepresent the facts?
semp
But he didnt defraud anyone for financial, or any other gain (unless the gain is the grade on the sat). The ppl he made the money from were in on it. question is can a grade on an SAT be considered a gain. :headscratch:
Must admit though, fraud was my first thought as well. I investigate fraud at work, but its always related to some type of financial gain........
Now if he lied (mis represented the facts) to Law Enforcement about the whole thng then its a crime.
Interesting stuff.....i think ur on to something here semp :aok
In criminal law, a fraud is an intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual;. The specific legal definition varies by legal jurisdiction. (yes i found the definition on wiki, just to early to open my dictionary, and not enough coffee yet :D) But its an accurate definition
Ill have to check my Blacks Law Dictionary to see how a "gain" is looked at by the courts.
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Holy cow!!!
The SAT is used for scholarship qualification, college qualifications, and even job applications.
How nobody recognizes this is fraud or is even illegal completely amazes me.
We are so doomed.
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Holy cow!!!
The SAT is used for scholarship qualification, college qualifications, and even job applications.
How nobody recognizes this is fraud or is even illegal completely amazes me.
We are so doomed.
exactly.
and i see 6 counts of fraud.
19-year-old Sam Eshaghoff, collected up to $2,500 a pop to impersonate the others while taking the SAT.
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This bothers me...arrested?? On what criminal charges are there for cheating on a private voluntary exam?
A little harsh IMHO...
...really interested to see what criminal charges are being brought up with this...
he would have to forge official documents to impersonate these people. not harsh at all.
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:aok
Fraud.
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he would have to forge official documents to impersonate these people. not harsh at all.
Whoops...never MIND! Found the Jewel to the case:
In New York, simple possession of anothers DLIC is covered under the Vehicle and Traffic Law (VTL). However, depending on what you do with it, it could be False Persenation (class B misdermeanor) or Criminal Impersenation (Class A Mis), under the NYS Penal Law. Making a fake DLIC in NY is considered Forgery in the 2nd (Class D Felony). Possession of a altered DLIC in considered Criminal Possession of a Forged Insturment 3rd ( A Mis) or 2nd (D Felony), depending on what you do with it.
Underage individuals caught with fakes, according to an article in the NYU newspaper The Washington Square News, will incur a maximum penalty of one year in state prison. The minimum penalty, the article states, is a court summons, and most offenders are fined, the Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control laws state.
However if you are cited for a more serious offense then possessing a fraudulent driver’s license can be a felony in New York state and is punishable on a state and federal level, according to New York state law. False ID possession is handled on a case-by-case basis by the courts and can result in a fine of up to $1,000 for first-time offenders.
If the ID does not list the owner’s legal name and address, it may be considered criminal impersonation. Both accounts are punishable by up to a year in jail as well as a $1,000 fine. Minors who pay to gain entry into a club or to obtain a confiscated ID can also be charged with commercial bribing, according to the New York Post.
How police cited a person can depend upon many variables such as if the person had a prior history of arrests or has previously been penalized for owning a fake ID can all be taken into account. From the many articles we read on this subject it appears that most police officers will only charge them with an offense that comes with a fine if it is the first time the person is being arrested.
We contacted the New York State Troopers to see if they could clarify what penalties one would receive for having in their possession a fake driver's license that states they are older than they are. Their response was that there are a variety of charges that can be placed on that person including criminal impersonation and possession of a forged instrument - being two of the more serious ones.
The NYS trooper representative noted that conviction of these serious types of offense will give you a criminal record and can affect your job choices in the future. He also stated that to get information on how your local police and courts deal with those that are found with fake identification contact your local district attorney's office. You can also contact the NYS Department of Motor Vehicles to see how a fake driver's license may affect your driving record and driving privileges.
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Can you get arrested for impersonating someone?
Not if the person you're impersonating gives you his/her permission to do so.
Since the test is private and voluntary they should not have legal grounds to charge him with fraud and to nail him with impersonation in this situation the person that was impersonated would have to be the one bringing charges up.
lol.
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http://news.yahoo.com/students-arrested-sat-cheating-case-ny-192127240.html
He has pleaded not guilty to charges of scheming to defraud, criminal impersonation and falsifying business records. He's a student at Emory University in Atlanta and also attended the University of Michigan; he posted $500 bail and was released.
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impersonating a female student in one case, the AP reports. (Eshaghoff allegedly did not charge her a fee, as he did with the other students in the case.)
I'm sure he got (rhymes with paid) for this one.
That could be another felony charge if that is the case.
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There should be multiple arrests on this one. The test taker as already listed. Those that paid him for conspiracy to commit fraud. The fraud being that the SAT scores can be used for admission to schools the dumb people could not make on their own not to mention the use of the SAT to obtain scholastic based scholarships. There is your financial gain. There is also academic fraud but that is based simply on the school and rectified by terminating the fraudulent student's enrollment.
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If they payed in cash you don't need taxes, so were back to #1. :rofl
I hope you're not suggesting that by getting paid in cash, the guy has no legal obligation to pay taxes on the money. Because if you are, you're wrong.
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Whoops...never MIND! Found the Jewel to the case:
In New York, simple possession of anothers DLIC is covered under the Vehicle and Traffic Law (VTL). However, depending on what you do with it, it could be False Persenation (class B misdermeanor) or Criminal Impersenation (Class A Mis), under the NYS Penal Law. Making a fake DLIC in NY is considered Forgery in the 2nd (Class D Felony). Possession of a altered DLIC in considered Criminal Possession of a Forged Insturment 3rd ( A Mis) or 2nd (D Felony), depending on what you do with it.
Underage individuals caught with fakes, according to an article in the NYU newspaper The Washington Square News, will incur a maximum penalty of one year in state prison. The minimum penalty, the article states, is a court summons, and most offenders are fined, the Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control laws state.
However if you are cited for a more serious offense then possessing a fraudulent driver’s license can be a felony in New York state and is punishable on a state and federal level, according to New York state law. False ID possession is handled on a case-by-case basis by the courts and can result in a fine of up to $1,000 for first-time offenders.
If the ID does not list the owner’s legal name and address, it may be considered criminal impersonation. Both accounts are punishable by up to a year in jail as well as a $1,000 fine. Minors who pay to gain entry into a club or to obtain a confiscated ID can also be charged with commercial bribing, according to the New York Post.
How police cited a person can depend upon many variables such as if the person had a prior history of arrests or has previously been penalized for owning a fake ID can all be taken into account. From the many articles we read on this subject it appears that most police officers will only charge them with an offense that comes with a fine if it is the first time the person is being arrested.
We contacted the New York State Troopers to see if they could clarify what penalties one would receive for having in their possession a fake driver's license that states they are older than they are. Their response was that there are a variety of charges that can be placed on that person including criminal impersonation and possession of a forged instrument - being two of the more serious ones.
The NYS trooper representative noted that conviction of these serious types of offense will give you a criminal record and can affect your job choices in the future. He also stated that to get information on how your local police and courts deal with those that are found with fake identification contact your local district attorney's office. You can also contact the NYS Department of Motor Vehicles to see how a fake driver's license may affect your driving record and driving privileges.
dude....i imagine you're young, thus conform to the "it's always someone else's fault" theory......but face it. this guy committed fraud. plain and simple. there's other stuff too. obviously.
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dude....i imagine you're young, thus conform to the "it's always someone else's fault" theory......but face it. this guy committed fraud. plain and simple. there's other stuff too. obviously.
:huh I just posted a block of information stating what he did was criminal...I have no clue how you came to that conclusion