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Title: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: saggs on September 30, 2011, 02:58:36 AM
I just bought a Kindle about a month ago, I'm happy with it except...   ...NOW they release a new one, that's touchscreen AND $15 cheaper.  Why did no one tell me this was coming?   :furious  :bhead

Seriously were there any hint's or leaks that this was coming that I just missed?  Seems usually stuff like this gets hyped for a few months before release.  I would have waited a month to get one with a touchscreen for less $$$ if I'd only had a clue it was coming.
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: -tronski- on September 30, 2011, 03:01:02 AM
Contact them and ask if they can do something for you

 Tronsky
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: eagl on September 30, 2011, 06:29:30 AM
I personally think I'd prefer the older ones.  If they slash the price on the gray ones with the keyboards I might buy one to replace my aging kindle2, just to get wifi and worldwide 3G.  Mine only has 3G in about 3 square inches somewhere in the US that I never go.

That said, the new kindles are pretty nice :)  The new cheapo basic one has no 3G, is not touchscreen, and doesn't have very good battery life but it is about half the weight of the previous models.
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: CAP1 on September 30, 2011, 08:18:04 AM
I personally think I'd prefer the older ones.  If they slash the price on the gray ones with the keyboards I might buy one to replace my aging kindle2, just to get wifi and worldwide 3G.  Mine only has 3G in about 3 square inches somewhere in the US that I never go.

That said, the new kindles are pretty nice :)  The new cheapo basic one has no 3G, is not touchscreen, and doesn't have very good battery life but it is about half the weight of the previous models.

eagl.....kinda related, but not at the same time.

 what do your maintenance guys use for information? i mean when they're out in the hangar, climbing up on your aircraft, i know that if they need something, they're not gonna climb down, walk back to a computer, get the info, then go back out, so i imagine they have something on the order of a tablet that they carry up on the aircraft with them. what do they use, and are they generally happy with it?
 i ask, 'cause i'm getting tired of having to walk back n forth constantly here at the shop, when i need diagnostic info. it'd be nice to have something i could take to the car with me, but a laptop is a little too bulky.

 
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: titanic3 on September 30, 2011, 08:52:33 AM
A smartphone? iPhone for AT&T, Droid for Verizon. And I'm pretty sure the other smaller phone companies must have their own smart phones. If you get bad signal due to where you live on a phone, then I doubt a Wi-Fi connection would be any better.
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: saggs on September 30, 2011, 09:49:03 AM

 what do your maintenance guys use for information? i mean when they're out in the hangar, climbing up on your aircraft, i know that if they need something, they're not gonna climb down, walk back to a computer, get the info, then go back out, so i imagine they have something on the order of a tablet that they carry up on the aircraft with them. what do they use, and are they generally happy with it?
 i ask, 'cause i'm getting tired of having to walk back n forth constantly here at the shop, when i need diagnostic info. it'd be nice to have something i could take to the car with me, but a laptop is a little too bulky.

 

I'm not eagl, but I am almost an A&P (got the P half done, working on the A).  I know that if you don't have some approved documentation with you when working on a plane, and the FAA inspector happens to come by, you're in some kind of doo-doo.  The airlines all have their own system which basically involves some kind of job cards with very, very detailed instructions that are printed off for each job then filed after they are signed by the technician and inspector.  Or if it's some kind of structural repair that is not in the structural repair manual, they have to call the manufacturer and get them to make up an approved repair plan for them (which isn't cheap)

In GA stuff most FBOs have software that has all the manuals for every certified airframe and engine out there, and they will just print off the applicable pages/checklists for the repair or maintenance or inspection they are doing and take it with them.  In the case there is nothing in the manual then they can use other approved data like FAR part 43 or AC 43-13-1b. Or there is the mythical FAA field approval, which I don't believe ever happen anymore.

I have put some textbooks and study aids in PDF format on my Kindle which is pretty handy.

Back on topic, I think that $99 Kindle touch looks pretty sweet, but I'll have to be content with the one I got.  I'm not about to get caught up in the latest and greatest craze, that a good way to waste money methinks.   I was just shocked since I had heard absolutly nothing about a new Kindle coming, and then one day, BAM...  here's not one but 4 new Kindle products with no warning or hints that I know of.

Also I wonder if that $199 tablet will compete with the Apple and Android tablets.  They sure have a competitive price point. I guess the quality of the product remains to be seen though.
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: Trell on September 30, 2011, 09:52:56 AM
I actually don't think i like the new ones as much as the old ones,  does not look like you can read one handed.
the price is perfect, the product is just following the me too crowd.  I will be happy to stick with the kindle 3.

Now i am going to buy the fire.  I hope that works out for what i want it to do.
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: saggs on September 30, 2011, 10:04:20 AM
If they slash the price on the gray ones with the keyboards I might buy one to replace my aging kindle2, just to get wifi and worldwide 3G.  

They did, I paid $114 for mine (wi-fi only) about 5 weeks ago, now they are listing it for $99 same as the new touchpad one.

I actually don't think i like the new ones as much as the old ones,  does not look like you can read one handed.
the price is perfect, the product is just following the me too crowd.  I will be happy to stick with the kindle 3.

Now i am going to buy the fire.  I hope that works out for what i want it to do.


I'm just thinking of how much easier the interface will be with a touchscreen.  That's the one annoying thing I've found so far is using the d-pad to move around, like when I want to make a highlight or bring up a word in the dictionary I have to click through 100 other words with the pad to get to the one I want.  Or making collections, you click all over selecting what you want, and then click clear back down to the bottom to push OK.   The touchscreen would just make things work significantly faster IMO.  

But yea for what I'm doing 95% of the time on it (reading) any of them are just as good.   So having just bought this one, I'm not about to drop $99 just for that convenience.  If they offered some kind of trade-in/trade-up program I would consider it though, but I doubt they will.
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: Vudu15 on September 30, 2011, 11:42:52 AM
In the army we use toughbooks for our acft historical plus they contain all of our maintenance books.
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 30, 2011, 07:34:50 PM
You realise you can get kindle apps for your PC, Mac, iPhone, iPad, BlackBerry, and Android. right?

I dont see why anyone would go out an buy a separate kindle
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: F22RaptorDude on September 30, 2011, 07:44:27 PM
Man my phone was outdated a month after I got it
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: CAP1 on September 30, 2011, 07:52:50 PM
the thing i asked, is due to the fact, that a phone is a little too small, and a laptop is too big, although i may be stuck with that option.
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 30, 2011, 08:00:05 PM
I mean tablet. with teh way tablets and tablet PCs are gaining in popularity. why buy a kindle when you can have everything in one?
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: sluggish on September 30, 2011, 08:03:27 PM
Technology keeps rolling along.  That means the thing that you buy today will be outdated tomorrow.  That means that the price you pay for something today bares no relation to what that thing will be worth two months from now.  Don't beat yourself up over it; it's the nature of the industry.
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: CAP1 on September 30, 2011, 08:09:06 PM
I mean tablet. with teh way tablets and tablet PCs are gaining in popularity. why buy a kindle when you can have everything in one?

i think it was you that posted either here, or on fw, about using a tablet.....and that's what got me thinking about one in the bays. i mean, since i have wireless at the shop, i could be sitting in the car, with my scanner, and pull up the code information without even getting out. it  could save me boatloads of time to be honest........
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: Seanaldinho on September 30, 2011, 08:42:48 PM
I mean tablet. with teh way tablets and tablet PCs are gaining in popularity. why buy a kindle when you can have everything in one?

Within the next two years my school district will be bringing in a tablet to every student who will make a small payment each year until its paid off...

*DOH*

Huge waste of money especially considering the people who cant afford a tablet.
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: eagl on September 30, 2011, 08:49:43 PM
eagl.....kinda related, but not at the same time.

 what do your maintenance guys use for information? i mean when they're out in the hangar, climbing up on your aircraft, i know that if they need something, they're not gonna climb down, walk back to a computer, get the info, then go back out, so i imagine they have something on the order of a tablet that they carry up on the aircraft with them. what do they use, and are they generally happy with it?
 i ask, 'cause i'm getting tired of having to walk back n forth constantly here at the shop, when i need diagnostic info. it'd be nice to have something i could take to the car with me, but a laptop is a little too bulky.

Tech orders in small ringed binders.  Work cards that fit on clipboards.  If it's not in the job cards then they have a whole bookcase of manuals covering everything from how to change a tire to what kind of kapton/teflon tape to use to wrap wire number 4456A at the bulkhead 43A access hole after the crappy anti-chafing O-ring falls out and the wire rubs through the insulation, causing crosstalk errors in the avionics.

The AF has been trying to go with some sort of electronic tablets especially for training, but at least with the T-6 they're still using paper, binders, clipboards, etc.  It's hard to break away from old school especially since you can trace a lot of accidents to someone forgetting to do step 56 in the paper checklist (hooking the cross-strap bracket to the pulley counterbalance assembly and securing with safety wire) before screwing the access panel back on.  Initials on both the work card and the inspection card go a long way to ensuring people don't accidentally skip steps.
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: eagl on September 30, 2011, 08:53:10 PM
You realise you can get kindle apps for your PC, Mac, iPhone, iPad, BlackBerry, and Android. right?

I dont see why anyone would go out an buy a separate kindle

None of those other things you mentioned has a 1-month battery life, and none of them are easy to read in direct sunlight.  None are free EVERYWHERE to download new books purchased or procured from Amazon.  Lots of other reasons, but those are big ones for me.  Not having to charge it, not worrying about glare, form factor, all are reasons why my kindle is how I read most of my books nowadays.
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: CAP1 on September 30, 2011, 09:33:28 PM
Tech orders in small ringed binders.  Work cards that fit on clipboards.  If it's not in the job cards then they have a whole bookcase of manuals covering everything from how to change a tire to what kind of kapton/teflon tape to use to wrap wire number 4456A at the bulkhead 43A access hole after the crappy anti-chafing O-ring falls out and the wire rubs through the insulation, causing crosstalk errors in the avionics.

The AF has been trying to go with some sort of electronic tablets especially for training, but at least with the T-6 they're still using paper, binders, clipboards, etc.  It's hard to break away from old school especially since you can trace a lot of accidents to someone forgetting to do step 56 in the paper checklist (hooking the cross-strap bracket to the pulley counterbalance assembly and securing with safety wire) before screwing the access panel back on.  Initials on both the work card and the inspection card go a long way to ensuring people don't accidentally skip steps.


gotcha. i was thinking of the flow charts, for different diagnostic problems, and how the military would try to streamline these. keeping things on paper makes more sense though/
Title: Re: New Kindle = buyers remorse
Post by: saggs on September 30, 2011, 09:46:33 PM
You realise you can get kindle apps for your PC, Mac, iPhone, iPad, BlackBerry, and Android. right?

I dont see why anyone would go out an buy a separate kindle

I do not have, nor do I want to have a so called smart phone or tablet.  I have an old fashioned flip cell phone, a desktop PC and a laptop PC, between them I have all of my computing/phone needs covered more then adequately.

What I want is a portable device just for reading, and for that the Kindle wins. 

-crazy long battery life
-much less expensive
-no glare screen
-no back-lit screen (after reading for a couple hours on a back-lit screen I get a headache)
-doesn't put off heat in use