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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hajo on September 30, 2011, 12:36:17 PM
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I'm not......I've been around awhile and recognize a lot since the beginning of Hot rodding and Muscle.
I favor Mopar but here are some observations from many years of experience.
Best small block: 327 cu inch Chevy. Ya.....many will say 302 Chevy, 302 Ford. But the most versatile
........................and differing HP ratings of the 327 and the reliability of the 327 make it a favorite of mine.
Most Versatile ground up powerplant for hot rodding: Yup....again imho the 350 crate engine. Easy to
work with fits into most everything and parts abound. Easy for quicker builds.
Best Big block: Hemi was in the 60s and still is today. The old stock blocks could take up to 1000 HP
with few problems. 427 Chevy best GM big block, 428 best Ford big block. I was around when Ford and Chevy
got down on their hands and knees and cried FOUL to NASCAR about the Hemi and how unfair it was..LOL.
I didn't forget about the Ford 429...it just wasn't as good as the 428 imho.
Difference between then and now NASCAR: This is why I like drag racing. Then it used to be about engine builders
and crew. Now NASCAR wants parody. Who wants parody??? NASCAR = Boring. Drag racing encourages innovation
so that crews within class can tweak more.
Best American Race Car of all time. Shelby Cobra Daytona. Hell they beat Ferarri! The World Champion!
Only 6 of them built and to me the most under appreciated automobile of all time.
This is where Ford lost me forever. After the Shelbys won the world championship Ford refused to pay for the shipping
to be brought back home! Because of that I will never ever purchase a Ford product.....the cheap bastards.
OK....what are your opinions???
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I've been a die hard Mopar fan my whole life but I do agree with your take on the 327s and 350s. But my favorite BB would have to be the 427 Ford...gawd I'd kill to get my hands on one of those badboys. The 396 Chevy, Ford Boss 429 and the Flathead Ford V8 are way up there on my fav list too.
Also I agree with you on Nascar. I've been watching it since the late 60s and it's just not the same sport as it was back in the day. The influx of massive amounts of money/corporate funding have ruined it.
Favorite car for me would be the 1970 Hemi Cuda or Plymouth Superbird <--in Petty blue ofcourse :D.
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best small block ever is the 340
best big Block 383 magnum
best cars of all time.....thats easy
MOPAR
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have to agree with the 327, awesome engine back in the day.
never was much of a fan of the 350 though, to me the ford 289/302 was more versatile and stable when beefed up.
my favorite big blocks were the ford 428 and the pontiac 455 but the 426 hemi was seriously amazing.
back in the 60s-70s i looked forward to every nascar race of the season, now it's painfully boring. the cars don't have any personality like they used to. it used to be interesting to hear the back story for each car and the drivers, now it's nothing more but a run down of car manufacturers. just glad drag racing is still around and mostly unpolluted by coporate politics.
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have to agree with the 327, awesome engine back in the day.
never was much of a fan of the 350 though, to me the ford 289/302 was more versatile and stable when beefed up.
my favorite big blocks were the ford 428 and the pontiac 455 but the 426 hemi was seriously amazing.
back in the 60s-70s i looked forward to every nascar race of the season, now it's painfully boring. the cars don't have any personality like they used to. it used to be interesting to hear the back story for each car and the drivers, now it's nothing more but a run down of car manufacturers. just glad drag racing is still around and mostly unpolluted by coporate politics.
nascar sux arse now bigtime.
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Out of all the Mopar posts, nobody mentions the Max Wedge? :headscratch:
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Out of all the Mopar posts, nobody mentions the Max Wedge? :headscratch:
wedgies are a bad thing... :D
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best small block ever is the 340
best big Block 383 magnum
best cars of all time.....thats easy
MOPAR
Id vote for ya!! :aok
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There's no doubt the max wedge motors made awesome hp and torque, but in the case of the 426 the parts are hard to find, expensive and you had to constantly tune on them to keep that "top" performance. That and they weighed a ton. I think all in all the 440 was better then the 426 as far as reliablity.... less headaches.
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There's no doubt the max wedge motors made awesome hp and torque, but in the case of the 426 the parts are hard to find, expensive and you had to constantly tune on them to keep that "top" performance. That and they weighed a ton. I think all in all the 440 was better then the 426 as far as reliablity.... less headaches.
Actually, the first Max Wedge was a 413 and was not a hemi.
They went with a wedge-shaped combustion chamber instead of the Hemi or poly-spherical (semi-hemi if you prefer) and went with a 3.75" stroke, both of which dropped a lot of weight from the engine without affecting performance :D
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I'm not......I've been around awhile and recognize a lot since the beginning of Hot rodding and Muscle.
I favor Mopar but here are some observations from many years of experience.i already gathered, that like me, you're just a hot rodder...just that you prefer mpars. :aok
Best small block: 327 cu inch Chevy. Ya.....many will say 302 Chevy, 302 Ford. But the most versatile
........................and differing HP ratings of the 327 and the reliability of the 327 make it a favorite of mine.i think if i had to pick the best commonly used small block, it'd be the 260/289/302/5 liter. tons of parts avaliable for any of them, and it ran basically the same from 1961 or so right up till 1994.
i think the best chevy small block, was indeed their 302, and had i driven one of these when i was a teen, i'd probably be a chevy nut right now. i think chevy made a BIG mistake not keeping up production of this engine, and feel it is one of their only small blocks that's not over rated.
mopar.....318 or 340...either one from back then would wipe up the street or drag strip with its ford or chevy counterpart. chrysler lost it in the 70's, along with everyone else. difference being, that ford and chevy came back, and they didn't.
Most Versatile ground up powerplant for hot rodding: Yup....again imho the 350 crate engine. Easy to
work with fits into most everything and parts abound. Easy for quicker builds.i would agree here. the problem is that people don't realize just how easy it is to put a ford engine in just about anything though....or a mopar. keyword=marketing/
Best Big block: Hemi was in the 60s and still is today. The old stock blocks could take up to 1000 HPoohh..you may have dropped the ball here. 427SOHC/
with few problems. 427 Chevy best GM big block, 428 best Ford big block. I was around when Ford and Chevydid you miss when chevy and chrysler cried foul to the point that the 427 SOHC was banned from nascar? if i recall, it could wipe up the track with em.
got down on their hands and knees and cried FOUL to NASCAR about the Hemi and how unfair it was..LOL.
I didn't forget about the Ford 429...it just wasn't as good as the 428 imho.there was never a good street version of the 429 in my opinion. if you're gonna note the 428, you need to pick a version....there were at least 3 performance versions.
Difference between then and now NASCAR: This is why I like drag racing. Then it used to be about engine builders
and crew. Now NASCAR wants parody. Who wants parody??? NASCAR = Boring. Drag racing encourages innovation
so that crews within class can tweak more.nascar sucks now. it didn't used to suck. but then again, that's when ford, lincoln, hudson, and mopar ruled the tracks.
Best American Race Car of all time. Shelby Cobra Daytona. Hell they beat Ferarri! The World Champion!
Only 6 of them built and to me the most under appreciated automobile of all time.
This is where Ford lost me forever. After the Shelbys won the world championship Ford refused to pay for the shipping
to be brought back home! Because of that I will never ever purchase a Ford product.....the cheap bastards.i had never heard thisbefore.
OK....what are your opinions???
you missed the 351 windsor, and cleveland. both respectable engines. everyone forgets about them, and thinks of the 351m when you mention that engine.
you also forgot about the high rise and medium rise 427's. they ruled the tracks too........and the side oiler 427's.
did you know that ford had more nascar wins than anyone? at least up till 2000.
both ford, and chrysler have produced engines, and cars that flat outclass chevy on nearly every race track, as has already been hashed out here, and other places.
want cheap fast easy power? build an old chevy.
want better quality power, that'll be something a little different? build an old ford or dodge. :aok
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Id vote for ya!! :aok
:D
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There was a test many years ago comparing the big blocks of all the makes( I believe it was HotRod that did it), it actually had a very surprising winner out of the bunch, and only a few of you probably have witnessed this engine. The 455 Buick was quite the monster in the GSX back in it's day. It was never a real popular car so it never got much publicity, and the engine never got tossed in anything light like a corvette, mustang, camaro, or E body, so it never showed any awsome 1/4 mile times in a 4000lb car.
Lumping engines as best in a size displacement is also extremely broad. a 426 street hemi is far different then the ones of famed lore. Same thing when people think of 427 chevys, they think of the L88's (over 500), L-71's (435), L-72's (rated 425, but early rated at 450), and the ilk, rather then the run of the mill L-36 (390) Gross numbers obviously (these are in just the corvette line, and impalas and the like and the range gets even bigger).
327 chevy is an even wider ranger starting with 200hp or less 2bbls and going up to the 65 corvettes fueli 365hp. Saying the 350 is a shadow of the 327 is also foolish, take a ride in a 70 LT1 (370hp) and tell me the 350 lost something.
302 ford runs the same gammet from low performance 2bbls to cleveland headed boss 302's. So if you want to pull up best engines of yester year you'll have to be specific as of your choices.
:salute
BigRat
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There was a test many years ago comparing the big blocks of all the makes( I believe it was HotRod that did it), it actually had a very surprising winner out of the bunch, and only a few of you probably have witnessed this engine. The 455 Buick was quite the monster in the GSX back in it's day. It was never a real popular car so it never got much publicity, and the engine never got tossed in anything light like a corvette, mustang, camaro, or E body, so it never showed any awsome 1/4 mile times in a 4000lb car.
Lumping engines as best in a size displacement is also extremely broad. a 426 street hemi is far different then the ones of famed lore. Same thing when people think of 427 chevys, they think of the L88's (over 500), L-71's (435), L-72's (rated 425, but early rated at 450), and the ilk, rather then the run of the mill L-36 (390) Gross numbers obviously (these are in just the corvette line, and impalas and the like and the range gets even bigger).
327 chevy is an even wider ranger starting with 200hp or less 2bbls and going up to the 65 corvettes fueli 365hp. Saying the 350 is a shadow of the 327 is also foolish, take a ride in a 70 LT1 (370hp) and tell me the 350 lost something.
302 ford runs the same gammet from low performance 2bbls to cleveland headed boss 302's. So if you want to pull up best engines of yester year you'll have to be specific as of your choices.
:salute
BigRat
a friend of mine that used to be a cherry hill cop has a 65 gran sport with a 455 in it. thing is monstrously powerful, but in all the years i've known him, that car's never made a single full 1/4 mile pass........something always breaks.
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Actually, the first Max Wedge was a 413 and was not a hemi.
They went with a wedge-shaped combustion chamber instead of the Hemi or poly-spherical (semi-hemi if you prefer) and went with a 3.75" stroke, both of which dropped a lot of weight from the engine without affecting performance :D
The 413 was a truck motor. Yes it did come in a few MOPARS but generally were used in trucks.
1964....introduction of the Street Hemi 426. A day that made we MOPAR fans proud!
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what wouldn't ya give to own this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNRcUOE2NaA&feature=related
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sick :rock
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GOD BLESS THE CAMMER!!
I'm die hard ford, but Ive always had a 1/4 nut for mopars, if i could have any it would be a 68 hemi 4gear roadrunner, 69 440 6-pack roadrunner or a 71 440 6-pack road runner oh yeah i like roadrunners.
another note, the 1970 ford torino cobra with the 429 scj and drag pack option was a high 12 second car from factory
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sick :rock
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Gawd no kidding to have one of those again.
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GOD BLESS THE CAMMER!!
I'm die hard ford, but Ive always had a 1/4 nut for mopars, if i could have any it would be a 68 hemi 4gear roadrunner, 69 440 6-pack roadrunner or a 71 440 6-pack road runner oh yeah i like roadrunners.
another note, the 1970 ford torino cobra with the 429 scj and drag pack option was a high 12 second car from factory
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the 68-69 chargers do it for me for mopar, with the road runners a close second.
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The 413 was a truck motor. Yes it did come in a few MOPARS but generally were used in trucks.
1964....introduction of the Street Hemi 426. A day that made we MOPAR fans proud!
The 413 Max Wedge was an option for Chrysler 300's (the standard 413 making 300hp hence the Chrysler "300") starting in '62, the MW version was made available for street/strip performance (making 420hp) and was also standard on lots of trucks up til '73.
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GOD BLESS THE CAMMER!!
I'm die hard ford, but Ive always had a 1/4 nut for mopars, if i could have any it would be a 68 hemi 4gear roadrunner, 69 440 6-pack roadrunner or a 71 440 6-pack road runner oh yeah i like roadrunners.
another note, the 1970 ford torino cobra with the 429 scj and drag pack option was a high 12 second car from factory
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Although a later model year than you have mentioned, this one is owned by my buddy, is still on nice shape and has a stroked 360 with a 150hp shot from the bottle :bolt:
He has had it since we were in High School and has had many different engines in it over the years :devil It moves pretty good for how heavy it is
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He also had this until recently (also a '74, but with the ole' beast of a 225 slant-6 with almost 300k on it last time I rode with him) :O
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Best BB :old:
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Best SB is the 302 because of versatility. :old:
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455=boat anchor :lol :bolt:
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I believe the 1969 ram air 400 firebird pulled off the fastest stock quarter mile times of all the muscle cars and it happened in more than one magazine.
I was surprised but then I found that the engine had a much more radical camshaft with the manual transmission (no vacuum modulator) and that the manual tranny car they tested was available with 4.33 differential ratio.
You would think the GSX stage 1 or a chevelle would be faster but no tests have confirmed it in stock trim.
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455=boat anchor :lol :bolt:
:rofl
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one word.
thunderbolt
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I believe the 1969 ram air 400 firebird pulled off the fastest stock quarter mile times of all the muscle cars and it happened in more than one magazine.
I was surprised but then I found that the engine had a much more radical camshaft with the manual transmission (no vacuum modulator) and that the manual tranny car they tested was available with 4.33 differential ratio.
You would think the GSX stage 1 or a chevelle would be faster but no tests have confirmed it in stock trim.
think someone needs to go back and do some more research.....fastest quarter mile, stock car would be a Plymouth.....I am not gonna tell you what car....leave that up to you to figure out....... :aok
Ill give ya 0ne hint...oh two cuz I already said it was plymouth....year was 69
and as far as I know...to this date no American "stock" car has pulled better times.
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think someone needs to go back and do some more research.....fastest quarter mile, stock car would be a Plymouth.....I am not gonna tell you what car....leave that up to you to figure out....... :aok
Ill give ya 0ne hint...oh two cuz I already said it was plymouth....year was 69
and as far as I know...to this date no American "stock" car has pulled better times.
was it quicker than 11's?
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was it quicker than 11's?
oh ya...you should know this :old:
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I don't believe the Ford Thunderbolt with the 427sohc ever went into production except for the few built strictly for drag racing. That is the only car I'd rather have then a 70 Cuda. Extremely rare
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455=boat anchor :lol :bolt:
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50 Fastest Muscle Cars 1/4 mile times.
#15 1973 Trans Am 13.54@104.2 455 SD :devil
#20 1970 Torino Cobra 13.63@105.9 429 SCJ
#49 1970 Torino Cobra 13.99@101 429 4V
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-50fast.shtml (http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-50fast.shtml)
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I don't believe the Ford Thunderbolt with the 427sohc ever went into production except for the few built strictly for drag racing. That is the only car I'd rather have then a 70 Cuda. Extremely rare
it was limited, and i believe it was street legal.
from what i recall a friend who had one way back, ford called you, and told you when it would be at the dealer. you had to pick it up the same day, from what he told me.
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50 Fastest Muscle Cars 1/4 mile times.
#15 1973 Trans Am 13.54@104.2 455 SD :devil
#20 1970 Torino Cobra 13.63@105.9 429 SCJ
#49 1970 Torino Cobra 13.99@101 429 4V
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-50fast.shtml (http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-50fast.shtml)
well now ya gotta be careful with that. todays mustangs and camaros seem to be considered muscle cars........the stangs will run 12's easily, and i think the camaros break into the 12's too. :devil
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50 Fastest Muscle Cars 1/4 mile times.
#15 1973 Trans Am 13.54@104.2 455 SD :devil
#20 1970 Torino Cobra 13.63@105.9 429 SCJ
#49 1970 Torino Cobra 13.99@101 429 4V
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-50fast.shtml (http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-50fast.shtml)
hey no ones perfect....but they over looked the fastest by far of them all
mid 10's 68 barracuda
fastest quarter mile American muscle car ever made
and incidentally another little factoid for you "ford" and "chevy" guys the first car to ever hit 200 mph in the quarter mile was a Challenger :neener:
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it was limited, and i believe it was street legal.
from what i recall a friend who had one way back, ford called you, and told you when it would be at the dealer. you had to pick it up the same day, from what he told me.
Now that think about it, I have seen one on the Barrett Jackson Auction show a year or two back. And yep it was street legal. I looked it up and wikipedia says that 111 to 127 were made. Though they were street legal they had no carpeting, sound proofing, armrests, sunvisiors and only a driverside windshield wiper...not even a lug wrench :lol Talk about purpose built. That car was all business!
I seen a interview on some sat. morning carshow where they interviewed some old racer from back in the day and he said that the Thunderbolt was the only car that scared him to drive, as it was just that much of a beast. :lol
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@Cap those are 60/70s, hell a modern asian turbo 4WD 4 banger will rival those times out of the factory. :cry
@Ink, they made like 50ish of those Super Stock between the Cudas and the Darts right? Not really a benchmark material . :lol kind of like the thinking that the 2008 Mustang CJ has anything remotely comparable to a GT.
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hey no ones perfect....but they over looked the fastest by far of them all
mid 10's 68 barracuda
fastest quarter mile American muscle car ever made
and incidentally another little factoid for you "ford" and "chevy" guys the first car to ever hit 200 mph in the quarter mile was a Challenger :neener:
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1 word.
cobrajet :devil
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@Cap those are 60/70s, hell a modern asian turbo 4WD 4 banger will rival those times out of the factory. :cry
@Ink, they made like 50ish of those Super Stock between the Cudas and the Darts right? Not really a benchmark material . :lol kind of like the thinking that the 2008 Mustang CJ has anything remotely comparable to a GT.
they made more then 50 of the Barracuda's and what does that matter...they only made 12(or 9 there is a debate about that) 71 Hemi rag top four speed Cuda's...
my memory fails me on the number of those Barracuda's made...the number 150 comes to mind though...besides, still did mid 10 second quarter mile and with a bit of tweaking it would pull 9's.
well beyond its competition.
1 word.
cobrajet :devil
:headscratch:one word.
thunderbolt
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sorry man I am a hard core Mopar guy....besides the facts the facts...nothing touched that Barracuda back then or today with out major alteration...
and dont make me link some old Nascar races with the Superbird lapping the fords Talladaga's and Torinos like what 50 times.....and more. hell I think Petty lapped his contenders over 100 times in one race...except the other superbirds..... :headscratch:
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they made more then 50 of the Barracuda's and what does that matter...they only made 12(or 9 there is a debate about that) 71 Hemi rag top four speed Cuda's...
my memory fails me on the number of those Barracuda's made...the number 150 comes to mind though...besides, still did mid 10 second quarter mile and with a bit of tweaking it would pull 9's.
well beyond its competition.
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sorry man I am a hard core Mopar guy....besides the facts the facts...nothing touched that Barracuda back then or today with out major alteration...
and dont make me link some old Nascar races with the Superbird lapping the fords Talladaga's and Torinos like what 50 times.....and more. hell I think Petty lapped his contenders over 100 times in one race...except the other superbirds..... :headscratch:
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no sweat. the thunderbolts were factory fords that ran 11's. i actually thought that was all that the mopar equivalents did too.
with the "cobrajet reference, i was referencing the new 2011 and 2012 cobrajets. production cars, although not street legal...not even a vin number....but they run either high 9's or high 8's, depending on which blower.
not street legal, like i said...but they are regular production cars. :devil
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no sweat. the thunderbolts were factory fords that ran 11's. i actually thought that was all that the mopar equivalents did too.
with the "cobrajet reference, i was referencing the new 2011 and 2012 cobrajets. production cars, although not street legal...not even a vin number....but they run either high 9's or high 8's, depending on which blower.
not street legal, like i said...but they are regular production cars. :devil
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43 years of technology since those hay days of pure muscle.....they better be able to produce a car that can do that....otherwise they need to start make lawn mowers.
:D
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43 years of technology since those hay days of pure muscle.....they better be able to produce a car that can do that....otherwise they need to start make lawn mowers.
:D
uumm...then chevy, chrysler, and all the so called euro super car companies better start building lawn mowers. :neener: :devil
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uumm...then chevy, chrysler, and all the so called euro super car companies better start building lawn mowers. :neener: :devil
so true :rofl
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I had both Ford and Mopar running at one time. For me, nothing, and I mean NOTHING, sounded better than a Mopar engine on full boil. Small or big block.
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I had both Ford and Mopar running at one time. For me, nothing, and I mean NOTHING, sounded better than a Mopar engine on full boil. Small or big block.
ohhh my 340 sounded so nice....had a bumbed up cam, not huge, just enough to give it that slight pause.
what was nice about the Carb on the 340 was the primaries were small...the secondaries though were massive...and wow when I put the peddle down.....it had a bad quarter mile...it had 289 gears....but oh boy on the highway.....back in my younger crazier days....the movie vanishing point has nothing on me..... :o
except I was lucky there were no police chases...only once in TX I was clocked at 101 from a state trooper....he gave me no ticket as long as I promised to never come back to Texas. :rofl
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ink, you forgot the 68 hemi dart...same quarter mile time as its cuda sister.
trying to remember what mopar was said to be able to do 200mph for 200 miles...i know it was a hemi car but can't remember the rest.
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ink, you forgot the 68 hemi dart...same quarter mile time as its cuda sister.
trying to remember what mopar was said to be able to do 200mph for 200 miles...i know it was a hemi car but can't remember the rest.
I believe it....The 340 in my Challenger was unbreakable...and I didn't even have the 4 bolt main version.
I went about 1400 miles in 17 hours.....I seriously put that Challenger to the test....I am not talking race it once in awhile....every day I drove that thing like I was at nascar, lost 3 "races" in the 6 and a half years I owned it.
biggest mistake in my life was selling that car.....
it had the High flow water pump that was put on Police cars(very rare)...the High flow exhaust manifolds (That flow like headers also very rare) plus my rear end was an 8 3/4 but it was the beefiest version, its internals I believe were nearly identical to the dana 60....
yup very dumb for selling it....ran perfect, only reason I sold it was..... I was addicted to it. :o
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I wish I still had my 69 Road Runner. Had it not been for losing an argument with a tree at 50MPH, I would still have that car.
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so true :rofl
i think i said it previously...those cobra jets i mentioned are not street cars. ford doesn't even deliver them with a vin.
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I had both Ford and Mopar running at one time. For me, nothing, and I mean NOTHING, sounded better than a Mopar engine on full boil. Small or big block.
as much as i like my fords....one of my favorite things to see, when i used to be down at the drag strip every weekend, was a mopar not doing quite so well off the line....but almost without fail, they'd pull right on by nearly anything midrange, and top end.
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Of the mopars, I feel the 340 was the big overachiever and had the best sound.....in stock form.
I had a 1968 SS396 chevelle with 1969 trim and the nader lights deleted and it was much faster with the W34 olds toronado engine in it (had to find different valve covers)....which makes sense since that engine made 400hp and 510 ft. pounds of torque with the super low riser toronado intake.
Someone had put a torker455 intake on it but had ground off lettering and painted it genuine olds blue.
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Of the mopars, I feel the 340 was the big overachiever and had the best sound.....in stock form.
I had a 1968 SS396 chevelle with 1969 trim and the nader lights deleted and it was much faster with the W34 olds toronado engine in it (had to find different valve covers)....which makes sense since that engine made 400hp and 510 ft. pounds of torque with the super low riser toronado intake.
Someone had put a torker455 intake on it but had ground off lettering and painted it genuine olds blue.
it was faster with the olds in it, probably due to the fact that chevy was never really all of what it's pumped up to be today. well....'cept the corvette.......
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I wish I still had my 69 Road Runner. Had it not been for losing an argument with a tree at 50MPH, I would still have that car.
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I got a friend that had a #'s matching 70 Superbird...he traded it for a non #'s matching 71 hemi cuda rag top 4 speed...just standing next to that car is a crazy experience.
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I got a friend that had a #'s matching 70 Superbird...he traded it for a non #'s matching 71 hemi cuda rag top 4 speed...just standing next to that car is a crazy experience.
i should also add that i had 2 74 road runners, 1 with a 4 speed, and a 74 plymouth......the one that looked like a dart..........with a 318. and an 85 5th ave. that 5th ave got me from orlando to nj in 14.5 hours. :devil
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i should also add that i had 2 74 road runners, 1 with a 4 speed, and a 74 plymouth......the one that looked like a dart..........with a 318. and an 85 5th ave. that 5th ave got me from orlando to nj in 14.5 hours. :devil
those are nice....out side the hay day...but they would be worth some good money.
318 tough little motor
my least favorite is the gas hog 360 still a strong motor though
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those are nice....out side the hay day...but they would be worth some good money.
318 tough little motor
my least favorite is the gas hog 360 still a strong motor though
the 5th ave had the lean burn 318. did really good mileage, but had trouble out accelerating a ford tempo. :rofl
a guy pulled up in front of my house one day, while i was putting the transmission back in the road runner, and offered me a number that made me happy, for both of them. i'm suspecint i should've at least kept the 4 speed car. same thing happened with the dart look alike......got offered a good number, and watched it drive away.
while they're not overly powerful, i personally think that the 318 is a solid engine, and if taken care of will never let one down. my 97 dakota's sittin at 126k miles, and still running strong. the only reason i'll not see it hit 150k+, is 'cause it's gettin sold to help pay for the new gt.
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I once witnessed a challenger T/A with a 340 6 pack throw number 3 rod! It made quite the impression on me and the hoodand drivers side fender! :devil
Then there was the pole vaulting maverick grabber that threw a driveshaft then atempted a half gainner!
But nothing sounds like a 426 with dual quads and dumpcaps!
:salute
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I once witnessed a challenger T/A with a 340 6 pack throw number 3 rod! It made quite the impression on me and the hoodand drivers side fender! :devil
Then there was the pole vaulting maverick grabber that threw a driveshaft then atempted a half gainner!
But nothing sounds like a 426 with dual quads and dumpcaps!
:salute
if it was a real TA it wouldn't have been a real 340.(cant remember the actual displacement,I think they were actually a smaller displacement but I could be wrong).
It would have been a 4 bolt main...he must have been revving that thing to high heaven.
I know a 340 in a 68 barracuda that can take 8000 all day long.....(major work into though, guy probably has as many thousands as it can take in RPM :rofl)
oh man I just love the Mopars
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I once witnessed a challenger T/A with a 340 6 pack throw number 3 rod! It made quite the impression on me and the hoodand drivers side fender! :devil
Then there was the pole vaulting maverick grabber that threw a driveshaft then atempted a half gainner!
But nothing sounds like a 426 with dual quads and dumpcaps!
:salute
one night, i had a chevy malibu wagon that i had to give a head start to on gamblers night. he was running high 10's, i was dialed near 10.2 or so. anyway, i'm running him down, and suddenly, his nose drops....then i see his driveshaft come out from underneath his car....it didn't flip him. it just came out, and hit twice before it went over top of me. scared the watermelon outta me, as there was really nothing i could do, 'cept hope for the best.
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Cap, the shaft let go up front and folded in half,that lifted the rear wheels and it slid on it's front bumper for quite a ways then caught the ditch and rolled on it's side......nasty!
Ink, IIRC it was a challenger with the T/A striping and whatnot,it was a 340 6pack for sure,it had a wicked rapping noise when it pulled in and he shut it down.Then he started it up blipped the gas a couple times and she let go,I had to spray it with the extingisure because the oil was about tostart the car on fire. Made 1 huge mess of our lot!! :devil
:salute
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Racing in NHRA Super Stock class on 7-inch (180 mm)-wide tires, the Thunderbolt was based on the mid-level Fairlane 500 two-door pillared sedan, and in 1964 set elapsed time and top speed records at 11.6 seconds and 124 mph (200 km/h), .[4] took the Super Stock title, and won the Manufacturer's Cup; it is probably the quickest and fastest production drag racer ever produced.
from here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Fairlane_%28Americas%29
this was something i hadn't known......lightweight galaxies(2) were built with 289's? and ran 12's?
The first two lightweight Galaxies, using 289 cu in (5 l) bodies, were assembled at Fort Wayne, Michigan, late in January 1963, to be tested at the 1963 Winternats.[8] They were delivered to Tasca Ford (East Providence, R.I.) and Bob Ford (Dearborn, MI).[8] Bill Lawton's Tasca Galaxie turned the best performance, with a 12.50 pass at 116.60 mph
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Cap, the shaft let go up front and folded in half,that lifted the rear wheels and it slid on it's front bumper for quite a ways then caught the ditch and rolled on it's side......nasty!
Ink, IIRC it was a challenger with the T/A striping and whatnot,it was a 340 6pack for sure,it had a wicked rapping noise when it pulled in and he shut it down.Then he started it up blipped the gas a couple times and she let go,I had to spray it with the extingisure because the oil was about tostart the car on fire. Made 1 huge mess of our lot!! :devil
:salute
ya the street version had the 340...race was 303 :old:
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hey no ones perfect....but they over looked the fastest by far of them all
mid 10's 68 barracuda
fastest quarter mile American muscle car ever made
and incidentally another little factoid for you "ford" and "chevy" guys the first car to ever hit 200 mph in the quarter mile was a Challenger :neener:
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/MOPAR/44top.jpg)
Also in 1968, Chrysler made approximately 50 fastback Barracudas equipped with the 426 cu in (7.0 L) Hemi for Super Stock drag racing.[2] These cars were assembled by Hurst Performance and featured lightweight items such as lightweight Chemcor side glass, fiberglass front fenders, and hood with scoop, lightweight seats, and sound deadener and other street equipment such as rear seats omitted. An included sticker indicated that the car was not for use on public roads; it could run the quarter-mile in the mid-10s in 1968.[2]
you sure it wasn't something with pontiac power/?
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Also in 1968, Chrysler made approximately 50 fastback Barracudas equipped with the 426 cu in (7.0 L) Hemi for Super Stock drag racing.[2] These cars were assembled by Hurst Performance and featured lightweight items such as lightweight Chemcor side glass, fiberglass front fenders, and hood with scoop, lightweight seats, and sound deadener and other street equipment such as rear seats omitted. An included sticker indicated that the car was not for use on public roads; it could run the quarter-mile in the mid-10s in 1968.[2]
you sure it wasn't something with pontiac power/?
right over my head :headscratch:
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right over my head :headscratch:
was simply pointing out that while they were nearly a second faster than the thunderbolts, they weren't street cars, whereas the thunderbolts were. :devil
i'm just being a $%^ really. :noid
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"super stock" is a pretty highly modified class.