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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dichotomy on October 06, 2011, 03:58:52 PM
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Meat is good
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:rofl
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whenever a vegitarian says "eating meat isnt healthy" i say "well at least my food s^@# on your food" if you catch my drift...
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Meat is good
(http://axisvsallies.com/albums/userpics/10001/meat.jpg)
YES YES YES!
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Plants aren't food. Plants feed food.
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Meat is good
(http://axisvsallies.com/albums/userpics/10001/meat.jpg)
BUT I STILL LIKE BROKCERAGE
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Cow eat green.... taste good...... people who eat green... hmmmm
Say that while eyeing your vege adversary.
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Actually we evolved *by* eating meat... proteins and all that...
Grazers are just that...
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(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/3642661392_5801c3b218.jpg)
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If it were up to me all I would eat is meat, mainly steak, oh god how I love me a thick juicy steak!
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MMMMMMMMMMM this filet tastes as good as i thought it would.. Best part is 2 weeks ago I gave it it last meal before being shipped off to the slaughter house.
YUMMMMMMMY!!!!
LawnDart
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Hmm, according to http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/species/sahelanthropus-tchadensis our earliest known ancestors ate mostly plants. Meat consumption was also positively correlated with time. If that is the case, then vegetarians are 'savages' in that they are unevolved. The more modern the man, the more meat he eats.
However, plants have their own allure. They are cheap to grow, easy to care for, and don't cry and scream while you rip them into bite-sized pieces. If we could get a plant to grow fruit that is as protein-rich and delicious as meat, we would be able to feed our population much better. That is one of the current goals of artificial or "cruelty-free" meat.
Think about it, all the taste of steak without any guilt (come on, we've all felt it once) or vegetarian complaining about you eating it. That is not to say that all vegetarians are whiny or aggressive, one of my best friends did it for three years and never begrudged me a single piece of meat.
To conclude, meat is murder, and I'd rather not see animals suffer in slaughterhouses. New research concerning the idea that sentience is not a binary property, but rather a gradient on which all life lies makes me feel even worse. Though there will always be problems, the closer we can get to cruelty-free, the better.
-Penguin
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Meat is good
(http://axisvsallies.com/albums/userpics/10001/meat.jpg)
:rofl :lol :rofl :lol so true
but i have to ask...when was the last time you were out run by a green bean?
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/3642661392_5801c3b218.jpg)
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl "keep being AWESOME" lmao!!!!
Actually we evolved *by* eating meat... proteins and all that...
sometimes i wonder about you... :lol ...question for ya, are we omnivores because we started eating meat or because we started eating vegetation?
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Hmm, according to http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/species/sahelanthropus-tchadensis our earliest known ancestors ate mostly plants. Meat consumption was also positively correlated with time. If that is the case, then vegetarians are 'savages' in that they are unevolved. The more modern the man, the more meat he eats.
However, plants have their own allure. They are cheap to grow, easy to care for, and don't cry and scream while you rip them into bite-sized pieces. If we could get a plant to grow fruit that is as protein-rich and delicious as meat, we would be able to feed our population much better. That is one of the current goals of artificial or "cruelty-free" meat.
Think about it, all the taste of steak without any guilt (come on, we've all felt it once) or vegetarian complaining about you eating it. That is not to say that all vegetarians are whiny or aggressive, one of my best friends did it for three years and never begrudged me a single piece of meat.
To conclude, meat is murder, and I'd rather not see animals suffer in slaughterhouses. New research concerning the idea that sentience is not a binary property, but rather a gradient on which all life lies makes me feel even worse. Though there will always be problems, the closer we can get to cruelty-free, the better.
-Penguin
I never have a guilty meat filled face. I have a happy meat face. Although, the system should have a complete overhaul in my opinion. Not a fan of basically the concentration camp approach to mass produced livestock. Thank god for family in NE that raise their own stock and send us steaks.
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Hmm, according to http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/species/sahelanthropus-tchadensis our earliest known ancestors ate mostly plants. Meat consumption was also positively correlated with time. If that is the case, then vegetarians are 'savages' in that they are unevolved. The more modern the man, the more meat he eats.
However, plants have their own allure. They are cheap to grow, easy to care for, and don't cry and scream while you rip them into bite-sized pieces. If we could get a plant to grow fruit that is as protein-rich and delicious as meat, we would be able to feed our population much better. That is one of the current goals of artificial or "cruelty-free" meat.
Think about it, all the taste of steak without any guilt (come on, we've all felt it once) or vegetarian complaining about you eating it. That is not to say that all vegetarians are whiny or aggressive, one of my best friends did it for three years and never begrudged me a single piece of meat.
To conclude, meat is murder, and I'd rather not see animals suffer in slaughterhouses. New research concerning the idea that sentience is not a binary property, but rather a gradient on which all life lies makes me feel even worse. Though there will always be problems, the closer we can get to cruelty-free, the better.
-Penguin
God put animals on the planet to be eaten by us, thats why I feel no guilt :D
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If we weren't meant to eat other animals they wouldn't be made out of meat.
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Hmm, according to http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/species/sahelanthropus-tchadensis our earliest known ancestors ate mostly plants. Meat consumption was also positively correlated with time. If that is the case, then vegetarians are 'savages' in that they are unevolved. The more modern the man, the more meat he eats.
However, plants have their own allure. They are cheap to grow, easy to care for, and don't cry and scream while you rip them into bite-sized pieces. If we could get a plant to grow fruit that is as protein-rich and delicious as meat, we would be able to feed our population much better. That is one of the current goals of artificial or "cruelty-free" meat.
Think about it, all the taste of steak without any guilt (come on, we've all felt it once) or vegetarian complaining about you eating it. That is not to say that all vegetarians are whiny or aggressive, one of my best friends did it for three years and never begrudged me a single piece of meat.
To conclude, meat is murder, and I'd rather not see animals suffer in slaughterhouses. New research concerning the idea that sentience is not a binary property, but rather a gradient on which all life lies makes me feel even worse. Though there will always be problems, the closer we can get to cruelty-free, the better.
-Penguin
oh joy!!! here's penguin...turning a fun post into a cerebral debate...batter up!!! :D
look up the protein comparisons between red meat, poultry, fish and soy beans...i believe you will find a surprise regarding your desire for a "plant that is as protein rich as meat".
i have to get up at 0300 for work so i won't prod you again this evening...good luck with everyone else though. :D
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oh joy!!! here's penguin...turning a fun post into a cerebral debate...batter up!!! :D
look up the protein comparisons between red meat, poultry, fish and soy beans...i believe you will find a surprise regarding your desire for a "plant that is as protein rich as meat".
i have to get up at 0300 for work so i won't prod you again this evening...good luck with everyone else though. :D
Ok I will, there are PLENTY of alternatives to protein, some even have more protein than red meat. Part one is false. Part two IS TOTALLY subjective and saying something is delicious is all a personal preference..
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and don't cry and scream while you rip them into bite-sized pieces "cruelty-free" meat.
Think about it, all the taste of steak without any guilt (come on, we've all felt it once) or vegetarian complaining about you eating it.meat is murder, and I'd rather not see animals suffer in slaughterhouses. the closer we can get to cruelty-free, the better.
-Penguin
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Have you been in a slaughter house before? It's not a SAW movie. Its a slaughterhouse they don't torture animals in there they slaughter them(quickly and humanly). If you cant stand the heat get outta the kitchen......and no I ve never in my life felt guilt for eating/killing an animal. less the poor rascal was hurt then I put it down as quickly as possible, generally with a small caliber round between the ears.
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However, plants have their own allure. They are cheap to grow, easy to care for, and don't cry and scream while you rip them into bite-sized pieces.
That reminds me of something.
"If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason."
-Jack Handey
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Meat its whats for Dinner, white meat, red meat, chicken, Fish all good stuff, nom nom nom, ive heard eskimos say that even Penguins taste like Chicken. :neener:
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:rofl :lol :rofl :lol so true
but i have to ask...when was the last time you were out run by a green bean?
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl "keep being AWESOME" lmao!!!!
sometimes i wonder about you... :lol ...question for ya, are we omnivores because we started eating meat or because we started eating vegetation?
We are omnivores because we started eating meat.
-Penguin
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I have these for one reason, to tear apart that porterhouse thats broiling right now!
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Vegetarian - that's an old Indian word meaning 'lousy hunter'...
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:lol actually eating steak tonight
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I thought this thread was about me, I feel so dejected now :cry
And about animals suffering.......I work for a communications company. All the time I see squirrels that are so hungry that they gnaw and try to eat the aerial cabling. Being the caring person I am, I help them find food. If I am up on the hardline and see one coming, i'll gently shake it off about 25 feet up in the air so it can find food on the ground below. If one decides to come up to me for a visit, I will politely tell it to move along using a hammer so it can go on its merry way. I dont want these little critters to go hungry, you know?
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I thought this thread was about me, I feel so dejected now :cry
And about animals suffering.......I work for a communications company. All the time I see squirrels that are so hungry that they gnaw and try to eat the aerial cabling. Being the caring person I am, I help them find food. If I am up on the hardline and see one coming, i'll gently shake it off about 25 feet up in the air so it can find food on the ground below. If one decides to come up to me for a visit, I will politely tell it to move along using a hammer so it can go on its merry way. I dont want these little critters to go hungry, you know?
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Yall don't be so serious.. I had to remake that so it wouldn't get rule#'d again today (Sorry Skuzzy.. brain wasn't completely engaged at the time). I need laughs today.
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We are omnivores because we started eating meat.
-Penguin
Wouldn't we be omnivores because we started eating anything/both? My question is where do you place chimps,vegetarian,omnivore or carnivorous?
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Omni of course
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Any one eat platypus before?
(http://ferrebeekeeper.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/platypus-003.jpg)
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Wouldn't we be omnivores because we started eating anything/both? My question is where do you place chimps,vegetarian,omnivore or carnivorous?
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Our ancestors ate mainly plants, and their ancestors ate all plants. We've been eating plants longer than we have been eating meat. Meat and processed sugar are novelties, (on an evolutionary timescale) it's part of the reason that we have such an obesity epidemic. Our bodies still think that a famine could happen at any time, and order us to consume as much as we can now in case the food runs out.
-Penguin
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I need laughs today.
Peng... did you miss this?
Make me laugh dang it.
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Peng... did you miss this?
Make me laugh dang it.
hrmm... :headscratch: what will make dicho laugh?
*5 hours later*
hmm....aha! i got it! waaaait...hes seen that...darn. :bhead
yeah i got nothin. sorry dicho.
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Im a proud member of PETA since 1959. "PETA" People Eating Tasty Animals :x
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Our ancestors ate mainly plants, and their ancestors ate all plants. We've been eating plants longer than we have been eating meat.
-Penguin
ergo, we got smart real fast. :noid
I agree on processed foods... but that's neither here nor now. :noid
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I love meat, so do my bots:
(http://www.cqrt.co.nz/ms/boys.jpg)
:D
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hrmm... :headscratch: what will make dicho laugh?
*5 hours later*
hmm....aha! i got it! waaaait...hes seen that...darn. :bhead
yeah i got nothin. sorry dicho.
At least you tried bro.. at least you tried :D
well THIS made me laugh..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S75Rfva9O8&feature=player_embedded
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Come on guys yall gonna keep feeding that troll? Ignore him and he'll go away.
I cook at a place called golden chick. We sell fried chicken. I've probably cooked more chicken than most people will in their lifetime. Probably ate more to. It's pretty rare that I go a day without chicken and if I don't have chicken I usually have at least 1 corn dog every day. I personally couldn't go on through life without meat. Whether it be wild deer, hogs, dove or store bought beef, pork, and poultry I love it all.
Another thing.. my boss had some frog legs cooked up when I got to work a couple days ago. I've had them before but I had forgot just how good they were! I'll eat basically any kind of seafood as long as its not raw. Really I'll eat any kind of aquatic animal as I can't remember ever eating one I didn't like.
Something else.. I have allot of Italian heritage on my dads side of the family. Some of my best memories growing up was getting the family together to kill hogs and make Italian sausage. We did everything from cutting them up, grinding the meat, and making the little sausage snakes (idk what their actually called). Everything was homemade, the spices and everything.
Anyways I'll stop rambling now :bolt:
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I love meat, so do my bots:
(http://www.cqrt.co.nz/ms/boys.jpg)
:D
The little one's face is AWESOME :D
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Our ancestors ate mainly plants, and their ancestors ate all plants. We've been eating plants longer than we have been eating meat. Meat and processed sugar are novelties, (on an evolutionary timescale) it's part of the reason that we have such an obesity epidemic. Our bodies still think that a famine could happen at any time, and order us to consume as much as we can now in case the food runs out.
-Penguin
really? are you sure about that? lemme guess, you did your research...like the last subject you blew chunks on. don't be a spongebob victim, get more accurate information. i can always tell when you're just spouting poop, ever ask yourself are insects vegetable or meat?
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/405468/AH%20Stuff/facepalm_monkey.jpg)
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Meat is good
(http://axisvsallies.com/albums/userpics/10001/meat.jpg)
Yes, Meat is GOOD!
http://exoticmeatmarket.com/ (http://exoticmeatmarket.com/)
T
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mmmmmmmmm frog legs......................... ...... :devil
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really? are you sure about that? lemme guess, you did your research...like the last subject you blew chunks on. don't be a spongebob victim, get more accurate information. i can always tell when you're just spouting poop, ever ask yourself are insects vegetable or meat?
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/405468/AH%20Stuff/facepalm_monkey.jpg)
my thoughts also gyrene,I was going to ask where he got the inside imformation on our ancestors,seems there's some missing imformation I cant access but then I'm not nearly as inteligent as our resident scholar.
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To be honest, I thought this thread was related to the 'dining at the Y' thread before clicking :D
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To be honest, I thought this thread was related to the 'dining at the Y' thread before clicking :D
:rofl :bolt:
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To be honest, I thought this thread was related to the 'dining at the Y' thread before clicking :D
Geez Eskimo... have a little faith man. I'm not ALWAYS in the gutter.
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really? are you sure about that? lemme guess, you did your research...like the last subject you blew chunks on. don't be a spongebob victim, get more accurate information. i can always tell when you're just spouting poop, ever ask yourself are insects vegetable or meat?
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/405468/AH%20Stuff/facepalm_monkey.jpg)
I said mainly vegetables. According to the Smithsonian website, the earliest hominid Sahelanthropus tchadensis, ate "a mainly plant-based diet. This probably included leaves, fruit, seeds, roots, nuts, and insects."*. The ancestors of primates were small ground mammals, who ate plants exclusively.
-Penguin
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*http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/species/sahelanthropus-tchadensis (http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/species/sahelanthropus-tchadensis)
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Ill stick with eating meat.
Worked with a guy that BBQ'd some coon meat. Never got to try it, sounded pretty good though
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I said mainly vegetables. According to the Smithsonian website, the earliest hominid Sahelanthropus tchadensis, ate "a mainly plant-based diet. This probably included leaves, fruit, seeds, roots, nuts, and insects."*. The ancestors of primates were small ground mammals, who ate plants exclusively.
-Penguin
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*http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/species/sahelanthropus-tchadensis (http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/species/sahelanthropus-tchadensis)
ya know penguin, you make it too easy. are you sure you want to use that evidence to back your theory up?
from your reference about that species of primate, and i quote:
How They Survived:
Unfortunately, most of Sahelanthropus’ teeth are heavily worn, and there have not yet been studies of its tooth wear or tooth isotopes to indicate diet. However, we can infer based on its environment and other early human species that it ate a mainly plant-based diet. This probably included leaves, fruit, seeds, roots, nuts, and insects.
so, based on nothing more than a total of 9 cranial specimens, with no proper studies to even begin to make a sound theory, the guess is that they were primarily vegetarians. maybe their canines and incisors were just meant for defense.
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Not eating meat because you dont like the taste....improbable.....meat tastes awesome...but justified.
Not eating meat because you don't want to hurt animal.....foolish....the animals are going to be slaughtered anyhow. You are just contributing to the number per month that go to waste and are thrown out by sell by date.
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:aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFB_vHVFM_8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFB_vHVFM_8)
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I'm guessing now's not the best time to tell penguin about the contents of my food pentagon I made up, when I decided that the USDA's food pyramid was BS. :bolt:
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I'm guessing now's not the best time to tell penguin about the contents of my food pentagon I made up, when I decided that the USDA's food pyramid was BS. :bolt:
you should aspire to a food tetrahedron someday
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I was setting at a lunch with an associate, little did I know that he was, " one of those people", I ordered a nice juicy steak, he ordered a Nice juicy,,,salad. I did not even get thru the first bite if my steak when he started in. You will feel better, have more energy, all their usual rants about how much better veggies are for you. When he took a breath, I waved my big ole Black Angus ribeye in front of him and said, "you eat the same thing my steak did, my steak tastes good, one day we may run out of steaks, you're next". Needles to say I did not get the contract.
God did not give us bifocal vision, intelligence to create items to hunt with, and a trigger finger so that we could be the bottom of the food chart.
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I waved my big ole Black Angus ribeye in front of him and said, "you eat the same thing my steak did, my steak tastes good, one day we may run out of steaks, you're next". Needles to say I did not get the contract.
Soylent green is people!!
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ya know penguin, you make it too easy. are you sure you want to use that evidence to back your theory up?
from your reference about that species of primate, and i quote:so, based on nothing more than a total of 9 cranial specimens, with no proper studies to even begin to make a sound theory, the guess is that they were primarily vegetarians. maybe their canines and incisors were just meant for defense.
Perhaps my evidence was weak, but look at the rest of the tree. Meat eating is positively correlated to time. Don't get me wrong, though, meat is tasty. I just wish we didn't have to kill anything for its delicious goodness.
-Penguin
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I just wish we didn't have to kill anything for its delicious goodness.
-Penguin
tell me, how many times have you had your man card suspended? death = life cycle. get over it. im not a sadistic animal hater that wants to rampage and kill every cow in sight for my meat, but it has to happen just for life to even exist...
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Now you're making it too easy. These animals are slaughterd and butchered in the prime of life, in addition, we're able to synthesize everything that meat provides us with and put it into pills, syrups, or other dietary supplements. It's not necessary, but it sure is tasty.
-Penguin
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Now you're making it too easy. These animals are slaughterd and butchered in the prime of life, in addition, we're able to synthesize everything that meat provides us with and put it into pills, syrups, or other dietary supplements. It's not necessary, but it sure is tasty.
-Penguin
you a girl or something? the animals need to be killed so we can live. in the end we die and feed maggots/worms/flies and any other thing that eats dead flesh. get over the fact that animals die, it happens. not like were slaughtering cows and using only their eyes for some odd reason and leaving everything else behind.
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Women have characters that are just as strong as men's. It's the twenty-first century, and I'm surprised that you haven't realized that. Wrong. If their deaths were necessary for any human being to survive vegetarianism and its associated eating habits would be death sentences.
On the point of death being a part of life, I agree. Human beings usually die at the end of a long and fulfilling life- livestock die at an arbitrary point without any opportunity to enjoy themselves beforehand. The fact that we feed decomposers is fine, and if those animals got to live out their lives, I'd be fine with maggots eating them, too.
-Penguin
Edited for heartless flaming.
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chill gents
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Women have characters that are just as strong as men's. It's the twenty-first century, and I'm surprised that you haven't realized that. Wrong. If their deaths were necessary for any human being to survive vegetarianism and its associated eating habits would be death sentences.
On the point of death being a part of life, I agree. Human beings usually die at the end of a long and fulfilling life- livestock die at an arbitrary point without any opportunity to enjoy themselves beforehand. The fact that we feed decomposers is fine, and if those animals got to live out their lives, I'd be fine with maggots eating them, too.
-Penguin
Edited for heartless flaming.
what your trying to say is that animals that do nothing but eat, sleep and poop all day have not lived life to the fullest because there supposed to have fun? tell me, how do you have fun being an animal?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRSLQu-d6ZQ
If people are 'naturally' vegetarian, why do we never hear of lost children surviving by being taken in by a herd of cattle?
And if vegetarians love animals so much, why are they trying to eat all their food?
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Now you're making it too easy. These animals are slaughterd and butchered in the prime of life, in addition, we're able to synthesize everything that meat provides us with and put it into pills, syrups, or other dietary supplements. It's not necessary, but it sure is tasty.
-Penguin
prime of life? what life they just stand around destroying the ozone layer with thier methane emissions. We are saving the PLANET by thining thier numbers.
i LOVE ANIMALS ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE BBQ
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRSLQu-d6ZQ
If people are 'naturally' vegetarian, why do we never hear of lost children surviving by being taken in by a herd of cattle?
And if vegetarians love animals so much, why are they trying to eat all their food?
I never said that we were naturally vegetarian. Quite the opposite- I stated that meat consumption was positively correlated with time. Since we are the latest versions of homo sapiens, it makes sense that we would naturally eat the most meat. I'm not a vegetarian, so I don't really know the answer to that question.
prime of life? what life they just stand around destroying the ozone layer with thier methane emissions. We are saving the PLANET by thining thier numbers.
i LOVE ANIMALS ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE BBQ
Good one! :lol However, the livestock we raise are social, not solitary animals.
-Penguin
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(http://images.wikia.com/mylittleponybrony/images/f/f1/Don%27t_feed_the_parasprites-(n1294124668501).png)
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A question for the InternetZ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfGJ8bVKFPc
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Only Penguin could take a Post meant to be funny for Chuckles and Hijack it into one of his Crusades even after all the vacations you've had and rule# this and that you still Hijack threads, so typical of you.
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Perhaps my evidence was weak, but look at the rest of the tree.
You're a vegetarian. There is no 'rest of the tree' to look at.
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I used to have a friend that was a vegetarian, haha used to ;)
To add to this I went to Longhorn for lunch and had a16 oz steak that was freakin amazing, it was a happy cow :rofl
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Had an ex-gf who was a vegetarian.
Cooked her up some Pork chops, she's been straight carnivore ever sense.
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Had an ex-gf who was a vegetarian.
Cooked her up some Pork chops, she's been straight carnivore ever sense.
So, when she left you for another girl, did you hold the door for both of them? ;)
Peng... chill bro... trust me I need laughs not pointless debates
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So, when she left you for another girl, did you hold the door for both of them? ;)
:rofl :lol :rofl :lol good one
come on dicho, penguin does make it too easy sometimes, it's difficult to walk away...
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You're a vegetarian. There is no 'rest of the tree' to look at.
Nope. I have a pizza with pork pepperoni, mozzerella cheese, and tomato slices in the oven right now. D'oh! I hijacked the thread! Sorry about that...
-Penguin
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Good one! :lol However, the livestock we raise are social, not solitary animals.
-Penguin
thats why we kill em a herd at a time
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I always thought it was "Fun with Food" not "Fun for Food" :noid
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Anyone else getting the urge to hunt penguins? :devil
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Now you're making it too easy. These animals are slaughterd and butchered in the prime of life, in addition, we're able to synthesize everything that meat provides us with and put it into pills, syrups, or other dietary supplements. It's not necessary, but it sure is tasty.
-Penguin
MMMM, natural flavorings
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Give em a break guys come on
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Break? No need to, he knows what he's doing.
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Break? No need to, he knows what he's doing.
Be that as it may, isn't it just easier to ignore em?
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Give em a break guys come on
he brought it onto himself, for some reason he feels the need to turn everything into a debate, like hes a bad lawyer or something.
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Skorpion, congratulations, you are now the fiftyth person in my life who said that I'm like a lawyer. This select group includes every single one of my previous teachers, my parents, and all my relatives. However, you're right about me turning a bit of tongue in cheek humor into something serious. It must be all the meat I ate.
-Penguin
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Any of you ever get a hankering for some Grass fed Kobe Angus Steaks or burger, or whatever, just PM me, I ship, and probably for les then you can get at your local Walmart.
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Skorpion, congratulations, you are now the fiftyth person in my life who said that I'm like a lawyer. This select group includes every single one of my previous teachers, my parents, and all my relatives. However, you're right about me turning a bit of tongue in cheek humor into something serious. It must be all the meat I ate.
-Penguin
well you are a lawyer, bad, but still a lawyer. you need to back up everything with full detail and honestly, you need to calm down a bit. although your not all bad, you do need to walk off of the stand and laugh at the joke because its not a matter of life or death here
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Has a big juicy steak today at longhorn, than some awesome burgers for a cook out at my aunts, add the bacon from this morning and this kid right here is a happy camper :aok
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I got a wife out of my ability to grill steak.
I also was given a badge that says 'Grand Master of the Grilling Arts'.
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I got a wife out of my ability to grill steak.
I also was given a badge that says 'Grand Master of the Grilling Arts'.
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I just enjoyed some juicy, delicious, home-made pepperoni margarita pizza. I made it myself, and I can taste that little piggy that went to market.
-Penguin
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Nothing more to be said. (http://www.food-fire.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/steak_020910P1010483.JPG)
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I just wish we didn't have to kill anything for its delicious goodness.
-Penguin
If we didnt kill them they would not be alive to start with
give them a good life, fast clean death and eat em....
rather than no life at all
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If we didnt kill them they would not be alive to start with
give them a good life, fast clean death and eat em....
rather than no life at all
That sounds good, it's just that as it stands, most live in absolute squalor. In addition, with lab-grown meat coming into the picture, I think we'll have an even better solution.
-Penguin
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:rofl
-Penguin
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That sounds good, it's just that as it stands, most live in absolute squalor. In addition, with lab-grown meat coming into the picture, I think we'll have an even better solution.
-Penguin
vote with your $ and get the good stuff only
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Any of you ever get a hankering for some Grass fed Kobe Angus Steaks or burger, or whatever, just PM me, I ship, and probably for les then you can get at your local Walmart.
Here you go... get some of this...I would if I was in the USA
this is what I`m talking about..
support those that should be supported !
eat more good meat, 3 weeks hung !
Kobe , beer and massages for them too? sweet sweet meat..
drooooool
Jimmy
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Now you're making it too easy. These animals are slaughterd and butchered in the prime of life
Aren't you forgetting in their natural environment they're often hunted down and ripped apart by predators, often feasting on the inards why they are still breathing.
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I didn't say that they were better off out in the woods. I just said that factory farms suck.
-Penguin
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I didn't say that they were better off out in the woods. I just said that factory farms suck.
I don't know, Penguin. They are very productive, and have made their products very affordable because of their innovations.
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That sounds good, it's just that as it stands, most live in absolute squalor. In addition, with lab-grown meat coming into the picture, I think we'll have an even better solution.
-Penguin
Many humans on earth live in squalor far worse.
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Many humans on earth live in squalor far worse.
Ummm, ok, lets eat THEM.. :D
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I don't know, Penguin. They are very productive, and have made their products very affordable because of their innovations.
By suck, I meant suck for the animals that live and die there.
-Penguin
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By suck, I meant suck for the animals that live and die there.
Well, we're more important than animals.
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Well, we're more important than animals.
how is this? We're animals ourselves.
Im not siding with Penguins discussions, But lets face it, if Human Beings weren't smart enough to create weapons, We'd be at the bottom of the food chain.
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how is this? We're animals ourselves.
Im not siding with Penguins discussions, But lets face it, if Human Beings weren't smart enough to create weapons, We'd be at the bottom of the food chain.
How is it not? How could any species survive if it didn't place its own needs before that of other species?
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How is it not? How could any species survive if it didn't place its own needs before that of other species?
just the way you said that, it sounded like you were categorizing humans apart from what would be considered "animals" .
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how is this? We're animals ourselves.
Im not siding with Penguins discussions, But lets face it, if Human Beings weren't smart enough to create weapons, We'd be at the bottom of the food chain.
but we are smart enough, thus we are at the top so what is your point? BTW, I prefer my meat beaten
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Ummm, ok, lets eat THEM.. :D
:rofl
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:rofl
http://comedians.jokes.com/ron-white/videos/ron-white---vegetarians
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but we are smart enough, thus we are at the top so what is your point? BTW, I prefer my meat beaten
In some cases we are not on the top of the food chain.
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Ah yes, living in the sticks, so calm, so peaceful, so filled with animals that would like to eviserate you.
-Penguin
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Im not siding with Penguins discussions, But lets face it, if Human Beings weren't smart enough to create weapons, We'd be at the bottom of the food chain.
and if sharks didn't have big sharp teeth so'd they. What's your point?
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I believe his point is that no one animal is intrinsically superior to any other. I second that notion.
-Penguin
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As a human being, I would like to tell the rest of the animal kingdom to suck it. I consider myself more important than you because dammit I'm hungry and you look tasty.
I know I've got some fellow humans out there that say silly things like you're our equals (or maybe even superiors) but they're all lying. If they really felt that way they lie down in front of you and say, "You look hungry, little guy. Have some of my arm." You met any that've done something like that? That's right: Hell no. We all about survival up in this b*tch, and at the expense of yours if need be.
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That sounds good, it's just that as it stands, most live in absolute squalor. In addition, with lab-grown meat coming into the picture, I think we'll have an even better solution.
-Penguin
:rofl dude! You have to be from the city.
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I believe his point is that no one animal is intrinsically superior to any other. I second that notion.
-Penguin
speak for yourselves.
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As a human being, I would like to tell the rest of the animal kingdom to suck it. I consider myself more important than you because dammit I'm hungry and you look tasty.
I know I've got some fellow humans out there that say silly things like you're our equals (or maybe even superiors) but they're all lying. If they really felt that way they lie down in front of you and say, "You look hungry, little guy. Have some of my arm." You met any that've done something like that? That's right: Hell no. We all about survival up in this b*tch, and at the expense of yours if need be.
I said intrinsically superior. My point is that just because you're a human doesn't make you better than a cow. The reasoning behind this is that there is no such thing as absolute morality, it's all subjective. That being said, I would never let an animal eat me because I want to live! If that means cracking a few less sentient skulls, so be it.
-Penguin
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I believe his point is that no one animal is intrinsically superior to any other. I second that notion.
-Penguin
I said intrinsically superior. My point is that just because you're a human doesn't make you better than a cow. The reasoning behind this is that there is no such thing as absolute morality, it's all subjective. That being said, I would never let an animal eat me because I want to live! If that means cracking a few less sentient skulls, so be it.
-Penguin
:headscratch: sometimes i wonder about you...where you come up with this stuff is a real mystery. and here i thought the concept of the food chain was simple enough for even 1st graders...
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Sun>Grass/Grains>Pig>Me I understand it, I just feel bad for the pig.
-Penguin
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Sun>Grass/Grains>Pig>Me I understand it, I just feel bad for the pig.
-Penguin
inhumane commercial farming practices aside, the pig is very happy lying in the mud, especially when it's hot. it may not be your standards for living but it is the pig's.
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inhumane commercial farming practices aside, the pig is very happy lying in the mud, especially when it's hot. it may not be your standards for living but it is the pig's.
This is what I'm against. If the pig is enjoying himself, then I see no problem.
-Penguin
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so vote with your $ and use the true democratic right to put coin where you want it to be...and you too can be happy as a pig in sh...
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I can't at the moment, but I'll buy free-range when I grow up.
-Penguin
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This is what I'm against. If the pig is enjoying himself, then I see no problem.
-Penguin
i'm pretty sure most people don't like the practices of commercial farming but, who wants to pay $10/lb for hamburger. the problem is monetary, look it up. there is no money to be made in livestock with the increasing costs of owning land and getting the livestock to market.
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Ah the sad facts of life. This is why lab-grown meat is perfect. The trouble is keeping the bioreactors clean and preventing anti-biotic resistant bacteria from forming from doing the former.
-Penguin
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Veal the other other white meat.
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Ah the sad facts of life. This is why lab-grown meat is perfect. The trouble is keeping the bioreactors clean and preventing anti-biotic resistant bacteria from forming from doing the former.
The only real problem is population. Our population is too high for a natural cycle of life anymore. And while we are on the subject of slaughter, why don't you feel bad that anti-biotics kill off millions of life forms for the sake of your 'life-friendly' meat? The further we get from the hunter gatherer lifestyle the worse things get for all life in general. We think we are making our lives better, more convinient, but infact we are simply moving our spieces closer to our very own mass extinction event, or, we may infact just be moving ourselves towards the next leap in evolution, leaving homosapiens behind, which in essance is still a mass extinction event for homosapiens.
Whatever the case, existence is a cyclic construction and deconstruction of matter for the purpose of transfering energy from one place to another. Eating each other is a pretty good way to accomplish that on a day to day basis.
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Huh, I never thought about it that way. I don't think we're heading toward mass-extinction, though, and it'll take millions of years before a new hominid could emerge. Don't be so negative- Oog and Boog didn't invent fire by giving up!
-Penguin
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Ah the sad facts of life. This is why lab-grown meat is perfect. The trouble is keeping the bioreactors clean and preventing anti-biotic resistant bacteria from forming from doing the former.
-Penguin
:headscratch: you been watching too many sci fi movies. do more research, not on wikipedia either. the more humans tamper with food the less actual nutrition that food delivers. unless you really think you would be happy with 3 servings of some cream of wheat looking stuff that has the nutritional value of ensure, get that artifical lab grown mess out of your head.
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Huh, I never thought about it that way. I don't think we're heading toward mass-extinction, though, and it'll take millions of years before a new hominid could emerge. Don't be so negative- Oog and Boog didn't invent fire by giving up!
-Penguin
I said moving towads it, not expecting it tomorrow all due to synthetic meats. Negative? So one minute you are a logical debater then the next you're a hippy? Oog and Boog didn't invent fire. Fire existed long before humans. They discovered it and learnt to harness it. Just like they learnt to kill something tasty for dinner. That would be making you the quiter, not Oog and Boog. I'm sure they would be very displeased to see you disregarding one of the things they worked hard at working out.
We might just as well give up harnessing fire as give up killing tasty animals for food.
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Penguin you seriously need to get laid and it will put an end to these threads.
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Penguin don't ever feel bad for the pig, they are a nuisance animal in Texas. They do 17,000,000 in damamges to farms and ranches every year. They have no natural predators, and breed like roaches. They have over populated the south and are costing farmers and ranches millions every year. Texas actually passed a law that you can hunt them from helicopters. The only way to stop this is to kill them. A standard domesticated pig will revert to ferrel in less than 7 days if left on it's own accord, in the wild. That is faster than any other domesticated animal. Texas spends millions of dollars every year in erradication of ferrel hogs and sows.
Also there is no way that left to standard breeding that any herd of cattle could keep up with the consumtion of good hearted meat eaters. Simple fix for you, if you don't want to eat beef, don't, if you feel sorry for the poor fish ripped from his habitat in the water, don't eat it. If you feel sorry for the pig that has torn up thousands of miles of fence, and farm don't eat it, but do not stand to tell me and mine, or the other meat eaters, that it is wrong for us to eat an animal that was put on this earth for us to eat. If you just have a thing about beef move to India where it is illegal to eat beef cau it is their dead ancestors.
On a side note I do agree with Vulcan
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Veal the other other white meat.
oh gawd don't get the bird boi started on that. :lol
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I said moving towads it, not expecting it tomorrow all due to synthetic meats. Negative? So one minute you are a logical debater then the next you're a hippy? Oog and Boog didn't invent fire. Fire existed long before humans. They discovered it and learnt to harness it. Just like they learnt to kill something tasty for dinner. That would be making you the quiter, not Oog and Boog. I'm sure they would be very displeased to see you disregarding one of the things they worked hard at working out.
We might just as well give up harnessing fire as give up killing tasty animals for food.
Oops! I used the wrong word. I should have said "harness", not "invent". My bad. Hippy? I don't see what hippies have to do with optimism. There were a bunch at the train station doing a PETA demonstration, and I saw a pretty standard distribution of outlooks on life amongst them. I see a strawman. I just want humane farming practices, not a return to anarchy and the A.E.T.P. (Animals for the Eating of Tasty People).
Penguin don't ever feel bad for the pig, they are a nuisance animal in Texas. They do 17,000,000 in damamges to farms and ranches every year. They have no natural predators, and breed like roaches. They have over populated the south and are costing farmers and ranches millions every year. Texas actually passed a law that you can hunt them from helicopters. The only way to stop this is to kill them. A standard domesticated pig will revert to ferrel in less than 7 days if left on it's own accord, in the wild. That is faster than any other domesticated animal. Texas spends millions of dollars every year in erradication of ferrel hogs and sows.
Also there is no way that left to standard breeding that any herd of cattle could keep up with the consumtion of good hearted meat eaters. Simple fix for you, if you don't want to eat beef, don't, if you feel sorry for the poor fish ripped from his habitat in the water, don't eat it. If you feel sorry for the pig that has torn up thousands of miles of fence, and farm don't eat it, but do not stand to tell me and mine, or the other meat eaters, that it is wrong for us to eat an animal that was put on this earth for us to eat. If you just have a thing about beef move to India where it is illegal to eat beef cau it is their dead ancestors.
On a side note I do agree with Vulcan
First, I don't think that anyone/anything "put" pigs here, but that's another matter for another time. In addition, are you sure that much of our pork is coming from the killing of wild pigs? (which I agree with, the animals started the fight, and we'll finish it). Again, it's not that I favor not raising the animals for their meat, it's that I'm in favor for their ethical treatment while we do so.
@Bear Picture: :rofl
-Penguin
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ok move on.... enough of this Pig talk. :D
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Q: How many PETA members does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: None, PETA can't change anything.
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I said intrinsically superior. My point is that just because you're a human doesn't make you better than a cow. The reasoning behind this is that there is no such thing as absolute morality, it's all subjective. That being said, I would never let an animal eat me because I want to live! If that means cracking a few less sentient skulls, so be it.
-Penguin
I was gonna stay out...but this is so wrong, I feel the need to respond.
Penguin who destroyed your mind?
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I was gonna stay out...but this is so wrong, I feel the need to respond.
Penguin who destroyed your mind?
wikipedia...
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wikipedia...
I think its closer to home :(
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I think its closer to home :(
maybe he was born with it...
:uhoh
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lets put this thread to sleep already... it jumped the rails and went into the canyon long ago
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Oops! I used the wrong word. I should have said "harness", not "invent". My bad. Hippy? I don't see what hippies have to do with optimism. There were a bunch at the train station doing a PETA demonstration, and I saw a pretty standard distribution of outlooks on life amongst them. I see a strawman. I just want humane farming practices, not a return to anarchy and the A.E.T.P. (Animals for the Eating of Tasty People).
Words are incredibly important. If I was to say the sky is green, even though i meant to say blue, you would say I was wrong.
Hippy + Optimism = All you need is love
Realism = You need someone else in order to love which not everyone can have at once
Does not matter how positive you are, if no one loves you, your optimism fails.
There is no such thing as humane farming anymore than there was a humane way to dispose of the Jews during the holocaust. It is what it is. Slaughter. Would putting the Jews in 5 star accommodation before peacefully gassing them in their sleep have been an acceptable method? Of course not. As with all things in life, the end justifies the means, or not. The end result is we all get enough food as far as is possible. The consequence of us not all getting enough food would be murdering each other for the food. We've been there, we wont go back.
The solution of bio-engineered meat is a viable way of reducing the suffering of livestock. It is also a good way of preventing said livestock from ever being created. Please don't attempt to argue that never existing in order to avoid a traumatic death is a viable alternative to living even for a moment, that would be below your intelligence.
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Where did I claim that all one needed was love? You still didn't answer my hippy question. I was being optimistic, but where did love come into the picture? What are you talking about?
I think you're oversimplifying things. While killing people in a holocaust is unacceptable, if you're going to kill them, don't torture them. The same applies to slaughterhouses and industrial farming. The animals live in incredibly crampt quarters, literally stepping in each other's turds. Sure, they live, but it would be nice if they could live better.
-Penguin
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I think you're oversimplifying things. While killing people in a holocaust is unacceptable, if you're going to kill them, don't torture them. The same applies to slaughterhouses and industrial farming. The animals live in incredibly crampt quarters, literally stepping in each other's turds. Sure, they live, but it would be nice if they could live better.
-Penguin
when was the last time you stepped foot on a commercial farm or slaughterhouse?
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I think you're oversimplifying things. While killing people in a holocaust is unacceptable, if you're going to kill them, don't torture them. The same applies to slaughterhouses and industrial farming. The animals live in incredibly crampt quarters, literally stepping in each other's turds. Sure, they live, but it would be nice if they could live better.
-Penguin
seriously bro, be quiet for 2 seconds, or give up. im not trying to be mean or anything, but your not getting the big picture here. slaughterhouses are for killing animals QUICKLY. not for torture of the animals like your saying.
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when was the last time you stepped foot on a commercial farm or slaughterhouse?
I could level the same criticism at you.
seriously bro, be quiet for 2 seconds, or give up. im not trying to be mean or anything, but your not getting the big picture here. slaughterhouses are for killing animals QUICKLY. not for torture of the animals like your saying.
I'd disagree, both Wikipedia and Eisnitz, Gail A. Slaughterhouse. Prometheus Books, 1997, cited in Torres, Bob. Making a Killing. AK Press, 2007, p. 46. say that animals are skinned alive during slaughter. That's undeniably cruel and torturous.
-Penguin
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I could level the same criticism at you.
you wouldn't want to do that, you would lose...i've been places and seen things that would keep you awake for a long time.
you really should give it up. this is one instance where all your book smarts does you no good. you have to experience it to understand it.
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I could level the same criticism at you.
I'd disagree, both Wikipedia and Eisnitz, Gail A. Slaughterhouse. Prometheus Books, 1997, cited in Torres, Bob. Making a Killing. AK Press, 2007, p. 46. say that animals are skinned alive during slaughter. That's undeniably cruel and torturous.
-Penguin
that is a complete load of BS. my uncle worked in a slaughterhouse for 15 years, never once did he say that they skinned the animal while it was still alive.
not to mention your source is wikipedia....and well, research cat deems wikipedia unacceptable.
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I could level the same criticism at you.
I'd disagree, both Wikipedia and Eisnitz, Gail A. Slaughterhouse. Prometheus Books, 1997, cited in Torres, Bob. Making a Killing. AK Press, 2007, p. 46. say that animals are skinned alive during slaughter. That's undeniably cruel and torturous.
-Penguin
That just goes to show how little you actually know and how you will over look many things just to take out the part that applies to your cause......read the process part of your wiki..
For her book Slaughterhouse, Gail Eisnitz, chief investigator for the Humane Farming Association (HFA), interviewed slaughterhouse workers in the U.S. who say that, because of the speed with which they are required to work, animals are routinely skinned while apparently alive, and still blinking, kicking, and shrieking. Eisnitz argues that this is not only cruel to the animals, but also dangerous for the human workers, as cows weighing several thousands of pounds thrashing around in pain are likely to kick out and debilitate anyone working near them.[7]
According to the HFA, Eiznitz interviewed slaughterhouse workers representing over two million hours of experience, who, without exception, told her that they have beaten, strangled, boiled, and dismembered animals alive, or have failed to report those who do. The workers described the effects the violence has had on their personal lives, with several admitting to being physically abusive or taking to alcohol and other drugs.[8]
Honestly you bleat on about wanting to debate..well do it properly...at present and for many others you have not debated on facts but rather personal thought
Now that little bit you wrote up...you left out the fact that they said apparently alive....This process is pretty quick and a body of any description twitches just after death.
Have you ever caught a fish...and stabbed it's head to kill it humanely and seen how long it still moves (let's not get into the barbaric way in which said fish was snared hahaha)
Now that last part I have left in there because yes there are individuals who do mistreat sometimes in these places but that is not the general way of the company...usually these individuals are dealt with accordingly as it is not general practice .....I know of one such case here where a friend who was a sparky working saw abuse of animals by an individual and he was dismissed and...charged with animal cruelty
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that is a complete load of BS. my uncle worked in a slaughterhouse for 15 years, never once did he say that they skinned the animal while it was still alive.
not to mention your source is wikipedia....and well, research cat deems wikipedia unacceptable.
(http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i336/igotafro/research-cat-lolcat.jpg)
Since when are you the research cat?
That just goes to show how little you actually know and how you will over look many things just to take out the part that applies to your cause......read the process part of your wiki..
For her book Slaughterhouse, Gail Eisnitz, chief investigator for the Humane Farming Association (HFA), interviewed slaughterhouse workers in the U.S. who say that, because of the speed with which they are required to work, animals are routinely skinned while apparently alive, and still blinking, kicking, and shrieking. Eisnitz argues that this is not only cruel to the animals, but also dangerous for the human workers, as cows weighing several thousands of pounds thrashing around in pain are likely to kick out and debilitate anyone working near them.[7]
According to the HFA, Eiznitz interviewed slaughterhouse workers representing over two million hours of experience, who, without exception, told her that they have beaten, strangled, boiled, and dismembered animals alive, or have failed to report those who do. The workers described the effects the violence has had on their personal lives, with several admitting to being physically abusive or taking to alcohol and other drugs.[8]
Honestly you bleat on about wanting to debate..well do it properly...at present and for many others you have not debated on facts but rather personal thought
Now that little bit you wrote up...you left out the fact that they said apparently alive....This process is pretty quick and a body of any description twitches just after death.
Have you ever caught a fish...and stabbed it's head to kill it humanely and seen how long it still moves (let's not get into the barbaric way in which said fish was snared hahaha)
Now that last part I have left in there because yes there are individuals who do mistreat sometimes in these places but that is not the general way of the company...usually these individuals are dealt with accordingly as it is not general practice .....I know of one such case here where a friend who was a sparky working saw abuse of animals by an individual and he was dismissed and...charged with animal cruelty
Reread the passage yourself; the wiki first says 'apparently alive', and then just 'alive'.
According to the HFA, Eiznitz interviewed slaughterhouse workers representing over two million hours of experience, who, without exception, told her that they have beaten, strangled, boiled, and dismembered animals alive, or have failed to report those who do. The workers described the effects the violence has had on their personal lives, with several admitting to being physically abusive or taking to alcohol and other drugs.[8]
-Penguin
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Since when are you the research cat?
Reread the passage yourself; the wiki first says 'apparently alive', and then just 'alive'.
According to the HFA, Eiznitz interviewed slaughterhouse workers representing over two million hours of experience, who, without exception, told her that they have beaten, strangled, boiled, and dismembered animals alive, or have failed to report those who do. The workers described the effects the violence has had on their personal lives, with several admitting to being physically abusive or taking to alcohol and other drugs.[8]
-Penguin
dude read the bottom of my post.. I addressed that (cause I knew you would have to retort with it).... out of the whole industry the number of these people are a small percentage of the actual overall....yes it does happen but that is the mentality of some humans not of a company....
There will always be somebody there to be fore and against things...the ones that you hear about are those who make the most noise....
Oh yeah and most of the guys who work in these places have been there since birth so to speak....they are born into it...places like this are a cream job and a lot of the time employment is by knowing somebody there......so it is not too hard to say a combined 2 million hours of experience..... as I say people on the extreme side (both) use and manipulate information to enhance their cause...they make the most noise so are heard more than the rational ones
Oh yes and PS. This just proves my point...now.. only after you were called on it do you offer to use all of the quote...you at first went off the first paragraph omitted a few words and said this is gospel.....now you use the entire piece and use the latter part of it to try and cover your point..however in the original you stated only about skinning alive ..... see...we can all pick things that we want to use...but to be more rounded in your debate will win you more than it will lose.... just my opinion though...it is how I try to look at things... but I am not as you can probably tell a very theoretical person...I am but a simple layman...
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dude read the bottom of my post.. I addressed that (cause I knew you would have to retort with it).... out of the whole industry the number of these people are a small percentage of the actual overall....yes it does happen but that is the mentality of some humans not of a company....
There will always be somebody there to be fore and against things...the ones that you hear about are those who make the most noise....
Oh yeah and most of the guys who work in these places have been there since birth so to speak....they are born into it...places like this are a cream job and a lot of the time employment is by knowing somebody there......so it is not too hard to say a combined 2 million hours of experience..... as I say people on the extreme side (both) use and manipulate information to enhance their cause...they make the most noise so are heard more than the rational ones
Oh yes and PS. This just proves my point...now.. only after you were called on it do you offer to use all of the quote...you at first went off the first paragraph omitted a few words and said this is gospel.....now you use the entire piece and use the latter part of it to try and cover your point..however in the original you stated only about skinning alive ..... see...we can all pick things that we want to use...but to be more rounded in your debate will win you more than it will lose.... just my opinion though...it is how I try to look at things... but I am not as you can probably tell a very theoretical person...I am but a simple layman...
So you're saying that 2 million hours of experience isn't much because meatpackers begin work much earlier than others. Alright, I want to do the math on this:
Let's assume a 40 hour work week
2 million divided by 40= 50 000 weeks
50 weeks in a work year = 1,000 years
Let's say they go all-out cradle-to-coffin, 1,000/80= approximately 12 men
Wow, I never thought that it could work out to such a small number. Perhaps the extreme overplayed it- it seems like slaughterhouses are surprisingly humane.
-Penguin
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Where did I claim that all one needed was love? You still didn't answer my hippy question. I was being optimistic, but where did love come into the picture? What are you talking about?
I think you're oversimplifying things. While killing people in a holocaust is unacceptable, if you're going to kill them, don't torture them. The same applies to slaughterhouses and industrial farming. The animals live in incredibly crampt quarters, literally stepping in each other's turds. Sure, they live, but it would be nice if they could live better.
-Penguin
Youre being rather dense. Obviously the example of how optimism alone is fruitless went over your head.
Besides, you have not answered my on-topic question at all. Would the holocaust have been more acceptable if five star hotels were used to wait for the gas chamber instead of concentration camps? However you try to sugar coat things, animals are going to die for our food. In many respects, making an animal feel safe and comfortable before slaughtering it is more cruel than letting it poop itself into numb terror before the chop.
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No, it wouldn't have been more acceptable. Those people had families and all that. However, if they were going to be killed, giving them a good life beforehand wouldn't be evil. My point was that how you live is just as important as how you die. Until we get lab-meat, you're right.
-Penguin
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All animals have their place in this world, it just happens to be right next to my mashed potatoes! :rock
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I always come late to the party because I want to tell penguin about a comment he made a few pages back about killing living things and how he wishes that we didn't have to. What would you call a plant found on a distant planet there bud? Plant LIFE? Plants are living things they are just easier to catch!
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My question is does he smack a mosquito when it lands on him and sucks his blood? That is killing and you can't even eat it, well you can but you might get worms.
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So you're saying that 2 million hours of experience isn't much because meatpackers begin work much earlier than others. Alright, I want to do the math on this:
Let's assume a 40 hour work week
2 million divided by 40= 50 000 weeks
50 weeks in a work year = 1,000 years
Let's say they go all-out cradle-to-coffin, 1,000/80= approximately 12 men
Wow, I never thought that it could work out to such a small number. Perhaps the extreme overplayed it- it seems like slaughterhouses are surprisingly humane.
-Penguin
:headscratch: Honestly :rolleyes: yes they did...see above.... :lol :lol :lol
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My point is that just because you're a human doesn't make you better than a cow.
-Penguin
Haven't read this entire thread, but this one stood out to me.
I'm better than a cow.
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:rofl Jayhawk :aok
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Relevant or not... it was a good watch on PBS WTTW POV.
http://www.foodincmovie.com/
X :salute
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For her book Slaughterhouse, Gail Eisnitz, chief investigator for the Humane Farming Association (HFA),
Given the attitude many PETA types have for faking stuff I stopped reading right there.
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Hmm, according to [...] our earliest known ancestors ate mostly plants.
Might be right, but they were not human beings as we think about it now They were apes who managed to walk on 2 feet. I would say, that Homo erectus was the first to control fire and started to eat grilled, cooked etc. meat regulary. So he started to beat his meat 1.5 mill years ago. During that time till now, human mankind regulary ate meat.
Therefor I do not accept the argument, that our ancestors ate mostly plants. How far does you go to define ancestors? apes, fish, bacteria?
just my 2 eurocent.
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I looked all the way back through the hominid family tree. Though they are not members of homo sapiens, they share many of our major characteristics (sociable, bipedal or semi-bipedal, complex tools, art).
-Penguin
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Geez, next thing you know Penguin's going to be telling us we're all descended from monkeys! I AM NOT A MONKEY! :furious
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Geez, next thing you know Penguin's going to be telling us we're all descended from monkeys! I AM NOT A MONKEY! :furious
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98% shared DNA says otherwise :P
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98% shared DNA says otherwise :P
99.4% in his case. :banana:
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*looks back in
WHAT THE HE## HAVE YOU NITWITS DONE TO MY THREAD. THIS IS ABOUT THE GLORIOUS GOODNESS OF MEAT NOT A DISCUSSION OF DARWINISM.
*stomps out muttering expletives punctuated by 'tards'.
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98% shared DNA says otherwise :P
only 93% supposedly shared dna with monkeys and only 96% with apes, says you're wrong...and he did say monkeys. :lol :D
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now THAT is what I'm talkin about
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damn I'm hungry :O
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This thread has inspired me to go get a double baconator.
[EDIT] Done!
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Like a boss!
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YA BABY
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YA BABY
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that gave me an idea...
surf and turf!!!
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