Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: bangsbox on October 07, 2011, 05:27:48 PM
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vader first,then floaty plane :D
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Who is that?
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Who is that?
a guy in a ww2 sailor work uniform holding what looks like a short barreled m2.
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Nice shoes!
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a guy in a ww2 sailor work uniform holding what looks like a short barreled m2.
Yeah I'm trying to figure out why do we need to give him an airplane in aces high. I realize some people here might want the plane but what does that guy have to do with anything?
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Yeah I'm trying to figure out why do we need to give him an airplane in aces high. I realize some people here might want the plane but what does that guy have to do with anything?
oh, sorry i thought you knew. i don't think i should tell though, maybe bangsbox will...
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I like the idea of floatplanes, but this things useless in a game that centers itself around combat.
If you want to fly for hours scouting around, then go play MS Flight :ahand
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Oh an another -1 because the person that wants this, tries to sneak it into every post possible, which is annoying.
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+1 For PBY
Just cause it's in the game doesn't mean you have to fly it. There's a ton that would, and it'd be especially awesome for FSO and special events.
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oh, sorry i thought you knew. i don't think i should tell though, maybe bangsbox will...
Okay...now I'm really interested. I guess I'll wait for Bangsbox than.
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That's Sergeant Morgan! One of the many impressive men descended from the one and only Captain Morgan!
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If you want to fly for hours scouting around, then go play MS Flight :ahand
Is it out yet?
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this sucker can carry 2, yes...2 american torps. Which is all that is needed to sink a CV and between 4 and 8k of bombs depending where u look. Now it maybe slow, but we have planes that are; we have planes that dont have the best defencive guns (ju88) aswell. The pby was used by by a couple of contries and built in large numbers. They have seen plenty of combat and have changed the course of battles: midway and made very famous for that movie "midway", sink the bismark being pivotal by spotting the ship (1st or 2nd spot cant remember right now). This plane doesnt have to take off from water anytime soon to be added to the game; so it should be added for just being another bomber people fly for what it is, not what it does. Which we have plenty of planes used in MA just because of that.
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+1. i said it in another thread and i'll say it again: Not everyone likes to spit around in a section of sky all day wasting ammunition. You guys can spend your $15 furballing in your 80+ fighters but I'd like to have the option at least with ONE plane to spending my $15 to scout/torp all day
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PBY is a scout plane, that's the only thing it can really do. It's top speed is bellow 200mph. If it does get added I don't see anyone flying it, you can scout on a bomber that is faster and is capable of defending itself.
Adding PBY is not like adding any new plane. It would require new codes that would let it land on water. This requires just way too much work just to have one airplane that no one is going to fly.
I realize that some of you will fly it when/if it get's added. But for how long do you see yourselfs flying a slow & defenseless plane? It will get boring sooner or later, and with this plane it won't take long. Eventually you will switch to bombers.
Tell me, what would you rather do:
A. Take off on the PBY, find the enemy CV, and hopefully not get shot down because it would be very easy. Than go back to base, take a bomber and fly to the place where you saw the CV, because those two trips took you so long the CV would already be gone and you'd have to find it again. Then when you finally found it a second time you can finally destroy it. Or instead of going back to can report it's position on country channel and have someone else get all the credit for your work.
B. Take off on a bomber that is twice as fast and can actually defend itself, find the enemy CV and destroy it.
Don't know about you but I think I'd go with B.
this sucker can carry 2, yes...2 american torps. Which is all that is needed to sink a CV and between 4 and 8k of bombs depending where u look. Now it maybe slow, but we have planes that are; we have planes that dont have the best defencive guns (ju88) aswell. The pby was used by by a couple of contries and built in large numbers. They have seen plenty of combat and have changed the course of battles: midway and made very famous for that movie "midway", sink the bismark being pivotal by spotting the ship (1st or 2nd spot cant remember right now). This plane doesnt have to take off from water anytime soon to be added to the game; so it should be added for just being another bomber people fly for what it is, not what it does. Which we have plenty of planes used in MA just because of that.
You realize how many complains we will get that the PBY is not realistic and it should be able to land on water.
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I realize that some of you will fly it when/if it get's added. But for how long do you see yourselfs flying a slow & defenseless plane?
Probably as much as they currently fly the B5N.
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PBY is a scout plane, that's the only thing it can really do. It's top speed is bellow 200mph. If it does get added I don't see anyone flying it, you can scout on a bomber that is faster and is capable of defending itself.
Adding PBY is not like adding any new plane. It would require new codes that would let it land on water. This requires just way too much work just to have one airplane that no one is going to fly.
I realize that some of you will fly it when/if it get's added. But for how long do you see yourselfs flying a slow & defenseless plane? It will get boring sooner or later, and with this plane it won't take long. Eventually you will switch to bombers.
Tell me, what would you rather do:
A. Take off on the PBY, find the enemy CV, and hopefully not get shot down because it would be very easy. Than go back to base, take a bomber and fly to the place where you saw the CV, because those two trips took you so long the CV would already be gone and you'd have to find it again. Then when you finally found it a second time you can finally destroy it. Or instead of going back to can report it's position on country channel and have someone else get all the credit for your work.
B. Take off on a bomber that is twice as fast and can actually defend itself, find the enemy CV and destroy it.
Don't know about you but I think I'd go with B.
You realize how many complains we will get that the PBY is not realistic and it should be able to land on water.
Well in that case lets just get rid of ALL the bombers since P-51s can drop more, accurately, and then dogfight afterwards. Shoot, while we're at it, lets get rid of everything EXCEPT the P-51! Yeah!!!!!!
Why are you so against this? Did some old PBY pilot touch you in the nether regions as a kid or something? Jesus, I've never seen such a response against a single airplane such as this. We have about 10 hangar queens I've never seen in the air in my 2+ years flying here. You have a PLETHORA of fighters. Why can't you let us have one plane request without a massive barrage of hate? You don't like it, fine then don't fly it. Like I said, its my $15. It won't hurt you any if this is added, will it? Not everyone likes to fly the biggest, fastest, and baddest rides around. I'll take a P-40 over a P-51 anyday. P-39D over a P-47N. Bf109E over a P-38J. That type of thing just tickles me in some kinky way. Heck, you should be rejoicing. Come shoot us down!
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Well in that case lets just get rid of ALL the bombers since P-51s can drop more, accurately, and then dogfight afterwards. Shoot, while we're at it, lets get rid of everything EXCEPT the P-51! Yeah!!!!!!
Why are you so against this? Did some old PBY pilot touch you in the nether regions as a kid or something? Jesus, I've never seen such a response against a single airplane such as this. We have about 10 hangar queens I've never seen in the air in my 2+ years flying here. You have a PLETHORA of fighters. Why can't you let us have one plane request without a massive barrage of hate? You don't like it, fine then don't fly it. Like I said, its my $15. It won't hurt you any if this is added, will it? Not everyone likes to fly the biggest, fastest, and baddest rides around. I'll take a P-40 over a P-51 anyday. P-39D over a P-47N. Bf109E over a P-38J. That type of thing just tickles me in some kinky way. Heck, you should be rejoicing. Come shoot us down!
I have nothing against the plane, as a matter effect I'd love to fly one. The problem with Aces High and PBY is that it would require completely new coding that would let it land on water and in the end no one is going to fly it because it can't really do anything for Aces High. You say that you'd take a P-40 over a P-51, I understand that because P-40 can actually do something, what can the PBY do that will be useful in Aces High?
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I have nothing against the plane, as a matter effect I'd love to fly one. The problem with Aces High and PBY is that it would require completely new coding that would let it land on water and in the end no one is going to fly it because it can't really do anything for Aces High. You say that you'd take a P-40 over a P-51, I understand that because P-40 can actually do something, what can the PBY do that will be useful in Aces High?
first off P=patrol B=bomber(meaning it has ords) Y=consildated aircraft corp.(PBY)
as for the "coding" we have pt boats.. that float we have ships that float and we have barges that float... they would more or less have to simply apply the pt boats floating ability code to the hull of the pby gears would still function as gears when on land but to modify the pt boats script for a pby wouldent be that challanging(compared to making a new code from scratch) it would take more tweaking then "recoding" and if they decided to recode the whole thing thats up to them honestly one of more annoying bits would probably be designing the wake/landing speeds/set down of a pby on water
also i really dont know much abotu coding.. but its easier generaly easier to do somthing when you already have somthing similiare you can modify..
also depending on the model added it can serve in all arenas...
but one thing ppl seem to be forgetting is it can land on water and its props are ontop of the plane.... which means u can fly it 1-2 ft off the water making it rather hard to spot by ur normal passing aircraft at 5-10kft
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Hey... we have flying PT boats... why not floating planes?
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first off P=patrol B=bomber(meaning it has ords) Y=consildated aircraft corp.(PBY)
as for the "coding" we have pt boats.. that float we have ships that float and we have barges that float... they would more or less have to simply apply the pt boats floating ability code to the hull of the pby gears would still function as gears when on land but to modify the pt boats script for a pby wouldent be that challanging(compared to making a new code from scratch) it would take more tweaking then "recoding" and if they decided to recode the whole thing thats up to them honestly one of more annoying bits would probably be designing the wake/landing speeds/set down of a pby on water
also i really dont know much abotu coding.. but its easier generaly easier to do somthing when you already have somthing similiare you can modify..
also depending on the model added it can serve in all arenas...
but one thing ppl seem to be forgetting is it can land on water and its props are ontop of the plane.... which means u can fly it 1-2 ft off the water making it rather hard to spot by ur normal passing aircraft at 5-10kft
I'm not a programmer but I really don't think it's that simple.
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I'm not a programmer but I really don't think it's that simple.
He has a point. I don't see what the difference between the two are. Both displace water. Seems easy enough. Maybe could lead to the development of subs?
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He has a point. I don't see what the difference between the two are. Both displace water. Seems easy enough. Maybe could lead to the development of subs?
Even on a float plane if you touch down too fast your not going to survive it (or at least the plane won't). I'm sure this is not programmed with PM boats.
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Even on a float plane if you touch down too fast your not going to survive it (or at least the plane won't). I'm sure this is not programmed with PM boats.
plane does a 180mph... touching down wouldent be to "demanding" as for the impact part that would not be modeld on the water... but on the gears just like when you set down an ar234 at 250mph its gears snap off the modeling is not in the ground but the gears...
as for modifying the code it really is that simple when you get down to it and keep it basic think of it as you have some red paint but you need pink paint...all you have to do is add more white becuase you already have the red..
pt boat uses a code to float...that could be switched over to the pby and redesigned to fit the aircraft structure and then the fualt points of landing to hard would be on the gears/wings just like any other plane...
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He has a point. I don't see what the difference between the two are. Both displace water. Seems easy enough. Maybe could lead to the development of subs?
indeed it could lead to the development of subs if they made a whole new script for the pby and added a shallow layer of water it would open the door for subs or at leaste get them started in the right direction by adding depth to the water not the collidable surface it currently is and adding the float ability to things...
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plane does a 180mph... touching down wouldent be to "demanding" as for the impact part that would not be modeld on the water... but on the gears just like when you set down an ar234 at 250mph its gears snap off the modeling is not in the ground but the gears...
as for modifying the code it really is that simple when you get down to it and keep it basic think of it as you have some red paint but you need pink paint...all you have to do is add more white becuase you already have the red..
pt boat uses a code to float...that could be switched over to the pby and redesigned to fit the aircraft structure and then the fualt points of landing to hard would be on the gears/wings just like any other plane...
Landing on water is nothing like landing on land. So far everything HTC made is realistic, so water landing will have to be realistic as well. I don't see HTC spending whole bunch of time and resources on this, especially when no one is going to use it.
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indeed it could lead to the development of subs if they made a whole new script for the pby and added a shallow layer of water it would open the door for subs or at leaste get them started in the right direction by adding depth to the water not the collidable surface it currently is and adding the float ability to things...
Submarines require three dimensional space, PBY requires realistic characteristics of the top water layer. The two are completely different.
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Okay...now I'm really interested. I guess I'll wait for Bangsbox than.
lol awesome... doesn't he just looks here forgotten after playing such a large part of the air, sea, and recon role. with 2 US torps it could sink a cv by its self. much needed plane; no other bomber/attack plane could sink a CV with Torps alone.
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Submarines require three dimensional space, PBY requires realistic characteristics of the top water layer. The two are completely different.
people that want to "fly" it; they dont care about landing on water.....
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lol awesome... doesn't he just looks here forgotten after playing such a large part of the air, sea, and recon role. with 2 US torps it could sink a cv by its self. much needed plane; no other bomber/attack plane could sink a CV with Torps alone.
Do you really see it being able to get thought the ack to drop those torpedoes? It's a large plane that is not very fast, it will be an east target.
people that want to "fly" it; they dont care about landing on water.....
Sure we can just make it a land only plane, but you realize after the plane is added we'll get a million complains that it does not land on water. And this will become the first un-realistic plane in AH.
PBY is a good plane and I want it, but it has no place in Aces High right now. It's primary role is scouting for enemy targets, we don't need that right now. Maybe later when the game play completely changes PBY will be a good idea.
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Do you really see it being able to get thought the ack to drop those torpedoes? It's a large plane that is not very fast, it will be an east target.
Sure we can just make it a land only plane, but you realize after the plane is added we'll get a million complains that it does not land on water. And this will become the first un-realistic plane in AH.
PBY is a good plane and I want it, but it has no place in Aces High right now. It's primary role is scouting for enemy targets, we don't need that right now. Maybe later when the game play completely changes PBY will be a good idea.
the same way any plane in the game torps ships (sneaky, Sneaky). i torp all the time; ive hit maybe 50x in 400 flights and have only live to see the boom 4x on top of only landing the torpedo bomber 2X EVER. its not about survival with TORP sorties; it's about trying to survive in a sweet plane with deadly fish-bombs against all odds.
and the million complaints will be people that would only fly it for the first release day anyway...
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I have herd that the PBY did not have any flaps, and it took a long time to get them airborne.Does any one have any info on this.
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the same way any plane in the game torps ships (sneaky, Sneaky). i torp all the time; ive hit maybe 50x in 400 flights and have only live to see the boom 4x on top of only landing the torpedo bomber 2X EVER. its not about survival with TORP sorties; it's about trying to survive in a sweet plane with deadly fish-bombs against all odds.
and the million complaints will be people that would only fly it for the first release day anyway...
I'm sure our arguing will not change whether we get it or not. I'll leave it for HTC to decide (like they end up doing for every other plane).
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I have herd that the PBY did not have any flaps, and it took a long time to get them airborne.Does any one have any info on this.
I'm sure taking off paved runways will not be a problem, given that they are long enough for a B-29 to take off. Water take offs are topically a lot longer (I think 3 times as long) because of all the drag from water, but that's not a problem either because water is typically "long".
Looking at this picture it looks like it does not have flaps.
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torping a cv currently is practicly impossible(to the unknowing/untrained torper) as it stands do to the "fake" guns however i still do it and i have shown at least 5 ppl how to torp a cv and they have succeeded becuase its not in the plane its in the pilot...ive seen ppl fly a b5n2(argubly the most flammable plane) torp a cruiser and fly away....the plane is just that a plane... the pilot makes the calls IE you dont torp the cv from the rear...or fly directly over a destroyer at 40 ft also as for the "low speed" currently for anything but US torps you have to drop below 200mph to get them to enter the water which is a pain at times espcially when your doing 250-300 US torps are 250mph... you would be able to actaully "dive" on the cv with this plane given the fact it does 180mph you can actaully accelerate on approach making it better then what we currently have
as for the water thing they would have to model the whole ocean to have depth sortve an upside down sky to add subs... which would create a lot of lag and many ppl probably would have troubles...but eitherway a shallow layer being added would reduce the work needed for subs becuase the surface of the water would already be done...is my point and you know what else when/if they release subs you know what everyones goign to be screaming? WE NEED PBYS!!! WE NEED DEPTH CHARGES!! WE NEED ASW!!! just like when king tiger got added everyone wanted a tank destroyer to wipe it out....
and as for landing on the water it would still be modeld on the plane not the water..... becuase when you crash or screw a landing up its generaly under the structure failure area...meaning u set it down to hard.... so it would be just like any other plane but overwater
it has a role in AH just becuase you wont fly it or use it dosent mean others wont
and yeah with 2 US torps it would be awesome as all we have is the tbm(for us torps)