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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: alpini13 on October 07, 2011, 09:36:15 PM
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It sure would be nice to see the M-7 priest 105mm self propelled gun or german wespe 105mm self propelled gun in the game
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3 threads about GVs in just over 15 minutes, nice.
Now on topic, what's the difference between a self propelled gun and a tank?
BTW I thought you did not want any more American GVs?
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+1
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Simple answer is tank has a rotating turret and a self propelled gun must turn on it`s tracks.
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The M4/105mm would be an easy addition to AH. The M4 chassis is already here, ditto with the correct turret.
Only the 105mm gun would need to be modeled. Not too big of a task in comparison.
Than again, the Su-152, M7 Priest, Wespe, Sexton, etc etc would all make good choices as well.
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KV2
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The M4/105mm would be an easy addition to AH. The M4 chassis is already here, ditto with the correct turret.
if you want the M4/105 your going to have to redo the suspension, engine, turret and add in the gun.
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Now on topic, what's the difference between a self propelled gun and a tank?
theres a few differances tanks have turrets for one..also heavily(in comparission) armored and designed for frontline combat as to where a self propelled gun is support fire
tanks useally have machine guns equiped on them...i dont recall any self propelled guns that do and also some self propelled guns require time to be set up before being used...tanks are ready to go
more or less a self propelled gun is a peice of mobile artillery with no real defences and relys on others to keep it safe...and generaly avoids direct combat
tanks go out and get involved in direct combat...hold frontlines/advance ect
on a side note im possibly very wrong here... but thats at leaste the basic differances from what i can tell
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if you want the M4/105 your going to have to redo the suspension, engine, turret and add in the gun.
Hmmm, can you point out which tanks have their engines modeled in AH? I haven't seen an engine yet,
but I'm barely out of my first decade here :lol
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Hmmm, can you point out which tanks have their engines modeled in AH? I haven't seen an engine yet,
but I'm barely out of my first decade here :lol
engine damage, sure you've seen that! :D
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engine damage, sure you've seen that! :D
I wonder if you realize that every time you make a post skorp how silly it makes you sound. You do not need to prove to the world how ignorant you are.
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i want my 105mm sherman :cry
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if you want the M4/105 your going to have to redo the suspension, engine, turret and add in the gun.
Same engine. Same suspension. Same turret as the M4 we have now. Different gun. HE, smoke, and , I think but am not sure, HEAT rounds.
A variant of the M4 Sherman was armed with the 105 mm M4 howitzer, which provided even more powerful high-explosive armament. This variant was employed in six-vehicle "Assault Gun" platoons in armored battalions to provide close fire support and smoke. The 105mm-armed variants were of limited use against enemy tanks due to the poor anti-armor performance of the howitzer, which was not intended to fight other tanks, though a High Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT) round for the 105mm howitzer was available for self defense.
wrongway
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Same engine. Same suspension. Same turret as the M4 we have now. Different gun. HE, smoke, and , I think but am not sure, HEAT rounds.
wrongway
are you sure that with adding a massive gun that weighs alot more wouldnt require a new engine/suspension? the turret, maybe, but the gun could possibly go over the weight capacity that the suspension could handle.
and yes, the 105 M4 carried HEAT rounds.
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are you sure that with adding a massive gun that weighs alot more wouldnt require a new engine/suspension? the turret, maybe, but the gun could possibly go over the weight capacity that the suspension could handle.
and yes, the 105 M4 carried HEAT rounds.
What gives you the impression that the 105 is "massive"? Have you done any research or do you figure it is so because "105" is a bigger number? Do you know what a "howitzer" is?
BTW, muzzle velocity of the 105 HEAT is about 60% of the 75 in the Sherman in game now.
wrongway
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lol, wrongway the squeakers all think the 105 is massive, and i don't think too many people realize just how small the 75/76mm is.
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to find how many inches something is in mm times it by 25.4 for instance 105mm cannon is 2.667" in diameter.
And skorpion if I see you apply world of tanks logic on how stuff is modeled 1 more time I will puke.
WOT is based on fiction 75% of the time, they nerf or buff stuff based on balance not actual numbers.
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lol, wrongway the squeakers all think the 105 is massive, and i don't think too many people realize just how small the 75/76mm is.
better call the army and tell them that their tanks have a puny 105mm gun. what's the caliber of their arty and tanks in iraq right now? <start sarcasm font> I am pretty sure since they used 105mm in ww2 it should probably be at least 1000mm by now <end sarcasm font>.
semp
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better call the army and tell them that their tanks have a puny 105mm gun. what's the caliber of their arty and tanks in iraq right now? <start sarcasm font> I am pretty sure since they used 105mm in ww2 it should probably be at least 1000mm by now <end sarcasm font>.
semp
lol, actually m60 medium tank used a 105mm rifled bore, the m1a1 and m1a2 abrams uses a 120mm smooth bore. the largest field artillery piece you're going to see on the modern battlefield is probably the 8 inch.
have you ever seen the actual shells?
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lol, actually m60 medium tank used a 105mm rifled bore, the m1a1 and m1a2 abrams uses a 120mm smooth bore. the largest field artillery piece you're going to see on the modern battlefield is probably the 8 inch.
have you ever seen the actual shells?
I have fired them. just wondering why you posted the comment about "non-massive" 105mm gun.
semp
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skorpion... for your sake please check out a few books from the library and start saving your money for reference books on WWII. ;) :salute
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because it's big yes, massive no. has a really nice blast radius but the 155mm and 203mm really rock your socks. i guess i was always a fan of the 155 over the 105. fired from a rifled tank barrel the 105 is a butt kicker, but then so were the ww2 85, 88 and 90mm.
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I have fired them. just wondering why you posted the comment about "non-massive" 105mm gun.
semp
My reason was comparing the physical size of a 75 or 76mm guns carried in the turret of the M4A3 in game now versus the physical size of a 105mm howitzer that was also mounted in the same M4A3 turret.
Massive?
(http://www.aaamodels.co.uk/List_Pics/HAT/AF_99015_M4A3_105_SHERMAN.JPG)
(http://www.aaamodels.co.uk/List_Pics/HAT/AF_99014_M4A3_75MM.JPG)
Same turret.
wrongway
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My reason was comparing the physical size of a 75 or 76mm guns carried in the turret of the M4A3 in game now versus the physical size of a 105mm howitzer that was also mounted in the same M4A3 turret.
Massive?
(http://www.aaamodels.co.uk/List_Pics/HAT/AF_99015_M4A3_105_SHERMAN.JPG)
(http://www.aaamodels.co.uk/List_Pics/HAT/AF_99014_M4A3_75MM.JPG)
Same turret.
wrongway
yes size of the gun itself is misleading. however you implied that 105mm is not that big of a deal or as you put it not massive. but the 105mm puts a massive punch. otherwise it wouldnt be still used today.
perhaps you may want to clarify what you mean in terms of the gun size itself and not your statement that the 105mm is not "massive". because i have seen the 105mm hit and I can tell you that it aint a little pop :salute
semp
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Don't the marines still use 105 toadies ? They used to be in love with 'em .
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A tank is judged by several attributes. Mobility, armor and firepower.
A Priest is an artillery piece meant for indirect fire, a support role. If the Priest does end up in this game wouldn't you need a 'land mode', like in the navy ships, to utilize it's range?
The caliber of the gun does not automatically make it better. The Panther had a 75mm long-barreled gun, it was the long barrel and high velocity and bigger shell charge that made the gun superior, not the caliber. However, my intent is not to troll, the m4 105 should be in the game, given destroying buildings and stuff is a key component to the game. The 76mm M4 had a long barrel, which is where the power came from.
That being said, as semp suggested, there's a real good reason why the gun is still used today.
On the topic of artillery peices, we have one currently called the 'walking stuka', the SDK with the rockets on that side... the rockets that you can't adjust angles with. Why don't we start by fixing that?
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yes size of the gun itself is misleading. however you implied that 105mm is not that big of a deal or as you put it not massive. but the 105mm puts a massive punch. otherwise it wouldnt be still used today.
perhaps you may want to clarify what you mean in terms of the gun size itself and not your statement that the 105mm is not "massive". because i have seen the 105mm hit and I can tell you that it aint a little pop :salute
semp
The OP stated the M-4/105 needed a redesigned turret because of the "massive" 105mm howitzer....
We're talking guns in tank turrets here. Context.
How do you think, having first hand experience, the 105 would do used against another tank? I ask because that's what I know those asking for it are thinking.
"105-->bigger than 75, 76, 88-->it'll do "massive" damage...."
Explain it to them Semp.
wrongway
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The OP stated the M-4/105 needed a redesigned turret because of the "massive" 105mm howitzer....
We're talking guns in tank turrets here. Context.
How do you think, having first hand experience, the 105 would do used against another tank? I ask because that's what I know those asking for it are thinking.
"105-->bigger than 75, 76, 88-->it'll do "massive" damage...."
Explain it to them Semp.
wrongway
well the 75 and 76 will kill tanks with one shot. so does the 88. I am curious to now what the hell you are trying to say by the statement that the "105mm howitzer" is not massive. what exactly is your definition of massive? and what exactly are you trying to say? just curious because the 105mm in tanks is still used today.
semp
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at first abrams where 105mm... then in the A1 they went to 120mm.
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well the 75 and 76 will kill tanks with one shot. so does the 88. I am curious to now what the hell you are trying to say by the statement that the "105mm howitzer" is not massive. what exactly is your definition of massive? and what exactly are you trying to say? just curious because the 105mm in tanks is still used today.
semp
the 105mm main gun in the modern tanks you're referencing aren't field howitzers, nor were the 75mm, 76mm and 88mm main guns. m2 (~1420 fps) 105mm on the m4a3(105) and the m2a1 (~1550 fps) 105mm on the m7 were field howitzers, not anti-tank guns.
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what exactly is your definition of massive? and what exactly are you trying to say? just curious because the 105mm in tanks is still used today.
semp
Physical dimensions as compaired to the 75 or 76 also carried by the Sherman.
That is all.
Is the 105mm Howitzer "massively" larger than the 75mm carried by the Sherman in terms of physically fitting in the turret.
wrongway
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Physical dimensions as compaired to the 75 or 76 also carried by the Sherman.
That is all.
Is the 105mm Howitzer "massively" larger than the 75mm carried by the Sherman in terms of physically fitting in the turret.
wrongway
but the context as you say that they mean is the 105mm is actually bigger than the 75/76 in the sense that it carries a bigger punch. I still think the best cannon was the 88, but then again the m18 got kills on it by sneaking up from behind.
but I still stand that the 105 is a big massive gun bigger than the massive 75/76. like forest gump once said, you only need so much power to kill a tank, anything over that is just to show off :).
unless you only consider big Bertha a massive gun
(http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt278/kaisermanfred/Big_Bertha.jpg)
or perhaps this one
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pJKiq6zydBA/TfKpN0Cyj9I/AAAAAAAAIng/8avcffvwlks/s1600/Gustav.jpg&imgrefurl=http://highpowerrocketry.blogspot.com/2011/06/schwerer-gustav-and-dora-railway-siege.html&h=480&w=614&sz=20&tbnid=9mWrm77ACc_r8M:&tbnh=84&tbnw=107&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpictures%2Bof%2BSchwerer%2BGustav%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=pictures+of+Schwerer+Gustav&docid=suCOD21mpwH3iM&sa=X&ei=AiCWTqCkLKnhiAKj7qHODQ&ved=0CCIQ9QEwAQ
semp
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what about the elefant heavy tank destroyer.
how kickass would it be to cruise around in one of those eh? :D :devil
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lol, wrongway the squeakers all think the 105 is massive, and i don't think too many people realize just how small the 75/76mm is.
EDIT: i apologize for the double post, unintentional
It is pretty small just barley breaking the 3" mark now 105 is somewheres around 5"-6" which is whats on the CV's
of course you know this :P making a point for those who dont understand :lol
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what about the elefant heavy tank destroyer.
how kickass would it be to cruise around in one of those eh? :D :devil
jagdpanther would be funner! :neener:
StuG III...
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jagdpanther would be funner! :neener:
still stand by elefant :P
PS: funner isnt a word :lol
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still stand by elefant :P
PS: funner isnt a word :lol
:lol who cares if funner isnt a word! :D
BTW, jagdpanther would eat an elephant...st00pid elefantz are afraidz of mice!!! :P
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Quote from: gyrene81 on October 10, 2011, 06:52:51 AM
lol, wrongway the squeakers all think the 105 is massive, and i don't think too many people realize just how small the 75/76mm is.
EDIT: i apologize for the double post, unintentional
It is pretty small just barley breaking the 3" mark now 105 is somewheres around 5"-6" which is whats on the CV's
of course you know this Neener! Neener! making a point for those who dont understand Hehe!
105mm divided by 25.4= 4.133 inches in diameter 1"=25.4 MM for future reference
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Quote from: gyrene81 on October 10, 2011, 06:52:51 AM
lol, wrongway the squeakers all think the 105 is massive, and i don't think too many people realize just how small the 75/76mm is.
EDIT: i apologize for the double post, unintentional
It is pretty small just barley breaking the 3" mark now 105 is somewheres around 5"-6" which is whats on the CV's
of course you know this Neener! Neener! making a point for those who dont understand Hehe!
105mm divided by 25.4= 4.133 inches in diameter 1"=25.4 MM for future reference
lol just a quick guess, didnt feel like doing math :lol
but it still pushes my point that much further.
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lol just a quick guess, didnt feel like doing math :lol
but it still pushes my point that much further.
so when it comes to guns 4 inches is too small? have you seen. them when they hit? have you seen the damage they cause? when you do come back and tell us about the puny sound and hit. research cannons and you will see how puny they were. just the gun barrels in some tanks were in the thousands of lbs. just the 37mm in earlier tanks weighed at more than 500 lbs and that was about an inch for the round.
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so when it comes to guns 4 inches is too small? have you seen. them when they hit? have you seen the damage they cause? when you do come back and tell us about the puny sound and hit. research cannons and you will see how puny they were. just the gun barrels in some tanks were in the thousands of lbs. just the 37mm in earlier tanks weighed at more than 500 lbs and that was about an inch for the round.
Easy there mister, just makeing a point no need to get your panties in a knot
Anyways, no, i dont know what they sound, look or feel like when firing. I used to read some naval warfare books and anything under like 5" was used for AA and against small ships like frigates and destroyers.
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Off topic.
Explain to me,RE: Naval guns, caliber.
IE: 5"/38 caliber, 5"/54 caliber.
It is gun length, correct?
Why?
Thank you.
Back on topic, sort of:
What are the physical dimensions of the 75, 76, and 105mm gun/howitzer as mounted in essentially the same turret on the M4A3?
Barrel length, weight, ect.
wrongway
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Off topic.
Explain to me,RE: Naval guns, caliber.
IE: 5"/38 caliber, 5"/54 caliber.
It is gun length, correct?
Why?
Thank you.
Back on topic, sort of:
What are the physical dimensions of the 75, 76, and 105mm gun/howitzer as mounted in essentially the same turret on the M4A3?
Barrel length, weight, ect.
wrongway
how do you mean 5" wide or 5" long, because if thats the question i was talking about guns with 5" width.
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Easy there mister, just makeing a point no need to get your panties in a knot
Anyways, no, i dont know what they sound, look or feel like when firing. I used to read some naval warfare books and anything under like 5" was used for AA and against small ships like frigates and destroyers.
but we are talking about tanks here. and for a tank 4 or 5 inches is a pretty big gun. for example the 88mm is only 3.46 inches, but when it hits the ground or a tank it creates a massive hit. not many tanks had the armor to survive such hit. look at ww2 movies and see the arty explosions when they hit the ground, those were not 100 inch shells.
here this will give you an idea of how really the arty/cannons shells were small but gave some massive punch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_artillery
semp
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Off topic.
Explain to me,RE: Naval guns, caliber.
IE: 5"/38 caliber, 5"/54 caliber.
It is gun length, correct?
Why?
Thank you.
Back on topic, sort of:
What are the physical dimensions of the 75, 76, and 105mm gun/howitzer as mounted in essentially the same turret on the M4A3?
Barrel length, weight, ect.
wrongway
i think your right wrongway, caliber refers to the inside diameter of the gun times the number equals the length of the barrel from the muzzle to the breech. for the 5/36 it would be 5 x 36 = 180 inches (15 feet).
the 75mm m3 was 40 calibers. 76mm m1 was 57 calibers. 76mm m1a1 and m1a1c were 52 calibers. 76mm m1a2 was 55 calibers. qf17 pounder was 55 calibers. 105mm m2a1 was 22 calibers.
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but we are talking about tanks here. and for a tank 4 or 5 inches is a pretty big gun. for example the 88mm is only 3.46 inches, but when it hits the ground or a tank it creates a massive hit. not many tanks had the armor to survive such hit. look at ww2 movies and see the arty explosions when they hit the ground, those were not 100 inch shells.
here this will give you an idea of how really the arty/cannons shells were small but gave some massive punch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_artillery
semp
well yea 4"-5" is big for a tank, not for a warship :lol
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well yea 4"-5" is big for a tank, not for a warship :lol
so we talking bout tanks here and you trying to make a point that those are too small for a cruiser.
semp
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so we talking bout tanks here and you trying to make a point that those are too small for a cruiser.
semp
ok lets forget what ive been saying and get back on topic about the 105mm not being that big. :)
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so we talking bout tanks here and you trying to make a point that those are too small for a cruiser.
semp
considering the 105mm equipped shermans were intended to be mobile infantry support assault guns, not anti-tank guns, it doesn't really matter. :neener:
they carried minimal ap and only used it to defend against enemy tanks if they had to. reload time was a bit slower than the 75/76mm guns.
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if were wishing for a SP Artillery platform
we should go with the 105 mm M7 Preist or the 25 pdr Sexton
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if were wishing for a SP Artillery platform
we should go with the 105 mm M7 Preist or the 25 pdr Sexton
id vote for sexton :D
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we have a "SPG" in game...
its called the LVT-A4. :banana:
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we have a "SPG" in game...
its called the LVT-A4. :banana:
yes, but its puny
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we have a "SPG" in game...
its called the LVT-A4. :banana:
People here are talking about SPG's like the elefant.
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It sure would be nice to see the M-7 priest 105mm self propelled gun or german wespe 105mm self propelled gun in the game
How Would we aim? Overhead view Like World Of Tanks?
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Enabling "land mode" on an LVT 4 would be a start.
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+1
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How Would we aim? Overhead view Like World Of Tanks?
no it wouldnt be hard to aim you just need a spotter near the tgt and he call in the rounds
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i think for aiming it would be better to have a similiar setup as the guns on the cv.moving would be like a vehicle.....they would have a longer range and could be used in direct fire assault and defence attacks
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Enabling "land mode" on an LVT 4 would be a start.
+1
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It would be too cool to have maybe a big cannon on rails. Give us a great reason to straff trains.
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It would be too cool to have maybe a big cannon on rails. Give us a great reason to straff trains.
500mm rail gun? :O
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I think that maybe a little too much,maybe more trains yes.this wish was for self propelled guns from the 88mm-155mm range. the 105mm sp,either allied or axis would be the one to have first.