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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: 49Jester on October 09, 2011, 06:47:39 PM
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Catalina, Sunderland, perhaps... we don't have any seaplanes, and it could be sort of a naval goon, troops,supplies, in the dumbed down version, but the possibillities are quite large of what could be done with it.
Maybe they could only be lifted from ports. Re-supply CV's :rolleyes: (arcadish i know).
But I think alot of folks would like to see it.
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A lot of people think they want to see it, but if they actually did would not use it.
It would take a lot of dev time and see as close to no use as possible. It would be a waste of dev effort when there are more useful things to do.
The only flying boat that would see much use in the MA is the H8K2 'Emily', and that one would take lots of dev time.
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I'd fly a PBY. If you could somehow score points off radar spotting/resupplying/etc I'd be flying it so often I would hit TBO once a week. Not everyone likes to light up machine guns and roll around a section of sky all day.
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I'd fly a PBY. If you could somehow score points off radar spotting/resupplying/etc I'd be flying it so often I would hit TBO once a week. Not everyone likes to light up machine guns and roll around a section of sky all day.
You'd fly a free kill at 180mph?
Also, it would not have an AWACS feature.
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PBY is a scout plane, that's the only thing it can really do. It's top speed is bellow 200mph. If it does get added I don't see anyone flying it, you can scout on a bomber that is faster and is capable of defending itself.
Adding PBY is not like adding any new plane. It would require new codes that would let it land on water. This requires just way too much work just to have one airplane that no one is going to fly.
Jester, you say you'd fly it and I'm sure you will. But how long do you see yourself flying a slow & defenseless plane? It will get boring sooner or later, and with this plane it won't take long.
Tell me, what would you rather do:
A. Take off on the PBY, find the enemy CV, and hopefully not get shot down because it would be very easy. Than go back to base, take a bomber and fly to the place where you saw the CV, because those two trips took you so long the CV would already be gone and you'd have to find it again. Then when you finally found it a second time you can finally destroy it. Or instead of going back to can report it's position on country channel and have someone else get all the credit for your work.
B. Take off on a bomber that is twice as fast and can actually defend itself, find the enemy CV and destroy it.
Don't know about you but I think I'd go with B.
P.S. You do realize that there is already a PBY thread on the first page of the wishlist forum, right? I know this helps me increase my post count because I can post my opinion twice, but in the future let's try to stick with one thread. :)
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You can always find a GV fight and spot/mark enemy tanks
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You'd fly a free kill at 180mph?
You're right. Lets get rid of the goon then. Nobody flies a free kill at 200mph
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You're right. Lets get rid of the goon then. Nobody flies a free kill at 200mph
:rofl How true... I even fly it offline :D
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You're right. Lets get rid of the goon then. Nobody flies a free kill at 200mph
goon goes faster than 200 and it has a purpose other than to just give a free kill.
semp
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goon goes faster than 200 and it has a purpose other than to just give a free kill.
semp
Heads-up everyone! New rule! In order for a plane to be eligible in Aces High, it now has to (in addition to squad strength and used in aggression):
Fly FASTER than 200MPH INDICATED
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It HAS to have a purpose OTHER than to just give a free kill.
Please FWD this memo to everyone in the wishlist! Thanks!
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Heads-up everyone! New rule! In order for a plane to be eligible in Aces High, it now has to (in addition to squad strength and used in aggression):
Fly FASTER than 200MPH INDICATED
AND
It HAS to have a purpose OTHER than to just give a free kill.
Please FWD this memo to everyone in the wishlist! Thanks!
One of the requirements for a plane or vehicle to be added to AH, I would think that whether or not it was a waste of development time might be a deciding factor. Unfortunately, the PBY would be a waste of development time as there is really no viable roll for it to perform in the game.
People keep projecting it in roles for AH that we don't even have in game like search and rescue or ASW and others project it in rolls without really understanding how the plane operated in real life such as thinking it will operate as some World War II version of a JSTAR aircraft.
I'm all in favor of adding a plane that used empty beer bottles as a regular ordnance package for night intruder missions but not to the point were asking for such a plane would waste the dev team's time and resources.
ack-ack
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As much as I would love to see the PBY in game (and I would), any time I look at the existing plane set I can't help but see more glaring holes than the omission of the PBY.
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One of the requirements for a plane or vehicle to be added to AH, I would think that whether or not it was a waste of development time might be a deciding factor. Unfortunately, the PBY would be a waste of development time as there is really no viable roll for it to perform in the game.
People keep projecting it in roles for AH that we don't even have in game like search and rescue or ASW and others project it in rolls without really understanding how the plane operated in real life such as thinking it will operate as some World War II version of a JSTAR aircraft.
I'm all in favor of adding a plane that used empty beer bottles as a regular ordnance package for night intruder missions but not to the point were asking for such a plane would waste the dev team's time and resources.
ack-ack
We go find the guy who asked for the B5N, and go burn him at the stake for wasting all those precious resources :mad:
And this "time and resources"- where do you guys get your figures? Are their time and resources limited? Can they only add X amount of planes a month? Could they not pay or hire another modeler? Just some thoughts. Instead of adding one thing and one thing only I think HTC should think about the community as a whole. We want to waste our time putting around in a non-defenseless plane, who is to say I'm not going to do that all day? Just sayin.
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We want to waste our time putting around in a non-defenseless plane, who is to say I'm not going to do that all day? Just sayin.
every ww2 plane in ah except the c-47 is non-defensless... :D
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Yes their time and resources are limited. There is only so many hours in a day and I would bet their resources (such as money) are not bottomless either.
The point about the PBY (or any flying boat) is that it would take more work, and therefore, more time to deliver a usable PBY in the game; mostly because of the way our current flight models interact with water. Weighing the larger work load that the PBY would require vs the smaller work load required by a plane that doesn't have the amphibian ability; and then throw in consideration for some very numerous and famous planes that aren't in AH yet (Ki-43, He111, etc) and you have several planes that just make more sense to include into the plane set before the PBY; regardless of what role the PBY will play once it is included.
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The B5N2 serves a purpose in AH. The C-47A serves a critical purpose. The D3A1 serves a purpose. The G4M1 serves a purpose. The B-25C serves a purpose. The Ju88A-4 serves a purpose. The SBD-5 serves a purpose. The TBM-3 serves a purpose.
The PBY-5 would not serve a purpose in AH. It has no significant scenario role and it has no MA role. Only one flying boat would be MA competitive, and that one is not American.
I am fine with it being added eventually, but it needs to be a low priority.
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As much as I would love to see the PBY in game (and I would), any time I look at the existing plane set I can't help but see more glaring holes than the omission of the PBY.
My feelings as well (and my Dad was a Lt Commander pilot of a PBY in Philippines) The thing goes 180 mph for like 16 hours.....things which can't be exploited in AH
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P = Patrol
B = Bomber
Y = Consolidated Aircraft Corp
(PBY)
now mind you depends which version of the PBY u refer to...because they are not all defenceless from what I've read only the earlier ones were defenceless PBY-1/PBY-3
PBY-4(is when it took on the name Catalina) and up had guns..
PBY-5A(Catalina)
width 104'
length 63.8'
height 20.18'
accommodation 9
hardpoints 2
empty weight 20,911lbs
max take off weight 35,422lbs
max speed 179mph
max range 2,545miles
rate of climb 526fpm(feet per minuet)
service ceiling 14,698ft
engines 2 Pratt&Whitney r-1830-92 14 cylinder twin wasp air cooled radial engines generating up to 1,200hp
armament
2x 7.62(possibly 50Cal's?)mm guns in bow turret
2x 7.62(possibly 50Cal's?)mm guns in fuselage blisters 1 in each side
1x 7.62mm gun in ventral tuneel section
(1 source says 50 Cal's one says 7.62 only variation I've found between sources)
bombload of up to 4,000lbs that includes 2x torpedoes,bombs,depth charges(they also work on surface ships) or anti ship mines(these are all very useable ords)
now from my general understanding if its got a bomb or a gun it can be put to use in any game situation heck people have even figured out uses for the pilot with a .45
such as hiding in map room and shooting troops or sneaking up on a rearming plane on a de aked Field or sneaking up on a manned gun or tank and shooting the pintel off/trying to track it or just making a base flash to annoy the ppl
it may not be the best aircraft or the fastest but it would be better rounded then allot of things we currently have(if it can up from ports that's a +)
B5N is a decent plane... great for killing cruisers/gvs...that's about it not very fast burst into flames from smallest round but still gets used
d3a1 less flammable and forward facing guns(just as slow) but not enough bombs to do much damage
g4m1 more or less a giant b5n with a 20mm on the tail and 500 more lbs of ords and about 80mph faster
sbd forward facing 50 Cal's decent tail gun fair ords rather slow...
tbm takes forever to climb great on ords tail falls off easily and tops out at 240mph
ki-67 chews threw fuel very flammable rather fast and 20mm on the tail(ever want to be a rocket ship?)
point is except for the ki-67(only seen like 4 ever) most of these planes get flown frequently they all have major exploits and issues but ppl don't seem to focus on them more so then just do what they can with the plane and go for the target and try to get the job done more or lees ppl will find a use for it and depending on the model added it can serve in all arenas
and yes +1 for a PBY-4+(as the OP did not state which version)
side note im not a expert nor do i claim to be right thats just what searching yeilded
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(http://mlkshk.com/r/1L8B)
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Eyeyeye :noid :rofl
This was wished for so many times, why would HiTech want to create this when nobody would use it?
PBYs are basicly pretty nice targets aswell.
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Heads-up everyone! New rule! In order for a plane to be eligible in Aces High, it now has to (in addition to squad strength and used in aggression):
Fly FASTER than 200MPH INDICATED
AND
It HAS to have a purpose OTHER than to just give a free kill.
Please FWD this memo to everyone in the wishlist! Thanks!
WE MUST take the D3A1 out and B5N out THEN YOUR RIGHT! NO ONE USES THEM
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WE MUST take the D3A1 out and B5N out THEN YOUR RIGHT! NO ONE USES THEM
Nobody uses them? Well, their torpedos are quicker than the ones that the U.S. has, I think we should keep it. However yes both planes do horribly.
By the way starting now, I'm going to end every sentence with "In Bed".
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:rofl
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:rofl
Why did you use that smiley, in bed? I think that was not the correct one to use, in bed. However, lets try to stick to the topic, in bed.
I'm sticking to what I said on my earlier post, in bed. So yeah, in bed.
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Thank you stabbyy, well put. And as far as noone would use it...I'm not too sure about that
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Recce planes in general don't seem to have much of a role in AH. Shame really.
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The B5N2 serves a purpose in AH. The C-47A serves a critical purpose. The D3A1 serves a purpose. The G4M1 serves a purpose. The B-25C serves a purpose. The Ju88A-4 serves a purpose. The SBD-5 serves a purpose. The TBM-3 serves a purpose.
The PBY-5 would not serve a purpose in AH. It has no significant scenario role and it has no MA role. Only one flying boat would be MA competitive, and that one is not American.
I am fine with it being added eventually, but it needs to be a low priority.
It would be useful in the AvA for Pacific setups which have fleet-attacking objectives.
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It would be useful in the AvA for Pacific setups which have fleet-attacking objectives.
sure people love flying in scenarios in a plane that can basically just fly around. I mean I would love to fly for 2 plus hours just to do, well nothing. i am pretty sure all the other airplanes are gonna be sitting in the ground waiting for the pby to find "something" at the lightspeed of zero.
semp
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sure people love flying in scenarios in a plane that can basically just fly around. I mean I would love to fly for 2 plus hours just to do, well nothing. i am pretty sure all the other airplanes are gonna be sitting in the ground waiting for the pby to find "something" at the lightspeed of zero.
semp
Especially when using a bomber like a B-24 or B-17 would be more effective and would also be accurate as B-24s and B-17s were used quite frequently as a patrol/scout plane in the South Pacific.
ack-ack
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So by my read on the situation, the only quasi-useful thing it could do in game that couldn't be fulfilled better by pretty much any other plane in the set is... torpedo duty?
I wonder if there's a stat for how many torpedos are used in the MA over a month?
I also wonder if it is a one digit, or two digit number?
Many, many other more useful aircraft could be added. If you want to scout at ~180 mph might I suggest upping a C47?
Wiley.
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f you want to scout at ~180 mph might I suggest upping a C47?
Wiley.
Make sure to throttle back though, or you'll be going too fast.
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On the topic of seaplanes why dont we add the OS2N-1 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_OS2U_Kingfisher ) it seems like itd be used more then the PBY as its faster and less of a free meal for fighter pilots :P
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Is there some psychological condition that I am unfamiliar with that is prevalent on these boards? What fun is there in upping an unarmed aircraft in a combat game?
What role can you fill with an unarmed float plane that you can't do in anything else, other than the joy of taking off and landing on water?
Wiley.
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Is there some psychological condition that I am unfamiliar with that is prevalent on these boards? What fun is there in upping an unarmed aircraft in a combat game?
What role can you fill with an unarmed float plane that you can't do in anything else, other than the joy of taking off and landing on water?
Wiley.
what float plane are you talking about?
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what float plane are you talking about?
could be my kingfisher i mentioned or the PBY in general :headscratch:
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what float plane are you talking about?
LOL... I've never seen a board where people were quicker to correct others on terminology than here. Ok, flying boat, floatplane, sea based aircraft... Whatever the generic term is.
I just don't understand the desire to have scout planes in game at all. If you want to scout, up something fast with a lot of fuel. It will work far better than a PBY or pretty much any scout plane used in the war. Plus if the enemy finds you, you can shoot back.
Wiley.
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LOL... I've never seen a board where people were quicker to correct others on terminology than here. Ok, flying boat, floatplane, sea based aircraft... Whatever the generic term is.
I just don't understand the desire to have scout planes in game at all. If you want to scout, up something fast with a lot of fuel. It will work far better than a PBY or pretty much any scout plane used in the war. Plus if the enemy finds you, you can shoot back.
Wiley.
touche wiley.... touche.. :lol
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LOL... I've never seen a board where people were quicker to correct others on terminology than here. Ok, flying boat, floatplane, sea based aircraft... Whatever the generic term is.
I just don't understand the desire to have scout planes in game at all. If you want to scout, up something fast with a lot of fuel. It will work far better than a PBY or pretty much any scout plane used in the war. Plus if the enemy finds you, you can shoot back.
Wiley.
i wasn't correcting the word you used...i was correcting the unarmed part... :neener: quit being a penguin
care to share with the rest of the class which flying boat, floatplane, sea based aircraft mentioned in this discussion was "unarmed"?
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Is there some psychological condition that I am unfamiliar with that is prevalent on these boards? What fun is there in upping an unarmed aircraft in a combat game?
What role can you fill with an unarmed float plane that you can't do in anything else, other than the joy of taking off and landing on water?
Wiley.
OH just remembered a fun, unarmed plane you could up: RV8 offline only though :frown:
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i wasn't correcting the word you used...i was correcting the unarmed part... :neener: quit being a penguin
care to share with the rest of the class which flying boat, floatplane, sea based aircraft mentioned in this discussion was "unarmed"?
I was looking at the Kingfisher. 2x7.62 dorsal mounted is 'armed' in the same way a person with a CCW is 'armed' if they're carrying an airsoft pistol.
Wiley.
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I was looking at the Kingfisher. 2x7.62 dorsal mounted is 'armed' in the same way a person with a CCW is 'armed' if they're carrying an airsoft pistol.
Wiley.
:lol now that you mention it, it does appear to be kind of useless, but every plane plays a part in this grand performance we call Aces High
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you know, maybe it might be time to add a Search and Rescue part of the game, maybe the pilot might have valuable intel and if he is rescued by friendlies it doesn't get out, if he is captured by the enemy , the enemy might gain some insight into plans or positions of carriers. just saying, also if you want a pby. why dont you just make one for this game, just saying
Hawk out.
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you know, maybe it might be time to add a Search and Rescue part of the game, maybe the pilot might have valuable intel and if he is rescued by friendlies it doesn't get out, if he is captured by the enemy , the enemy might gain some insight into plans or positions of carriers. just saying, also if you want a pby. why dont you just make one for this game, just saying
Hawk out.
was thinking of posting something funny regarding this. but I am not that talented. help here anybody?
semp
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vANYBODY: /.p vSOMEBODYELSE, I went knit before logging off yesterday, the CV is in sector x,x,x
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