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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: StokesAk on October 11, 2011, 08:32:10 PM
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I've been flying this jewel lately and I have a couple of questions on it.
Did it have any variations with a 30mm replacing the 20mm?
Is there a major performance hit with gondolas?
What is the difference between the model we have in game and the A/S versions?
Sorry if this is a little blunt, but I am just in search of some answers.
:salute
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I've been flying this jewel lately and I have a couple of questions on it.
Did it have any variations with a 30mm replacing the 20mm?
Is there a major performance hit with gondolas?
What is the difference between the model we have in game and the A/S versions?
Sorry if this is a little blunt, but I am just in search of some answers.
:salute
A/S was the high alt version. Much more power and great at high alt.
Very big hit with gondies, do NOT even think about it.
Yes it had a 30mm option, the G-6/U-4. We used to have that option in game but it was removed some time ago.
In conclusion, its a piece of crap. Fly the G-2 :devil
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I really hope to see the G-6 with the 30mm option again. I bet that would breathe new life in to the G-6 version. :D
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A/S was the high alt version. Much more power and great at high alt.
Very big hit with gondies, do NOT even think about it.
Yes it had a 30mm option, the G-6/U-4. We used to have that option in game but it was removed some time ago.
In conclusion, its a piece of crap. Fly the G-2 :devil
I see how it is much worse than the G-2, but I have had great success it flies like a spitfire for me. I guess I might be to used to the sluggish controls of the P38 though.
It's a breath of fresh air!
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I've been having a lot of fun with the G6 lately as well, right now I think I actually prefer it to the G2. I like the handling on the G6 but it could just be a comfort factor, I have less stick time with the G2.
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The G-5 is the same as the G-6 only with a pressureized cockpit. Both used the same engines and the GM-1 boosting system. There are subtle visual differances, moisture absorbing discs in the canopy, and larger bulge on the right side of the cowling.
The 30mm could be used as a hub cannon. Also for a short time there were 30mm gondolas. Gondolas in both caliburs effected the aircraft by increasing weight, reducing speed, acceleration, and roll rate.
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If you like the G-6, please join us for the upcoming scenario, Enemy Coast Ahead.
1943 Channel Front, LW vs. RAF, 109's, 190's, and ju 88's vs. Spits, Typhoons, Mossies, and B-25's.
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Did it have any variations with a 30mm replacing the 20mm?
Is there a major performance hit with gondolas?
What is the difference between the model we have in game and the A/S versions?
Perdweeb basically covered it.
What i can add:
- the gondolas cost you about 500pounds overweight, zirka 10% loss in the turn rate and radius, 600feet/min loss in the climb rate and remove about 10-12mph from your (already poor) top speed.
- equipped with the DB605A engine the g6 does 336mph on the deck and tops out at 21k, 393mph. The AS engine had a different gearing on the supercharger, did like 326mph at sea level and 405ish at 27k.
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I really hope to see the G-6 with the 30mm option again. I bet that would breathe new life in to the G-6 version. :D
It would be cool, but I don't think that engine would deal with a 30mm to well
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It would be cool, but I don't think that engine would deal with a 30mm to well
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If you like the G-6, please join us for the upcoming scenario, Enemy Coast Ahead.
1943 Channel Front, LW vs. RAF, 109's, 190's, and ju 88's vs. Spits, Typhoons, Mossies, and B-25's.
Exactly what I am planning to do!
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I think he is saying the 30mm is a larger gun so therefore it would need more room in the engine hub for it t be mounted properly.
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Exactly what I am planning to do!
I think he is saying the 30mm is a larger gun so therefore it would need more room in the engine hub for it t be mounted properly.
I think the gun just extends back further into the cockpit. I have seen a picture of it somewhere.
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I think the gun just extends back further into the cockpit. I have seen a picture of it somewhere.
Shorter barrel for the 30mm Mk108. I'll post some pictures when I get home from work.
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The DB 605AS has the bigger blower from the DB 603 so it was able to provide more power at higher altitudes. However, the large blower reduced power slightly at low altitude (it required more HP to drive it) and increased the size of the cowl-humps, so performance at low altitude was reduced.
(http://www.hyperscale.com/images/bf109g6as48ki_1.jpg)
Yes there were late-model G-6's armed with the 30 mm MK 108, but our G-6 is an early model. The late-model G-6's are represented in-game by the G-14 with the Erla-hood canopy, MW-50 injection and MK 108 engine-cannon. The G-14 is essentially a standardization of the numerous late-model G-6 variants.
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I think he is saying the 30mm is a larger gun so therefore it would need more room in the engine hub for it t be mounted properly.
I dont get it.
Joachim, do you know whats the difference between the in game g6 and g14? Just saying: not so much.
-Erla Haube
-MW50
-longered tail (not sure if we have it in game)
-improved radio equipment (also minnimal effect in game)
Since they both use the same DB605A engine, i dont see any reason why the tater couldnt fit in the g6 (not to mention it had it in real life). Several g6s were retrofitted with the new equipment.
Predator got it. Just sounds strange whe we get the 1943 g6 in the 1944 events...
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IIRC,all G model 109's had a 55mm blast tube running through the cylinder block. This would accommodate several different weapon sizes.
:salute
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(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff252/DropkickYankees/109mg151.png)
109G with the 20mm MG151/20 cannon.
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff252/DropkickYankees/109mk108.png)
109G with the 30mm Mk108 cannon.
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no, I think he may have thought that it weighed more and would make it more nose heavy and more sluggish. . . which is not entirely true.
As I see it, the G14 is already a tricky plane at the first merge because you never know if it has the 20mm or the 30mm. If the G6 went this way, then it will make its a gamble at the merge for the G6 too.
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As I see it, the G14 is already a tricky plane at the first merge because you never know if it has the 20mm or the 30mm. If the G6 went this way, then it will make its a gamble at the merge for the G6 too.
only if you merge includes a ho. If you merge such that they never get a shot, who cares what they have....
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only if you merge includes a ho. If you merge such that they never get a shot, who cares what they have....
Given your aim, I hope whichever has the least ammunition capactiy.
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Given your aim, I hope whichever has the least ammunition capactiy.
lol, its not that bad... :uhoh (Kills Hit Percentage:7.45 (tour 141)) ok... its been much better(Kills Hit Percentage:13.27, tour 137).
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only if you merge includes a ho. If you merge such that they never get a shot, who cares what they have....
no, a 30mm merge will try to get a crossing shot so the merge will look a little different - the 20mm is more going to try to saddle you. At least for me, I fly them very differently, and as I was told not too long ago by some wise more extertin 109 pilots, I have come to prefer the 30mm a lot more, and last night in the G2 I had a terrible time. i mean god awful terrible time. Gonna need to brush up again for this scenario. :bhead
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20mm is far better for hitting moving targets at any angle. I've landed 8 and 9 kill streaks in the 109G-6 with 20mm.
The Mk108 30mm was really a rather late development. It took a while to perfect and it took a while to start adding into airframes. So while, yes, the "109G-6" had Mk108s... the issue is that not all 109G-6s were the same. This aircraft had many configurations and different performance envelopes throughout its life. The Mk108 came out let's say beginning of 1944 (rough time when it was starting to make itself known). The numbers present during 1943 were miniscule. We have a 1943 airframe along with 1943 performance, weight, and weapons loads.
I prefer no 30mm on the G6. You want 30mm on the G-6, then fly the G-14.
A G-14 was simply a new name for later G-6s when they started saying "Wait, there's too many variations, the G-6 term means nothing now, we need to rethink what we call these things" and you get the G-10 standardization attemp and you get the G-14 (basically a late G-6 with 30mm but also has MW50).
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Krustyyyyyyyy
you really wanna start it again? I have pix landing 15+ kills in the g6, with one cannon (true, had to rearm. Couldnt get over 10 with one takeoff). Does it means its that good?
In a many vs many, the 20mm SUKKS. You have to spend some time in the enemy's six since one snapshot is unlikely to finish him, unless thats a one ping headshot. You cant turn well so thats not easy. Plus it slows you donw, making you vulnerable to the picks. Thats why the tater rulez.
Leave your odd reasons at home. It did exist, bring it on. Posibly it wont inbalance the already super-strong luft aircraft lineup : )
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That's it right there - its one hit one kill + massive satisfaction. Its good that I started in AH2 flying the Yak9 only (with LA7s on the off) because I am very very conservative with pulling the trigger. In the k4, I tend to run out of fuel before I run out of bullets and average 5 rounds per kill. That's nothing special for sure, but I am happy with it. With the 20mm I keep hammering and hammering away, and i feel like its closer to 20 - 50 bullets per kill unless i get some lucky wing or pilot hit. . . and I am tempted to actually try to put bullets down range at more neutral angles and less deflection - which is harder to hit when you are being conservative.
anyway, the G14 is the bird for those who want a G6 with a 30mm and feel that the K4 is not their thing. I just don't really ever see a reason to choose a G14 over a K4.
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Krustyyyyyyyy
you really wanna start it again? I have pix landing 15+ kills in the g6, with one cannon (true, had to rearm. Couldnt get over 10 with one takeoff). Does it means its that good?
In a many vs many, the 20mm SUKKS. You have to spend some time in the enemy's six since one snapshot is unlikely to finish him, unless thats a one ping headshot. You cant turn well so thats not easy. Plus it slows you donw, making you vulnerable to the picks. Thats why the tater rulez.
Leave your odd reasons at home. It did exist, bring it on. Posibly it wont inbalance the already super-strong luft aircraft lineup : )
debrody, as much as i don't agree with krusty sometimes, just going by historical correctness he's right. the mk108 only existed as a standard on the 109g6/u4 in the summer of 1944 after other production modifications to the aircraft (including the engine) had already been implemented, which don't exist on the ah 109g6.
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The first modernized g-6 arrived to hungary in the 26th of april. That plane would be closer to the g14 in game: it had the mw50 too, not only the tater. No longered vertical stab tho. Not sure if the in-game g14 has it anyway.
What i wanted to say, Hungary was behind gods back then (and now too), the upgrades arrived with a pretty large delay.
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In a many vs many you don't change the simple fact that you can hit targets faster, with less target acquisition, and you can get more done with a single nose 20mm.
You don't have to kill in a single ping. With 30mm you're wasting a higher percentage of rounds for every one that hits. With 20mm you can hit up to half your rounds in a short burst. You don't HAVE to kill the guy, just scare him, disable him, smoke his oil, etc.
Many vs many, or 1 v 1, it doesn't change the effectiveness of the gun. It simply requires better piloting skills.
As for the Mk108, do some checking up on the overall Bf109G-6 history. Keep in mind our airframe is a mid 1943 airframe. Also you mention your nation getting G-6s with MW50. That makes them equivelant to G-14s (any G-6 with MW50 is basically a G-14). MW50 kits were pretty rare and scarce in early 1944. It wasnt until the second half of the year they started making common appearances, hence K-4s, G-10s, G-14s, Fw190Ds (early models of which didn't have MW50 because it was in such high demand!) and so forth all appearing in large numbers in the second half of the year. You may have records showing you got some MW50 kits, but for the most part it wasn't common place, nor was the Mk108. Maybe for once your country got the equipment it needed and somebody in the requisitions bureau did the right thing? (hey, it's possible!)
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I've been having a lot of fun with the G6 lately as well, right now I think I actually prefer it to the G2. I like the handling on the G6 but it could just be a comfort factor, I have less stick time with the G2.
I learned how to fly 109s with G2, so it is engraved in my DNA. G-6 I always avoided because it doesnt handle like other 109s therefore is not the best choice to learn 109s on.
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The first modernized g-6 arrived to hungary in the 26th of april. That plane would be closer to the g14 in game: it had the mw50 too, not only the tater. No longered vertical stab tho. Not sure if the in-game g14 has it anyway.
What i wanted to say, Hungary was behind gods back then (and now too), the upgrades arrived with a pretty large delay.
according to what i've found (a lot of bad information), supposedly the first 50-60 109g models received was in early 1944, but they were not the /u4 models. they were standard 109g6s built a few months prior to deliver. hungary was given permission to build 109gs under license in 2 factories (march 1944) at which time they proceeded to produce 109s (7-800 total 109g6 thru 109g14). they were slightly behind the luftwaffe squadrons in factory production line modifications and the g6/u4 started rolling off their production line sometime in late 1944 (on source claims winter another claims late summer).
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Difference with 30mm , is when you try for buffs HO, managed 3 HO kills within 20 seconds in a scenario lately in a G14 ( no gondolas)
Agree with Krusty on that 20mm is better vs fighters.