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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: lyric1 on October 15, 2011, 09:51:24 PM
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I noticed with the recent updates certain aircraft have added several model variants. For example A6M,P40 of late how ever the IL-2 was updated & no other models were added. :(
So I propose we add the single seat IL-2.
Why? :headscratch:
Well it qualifies for early war :cheers: can't get enough variation in that arena & also for early war scenarios instead of the two seat version.
The variation of ordnance & guns that were used are just about equal & in some instances superior to the 2 seat version depending on time frame. As an example the ability to carry 16 rockets & also rear facing rockets just to name a few.
The best part is the rear view the early versions had very little armour on the canopy so the pilot has a much better rear view than it's two seated sister. A nice feature since the removal of F3 mode. The rear gun on that was about useless any way would rather have a window with a view my self :aok
While on the two seat version the inclusion of a torpedo to the ord load out would be nice. I can't find a lot of information on the unit that used the IL-2T that had the torpedo I am still looking. Some of the bomb loads could be more varied & might be worth adding upon our current aircraft.
May as well go for broke & throw in the IL-10 better handling aircraft had some unusual ord packages such as air grenades.
If nothing else I think the single seat IL-2 would be the aircraft to add of this model. Better views from the cockpit since no more F3 mode lots of rockets fills in the early war set & scenarios.
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It will be hard to find info of Russia AC in the war. +1
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
You know, there are more German aircraft that British aircraft. Somehow you neglect to mention that.
Your bias is showing.
The fact is that the air war between the USAAF/RAF vs the Luftwaffe is both more famous in Aces High's primary markets and the data for American, British and German aircraft is easier to obtain.
Despite that, the last two years has see more Japanese aircraft added than British or German aircraft. The recent focus has been on ground vehicles and has been dominated by American and German units.
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See Rule #4
Maybe you should move to Germany, learn to speak Deutche, and play a flight sim with a heavy Luftwaffe bias instead.
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Think he's waiting for the great WW2 Italian sim instead Joe :lol
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it is true tho.... what alpini said
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it is true tho.... what alpini said
As demonstrated, no it isn't.
It is perhaps true if you add "German" into the claim, but his bias doesn't allow him to do that.
The reason is, as stated, likely significantly based on the difficulty of getting data for Russian, Japanese and Italian aircraft. I remember back in AH1 Pyro asking for interior photos of the gunner positions for the Tu-2 because they couldn't find any. I guessed at the time that they were not able to get any, hence no Tu-2.
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Some reading literature. :D
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See Rule #4
Ignorance is bliss.
US, UK, DE, and JP all have aircraft with 3+ variants of the same aircraft. Yes, the US is very well represented but that doesn't mean that HTC over-looks the other nations. Seriously, stop and think about that kind of stuff before you post.
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how many people scrolled through that entire document only to look at the pictures and captions?
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how many people scrolled through that entire document only to look at the pictures and captions?
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Read it all. Just not what I posted on line. :D
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+1
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How to fly It.
http://www.allworldwars.com/videos/IL-2%20Pilot%20Manual/How-to-fly-IL-2-Sturmovik-1943.html
http://www.allworldwars.com/IL-2-Illustrated-Flight-Manual.html
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Interesting the IL-2 had mechanical indicators on the wings like the Spitfires to let you know if the landing gear was up or down.
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Interesting the IL-2 had mechanical indicators on the wings like the Spitfires to let you know if the landing gear was up or down.
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The A6M-2 also had mechanical indicators although they dont have them in the game. I have had experience around an original A6M-2 that was at a Transportation museum that I volunteer at. The original sakie engines are almost impossible to find parts for. This had a P&W 1830. Beautiful plane though...
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how many people scrolled through that entire document only to look at the pictures and captions?
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Raises hand. :rock
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Maybe they could add the single seat IL2 and the two seat hurricane.
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and the two seat hurricane.
Wasn't it a trainer?
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lol it's funny all the time i've been in this game and i've never noticed that our il-2 was a 2 seater--lol never paid attenion to the rear gun---blind as a bat i guess..
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i dont know if that 30cal in the back would help a lot neat idea though
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Wasn't it a trainer?
I guess not.
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Some IL-10 photos.
http://walkarounds.scalemodels.ru/v/walkarounds/avia/before_1950/il-10/?g2_page=1
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Some reading literature. :D
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Looks like they had a bit of a weak tail section, those two factory checkride wrecks seem to be missing theirs, and one even has, most oddly, its propeller bent in a manner that suggests it struck the ground traveling at a healthy backwards speed...
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scratch, was going to post some technical info on IL-2 varients, but the russian books are killin me
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+1 for adding variants to the IL-2 and for adding the IL-10. :salute
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Plus (and I know I have said it elsewhere) the PTAB
below is a short video clip of the effect of a single IL2 PTAB salvo
http://www.youtu.be/watch?v=H_huv58MGYE&feature=related (http://www.youtu.be/watch?v=H_huv58MGYE&feature=related)
and this longer clip offers an interseting perspective on what made the IL2 an effective attack ac
http://www.youtu.be/watch?v=Yr7C3YawF5k (http://www.youtu.be/watch?v=Yr7C3YawF5k)
The Il-2 was capable of carrying 280 2.5 kg bombs immediately on the bomb-bay folds, or 4x48 in four cassettes.
The PTAB 2.5 was capable of penetrating 60 to 70 millimeter tank armor, sufficient at the time even for the top-armor of heavy tanks.
here are a bunch being deployed from a Yak 9B
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The design has not changed much over the last 70years Russians were still using them in Afghanistan in an anti personnel role.
(http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/military_photos/ordinance-ammo/103603d1273406013-one-two-more-russian-ptab-bomblet..jpg)
The antitank bomb PTAB 2.5-1.5
Despite some successes in gun armament, the main tool in the fight against the German tanks, beginning in 1943, became an anti-bomb cumulative effect of weighing 1.5 kg in size facing the Air Force spacecraft bombs weighing 2.5 kg: PTAB-2, 5 -1.5. The new bomb was developed in the CDB-22 under the guidance of IA Larionov.
The action of the new bomb was as follows. Upon impact, the armor of the tank breakdowns fuze, which, through tetrilovuyu detonatornuyu piece caused the detonation of an explosive charge. The detonation of the charge, thanks to the cumulative funnel and a metal cone in it, was built jet stream, which, as shown by field tests, break armor thickness and 60 mm at an angle of 30 degrees with a meeting followed by destructive influence of armor: the defeat of the tank crew, the initiation of detonation of munitions and ignition of fuel or vapors.
The minimum height that provides alignment to bomb a meeting with the surface of the armor of the tank and reliability of its operation, was 70 m.
In charging the bombing of the IL-2 consisted of up to 192 bombs PTAB-2 ,5-1, 5, 4 cassettes small bombs (for 48 pieces each) or up to 220 pieces in their rational distribution of bulk in the 4-bom-bootsekah .
By dropping PTAB with a height of 200 m in horizontal flight when the flight speed 340-360 km / h one bomb fell into an area equal to the average 15 square meters, with, depending on the bomb load, the total area occupied by the strip breaks 15x (190 -210) m, which provided almost guaranteed defeat being in this band of any tank Wehrmacht. The fact that the area occupied by a tank, was of the order of 20-22 m, and hit at least one bomb in the tank was quite sufficient to remove him out of action, in most cases irreversibly.
Thus, the PTAB was a pretty formidable weapon at the time. By the way, the chief designer of CKB-22 IA . Larionov for the creation of PTAB-2 ,5-1, 5, and fuse it to the BP-A in January 1944 he was awarded the Order of Lenin, and in 1946 was awarded the USSR State Prize.
On the first day of the battle of Kursk, July 5, 1943, the Red Army Air Force first used the anti-bomb cumulative effect of PTAB-2 ,5-1, 5. The first bomb tested the new pilots of the 2nd Guards and 299th assault air divisions of the 16th VA, acting against the German tanks at the site of Art. Here the enemy tanks and motorized infantry held during the day to 10 attacks.
Mass application PTAB had stunning effect tactical surprise and had a strong moral influence on the enemy. German tank crews, however, as the Soviets, for the third year of the war have become accustomed to the relatively low efficiency bomboshturmovyh air strikes. Therefore, the first battle the Germans did not apply pre-combat scattered marching orders and then have to route traffic in convoys in areas of concentration and the initial positions, for which he was severely punished - the band dispersion PTAB 3.2 overlaps the tank, a remote from each other by 60-75 m, resulting in heavy losses suffered last, even in the absence of massive use of IL-2.
So, the pilots only one 291st Shad Colonel AN Витрука 2-й ВА, Vitruk 2nd VA, using the bombs, destroyed and put out of commission for 5 July to 30 German tanks.
Pilot-attack aircraft of the 3rd and 9th of mixed air corps of the 17th VA by the end of July 6 reported the destruction of or damage to the PTAB to 90 armored vehicles on the battlefield and in the vicinity of crossings r.Severny Donets.
On July 7 Oboyan towards IL-2 1 Shack 2 nd VA, supporting the 3rd Mechanized Corps of the 1st Panzer Army, from 4:40 to 6:40 am the two groups of 46 and 33 aircraft with the support of 66 fighters made a concentrated accumulation of blows to the enemy tanks to their original positions in the Syrtsevo-Yakovlevo concentrated for the attack in the direction of the Red Dubrava (300-350 tanks), and Large beacons (100 tanks).
Beat 1st Shack and proactive 3rd Mechanized Corps were unsuccessful: the Germans could not break through the second line of defense in the middle of the 1st TA. Deciphering photographs of the battlefield at 13:15 showed the presence of more than 200 shot down by German tanks and assault guns.
According to German data which has undergone during the day several massive strikes bomboshturmovym storm troopers of the 2nd Air Army 3rd SS Panzer Division "Totenkopf" in the Big Beacons lost a total of 270 tanks, armored personnel carriers and ACS. Density covering the bombs was that was recorded over 2000 (!) Direct hits PTAB-2 ,5-1, 5.
After recovering from the shock of the German tank crews after a few days after the start of the battle shifted exclusively to the march dispersed and pre-combat orders. Naturally, it is very difficult management armored units and departments, has increased the timing of their deployment, redeployment and concentration, complicated interactions between them. The effectiveness of IL-2 strikes with PTAB declined by about 4-4.5 times, remaining, however, an average of 2-3 times higher than when using high-explosive and high-explosive bombs.
Appologies and Kudos to Google translater.
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Plus (and I know I have said it elsewhere) the PTAB
below is a short video clip of the effect of a single IL2 PTAB salvo
http://www.youtu.be/watch?v=H_huv58MGYE&feature=related (http://www.youtu.be/watch?v=H_huv58MGYE&feature=related)
here are a bunch being deployed from a Yak 9B
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTM0yc7-w5ugC5GDMcTak1Am72j1WDynFMrczM37uf32dhz__UDaw)
The design has not changed much over the last 70years Russians were still using them in Afghanistan in an anti personnel role.
(http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/military_photos/ordinance-ammo/103603d1273406013-one-two-more-russian-ptab-bomblet..jpg)
SWEETT!!!! We can still bomb**** some GVs and get UBER perks for it at the same time :x
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Interesting the IL-2 had mechanical indicators on the wings like the Spitfires to let you know if the landing gear was up or down.
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Some habits die hard, the Mig-15 had barber pole indicators for the gear poking out of the top of the wing too :D
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It's like seeing the A10's grandpappy... beautiful plane.
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Interesting the IL-2 had mechanical indicators on the wings like the Spitfires to let you know if the landing gear was up or down.
As did the la5 & la7
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The A6M-2 also had mechanical indicators although they dont have them in the game. I have had experience around an original A6M-2 that was at a Transportation museum that I volunteer at. The original sakie engines are almost impossible to find parts for. This had a P&W 1830. Beautiful plane though...
Owl's Head X-portation Museum?
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normaly i would agree, but i like to see different varients of pre-exsisting aircraft when the differences in the versions are very drastic. :airplane:
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normaly i would agree, but i like to see different varients of pre-exsisting aircraft when the differences in the versions are very drastic. :airplane:
1 seat V's 2 seat not drastic enough for you?
Different engines,different ord packages depending on time frame.
Early war arena compatible,better rear views due to no armour,or light armour depending on time frame.
IL-10 is a huge change than our current IL-2.
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1 seat V's 2 seat not drastic enough for you?
Different engines,different ord packages depending on time frame.
Early war arena compatible,better rear views due to no armour,or light armour depending on time frame.
IL-10 is a huge change than our current IL-2.
+1 Well researched and interesting~ I feel your pain, want a D-15 through D-23 Jug, should be easy as pie to do. Doesn't' require major alteration of the existing model, but it seems like it is more likely we will end up with a Piper L-4 before either of us get gratified lol.
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+1 Well researched and interesting~ I feel your pain, want a D-15 through D-23 Jug, should be easy as pie to do. Doesn't' require major alteration of the existing model, but it seems like it is more likely we will end up with a Piper L-4 before either of us get gratified lol.
Check out this crazy story about an L-4 pilot taking out tanks with 6 bazookas strapped to the struts~
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Carpenter_(Lt._Col.)
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Some IL-10 Russian documents.
http://walkarounds.scalemodels.ru/v/manuals/Il-10M_TO/
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hell I would pay perks for the IL10
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Check out this crazy story about an L-4 pilot taking out tanks with 6 bazookas strapped to the struts~
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Carpenter_(Lt._Col.)
Wow. Awesome.... that was one hell'of a man. :salute
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Wow. Awesome.... that was one hell'of a man. :salute
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I think the Lt. Colonel unlocked this achievement on his Xbox automatically.
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I think the Lt. Colonel unlocked this achievement on his Xbox automatically.
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a such important airplane with so many versions could indeed have a couple more versions in AH... :salute
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Tired of bomb tarding GV's in early war with a Boston.
Early war IL-2 please so I can shoot them instead. :aok
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and you bumped a year old thread for that?
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Bump
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and you bumped a year old thread for that?
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No I bumped a 4 month old thread from it's last post.
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A couple more variants would be awesome for sure. Don't underestimate the 23mm AP.
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A couple more variants would be awesome for sure. Don't underestimate the 23mm AP.
37mm cannon is available on single seat IL-2 only one aircraft was fitted with these 37mm's it was in combat service tests November/December 1941.
Then is squadron strength in December 1942 & combat in Jan of 1943.
Not sure though what the time frame is in early war AHII?
Most likely a mid war option with the 37mm.
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Some more video with some good IL-10 colour film towards the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0W_QBW_yCY
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Single seat IL-2 restoration.
http://sashapak.livejournal.com/48056.html#cutid1
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37mm cannon is available on single seat IL-2 only one aircraft was fitted with these 37mm's it was in combat service tests November/December 1941.
Then is squadron strength in December 1942 & combat in Jan of 1943.
Not sure though what the time frame is in early war AHII?
Most likely a mid war option with the 37mm.
I doubt a single example armed with 37mm cannons will get the 37mm cannons as an option should the single seat be added. I'd bet that only the 23mm guns are there.
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I doubt a single example armed with 37mm cannons will get the 37mm cannons as an option should the single seat be added. I'd bet that only the 23mm guns are there.
From what I have on paper no early IL-2 had 37mms, 23mm's were more then enough to destroy German Panzers.
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From what I have on paper no early IL-2 had 37mms, 23mm's were more then enough to destroy German Panzers.
Early war should be Panzer IIIs anyway.
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Early war should be Panzer IIIs anyway.
well Panzer IIIG's and Panzer IVF's, 23mm had no problem tearing them apart.
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From what I have on paper no early IL-2 had 37mms,
Then you don't have the right paper.
Read all of the 1ST page of this thread.
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Sounds like they were rather clumsier mountings than the NS-37.
And when is the cutoff for EW? Your source says they didn't see squadron-level use untill December 1942.
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Sounds like they were rather clumsier mountings than the NS-37.
And when is the cutoff for EW? Your source says they didn't see squadron-level use untill December 1942.
Don't know when is the cut off.
I did say most likely mid war though later in this thread.
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If it would be a midwar thing, then I say we forget about the 37mm, make an EW IL-2, and forget about hybrid models.
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If it would be a midwar thing, then I say we forget about the 37mm, make an EW IL-2, and forget about hybrid models.
You could make it a perk for ord ride if that ever happens?
I do see your point though. :aok
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Just saying, look what happens when we try and make hybrid aircraft that work for multiple time frames.
We end up with an up-armored late model A8, but without the increased engine preformance so we can still have a mid-model's preformance.
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how many people scrolled through that entire document only to look at the pictures and captions?
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Read the whole thing. Interesting about the 37 mm cannons.
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The A6M-2 also had mechanical indicators although they dont have them in the game. I have had experience around an original A6M-2 that was at a Transportation museum that I volunteer at. The original sakie engines are almost impossible to find parts for. This had a P&W 1830. Beautiful plane though...
I'm sure with today's tech and machineing methods you could make the parts like some restorers do.
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a such important airplane with so many versions could indeed have a couple more versions in AH... :salute
I agree, the JU-87G and a few others have different versions added in here so few Russian though. Alas, there are some in here that will continue to resist.
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And I'm saying theres more urgent things than an Il-2 for EW.
Does that mean we should neglect the Russians? No. Does that mean we should put them on top of the priority list, just because they have the 3rd fewest aircraft in the game? No.
Right now, we don't have the maps for an EW East Front scenario really, so we don't run them very often.
We can make a late MW and a LW scenario work, so we do those.
But because we're missing major aircraft for other fronts of the same time period, where we DO run scenarios and special events, those should take priority.
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I'm sure with today's tech and machineing methods you could make the parts like some restorers do.
I could all be local manufactured, but paying a journeyman machinist's hours for making suitable parts from scratch? $$$$$ Ouch! No doubt they would be better than the original because of improve metals & refining. :old:
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I could go for a ton of russian planes and variants
Or at least an update of my poor Yak's D:
Though i will say we need some early war german bombers He111 or maybe an update for the Ju88 would be nice ^-^
The Japanese could use more planes but im not a HUGE fan but my opinion is just one of a million which i respect everyone else's (unless your ignorant as heck)
Lets get those early war italian bombers up in here XD
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IMO for aircraft:
He-111 H6, and H11
Ki-43
Yak-1 and Yak-7B
IAR.80/81
Ju-188 or Do 217