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Title: Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse
Post by: alpini13 on October 18, 2011, 09:49:04 AM
    please add this aircraft , Me-410

Specifications (Me 410 A-1)General characteristics

Crew: 2 (pilot and gunner)
Length: 12.56 m (41.2 ft)
Wingspan: 16.34 m (53.6 ft 7 in)
Height: 3.7 m (12,14 ft)
Wing area: 36.20 m² (390 ft²)
Empty weight: 6,627 kg (14,597 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 11,244 kg (24,766 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Daimler-Benz DB 603A liquid-cooled V12 engine, 1,750 PS (1,726 hp, 1,287 kW) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 624 km/h (388 mph)
Range: 2,300 km (1,400 mi) combat
Service ceiling: 10,000 m (32,800 ft)
Armament


Guns:

2 × 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 17 machine guns with 1,000 rpg, firing forward
2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons with 350 rpg, firing forward
2 × 13 mm (.51 in) MG 131 machine guns with 500 rpg, each firing rearward from FDSL 131/1B remote-operated turret, one per side
Bombs: up to 1,000 kg (2,204 lb) of disposable stores[5]
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse
Post by: bangsbox on October 18, 2011, 07:11:27 PM
what about 50mm cannon.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse
Post by: StokesAk on October 18, 2011, 07:19:25 PM
what about 50mm cannon.

Must not have been on the wikipedia page.

copypasta ftw!
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse
Post by: Guppy35 on October 18, 2011, 07:40:30 PM
Not much chance you'd try search is there?   Moot, in particular, has posted some good stuff on the 410

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,257559.0.html
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse
Post by: guncrasher on October 18, 2011, 07:47:14 PM
See Rule #2
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse
Post by: Tank-Ace on October 18, 2011, 09:04:52 PM
Well hell, at least he actually posted some specifications (and Wikipedia was reasonably accurate for the ME-410 last I looked). It could have been one of those annoying "GIVE ME THIS PLANE BECAUSE IT WAS TEH UBEREZT!!!!!  :rock :rock :rock" threads
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse
Post by: titanic3 on October 18, 2011, 09:13:01 PM
Hmmm, I get to replace 110Gs/N1K1s in my missions with 110Gs/410s. Yum.  :banana:

Definately going to be a game changer. And I have no doubt the 410 is going to win as the most voted plane, or at least tie with the Ki43.


Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse
Post by: Rino on October 18, 2011, 09:19:05 PM
See Rule #2
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse
Post by: Tank-Ace on October 18, 2011, 09:22:40 PM
didn't see that, found this in the "unread posts" section.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse
Post by: Karnak on October 18, 2011, 09:39:12 PM
Hmmm, I get to replace 110Gs/N1K1s in my missions with 110Gs/410s. Yum.  :banana:

Definately going to be a game changer. And I have no doubt the 410 is going to win as the most voted plane, or at least tie with the Ki43.



You are aware that in all likelyhood the Me410 is even less capable of fighting air-to-air than the Bf110.  By removing the N1K2-Js you have removed the air-to-air capable fighter from your mission, right?
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse
Post by: titanic3 on October 18, 2011, 09:45:34 PM
Depends on the mission. If it's NOE, by the time the defenders realize we're there, the VH and field is already deacked.

If it is not NOE, then I simply replace it with something else. Usually level bombers and F4Us/P47s.
Not saying ALL my missions will be 110s/410s, and my missions aren't just 110s/N1K2s either.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse
Post by: Krusty on October 18, 2011, 09:54:58 PM
410 would most likely be MORE capable than the 110G, especially in attack mode. Since it's faster as well (not counting NOE) escorting 410s with 110s makes no sense. Good news is you can escort with more 410s! Much like mossies escorting mossies, or p51s escorting p51s.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse
Post by: titanic3 on October 18, 2011, 10:03:03 PM
410 carries less ammo and less total ordnance than the 110G. But hey, part of a good mission is fun factor and a sense of "Here comes the Calvary". A group of 110s seems pretty bland to me, I like to mix my mission up a bit.

I'll definately try Mossies escorting Mossies (bombers) next, put perk price as well as the bombers out running the fighters would pose a problem.  :lol
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse
Post by: Karnak on October 18, 2011, 10:10:04 PM
Much like mossies escorting mossies, or p51s escorting p51s.
Not sure about the P-51s escorting P-51s thing, but the Mossies escorting Mossies actually did happen in WWII.  That said, I think that the Mossie is likely to be substantially superior as a fighter in AH.  The Me410 will have a lot more destruction capability for ground targets though.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse
Post by: Krusty on October 18, 2011, 11:26:58 PM
Sure, I wasn't trying to say historically... 'Twas in context of AH use.
Title: Re: Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse
Post by: Krusty on October 18, 2011, 11:33:17 PM
410 carries less ammo and less total ordnance than the 110G.

Er... not so much.

The 20mm pair are almost the same loadout... While the 110G has a stock 2x30mm pair, the 410 can carry far superior Mk103 30mm with 150 rpg. Or it can carry 2x 20mm internally in the bomb bay, plus 2 externally, 200 rpg, for a total of 800 more 20mm rounds on top of the 700 internal. Or it can carry 4x 20mm internally (no drag) with 200 rpg, also 800 rds.

Or... just 21 rounds of 50mm.

The 410 can carry the same heavy ord as the 110, and has more combinations of ord. So ord isn't any different, but what IS different is it's all (except for 1 or 2 options) drag-free, and internal. Load that 110G down and all of a sudden you're 50mph slower than "clean" - but load the 410 down and it retains most of its top speed.

Also, keep in mind the 110G2 didn't get 30mm until much later. They removed their 7mm guns, flew 2x 20mm, added draggy gunpods to make it 4x20mm, until late 1943/well into 1944 when Mk108s were available. The Me210C (similar in performance and specs, thsi was the real basis for the 410 improvements, just a few mph slower) was operational in 1942. The Me410 was around in early 1943. It had better firepower for a longer time than the 110G did in the historical time line.

I'm not saying the 110G we have in-game is a slouch, I'm just saying as far as overall stories go, the 410 has the better firepower (overall)