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Title: Voted
Post by: uptown on October 18, 2011, 02:37:48 PM
Beaufighter, Mig and Yak  :aok

I didn't see a 38H or A36  :frown:
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Post by: Tyrannis on October 18, 2011, 02:44:49 PM
IAR-80,Beu,KI-100 for me.
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Post by: WWhiskey on October 18, 2011, 02:50:40 PM
Where? In game I bet, better get my butt home and vote!  YAK
Found it.  Wish I could  have voted yak three times
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Post by: 5PointOh on October 18, 2011, 02:51:55 PM
Beau, Me-410, and a write in for the P-61A/B
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Post by: ImADot on October 18, 2011, 02:52:52 PM
Where? In game I bet, better get my butt home and vote!  YAK

look at the top of this forum...
top three will be shown in-game for voting.
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: uptown on October 18, 2011, 02:53:16 PM
Where? In game I bet, better get my butt home and vote!  YAK
here on the BBS. Pyros thread.
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Post by: titan312 on October 18, 2011, 03:02:24 PM
Wish I could  have voted yak three times

I like the way you think! +1
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Post by: Raptor on October 18, 2011, 03:07:21 PM
J2M, KI43, Yak3
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Post by: Raphael on October 18, 2011, 04:55:49 PM
IAR80, YAK3 and Boomerang
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Post by: oakranger on October 18, 2011, 04:59:16 PM
here on the BBS. Pyros thread.

Where?
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Post by: TwinBoom on October 18, 2011, 04:59:45 PM
IAR 80
Boomerang
D.520

 these 3 offer the most use as far as play and scenarios and countries
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Post by: RTHolmes on October 18, 2011, 05:07:32 PM
Beau (I want to fly it)
Ki-43 (I want more axis fighters to fly against, but havent got a clue so followed krusty because hes into jap planes)
Meteor (mmmmmm)
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Post by: perdue3 on October 18, 2011, 05:10:18 PM
Think about what we need for events. The planes we ALWAYS substitute for. Those are the ones we need.

He 111
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Post by: Rino on October 18, 2011, 05:11:19 PM
     Ahhh the infamous Heinkel 111 fighter  :airplane:
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Post by: oakranger on October 18, 2011, 05:12:18 PM
Beau, Me-410, D.520
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Post by: RTHolmes on October 18, 2011, 05:15:27 PM
I would have liked to vote for the He111, some axis transports and bombers would be good too. but it was fighters.


edit: the whirlwind would have easily got my meteor vote ...
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Post by: TwinBoom on October 18, 2011, 05:17:15 PM
I would have liked to vote for the He111, some axis transports and bombers would be good too. but it was fighters.

He111 already coming hint hint it was in the last poll hint hint not on list cuz perhaps its already on the table :neener:
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Post by: tmetal on October 18, 2011, 05:18:55 PM
Sure wish a Ju87 update to the tank buster version had been on the list.  :cry


Oh well, heres hoping for the Ki43 or Me410
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Post by: Krupinski on October 18, 2011, 05:21:05 PM
Me410.

It deserves to win the vote now after coming in second last time behind a B-29.. of all things useless.
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Post by: kilo2 on October 18, 2011, 05:21:56 PM
Ki-45
MiG-3
ME-410
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Post by: 999000 on October 18, 2011, 05:23:27 PM
.......and the PBY wins again!!!!!!!!!!!!yahaaaaaaa!
999000 <S>
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Post by: Nutzoid on October 18, 2011, 05:49:09 PM
Voted!

 Nutz
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Post by: Wmaker on October 18, 2011, 05:59:02 PM
IAR 80
Boomerang
D.520

 these 3 offer the most use as far as play and scenarios and countries

Definately not as far as scenarios and events go. Ki-43, Ki-44 and Beaufighter for example provide much much more scenario potential.
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Post by: Noir on October 18, 2011, 06:00:06 PM
D520 meteor Yak3
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Post by: oakranger on October 18, 2011, 06:40:11 PM
.......and the PBY wins again!!!!!!!!!!!!yahaaaaaaa!
999000 <S>

Really, PBY as a FIGHTER?  sigh, sigh.
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Post by: TwinBoom on October 18, 2011, 06:42:01 PM
Really, PBY as a FIGHTER?  sigh, sigh.

Blackcats flew as night fighters :salute
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Post by: Rino on October 18, 2011, 07:18:41 PM
Blackcats flew as night fighters :salute

     What were they after...weather balloons?  :D
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Post by: Karnak on October 18, 2011, 07:28:55 PM
Voted for the J2M, Ki-43 and Ki-44.

I am curious what the reaction to the lack of an American fighter on the list will be.


I do think that if HTC puts the P-61 or P-63 on the poll they may as well not bother and just add the American fighter.
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Post by: GNucks on October 18, 2011, 07:36:14 PM
The vote is just for which plane we get first right? Right?!  :pray
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Post by: 999000 on October 18, 2011, 07:46:29 PM
999000 <-------------crawls back in his hole.....
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Post by: oakranger on October 18, 2011, 07:53:19 PM
999000 <-------------crawls back in his hole.....

It is ok, 999.  I read Pyor thread three times before i saw it was for fighters only. 
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Post by: mthrockmor on October 18, 2011, 08:05:25 PM
Holy crap, the last thing 999000 needs is another rear gun to thrash the crap out of us with!!!  :bhead :bhead :bhead

Boo
 :salute
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Post by: Reaper90 on October 18, 2011, 08:07:17 PM
Boomerang, ki43, Ki100
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Post by: pervert on October 18, 2011, 08:09:42 PM
D520 me 410 meteor
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Post by: oakranger on October 18, 2011, 08:13:42 PM
Blackcats flew as night fighters :salute

Huh?!  Are you sure they where not looking for Jap ships at night?
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Post by: Raphael on October 18, 2011, 08:22:57 PM
guys if i click remove vote do i have the chance to remake it? anyone knows?
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Post by: Melvin on October 18, 2011, 08:24:40 PM
guys if i click remove vote do i have the chance to remake it? anyone knows?

Yes, you can.
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Post by: Raphael on October 18, 2011, 08:27:25 PM
awesome! thanks! added the d520 to my vote!  :P
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Post by: FireDrgn on October 19, 2011, 02:50:20 AM
                                                               


                                                                      Yak 3
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Post by: Noir on October 19, 2011, 02:56:57 AM
If you like me, vote D520; if you don't, vote meteor!  :D
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Post by: mipoikel on October 19, 2011, 03:06:03 AM
D.520
Me 410
Mig 3
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Post by: coombz on October 19, 2011, 03:37:04 AM
yak 3, meteor, beaufighter :aok
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Post by: Kazan_HB on October 19, 2011, 07:41:07 AM
d520
IAR 80
G55
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Post by: PFactorDave on October 19, 2011, 03:49:17 PM
Well the poll is up in game now.  I would support any of them except the Meteor, I just don't believe that the jets are good for gameplay.

So, I'm sure we'll get the Meteor next...   :bhead

I voted for the Ki43.
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Post by: killerdude8 on October 19, 2011, 03:51:55 PM
Its gonna be between the 410 and beaufighter next time.

c'mon 410!  :pray
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Post by: Westy on October 19, 2011, 04:08:50 PM
P-80A
F8F
F7F
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Post by: tassos on October 19, 2011, 04:15:55 PM
Volkswaffe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjVE1XLNDJI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjVE1XLNDJI)
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Post by: PFactorDave on October 19, 2011, 04:20:11 PM
Volkswaffe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjVE1XLNDJI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjVE1XLNDJI)

 :rofl  Somebody went to a lot of trouble to make that video.
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Grundle1 on October 19, 2011, 04:26:59 PM
1) Ki 43
2) Beaufighter
3) Meteor


In the main arena, I clicked Ki 43.   It shot down more allied aircraft than the zero... was Japan's most prolific fighter...

Do what you know is right!
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Post by: cactuskooler on October 19, 2011, 04:31:24 PM
I'd like to point out that the top two voted aircraft both have two engines. :noid
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Post by: Babalonian on October 19, 2011, 04:42:35 PM
I didn't vote, guess I should of spent some time lurking aroudn the general forum yesterday.

It lacked 190 equality though, so, meh, it's like you missed out on the '00 presidential election.  :devil 

Nothing surprising on it either except maybe the meteor, but even that was like 3rd or 4th place on the poll behind other old contenders.

Greatly disapointed seeing the 410 and Beut on the list though rather than something else, poor choice, the 410 itself won second place last poll, probabley not much has changed since.


Glad to see it... but... really doesn't seem much thought was put into what choices to present to us as demonstrated by the presence of the already hotly-demanded Beu and 410 in this recent poll.
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Post by: tmetal on October 19, 2011, 04:44:48 PM
will be interesting to see how this one ends without the vote absorbing beast of the B29 in the mix.
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Post by: W7LPNRICK on October 19, 2011, 04:56:56 PM
1. No upgrade or variations on current models for now
2. HE-410 just because
3. Beaufighter
4. Any unrepresented/underrepresented countries?  :salute
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Post by: crazyivan on October 19, 2011, 05:16:46 PM
I didn't vote, guess I should of spent some time lurking aroudn the general forum yesterday.


Glad to see it... but... really doesn't seem much thought was put into what choices to present to us as demonstrated by the presence of the already hotly-demanded Beu and 410 in this recent poll.
I agree with you on the topic of why me410 and beaufighter are back on the list from last time some of us voted for the B29. Since I missed the forum vote how long was that up lol? I'm asking myself what plane would be used after the new is worn.
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Post by: RTHolmes on October 19, 2011, 05:40:44 PM
just a thought ... is the ingame vote going to be available for FSO and scenario players when they log in too or just the MAs? do you get a vote in each arena the aircraft is available in?

 :headscratch:
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Post by: Megalodon on October 19, 2011, 06:19:45 PM
When was the poll put up. I didn't get a chance. :old:


Boomerang, D520 and IAR

Count it,
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: ink on October 19, 2011, 06:29:02 PM
Voted for the J2M, Ki-43 and Ki-44.

I am curious what the reaction to the lack of an American fighter on the list will be.


I do think that if HTC puts the P-61 or P-63 on the poll they may as well not bother and just add the American fighter.

exactly how I voted.....those damn duel engine crap planes should not have even been on the list if it was for "fighter"  if the vote was for "attack fighter" I could see....

we need the KI-43

the J2M would be just awesome to have, not necessarily "needed"

why do I feel like we are gonna get the 410 before the 43..... :rolleyes:
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Post by: Slade on October 19, 2011, 08:26:13 PM
Quote
I voted for the Ki43.

 :aok
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Post by: Karnak on October 19, 2011, 08:30:51 PM
I don't have access to the servers now. What are the options on the in game poll?
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Post by: Ruah on October 19, 2011, 08:37:43 PM
yak

I was debating the 410 but i went for yak
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Post by: B-17 on October 19, 2011, 09:02:30 PM
:x THERE WAS A VOTE?!?!? :x






Does anybody want to lend me their account? :noid
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Post by: killerdude8 on October 19, 2011, 10:41:10 PM
yak

I was debating the 410 but i went for yak


should've went 410
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Post by: ghi on October 19, 2011, 11:16:39 PM
yak
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Post by: Ruah on October 20, 2011, 02:38:55 AM
should've went 410

my only issue with the yak3 coming out is that before I became a die-hard 109 (and A5 if I can find a wingman because its great with e-cooperation) stick, I was flying the 9U just waiting for the yak3.  If (when) the yak comes out, I will be tempted to fly it now an again. . .but I think I can be forgiven that.  

I picked the Yak because I want to see more LW fighters. And the Yak3 is/was one of the best produced by the russians in WW2.

oh and screw the meteor, the last thing we need is another jet, especially one that was not built to shoot down planes but to shoot down rockets. 
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Post by: Wmaker on October 20, 2011, 05:39:17 AM
I would support any of them except the Meteor,

Yeh, all are good or very good choises except for the Meteor. Gonna be pretty sad if that thing gets chosen in another poll after the B-29 won the last one...
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Post by: Tilt on October 20, 2011, 05:52:43 AM
I favour the Yak3. I always thought that when it finally gets introduced it would be part of a general re work of all the Yaks a bit like the recent work done on the P40's.

I struggle with the idea of the Beaufighter as  a "fighter" to me its an "attack" air craft / intruder. I would not have placed it as an air superiority weapon. An arguement which could be equally laid at the door of the ME410.
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Post by: moot on October 20, 2011, 05:54:24 AM
So you'd be ok with the 410 if only it was competitive with e.g. the Mossie or 38 in terms of "fighter" performance?

Separate nit pick:  It's a minor niche but non-negligible IMO, that of heavier fighters exploiting furballs.  Not at all the air superiority type, but fighter nonetheless.. ?   Diametrically opposite to lighter "harmless" non-superiority types like the 202 or Brewster, etc.  But on that same axis.
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Post by: waystin2 on October 20, 2011, 05:57:57 AM
I would love to see the Yak-3!  However, being a scenario and AVA participant has made me aware of the gaps that are in the plane set so I chose the KI-43. :aok
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Post by: Tilt on October 20, 2011, 07:17:03 AM
So you'd be ok with the 410 if only it was competitive with e.g. the Mossie or 38 in terms of "fighter" performance?

Separate nit pick:  It's a minor niche but non-negligible IMO, that of heavier fighters exploiting furballs.  Not at all the air superiority type, but fighter nonetheless.. ?   Diametrically opposite to lighter "harmless" non-superiority types like the 202 or Brewster, etc.  But on that same axis.


Well the 202 and Brewster were used as air superiority weapons. They may not have have been the best in the air but their purpose was to deny their enemy control of the skies.

If we have a 410 I want it to be accurately modelled regardless of how that relates to other aircraft.

It was merely an observation that the term "fighter" was being loosely used to include ac that were not air superiority weapons. Some may argue that the 410 was an "interceptor" with respect to an anti bomber role (where typically it had to be escorted by "fighters) but to me the term "heavy fighter" as applied to the Me 410 is a misnomer (as it is to the Beaufighter).

Historically it (the 410)was used as either a bomber interceptor  or an "intruder" very similar in functionality to the Mossie.

Indeed similarly the Beaufighter was not generally  "missioned" to control the skies..its mission was agin ground and sea born targets.
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Post by: wiskyfog on October 20, 2011, 07:21:13 AM
Beau!!(http://www.aviation-history.com/bristol/beaufit12a.jpg)
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Post by: moot on October 20, 2011, 07:27:51 AM
Well the 202 and Brewster were used as air superiority weapons. They may not have have been the best in the air but their purpose was to deny their enemy control of the skies.

If we have a 410 I want it to be accurately modelled regardless of how that relates to other aircraft.

It was merely an observation that the term "fighter" was being loosely used to include ac that were not air superiority weapons. Some may argue that the 410 was an "interceptor" with respect to an anti bomber role (where typically it had to be escorted by "fighters) but to me the term "heavy fighter" as applied to the Me 410 is a misnomer (as it is to the Beaufighter).

Historically it (the 410)was used as either a bomber interceptor  or an "intruder" very similar in functionality to the Mossie.

Indeed similarly the Beaufighter was not generally  "missioned" to control the skies..its mission was agin ground and sea born targets.
I was/am speaking strictly RE: the clear majority of use this next plane will get: in MA air combat and esp. the late war arena.   I think fighters in the 38 and Mossie VI's performance tier qualify as air superiority, in many players' hands.  The 410 could be in that performance margin.
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Post by: Tilt on October 20, 2011, 07:38:51 AM
I was/am speaking strictly RE: the clear majority of use this next plane will get: in MA air combat and esp. the late war arena.   I think fighters in the 38 and Mossie VI's performance tier qualify as air superiority, in many players' hands.  The 410 could be in that performance margin.

Yes experten in arenas will take ac out of their "envelopes" so to speak. I would park the P38 out side of this debate ( a sort of rule proving exception )........... but we could all imagine how e.g. an A26 would be used by those able to "exploit its assets" to the full in the MA and that sort of proves your point.

but I would not use the term fighter for the A26 either...............
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Post by: Tyrannis on October 20, 2011, 07:56:29 AM
Beau!!(http://www.aviation-history.com/bristol/beaufit12a.jpg)
Looks like a mossie who needs on a diet.
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: B4Buster on October 20, 2011, 08:10:26 AM
I really hope the Meteor isn't voted in. I'm worried that people will vote it in just because it's a jet. While I would like it in game eventually, now isn't the time for the Meteor in Aces High, with so many other deserving aircraft on the vote list. I'm sure the 410 will be voted in as it was the runner up last vote. The 410 is pretty far down on my list of aircraft to add, but it will see a lot of use in the MA at least.
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Post by: Krusty on October 20, 2011, 10:30:02 AM
Tilt you have a far more narrow personal definition of what "fighter" is than most nations in the world. While you might argue the Beau is an "attacker" (variation on "fighter") the 410 is a fighter just as much as the 110 is, just as much as a Sturmbock Fw190 is. Just as much as a 262 is. None of these were "air superiority" fighters, a term which was not created until the F-15 design many many years later.

They simply were fighters. Or do you consider a P-47 no longer a "fighter" because it's used to carry bombs so much?
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Post by: Tilt on October 20, 2011, 06:16:41 PM
Tilt you have a far more narrow personal definition of what "fighter" is than most nations in the world. While you might argue the Beau is an "attacker" (variation on "fighter") the 410 is a fighter just as much as the 110 is, just as much as a Sturmbock Fw190 is. Just as much as a 262 is. None of these were "air superiority" fighters, a term which was not created until the F-15 design many many years later.

They simply were fighters. Or do you consider a P-47 no longer a "fighter" because it's used to carry bombs so much?

Maybe

but of course the 110 was initially designed and pressed to service as a "fighter" in every sense of the word  (as an air superiority ac) and only latterly was it removed from this role when it could not "fight" ac that just outclassed it.  For me the tell tail definition comes when the main mission statement of an air craft, when in use, was to "avoid" contact with enemy fighters. A mission statement that applied to the 410  in every respect, at no time did it ever enter service with the role to combat enemy fighters.

and yes the F8 looked at in isolation is similarly defined as pure attack aircraft (Jabo) that used a modified air frame to achieve its role which was classic hit and run with the absolute and categorical mission statement to avoid enemy fighters at all costs........yet we would call it a fighter?

The P47 was a multi role air craft in this sense.....as many were........ able and missioned to  carry out roles of escort, interception, combat air patrol as well as ground attack..............much like the P38 and the P51..they were designed as and used as fighters................ and other roles.

Its just a bit of pedantry any way
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Post by: moot on October 21, 2011, 05:12:18 AM
Pretty sure I remember the 410 being ordered out to fight allied fighters along with ground/air strat targets (bombers etc) a handful of times (ie once or twice), but with the consequences we know.  If not at brass HQ level, then squadron lead level.   At least one of the most "famous" 410 jockeys went down fighting single seater fighters.  From his own instigation, after successful allied fighter engagement.
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Post by: Krusty on October 21, 2011, 09:08:19 AM
The Me210 and Me410 were direct replacements for the 110 as the next in the Zerstorer line, which was a heavy fighter intended to take heavy weaponry and destroy enemy planes with it. The bombs were just useful for when it wasn't doing that. The performance of the craft doesn't negate its role or mission...


Or would you remove the classification of "Fighter" from the Boomerang? It wasn't capable of fighting any Japanese craft, and couldn't even shoot down 1 plane in its career.... Is it still a fighter? The designation is such because that's how it was built and designed. The adaptation of its use is secondary to its nature. Or would you classify a Ju88 as a flying bomb with no crew, just because some were adapted as such later in the war?
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Post by: Kazaa on October 21, 2011, 04:25:09 PM
Which version of the Meteor is in the vote? I would resub in a heart beat if AH modelled the Gloster Meteor F Mk.III.
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Post by: Tilt on October 21, 2011, 04:31:17 PM
Its strange how we adopt the term "heavy fighter"  and  inflict it upon the Luftwaffe of  WWII. Was it actually  a Luftwaffe term?  

when Zerstorer  actually means ...................... ?
and
Jagdbomber (jabo) actually means......................?
and
Scnellbomber actually means.....................?

Was the Me 410 used in the Jagdwaffe?   No

and what was the role of the Zerstörergeschwader  in 1943? I contend that it had no  (fighter) air superiority role  as it may have had in 1940 and further from its introduction onwards the 410 was missioned to avoid enemy fighters....its only air to air role being that of (mostly escorted) bomber interceptor

I think stuff was a bit more complex than Krusty would have us believe  and he has caused me to sink to a new low but the following  shows a more complex structure than he would have us believe

Jagdgeschwader (JG) – A day fighter Geschwader (literally "hunting wing"), typically equipped with Messerschmitt Bf 109 or Fw 190 aircraft flying in the fighter or fighter-bomber roles.
Nachtjagdgeschwader (NJG) – A night fighter Geschwader, typically flying radar-equipped heavy fighters such as the Messerschmitt Bf 110 or Ju 88 against Allied bombers.
Zerstörergeschwader (ZG) – Zerstörer (literally "destroyer", as in naval destroyer). These units were usually equipped with twin-engined heavy fighters such as the Me Bf 110 or Me 410 .
Schlachtgeschwader (SchlG, since 1943 SG) – Schlacht (German: "strike") These were ground attack or close air support Geschwader, initially equipped with the biplane Hs-123, later with Hs-129, fighter-bomber variants of Bf 109, and ground-attack variants of Fw 190.
Sturzkampfgeschwader (StG; Stuka Geschwader) – dive bomber Geschwader equipped mainly with Ju-87; on 18 October 1943, most of them were re-designated Schlachtgeschwader (SG).[26]
Kampfgeschwader (KG) – literally combat wing, primarily a medium bomber unit, with typical aircraft being the He 111 and the Junkers Ju 88.
Lehrgeschwader (LG) – a Geschwader created to test new equipment under operational conditions and to evaluate new tactics. Personnel from a unit of this type could fly several types of aircraft.
Transportgeschwader (TG) – typical aircraft being the Ju 52/3m or the Me 323. The "TG" designation was a result of the reorganization of the transport branch in 1943.
Kampfschulgeschwader (KSG) – a Bomber Training School Geschwader.
Luftlandegeschwader (LLG) – a Glider Geschwader for the Fallschirmjäger or Paratroops.
Schnellkampfgeschwader (SKG) – fast bomber wing. Two units equipped with single- or twin-engine fighter bombers and used for ground-attack or hit-and-run missions over the United Kingdom. Later absorbed by other units or re-designated as Schlachtgeschwader.
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: gyrene81 on October 21, 2011, 04:38:10 PM
Its strange how we adopt the term "heavy fighter"  and  inflict it upon the Luftwaffe of  WWII. Was it actually  a Luftwaffe term?  

when Zerstorer  actually means ...................... ?
and
Jagdbomber (jabo) actually means......................?
and
Scnellbomber actually means.....................?

Was the Me 410 used in the Jagdwaffe?   No

and what was the role of the Zerstörergeschwader  in 1943? I contend that it had no  (fighter) air superiority role  as it may have had in 1940 and further from its introduction onwards the 410 was missioned to avoid enemy fighters....its only air to air role being that of (mostly escorted) bomber interceptor

I think stuff was a bit more complex than Krusty would have us believe  and he has caused me to sink to a new low but the following  shows a more complex structure than he would have us believe

Jagdgeschwader (JG) – A day fighter Geschwader (literally "hunting wing"), typically equipped with Messerschmitt Bf 109 or Fw 190 aircraft flying in the fighter or fighter-bomber roles.
Nachtjagdgeschwader (NJG) – A night fighter Geschwader, typically flying radar-equipped heavy fighters such as the Messerschmitt Bf 110 or Ju 88 against Allied bombers.
Zerstörergeschwader (ZG) – Zerstörer (literally "destroyer", as in naval destroyer). These units were usually equipped with twin-engined heavy fighters  such as the Me Bf 110 or Me 410 .
Schlachtgeschwader (SchlG, since 1943 SG) – Schlacht (German: "strike") These were ground attack or close air support Geschwader, initially equipped with the biplane Hs-123, later with Hs-129, fighter-bomber variants of Bf 109, and ground-attack variants of Fw 190.
Sturzkampfgeschwader (StG; Stuka Geschwader) – dive bomber Geschwader equipped mainly with Ju-87; on 18 October 1943, most of them were re-designated Schlachtgeschwader (SG).[26]
Kampfgeschwader (KG) – literally combat wing, primarily a medium bomber unit, with typical aircraft being the He 111 and the Junkers Ju 88.
Lehrgeschwader (LG) – a Geschwader created to test new equipment under operational conditions and to evaluate new tactics. Personnel from a unit of this type could fly several types of aircraft.
Transportgeschwader (TG) – typical aircraft being the Ju 52/3m or the Me 323. The "TG" designation was a result of the reorganization of the transport branch in 1943.
Kampfschulgeschwader (KSG) – a Bomber Training School Geschwader.
Luftlandegeschwader (LLG) – a Glider Geschwader for the Fallschirmjäger or Paratroops.
Schnellkampfgeschwader (SKG) – fast bomber wing. Two units equipped with single- or twin-engine fighter bombers and used for ground-attack or hit-and-run missions over the United Kingdom. Later absorbed by other units or re-designated as Schlachtgeschwader.
yup, looks like the luftwaffe used the same "heavy fighter" term to me...would that be a jagerschwerer?
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: W7LPNRICK on October 21, 2011, 06:53:00 PM
Any new version of a KI, or a Yak, etc isn't really that "NEW". I wanted to learn a new plane that I haven't flown any variation of. I have a hard time getting excited over a Yak or Ki. Sorry, but it ain't really new. The 410 or Beau on the other hand would be something you'd have to learn their pros, cons, & do's, don't's. I really like flying the 110, & am sure the 410 would be equally fun to fly.   :x  :banana: :airplane:
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Karnak on October 21, 2011, 07:15:41 PM
Any new version of a KI
Say what?

The term "Ki" is short for "Airplane" and the number is simply the order in which it was ordered by the Imperial Japanese Army.  The Ki-43 is not an earlier version of the Ki-84 any more than the P-40 is an earlier version of the P-51.
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: SmokinLoon on October 21, 2011, 07:23:30 PM
With choices such as the Beaufighter (fat-n-slow Mossi w/ torp ability), Yak-3 (Lgay7's cousin), Me410 (110 in a different name), and Meteor (Tempest/Me262 hybrid), I had to vote for the Meteor.  All bets say it will be the Mk III and it will give the Me262 a run for its money.  I wonder if HTC will give the Meteor a Fighter/Attack scoring ability seeing as how it did more damage to ground targets than it did to air targets.

The D520, Ki-43, or the MiG-3 were my first choices.  The EW plane set needs some lovin'!  :) 
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: W7LPNRICK on October 21, 2011, 08:59:16 PM
Say what?

The term "Ki" is short for "Airplane" and the number is simply the order in which it was ordered by the Imperial Japanese Army.  The Ki-43 is not an earlier version of the Ki-84 any more than the P-40 is an earlier version of the P-51.

Ok, my bad. If it is not closely similar, I would be glad to see it. In my flying, I see the Japanese fighters as all very similar as far as the construction, and flying qualities ie the Nikki and Ki-84 seem very similar to me, but I don't fly them every day. My observations impressions are probably seen in a much broader sense than you may see it, & I don't really enjoy flying the Japanese planes much, just my feel for them. Thanks for clarifying, though. I don't mind getting educated. :salute
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Karnak on October 21, 2011, 09:20:04 PM
Ok, my bad. If it is not closely similar, I would be glad to see it. In my flying, I see the Japanese fighters as all very similar as far as the construction, and flying qualities ie the Nikki and Ki-84 seem very similar to me, but I don't fly them every day. My observations impressions are probably seen in a much broader sense than you may see it, & I don't really enjoy flying the Japanese planes much, just my feel for them. Thanks for clarifying, though. I don't mind getting educated. :salute
The Ki-43 would be the Japanese fighter that would probably represent the furthest extreme of your impressions.  The J2M and Ki-44 wouldn't fit your impressions well at all, both being intended for speed and climb at the expense of turning.
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: moot on October 22, 2011, 12:12:09 AM
Its strange how we adopt the term "heavy fighter"  and  inflict it upon the Luftwaffe of  WWII. Was it actually  a Luftwaffe term?  

Tilt the word fighter here is as used by Pyro on a forum/game poll.  Probably chosen more for what it means for production logistics than historical exactness.
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: EskimoJoe on October 22, 2011, 02:00:25 AM
fighter (noun)

    one that fights

Looks like all of our planes are fighters. Imagine that...
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Delirium on October 22, 2011, 02:10:40 AM
Yeh, all are good or very good choises except for the Meteor. Gonna be pretty sad if that thing gets chosen in another poll after the B-29 won the last one...

Agreed.

I don't think HTC should even bother polling the masses as (historically) they will always choose the aircraft with better perceived performance. Heck, I'll bet they'd vote for a F-16, no matter how unbalancing it was or how little it would add to this WWII flight sim overall. That B29 sees less action in the game than Betty White on a Friday night.

We have a lot of bright people with thoughtful ideas in this game, but collectively, the community can be rather foolish.
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: moot on October 22, 2011, 02:13:01 AM
Seems about right to give popular demand one plane, and add 1-2 more historically acceptable ones on top of that.
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Kazaa on October 22, 2011, 02:38:44 AM
Agreed.

I don't think HTC should even bother polling the masses as (historically) they will always choose the aircraft with better perceived performance. Heck, I'll bet they'd vote for a F-16, no matter how unbalancing it was or how little it would add to this WWII flight sim overall. That B29 sees less action in the game than Betty White on a Friday night.

We have a lot of bright people with thoughtful ideas in this game, but collectively, the community can be rather foolish.

The F-16 part made me lol rather hard.

Also, it sounds like the B-29 is still perked a ridiculously high amount.
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Brooke on October 22, 2011, 07:33:40 PM
Actually, the high-performance planes don't always win.  The B-25 and P-39 (nearly tied) won one of the previous rounds of voting.
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Brooke on October 22, 2011, 07:34:14 PM
Also, as everyone knows, the Beaufighter will win this round!  (Right?  Everyone is with me on this, right?)
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Karnak on October 22, 2011, 07:35:18 PM
Also, as everyone knows, the Beaufighter will win this round!  (Right?  Everyone is with me on this, right?)
Well, I was torn, but I voted for the Me410 because I think it would be fun to fight against in the Mossie.
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: W7LPNRICK on October 23, 2011, 12:40:52 AM
Well, I was torn, but I voted for the Me410 because I think it would be fun to fight against in the Mossie.

Yes! ME-410 rules!!  :D
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: cobia38 on October 23, 2011, 08:13:26 AM

 i voted yak 3,  we have enuff bombers in the game
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Reschke on October 23, 2011, 08:48:40 AM
Ki-100 should have made it or the J2M. Just my thoughts which aren't worth .02. 
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: doc1kelley on October 23, 2011, 10:24:05 AM
Beaufighter Rules!    ...nuff said


All the Best...

    Jay
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Skulls22 on October 23, 2011, 11:45:01 AM
Beaufighter
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: titan312 on October 23, 2011, 12:14:27 PM
I would love to see the Yak-3!  However, being a scenario and AVA participant has made me aware of the gaps that are in the plane set so I chose the KI-43. :aok

Way......say it ain't so!  I thought you were my fellow Yak 3 lobbyist.   :uhoh
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Karnak on October 23, 2011, 02:38:07 PM
Ki-100 should have made it or the J2M. Just my thoughts which aren't worth .02. 
Ki-100 is extremely similar to the Ki-61 and thus of little interest, but I'd be voting for the J2M or Ki-44 had they made it.
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Pigslilspaz on October 23, 2011, 07:26:54 PM
Beaufighter. Because Beaufighter.
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: DOUG on October 23, 2011, 08:56:06 PM
i voted yak 3,  we have enuff bombers in the game
WHAT????Says Mr.NastiestA20inTheWorld   :neener:  
We need a Dogfarts'  pppPPPPPFFFFFfffffffft  imodicon
elfy
>edit  oh ya 410!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Kazaa on October 23, 2011, 09:19:06 PM
If I still had an Aces High account then I would vote for:

(http://www.lietadla.com/lietadla/anglicke/meteor/meteor_f_mk3-02.jpg)
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Bruv119 on October 23, 2011, 09:24:13 PM
 :aok
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: gpwurzel on October 23, 2011, 09:26:51 PM
Personally, I'd like to see the final 4 added - irrespective of vote lol.....then again, I'm like that.

Wurz
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Megalodon on October 23, 2011, 11:40:53 PM
Personally, I'd like to see the final 4 added - irrespective of vote lol.....then again, I'm like that.

Wurz

 I would rather they ad a new Country's plane or 2  :aok
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: gpwurzel on October 24, 2011, 02:26:44 AM
I"m good with that too - dont much care what they add (Gloster Gladiator please), anything new plane wise is always appreciated (I'm a worse GV'er than a virtual pilot and I'm bad at that)

Wurz
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: W7LPNRICK on October 25, 2011, 10:40:24 PM
Personally, I'd like to see the final 4 added - irrespective of vote lol.....then again, I'm like that.

Wurz

Right On! I don't think that's greedy, do you? I guess they have to save some bait for us later to keep us salivating.... :old:  :x
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Karnak on October 25, 2011, 11:48:09 PM
I"m good with that too - dont much care what they add (Gloster Gladiator please), anything new plane wise is always appreciated (I'm a worse GV'er than a virtual pilot and I'm bad at that)

Wurz
So, you'd like a Gloster, just a different Gloster than is on offer.  :p
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: gpwurzel on October 25, 2011, 11:54:02 PM
 :D I say nothing on the grounds I may incriminate myself

Wurz
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: des506 on October 25, 2011, 11:58:48 PM
BRING BACK THE BEAUFIGHTER~~
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: B-17 on October 27, 2011, 09:52:36 PM
What were the choices of plane? How may were there?
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Karnak on October 27, 2011, 10:28:32 PM
What were the choices of plane? How may were there?
Initial in game poll was:

Beaufighter
Ki-43
Me410
Meteor
Yak-3

Ki-43 went out in the first round, Beaufighter went out in the second round, Meteor went out in the third round.  Tomorrow we find out if the Me410 or Yak-3 wins.
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: FireDrgn on October 28, 2011, 12:12:58 AM
 




                Yak3
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Krusty on October 28, 2011, 01:11:21 AM
I'm hopin' for the 410, m'self!
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: AWwrgwy on October 28, 2011, 02:25:18 AM
What happens if "Don't care" wins?

 :bolt:



wrongway
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Lusche on October 28, 2011, 04:12:55 AM
What happens if "Don't care" wins?


Then we will get this: (http://www.gameshellokitty.com/puzzle-hello-kitty-plane.jpg)  :banana:
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Pigslilspaz on October 28, 2011, 04:17:24 AM
What happens if "Don't care" wins?

 :bolt:



wrongway

then we get the Short Stirling
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Shuffler on October 28, 2011, 09:21:18 AM
As I posted in the Yak3 thread...... some of the 410 enthusiast think the 410 also carried a Yak3 as armament :P
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Tyrannis on October 28, 2011, 09:23:58 AM
What happens if "Don't care" wins?

 :bolt:



wrongway
Then we get the nuke. and all the BBS whining that comes along with it.  :D  :bolt:
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Shuffler on October 28, 2011, 10:38:32 AM
If I understand correctly..... "Don't Care" is a Beaufighter shade. :)
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Babalonian on October 28, 2011, 06:04:39 PM
Initial in game poll was:

Beaufighter
Ki-43
Me410
Meteor
Yak-3

Ki-43 went out in the first round, Beaufighter went out in the second round, Meteor went out in the third round.  Monday morning we find out if the Me410 or Yak-3 wins.

Fixed for accuracy.
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Krusty on October 28, 2011, 10:14:50 PM
Shoot! I was looking for the winner announcement! lol!

Well at least I can pause the waiting until Monday.  :aok
Title: Re: Voted
Post by: Kermit de frog on October 29, 2011, 03:21:25 AM
If I understand correctly..... "Don't Care" is a Beaufighter shade. :)

 :lol