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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: mthrockmor on October 18, 2011, 08:03:12 PM
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I know many are going to bust my chops for not doing CIA type research, instead relying on glorified Wiki sites but...
The Dora13 is a slightly improved Dora-9, which is in the game. From what I can tell the biggest differences include the removal of the two cowl 12.7mms, slightly better top end speed and mechanical assistance on flight controls to include auto pilot. The Dora-13 only had the two 20mms though this provided most of the killing power anyway. I have not been able to find how many were made, though clearly it came at the end of the war so likely a small number with even fewer making it to combat. I do not expect in any way the Dora-13 to be added for years, if at all, though I find the model interesting, quite beautiful and hope to learn more about it. I'm sure much better researchers can shed a great deal more light on this. I think the next step was the Ta-152. I did find several links that appear informative though they are in German. Wiki barely mentions it. Here is a link or two...
http://www.cebudanderson.com/yellow10.htm
http://rhorta.home.xs4all.nl/ee_fw190.htm
Boo
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According to Dietmar Hermann's book "FW 190 "Long Nose-An Illustrated History of the FW 190D Series" there were only a handful, if that produced. Only 2 were shown as making it to an operational unit, with one from JG 51 being captured at the end of the war.
Not that I have any say, but you can have your D-13 when I get my 100 Spit XIIs :)
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as much of a luftweenie as i am, i can't see a place for the d13.
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as much of a luftweenie as i am, i can't see a place for the d13.
I would love to see this AC, even in real life (I believe there is only one that survived in the war and keep in Washington) I do not think they saw any action. If they did, could be no more then the Metor or B-32 saw.
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I would love to see this AC, even in real life (I believe there is only one that survived in the war and keep in Washington) I do not think they saw any action. If they did, could be no more then the Metor or B-32 saw.
Paul Allen has the surviving D-13 with his collection in Washington.
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Paul Allen has the surviving D-13 with his collection in Washington.
Ah, thank you. Is this the vary same D-13 that the German pilot (group CO i believe) flew to a RAF base in Germany and surender in May of 1945?
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Ah, thank you. Is this the vary same D-13 that the German pilot (group CO i believe) flew to a RAF base in Germany and surender in May of 1945?
I think so. It was test flown in mock combat against a Tempest after the war was over, being flown by a German pilot too! I know they used to ground run the engine. I'm sure with Paul Allen it will be restored to flyable, although I think they decided against ever flying it due to it's rarity.
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(http://www.netaces.org/skins/190d9/skin2.jpg)
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To be clear, while I have this under 'wish list' I am not agitating to have it added as a plane. For many reasons I know this isn't going to happen, and likely shouldn't. I just wanted to learn more then I found on the internet and was confident the AH community knows more then the internet about WW2 planes.
My next curiousity is the Spit Mark 21.
Boo
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Many people don't realize the 152 was being designed before the d series of 190s. 152s lead to D series of 190s. The 152 was to be Kurt Tanks premier fighter and the D series a stop gap.
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Rather than a D series, how about 152C.
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Rather than a D series, how about 152C.
What Variant do we have now?
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152H-1... Pretty different. Only problem is the C-0 was a preproduction series and only a few of those saw combat. I'd love a C-0 with 4x MG151/20 and 1x Mk108 hub gun!!
However, it won't happen. Better bet is a 190D-11/D-12/D-13 of some sort. That's still a long shot, given the numbers built and how many were used. These also had different engines like the 152C (C and H changed engines, different performance curves, etc).
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I am happy and sad. Krusty is back but, Krusty is back.
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Go fly off a bridge perdue. He asked a simple question, I gave a direct answer. What do we have? The 152H-1. How is it different? Different engines.
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According to Dietmar Hermann's book "FW 190 "Long Nose-An Illustrated History of the FW 190D Series" there were only a handful, if that produced. Only 2 were shown as making it to an operational unit, with one from JG 51 being captured at the end of the war.
Not that I have any say, but you can have your D-13 when I get my 100 Spit XIIs :)
Well it could happen..... the TA 152 is in game.
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Meh... To be fair the ta152 was in full production with somewhere around 70 made and more being made. Real war problems meant only so many got to fight in combat.
With these 190D variants, they are really short-runs of limited numbers. Some are considered prototypes. Others stop-gap. I think I read somewhere that the Ta152C was intended to replace all 190Ds but since we know this never happened they tried a couple of different setups to bridge the gap. None really caught on. I dearly WOULD love a dora with a 30mm hub gun, THAT's for sure!
I just don't have any hope it'll happen in this game, is all.
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A D-11, D-12 would be more probable choices, they saw more realistic production numbers and some, actual combat action. As has been stated, I think less than a handful of D-13s were completed, and I don't think any of them saw combat even though at least two or three made it out to operational units before the surrender. Since we have the Ta-152 H-1 which has a 30mm engine cannon and two 20mms in the wingroots, thats kind of an acceptable alterantive. Would be cool if one day we had either the D-13 or a 152 C though - but I'd hope to see it after a couple more A-series 190s and at least another D-series, otherwise it'd crit my gufaw-meter.