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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tordon22 on October 21, 2011, 11:16:32 AM
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Heyo, my subscription to trend micro ran out and I've been using some free anti virus for awhile, but I'd like to get set up with what you guys recommend as the best as far as a scanner/active monitoring program. I'm more than willing to pay for good protection of course :) .
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avast...free version or subscribed. you won't be disappointed, or infected.
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Micrsoft Security Essentials is free, works without sucking up system resources.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security_essentials/default.aspx
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If you have Windows 7 any flavor (2 thumbs up) or Vista (2 thumbs down) .......... Microsoft Security Essentials.
M$ actually got something right for a change.
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ESET NOD 32
FTW
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ESET NOD 32
FTW
I used NOD till my sub ran out. I run Microsoft Security Essentials on around 15 machines now.
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I used to like Avast but I found their last couple updates made it too controlling and too... big. One thing I used to like about it is the fact that it was small and didn't use a lot of resources. That no longer seems to be the case.
I have since switched to Microsoft Security Essentials. It might not be the absolute BEST protection money can buy (meaning free) but that in combination of safe computer habits works well enough for me.
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ESET NOD 32
FTW
I love this program. Best money I have spent in a while.
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Having been in the computer service and repair business for 25 years I can tell you from personal experience that Microsoft Security Essentials is near worthless. I have lost track of the number of computers I have had to clean up from viruses that had MSE installed. And, yes, MSE can slow systems down significantly. It may not slow down your or someone else's computer but I have seen it. A lot.
Avast is good. It's what I am currently putting on my customer's computers. AVG is decent. I have had no bad experiences with NOD. Norton and McAffee are pretty worthless and do slow your computer down.
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Having been in the computer service and repair business for 25 years I can tell you from personal experience that Microsoft Security Essentials is near worthless. I have lost track of the number of computers I have had to clean up from viruses that had MSE installed. And, yes, MSE can slow systems down significantly. It may not slow down your or someone else's computer but I have seen it. A lot.
Avast is good. It's what I am currently putting on my customer's computers. AVG is decent. I have had no bad experiences with NOD. Norton and McAffee are pretty worthless and do slow your computer down.
I had avg before I switched to nod32 a few years back. only time I ever got viruses was when my kids came to visit and they would go and d/l crap that their friends sent. since I dont allow them to play with my puter anymore, I dont get viruses. then again I dont go all over the place looking at naked sheep or torrent any files either. I dropped nod32 for ms essentials only due to the price. I havent had any problems.
most avg's are crap because the people that use them are worthless when it comes to internet :uhoh.
semp
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Here at the shop all 10 machines have security essentials and never had virus. The above is the first person I've seen that has used it and did not think it was good.
I run 5 machines at home with it on there. Never any virus.
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where i work, security essentials and windows defender are all that's used...the desktop support guys are always cleaning viruses from end user systems, but then people with .phd's on the end of their names aren't known for using common sense when it comes to a computer.
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I think I'll give MS security essentials a run at work. Anything beats Norton
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I think I'll give MS security essentials a run at work. Anything beats Norton
oooh, ya true.
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Installed and run.. I booted Norton several months ago because it was dragging my system down too much. No threats found.
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Nod32 for personal computers, seen a few virus's cut through MSE lately. Avast and AVG are crapware.
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Nod32 for personal computers, seen a few virus's cut through MSE lately. Avast and AVG are crapware.
might want to check that again...nod32 is only rated 86% against all malware and 86% against rootkits...avast is consistently rated above nod32 for free and paid anti-virus programs with an average 94.8% in the wild detection and 80% new infections...panda was better at blocking known in the wild at 99.8%.
vipre(?) and bit defender pro have been top choices 2 years straight...
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PC Tools Spyware Doctor with AntiVirus....
I've used it for years, and no machine we have it on has ever been infected by a virus or malware.
$40 buys you three licenses for three machines.
Very highly rated in independent tests.
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might want to check that again...nod32 is only rated 86% against all malware and 86% against rootkits...avast is consistently rated above nod32 for free and paid anti-virus programs with an average 94.8% in the wild detection and 80% new infections...panda was better at blocking known in the wild at 99.8%.
vipre(?) and bit defender pro have been top choices 2 years straight...
Yeah I'm talking real world here, not some trumped up test results from a 'tester' from a magazine who can't score a real IT job.
If you really want the best you can't beat McAfee Virusscan Enterprise. But of course minimum licensing is 25 nodes for that :)
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I run three systems on my computers, both personal and business. MS Security Essentials, Malwarebytes, and Ad-Aware. Between those three I have either thwarted the nastiest viruses out there, or gotten them removed with relative ease if they did make it in. All offer free versions (or are free), and I breathe easy using them.
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Yeah I'm talking real world here, not some trumped up test results from a 'tester' from a magazine who can't score a real IT job.
If you really want the best you can't beat McAfee Virusscan Enterprise. But of course minimum licensing is 25 nodes for that :)
sorry but 3 years of the past 5 real life years killing viruses including basic mouseover malware auto-installers that mcaffee couldn't block, says different. care to talk about the 7 years of running norton enterprise that wouldn't block even the most basic w32 virus 6 months after it was was released into the wild?
if it wasn't against the rules here i'd send you a link to a site that would test your anti-virus in real time...see whether or not it could stop the silent autoinstaller and keep you from having to reload your computer. i wouldn't discount the anti-virus ratings tests, especially if they come from mulitple non-related sources. i've spent a lot of time over the past 11 years obsessively dealing with viruses and malware, to the point of intentionally infecting systems to test anti-virus programs. i don't make my personal choices of anti-virus casually.
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Avast :aok
:cheers: Oz
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If you really want the best you can't beat McAfee Virusscan Enterprise. But of course minimum licensing is 25 nodes for that :)
Yes, I love that program. Makes it so my work computer takes 20 minutes just to boot up. Gives me plenty of time to get a cup of coffee in the morning. :rolleyes:
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sorry but 3 years of the past 5 real life years killing viruses including basic mouseover malware auto-installers that mcaffee couldn't block, says different. care to talk about the 7 years of running norton enterprise that wouldn't block even the most basic w32 virus 6 months after it was was released into the wild?
if it wasn't against the rules here i'd send you a link to a site that would test your anti-virus in real time...see whether or not it could stop the silent autoinstaller and keep you from having to reload your computer. i wouldn't discount the anti-virus ratings tests, especially if they come from mulitple non-related sources. i've spent a lot of time over the past 11 years obsessively dealing with viruses and malware, to the point of intentionally infecting systems to test anti-virus programs. i don't make my personal choices of anti-virus casually.
Sorry but 8 years specializing in the security field means I know you're full of it Try managing 10's of thousands of PC's and servers AV with users intent on bringing infections in from all quarters. The only product I've ever seen that is effective is as mentioned above, McAfee enterprise. The only thing worse than Avast or Forefront is CA eTrust. Check av-comparatives retrospective tests for some amusing reading.
Answer me this, what version of McAfee enterprise have you used and when?
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webroot is ok.
BlackIce is fantastic
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Sorry but 8 years specializing in the security field means I know you're full of it Try managing 10's of thousands of PC's and servers AV with users intent on bringing infections in from all quarters. The only product I've ever seen that is effective is as mentioned above, McAfee enterprise. The only thing worse than Avast or Forefront is CA eTrust. Check av-comparatives retrospective tests for some amusing reading.
Answer me this, what version of McAfee enterprise have you used and when?
if you specialty is security, you haven't spent enough time actually dealing with viruses. if centralized management and front end security are your criteria for excellence then you're looking at the wrong components. when it comes to actually stopping or removing viruses and malware from client systems mcafee fails. and the key is to stop the infection at the client before it occurs, regardless of delivery method. versions 7.xi up to 8.5i allowed viruses and malware infections that even symantec stopped. the one component of mcafee enterprise that i will give kudos to is the email scanner, it will strip and remove everything that it's programmed to consider a threat. the only bad side is i.t. personnel can't email useful files to each other within their own department.
i'd love to sit here and compare virtual testicle sizes with you but...like i said before, i've spent a lot of time dealing with viruses and malware at the desktop level, more time than you have been specializing in security, mcafee fell flat on its face. since my company switched to forefront and bit defender 2 years ago, virus infections at the client have dropped ~80% and there have been no network wide spreads, unlike our experiences with mcafee.
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if you specialty is security, you haven't spent enough time actually dealing with viruses. if centralized management and front end security are your criteria for excellence then you're looking at the wrong components. when it comes to actually stopping or removing viruses and malware from client systems mcafee fails. and the key is to stop the infection at the client before it occurs, regardless of delivery method. versions 7.xi up to 8.5i allowed viruses and malware infections that even symantec stopped. the one component of mcafee enterprise that i will give kudos to is the email scanner, it will strip and remove everything that it's programmed to consider a threat. the only bad side is i.t. personnel can't email useful files to each other within their own department.
i'd love to sit here and compare virtual testicle sizes with you but...like i said before, i've spent a lot of time dealing with viruses and malware at the desktop level, more time than you have been specializing in security, mcafee fell flat on its face. since my company switched to forefront and bit defender 2 years ago, virus infections at the client have dropped ~80% and there have been no network wide spreads, unlike our experiences with mcafee.
I am not an expert, but if there's a problem with infections at your company, then some people need to be fired for being stupid, beginning with the people who set up firewalls and yet allowed employees to bypass it. :headscratch: :headscratch:
semp
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I am not an expert, but if there's a problem with infections at your company, then some people need to be fired for being stupid, beginning with the people who set up firewalls and yet allowed employees to bypass it. :headscratch: :headscratch:
semp
corporate firewalls can stop people from getting out to the internet, which is the only way to stop a majority of infections. but if it's an educational institution, blocking the internet would be considered facist. i work at a university and the rules are different from the corporate world. the firewalls you're thinking about won't block anything that is within the network if it originates from a computer that is used off site or from a disc of some sort. there are a myriad of ways to localize a problem to one system but, nothing short of cutting the connection is 100% effective.
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corporate firewalls can stop people from getting out to the internet, which is the only way to stop a majority of infections. but if it's an educational institution, blocking the internet would be considered facist. i work at a university and the rules are different from the corporate world. the firewalls you're thinking about won't block anything that is within the network if it originates from a computer that is used off site or from a disc of some sort. there are a myriad of ways to localize a problem to one system but, nothing short of cutting the connection is 100% effective.
jeez then it's not really the av that is at fault, but the people who use it.
semp
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I asked my friend who works for a big game company and he said that they use this http://usa.kaspersky.com/ I bought it from new egg where a 3 license box was 29.95 and it seems fine to me. I looked at some reviews and it seemed like it got high marks.
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corporate firewalls can stop people from getting out to the internet, which is the only way to stop a majority of infections. but if it's an educational institution, blocking the internet would be considered facist. i work at a university and the rules are different from the corporate world. the firewalls you're thinking about won't block anything that is within the network if it originates from a computer that is used off site or from a disc of some sort. there are a myriad of ways to localize a problem to one system but, nothing short of cutting the connection is 100% effective.
Well here we go again. Several of my clients are educational institutes. You don't need to block the internet to stop virus's getting into the network via the internet. You just need a decent firewall and not some noob that believes iptables with snort 'configured right' will do the job. And you don't need to be a fascist either.
And if you have had an issue with mcafee I'd guarantee it was operator error. I've seen mcafee clean up networks in a very short time that were running MS Forefront or CA eTrust that were rampant with infections. Centralised management is not the only thing I like about McAfee - the behavioral aspects are what makes the difference. Signature based % tests are meh. A properly tuned AV solution kills most threat vectors effectively. Artemis also added a lot to the product.
As for my experience that's was just 8 years in security. ie After 17 years in doing a lot of work with PC's (from CPM, MS-DOS 2.11, OS/2 Warp, Amiga Workbench, Windows 3, and so on, not counting my non-commercial teen years experience either) I focused more on security.
Maybe I'm throwing my 'virtual testies' out there, but all I'm offering is the persons advice "who does security for living" vs the home-school option.
Pembquist I'm running kaspersky at home on some of my network (we got given a 10 node test license). I like it too.
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jeez then it's not really the av that is at fault, but the people who use it.
semp
well, the anti-virus is supposed to protect the computer user from themselves. people with computers can be too stupid for words.
Well here we go again. Several of my clients are educational institutes. You don't need to block the internet to stop virus's getting into the network via the internet. You just need a decent firewall and not some noob that believes iptables with snort 'configured right' will do the job. And you don't need to be a fascist either.
And if you have had an issue with mcafee I'd guarantee it was operator error. I've seen mcafee clean up networks in a very short time that were running MS Forefront or CA eTrust that were rampant with infections. Centralised management is not the only thing I like about McAfee - the behavioral aspects are what makes the difference. Signature based % tests are meh. A properly tuned AV solution kills most threat vectors effectively. Artemis also added a lot to the product.
As for my experience that's was just 8 years in security. ie After 17 years in doing a lot of work with PC's (from CPM, MS-DOS 2.11, OS/2 Warp, Amiga Workbench, Windows 3, and so on, not counting my non-commercial teen years experience either) I focused more on security.
Maybe I'm throwing my 'virtual testies' out there, but all I'm offering is the persons advice "who does security for living" vs the home-school option.
that right there tells me you have little first hand experience with viruses and malware at the desktop level, let alone at a higher educational institution. desktop performance problems aside, the behavioral algorithms used to be absolute crap, especially on the email scanner. not to mention the fact that web based mouse over silent autoinstallers that the firefox plugin no-script stopped cold, wouldn't get blocked before they could begin. if mcafee enterprise has improved over the last 2-3 years that's great, means people using it aren't wasting their money anymore, they're just putting up with the other problems it creates. good luck with that.
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If you buy off the shelf machines..... first thing...... delete norton and mcafee.
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that right there tells me you have little first hand experience with viruses and malware at the desktop level, let alone at a higher educational institution.
ya whatever.
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Shut up Vulcan. You noob.
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i built a new system last spring and the Asus mobo came with Kasperskis and had a problem yet! rule of thumb leave moreton and Mcaffee alone!
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PC Tools Spyware Doctor with AntiVirus....
I've used it for years, and no machine we have it on has ever been infected by a virus or malware.
$40 buys you three licenses for three machines.
Very highly rated in independent tests.
+1 :aok
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I've used common sense for years and never got infected with malware or viruses. And it's totally free!
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Ive used the paid version of Avira for about 3 years now with zero problems, I dont see anyone mention it here, anyone else use it or have an opinion on it?
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I'll just throw this out there, but for the past few years I've run and recomended Vipre.
I don't recommend it anymore, their whole pitch was an anti-virus that caught everything and never slowed your system down. Lately the've been screwing up all sorts of definitions and it has been causing nothing but trouble and big slowdowns to machines I support. We finally bagged on the licenses and no longer recommend it.
I've been going with MSE as a test replacement for now and it is showing promise.
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well, the anti-virus is supposed to protect the computer user from themselves. people with computers can be too stupid for words.
that right there tells me you have little first hand experience with viruses and malware at the desktop level, let alone at a higher educational institution. desktop performance problems aside, the behavioral algorithms used to be absolute crap, especially on the email scanner. not to mention the fact that web based mouse over silent autoinstallers that the firefox plugin no-script stopped cold, wouldn't get blocked before they could begin. if mcafee enterprise has improved over the last 2-3 years that's great, means people using it aren't wasting their money anymore, they're just putting up with the other problems it creates. good luck with that.
I dare you to use any av and go pron surfing, see how long you will last without catching a virus.
semp
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I dare you to use any av and go pron surfing, see how long you will last without catching a virus.
semp
going on 3 years with avast... :lol with internet explorer even...
there are some chinese and russian sports sites that are much worse...
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going on 3 years with avast... :lol with internet explorer even...
there are some chinese and russian sports sites that are much worse...
and you have never gotten a virus while porn surfing? not even one?
semp