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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Raptor05121 on October 23, 2011, 11:02:55 PM
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It is generally accepted in WW2 that when a pilot lowers his landing gear in a dogfight, that it is his "white flag" (sans the F4U pilots :noid ). I'm not a good dog fighter, let me get that out, but I like the damage model. It gives a challenge. When your oil is over your windscreen, an elevator missing, and half your guns shot out, I find it quite "challenging" to end my fight and proceed home. I lost the fight, time to learn and keep trying. This is the time I descend to the deck, drop my gear (white flag) and limp home. But it astounds me the amount of people that will come burning in on reentry to come and get that last shot at me. You've got no defense and all of a sudden towering before you even hear a ping is quite frustrating. Do people really want their name is lights or what? I'm just dumbfounded...
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It is generally accepted in WW2 that when a pilot lowers his landing gear in a dogfight, that it is his "white flag" (sans the F4U pilots :noid ). I'm not a good dog fighter, let me get that out, but I like the damage model. It gives a challenge. When your oil is over your windscreen, an elevator missing, and half your guns shot out, I find it quite "challenging" to end my fight and proceed home. I lost the fight, time to learn and keep trying. This is the time I descend to the deck, drop my gear (white flag) and limp home. But it astounds me the amount of people that will come burning in on reentry to come and get that last shot at me. You've got no defense and all of a sudden towering before you even hear a ping is quite frustrating. Do people really want their name is lights or what? I'm just dumbfounded...
many don't even know this little factoid... that was probably ignored in WW2 at times, I'm sure (they did shoot pilots in chutes, all countries)... and of those who do know... many don't care (i'm one.) Hunters are taught to track our wounded and finish the job. You're the deer... you need to become the hunter. :noid
<edit: oh, and you could always bail. I can't count how many times over the years a wounded plane turned back into me when their help arrived... ) :old:
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No quarter, none expected, none given.
Next time before you try limping home try killing the guy who shot you up. :aok
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If you're in the arena you're a target.
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I've never understood why anyone would expect themselves to be spared just because they're missing parts.
:airplane:@%@%@%@%@%@ - - - - - - :airplane: <----Me shooting damaged plane.
:O - - - - - - :airplane: <----Me shooting the chute.
:uhoh
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silly git... you aim for the meatbomb dangling below, not the chute! At least until HT models holes in the silk... :noid
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No quarter, none expected, none given.
Next time before you try limping home try killing the guy who shot you up. :aok
I always fight till the enemy is dead or my plane cant sustain flight, then its either bail with alt. or attempt to ditch under fire.
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White flag? Sorry bro, we dont have any French planes.
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White flag :rofl :rofl :rofl
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl landing gear down :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl yeah vulching on the field gear down they gave up :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl.
semp
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It is generally accepted in WW2 that when a pilot lowers his landing gear in a dogfight, that it is his "white flag" (sans the F4U pilots :noid ). I'm not a good dog fighter, let me get that out, but I like the damage model. It gives a challenge. When your oil is over your windscreen, an elevator missing, and half your guns shot out, I find it quite "challenging" to end my fight and proceed home. I lost the fight, time to learn and keep trying. This is the time I descend to the deck, drop my gear (white flag) and limp home. But it astounds me the amount of people that will come burning in on reentry to come and get that last shot at me. You've got no defense and all of a sudden towering before you even hear a ping is quite frustrating. Do people really want their name is lights or what? I'm just dumbfounded...
? I got a large collection of memoirs about dogfights from '44-'45. None of them mentions dropping gear or white flag. Wait, one does, but that happened in '45 28th of April, after the capitulation...
I broke off from his dead six sometimes and let my opponent go home... if he deserved it. Otherwise no mercy.
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Here kitty kitty kitty. Gear down, giving up :devil
(http://ih3.redbubble.net/work.2756928.4.flat,550x550,075,f.bald-eagle-landing-gear-down.jpg)
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You do realize this is a game, right?
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when I see the guy has no eninge I let him glide... he is no thread to anyone that is a lil smart and it is part of the fun ditching a damaged bird like it happened in real life many times :) .
then someone else always comes and turns the guy into a ball of fire :cry
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If it flies, it dies. If it ditches, I need to work on my aim.
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I would not have paid much attention to landing gear coming down, usually it is a mistake. However, if there was a movement of sorts that formed to allow badly beaten aircraft to pass if they put their gear down and RTB'd, I'd be right on board that bandwagon. Thing is, I doubt most of the "name in lights" guys would go for it, it is all about their K/D ratio and score/rank.
The following is a true event:
I bested a 110 in a long drawn out and intense dogfight with my Mossi, he was missing some major control surfaces and an engine while I sustained damage to an MG, a cannon, and a flap. We were at about 5000ft when he went nose down for what appeared to be his field that was 2 sectors away. After some frantic range communications to fellow countrymen and some chat on 200, I found the pilot of the 110 and gave him an escort all the way back to his field, sans auto-ack. I gave him safe passage to his field and likewise he was able to keep his local countrymen off me, at least until I was almost back to my own field. After watching the film I found out the monkey that shot me down was not there on range chat for the 110 player when he was calling out to let me be for my return.
I dont remember who the 110 pilot was and I dont remember who shot me down upon my approach to land, but it was fun and I'll attempt to do it again. It gave me wee bit of hope that chivalry is still able to be found even in an arcade game. :D
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It is generally accepted in WW2 that when a pilot lowers his landing gear in a dogfight, that it is his "white flag" (sans the F4U pilots :noid ). I'm not a good dog fighter, let me get that out, but I like the damage model. It gives a challenge. When your oil is over your windscreen, an elevator missing, and half your guns shot out, I find it quite "challenging" to end my fight and proceed home. I lost the fight, time to learn and keep trying. This is the time I descend to the deck, drop my gear (white flag) and limp home. But it astounds me the amount of people that will come burning in on reentry to come and get that last shot at me. You've got no defense and all of a sudden towering before you even hear a ping is quite frustrating. Do people really want their name is lights or what? I'm just dumbfounded...
because if they kill you before you land then you'll never be able to up again, lost forever, right? and the points! think of the points! perkies galor for such a shot!
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To be sure to get out then land on the ground wheels up. Your no longer a threat then. Any plane still flying is a possible threat.
Some will still shoot you. I will if you came in with alt, just zoomed through a fight, or in a spit. :)
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To accept such a white flag in RL, one must assume the pilot "waving it" (gear down), is in a situation where he can land in you'r territory and surrender,
as in escorted to a friendly airbase or ditching in a friendly to you, territory. For eksampel a german pilot badly damaged over england surrendering to another english aircraft, during ww2.
If for eksampel the same german pilot was to drop his gear deep in german territory, and expect to be spared. 1st he would probably make it to some, to him friendly airfield, saving his life and the plane or at least spares. So he is actually not able to surrender.
Logic dictates, over your own country and no threats near, accept the surrender.
any other situation, shoot him down. thats whats you'r up there to do.
Now in Aces High, you can not actually surrender because you can not land on a enemy airfield unless all ack is down. the only thing you can do as in a surrenderable situation, is to land in unfriendly terretory and getting captured.
So if i saw a enemy plane dropping gear, near battleline,or in his own territory, i would shoot him down.
If deep in my own country, i would let him ditch, mostly not to killsteal.
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I only have a problem with the guys who collide with your plane as you coast to a stop (yes, gear down) and fly off undamaged.
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What? And destroy the fun of those scum who vulch vulch vulch all day?
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Die with dignity...............
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,322350.0.html
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Sometimes, if I find a crippled airplane flying home I like to get as close as possible, and then wait until he thinks I'm going to let him RTB. Thats when I let him have it :)
Also you can try to see how many pieces you can shoot off without actually bringing him down...well not right away anyways :t
I just wish then when you shot a parachute that you could watch the little toon plummet to his little toon death...sigh I guess we cant have everything.
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If the engine still runs, and there's ammo left, you can still fight. I'll let someone go once they're unable to fight back anymore.
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Funny, yesterday i got a spitfire (he exploded) after he got one of my wings.
Das ist SPARTA!! : )
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Nobody I have chased has ever put the gear down when landing so no quarter was given.
Actually....if I see someone trying to land gear up when I'm near an enemy airfield, I will immediately forget whatever else I was doing to vulch him.
Gear down? not worth the field ack hits taken.
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Lowering the gear meant "I give up, I am landing to surrender"
We don't have enemy fields to formally surrender our damaged aircraft in exchange for medical aid, and we don't sit out the rest of the war in POW camps. Until HTC models Stalag 13, it's purely foolish to think such a thing should be honored.... Oh, you screwed up, and now you want a free pass to go back and land? Okay, well you learn by your screw-ups, don't do it again. If you WIN the fight you earn the right to go back and land. If you LOSE the fight, it's the choice of the winner to let you go or not. I've let some go, and some I haven't.
The thing is in this game you don't have the same realities as in WW2. Waggling your wings in real life was a greeting. In here it's just stick stirring. Lowering your gear in real life meant you were out of the fight and out of the war by proxy. In here it's just a "Don't shoot! Don't shoot! Don't shoot! (reup fresh plane) DIE DIE DIE!" kind of move a kid would pull while playing cowboys and indians.
If this were WW2 I'd honor it. Since this is AH2 you won't see me showing any pity for a plane just because it lowers its gear after losing a fight. I may still show mercy a time or two, depending on the situation and the fight, but for gear alone? Don't count on it.
EDIT: Also, in WW2 they didn't just fly off... They stayed in formation and "escorted" the surrendering plane down to an airfield, and if it deviated or renegged... they blew it from the sky. Wasn't it the Bloody 100th that tried this, and was mercilessly hunted down afterwards, no quarter given for that unit after they pulled their stunt?
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If someone lets me know they are bingo fuel or winchester I let them go home. Same goes if I see them turn and drop gear.
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I have on more than one occasion left a plane "wheels down" to land. Most times the pilot was on final and just doesn't seem very chivalrous. As for history,,,War is War and a plane down is not upping the next day to fight again. I kamp a spawn during GV fights, and Vulch occasionally. It comes down to the Pilot. I will not fire on a plane on final with wheels down. Just one mans opinion. <Salute> all.
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Many great comments here, too many to quote.
I tell ya, if you come over in a 3 dar bar raid at 20k +, capture a field, and I shoot you up, then try to land in a werble laden field I'm going to end your flight prematurely and call it justice.
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Ok so i will let some a-hole live who, maybe the very next day, has the potential to kill one of my buddies.
There is no chivalry in war. War should be brutal and swift.
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Oh... I thought you just wanted me to shoot off your gear for you... sorry!!!
its ok - I missed your gear anyways :devil
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Ok so i will let some a-hole live who, maybe the very next day, has the potential to kill one of my buddies.
There is no chivalry in war. War should be brutal and swift.
Always depends on the player.
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Ok so i will let some a-hole live who, maybe the very next day, has the potential to kill one of my buddies.
Or maybe even 5 minutes later...and then your buddy could re-up right away and kill him...and so on...and so on...
Like Shuffler said, it depends on the player. If it was a good fight and there's mutual respect, let him go. If he's a jerk, and/or you really care about your score, go ahead and finish him off. It's a game, so what does it matter one way or the other?
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i have let many damaged planes to fly home, of course like what shuffler said also holds true, there is just certain situations that I'm just not going to give up my advantages over other enemy cons in the area just to drop to the deck to finish him off so he gets the free pass home. Usually within 5 Min's or so i will either get a you shot down or an assist on (insert name) Message, damaged planes very seldom make it home anymore to many people are all about the kill and don't care how they get them. almost like the players that will check6 a player with no one behind him to get him to break off there target so they can get the kill, same with the ones who will clear a persons 12 lol seriously if i need help I'll call out :aok
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5 Min's or so i will either get a you shot down or an assist on (insert name) Message, damaged planes very seldom make it home anymore to many people are all about the kill and don't care how they get them.
That's a heavily biased and overly romanticized view of what goes on.
If a plane is damaged so badly but survives over 5 minutes, he probably crashed on landing.
If a plane takes a lot of damage but due to their own actions goes diving back into a fight to mindlessly furball, it is their own fight.
Sometimes picks happen to RTB damaged planes, but the way you present it the game is a cesspool of deplorable people.
That's not the case from my own observations.
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almost like the players that will check6 a player with no one behind him to get him to break off there target so they can get the kill
That happened to me once, where the guy that gave me the phony check6 was someone I had shot down not five minutes before. If you can't get a revenge kill, get a revenge steal? :rolleyes: :lol
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The only time I get annoyed is when someone takes me out on the re-arm pad. If it's an all out fight around the base then I'm fair game, but when one lone meat head (usually a P-51 pilot) decides to vulch me from 20,000 feet then that really gets my blood pressure boiling. Don't let me bump into you on the street, you so and so...
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Kill him, you're doing him a favor by getting him a new plane quicker :D
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Since no one is really dying, who cares?
On many occasions when completely shot to pieces but still flying, I'll put it straight and level and type 'free kill' on 200. If someone is that desperate for a kill, who am I to deny em?
On more then one occasion if a guy is shot up but somehow still flying, I'll let him go too. I figure he's earned the chance to get it home of he wants to. I know we've escorted guys like that back to base just for fun.
And I've sure killed a few lame ducks too
It would be an entirely different story if I really held the lives of other people in my hands. No doubt there were instances where pilots of all sides, knowing the other guy was going down, gave them a chance to get out. With the bombing campaign over Germany if a bomber dropped it's gear it was usually a sign it was bailing out the crew. The legend behind the idea of the "Bloody 100th" Bomb Group was that it was singled out by the LW for destruction because of such an incident where the German pilots held off and got in close to escort the 17 and the crew shot one down, raised the gear and tried to run.
I don't know that anyone ever confirmed that as fact, but the bomber crews believed it for a while.
In AH, someone dropping the gear might just mean they are going to try and bounce back into the air. Anyone who ever saw the film of Nomde (I think) on the deck in a fight, dropping his gear to bounce off the side of a hill, to stay in the fight, will know what I'm talking about. Having done it once in a 38 slow in a valley on the deck, it does work :)
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Batty put up a famous video of him getting an overshoot in FT by doing that and taking off again! :airplane:
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That's a heavily biased and overly romanticized view of what goes on.
If a plane is damaged so badly but survives over 5 minutes, he probably crashed on landing.
If a plane takes a lot of damage but due to their own actions goes diving back into a fight to mindlessly furball, it is their own fight.
Sometimes picks happen to RTB damaged planes, but the way you present it the game is a cesspool of deplorable people.
That's not the case from my own observations.
I'm glad you over dramatized that all on your own, it was a simple observation i have seen many times over. i'm sure others have to.
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If I pull off a damaged plane and 5 minutes later get a kill, I'll usually ask what happened. They are usually glad to tell you of their demise. Many times it's a pretty good story. I can relate to on my own attempted heavily damaged landings.
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I am the bad guy that shoots for score when you already surrendered. :t
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Yeah Krusty. After that stunt "Pickplepuss" pulled (deliberatly or not) the Luftwaffe singled them out for destruction. Crews from other bomber groups would cheer when they knew the 100th were on the mission. The average life of a 100th crew in 1943 was eleven missions. By wars end they had flown 306 missions, losing 229 planes and 785 men KIA/MIA and 894 POW.
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You do realize this is a game, right?
I never thought about it that way.
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It is generally accepted in WW2 that when a pilot lowers his landing gear in a dogfight, that it is his "white flag" (sans the F4U pilots :noid ). I'm not a good dog fighter, let me get that out, but I like the damage model. It gives a challenge. When your oil is over your windscreen, an elevator missing, and half your guns shot out, I find it quite "challenging" to end my fight and proceed home. I lost the fight, time to learn and keep trying. This is the time I descend to the deck, drop my gear (white flag) and limp home. But it astounds me the amount of people that will come burning in on reentry to come and get that last shot at me. You've got no defense and all of a sudden towering before you even hear a ping is quite frustrating. Do people really want their name is lights or what? I'm just dumbfounded...
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find them rearming and kill them :rofl
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Mat... make sure to post your reply OUTSIDE of the [/QUOTE] take, not inside it. Just FYI.
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You need to close out the quote tag with [/QUOTE]