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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Yarbles on October 24, 2011, 06:59:15 AM
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Anything but the ME410 and I'll be cheering :x
*fingers crossed*
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-1 to the Meteor
edit: The Beaufighter will pwn you
:D
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Chill, Winston.
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I have to say I just don't understand the desire to get the latest and greatest 1945 planes added to the game. It sort of baffles me that when we are missing some major combatants that saw service through a good chunk of the war, in some cases with multiple countries and multiple theaters of operation that we instead people are clamoring for another 1945 perk plane.
I just don't understand it, maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy before my time.
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I have to say I just don't understand the desire to get the latest and greatest 1945 planes added to the game. It sort of baffles me that when we are missing some major combatants that saw service through a good chunk of the war, in some cases with multiple countries and multiple theaters of operation that we instead people are clamoring for another 1945 perk plane.
I just don't understand it, maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy before my time.
I %100 agree with you. IMO, HTC should just start adding the obvious aircraft that are missing from the plane set. The He111 is probably the most glaring. The Pe-2, Tu-2, Beaufighter, Ki-43, Wellington, Halifax, MiG3, D520, and a number of others were made in significant numbers, made long and meaningful contributions to the war, and are sadly missed during scenarios.
As along as HTC allows the players to pick and choose, the more popular "flash-bang" aircraft are going to win the pollz.
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I have to say I just don't understand the desire to get the latest and greatest 1945 planes added to the game. It sort of baffles me that when we are missing some major combatants that saw service through a good chunk of the war, in some cases with multiple countries and multiple theaters of operation that we instead people are clamoring for another 1945 perk plane.
I just don't understand it, maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy before my time.
Sex
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As along as HTC allows the players to pick and choose, the more popular "flash-bang" aircraft are going to win the pollz.
Yup. In the minds of a lot of gamers, the only reason to add something new to a game is if it performs better than what's already available. That's why you see so many people wanting the late war biggest and best stuff like the B29, or the model of something we already have that has ZOMG 4x20mm.
Someone in one of these threads did have a point though. They put the meteor on the list so they obviously feel it deserves to be included in the game. Either that, or they're wanting to put it in so people stop clamoring for it. It's why I would do it, same with the B29. Just to get people to quit asking for it. ;) Hmm... now that I think about it... same with the M-18...
:noid
Wiley.
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They need to make the masses happy and just introduce a poll like this.
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They need to make the masses happy and just introduce a poll like this.
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff14/DeliriumP38/planevoting.jpg)
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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the Meteor never saw real combat in WW2, why should it be added?
There are a lot of Airplanes like the Ki43, Ju 52 HE111 Beaufighter which would give scenario and arena action a great add on value
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I have to say I just don't understand the desire to get the latest and greatest 1945 planes added to the game. It sort of baffles me that when we are missing some major combatants that saw service through a good chunk of the war, in some cases with multiple countries and multiple theaters of operation that we instead people are clamoring for another 1945 perk plane.
I just don't understand it, maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy before my time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWILhrSzw5o&feature=related
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In case you haven't noticed.......this is a first person shooter using WWII aircraft and vehicles.
No history at all involved in the MA. Same as Quake or Doom .......they just have different weapons.
I don't know any other way to explain it. This is by no means a WWII Combat Simulation unless one
flies Scenarios.........which btw has to substitute vehicles and aircraft for the ones we don't have.
Sorta like ordering at a Chinese restaurant.....you can substitute one from column A for column B.
Sims involve immersion. Immersion involves simulated realism. Historically speaking that isn't here.
This isn't a historical based flightsim. To each his own.
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In case you haven't noticed.......this is a first person shooter using WWII aircraft and vehicles.
No history at all involved in the MA. Same as Quake or Doom .......they just have different weapons.
I don't know any other way to explain it. This is by no means a WWII Combat Simulation unless one
flies Scenarios.........which btw has to substitute vehicles and aircraft for the ones we don't have.
Sorta like ordering at a Chinese restaurant.....you can substitute one from column A for column B.
Sims involve immersion. Immersion involves simulated realism. Historically speaking that isn't here.
This isn't a historical based flightsim. To each his own.
Wrong. From the Aces High (hitechcreations.com) home page:
"Aces High takes the art and science of vintage WW1 and WW2 air combat and sets it in a high intensity online multiplayer environment.
High fidelity flight simulation is the heart of Aces High..."
The Meteor did not engage in WW2 air combat. It does not belong in this sim.
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Don't be a duck.. The Meteor is right near the heart of WWII era air combat history. Way down the list if we're prioritizing, but certainly not off it.
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Wrong. From the Aces High (hitechcreations.com) home page:
"Aces High takes the art and science of vintage WW1 and WW2 air combat and sets it in a high intensity online multiplayer environment.
High fidelity flight simulation is the heart of Aces High..."
The Meteor did not engage in WW2 air combat. It does not belong in this sim.
But it did engage in ground strafing attacks.
Strafing targets (fields/buildings/etc) ARE in AH. therefore it qualifies it.
If this was a strict Air combat simulator, then the game would be nothing more than the DA, with no Tanks, No towns, No destructable objects. Just a bunch of planes zooming around eachother.
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I think the Meteor does have a place in AH, as usual it's just a matter of priorities. Meteor crews flew combat sorties and risked their lives like other servicemen. I just have a hard time seeing another late war plane getting added when there are so many other options out there, planes that that aren't in the game yet. Still lots of planes from the IJA that saw significant service at earlier dates, VVS seems under represented in the early and mid war realm. There are huge gaps in the EW and ME bomber options from the Luftwaffe, RAF, Italians, VVS, and despite the recent addition of the G4M there are still lots of good choices from the IJA and IJN.
I'm looking at planes that saw service in significant numbers for several years, with multiple countries in some cases and in multiple theaters of operations. Things that would add substantially to WW2 "feel" of Aces High in the MA, as well as greatly expand the possibilities of special events and custom arenas.
I don't buy into this idea that a plane has to be "competitive" in the late war to make it a viable addition to the game, I expect the latest and greatest will always see the most usage but lots of planes can be competitive under the right conditions, they add a welcome bit of diversity to the game and give it some character.
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But it did engage in ground strafing attacks.
Strafing targets (fields/buildings/etc) ARE in AH. therefore it qualifies it.
If this was a strict Air combat simulator, then the game would be nothing more than the DA, with no Tanks, No towns, No destructable objects. Just a bunch of planes zooming around eachother.
And when folks figure out the 262 is the better bird, the Meteor will fall by the wayside. This belief that it's a world beater will go away quickly.
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And when folks figure out the 262 is the better bird, the Meteor will fall by the wayside. This belief that it's a world beater will go away quickly.
I think it'll stay around as the poor mans 262.
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And when folks figure out the 262 is the better bird, the Meteor will fall by the wayside. This belief that it's a world beater will go away quickly.
If it were me, I would probably perk it at around tempest or 163 levels. That will make it attractive to many. Depending how it handles, if it costs half the perks and the enemy's using 262s, people might up a Meteor to hunt them.
Wiley.
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Wrong. From the Aces High (hitechcreations.com) home page:
"Aces High takes the art and science of vintage WW1 and WW2 air combat and sets it in a high intensity online multiplayer environment.
High fidelity flight simulation is the heart of Aces High..."
The Meteor did not engage in WW2 air combat. It does not belong in this sim.
You just verified that the MA is the full melee arena. HTC stated that in its' statement. Instead of laser science in combat
we're using WWII aircraft in a full bore all weapons available fight. Nothing historical there. Just the weapons from that time period.
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The Meteor is right near the heart of WWII era air combat history.
"Near the heart"? You're kidding, right? Maybe it's near YOUR heart -- if you like jets as representing WWII.
The Meteor was insignificant as a WWII aircraft -- seeing little action (not one air to air kill I am aware of) and having little, if any, impact on the outcome. Sadly, its insignificance may not affect the voting. Kids just want a shiny toy.
The historical relevance aside, though, how will introducing another jet into AH will have any positive impact on gameplay?
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It's near the heart of WWII air combat era in that it's a major player's (UK) first design in the paradigm shift that took over the late part of WWII - turbine power.
Citing kill stats is biased. The war was all but won.
This whole game is all shiny toys. We're not soldiers, this isn't a real war.
No comment on positive gameplay impact, other than... If it's a fun plane to fly, you couldn't argue against players the world over getting their rocks off getting their stick & rudder fix flying the thing.
Maybe it's near YOUR heart
gratuitous inaccurate and irrelevant ad hom
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Cmon Yak-3...i need you to win! :pray
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Important because of the design itself does not mean useful or helpful in winning the war. The Spruce Goose is quite an important design, for example. The Me323 Gigant was a very important design but as for actual usefulness? Almost not at all.
The Japanese first turbine design never made production, but surely it is as ground breaking as both the meteor and the Me262, no? What of the US's first jet?
Just because it's an important design in a country's technological development doesn't cement its place in WW2 history. My $0.03.
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the Meteor never saw real combat in WW2, why should it be added?
There are a lot of Airplanes like the Ki43, Ju 52 HE111 Beaufighter which would give scenario and arena action a great add on value
I'd have a very hard time telling a Meteor pilot that he didn't see real combat in it when he was attacking German airfields or risking his life shooting down V1s.
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This whole game is all shiny toys. We're not soldiers, this isn't a real war.
No comment on positive gameplay impact, other than... If it's a fun plane to fly, you couldn't argue against players the world over getting their rocks off getting their stick & rudder fix flying the thing
Agreed, it's not a real war. It's a game based on WWII, in which the Meteor was not significantly involved.
I would argue that flying a Meteor would be no more fun than flying a Ki-43 or any other plane for that matter. In fact, getting kills in a Ki-43 (or many other AC) would be MORE fun IMO, because it isn't nearly as easy to accomplish.
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De gustibus et coloribus..
The 262 is a thrill to fly alone into hordes. The Meteor ought to be too.
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Anything but the ME410 and I'll be cheering :x
*fingers crossed*
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I think the Meteor does have a place in AH, as usual it's just a matter of priorities. Meteor crews flew combat sorties and risked their lives like other servicemen. I just have a hard time seeing another late war plane getting added when there are so many other options out there, planes that that aren't in the game yet. Still lots of planes from the IJA that saw significant service at earlier dates, VVS seems under represented in the early and mid war realm. There are huge gaps in the EW and ME bomber options from the Luftwaffe, RAF, Italians, VVS, and despite the recent addition of the G4M there are still lots of good choices from the IJA and IJN.
I'm looking at planes that saw service in significant numbers for several years, with multiple countries in some cases and in multiple theaters of operations. Things that would add substantially to WW2 "feel" of Aces High in the MA, as well as greatly expand the possibilities of special events and custom arenas.
I don't buy into this idea that a plane has to be "competitive" in the late war to make it a viable addition to the game, I expect the latest and greatest will always see the most usage but lots of planes can be competitive under the right conditions, they add a welcome bit of diversity to the game and give it some character.
PErsonaly, the Japanese and Italian plane set have some of the largest gaping holes. I mean the best torpedo bomber of the war is missing, SM-79.
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De gustibus et coloribus..
The 262 is a thrill to fly alone into hordes. The Meteor ought to be too.
I take it you are all moved in and well rested. You seem to be on your BBS game again :)
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I just wouldn't fly the ME-410 *shrug*
I'd probably try the Beau at least once, but still...not really
Yak would get the most mileage for me I think :aok
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I just wouldn't fly the ME-410 *shrug*
I'd probably try the Beau at least once, but still...not really
Yak would get the most mileage for me I think :aok
same...but I really don't care what they add...just happy they are adding stuff. :aok
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De gustibus et coloribus..
The 262 is a thrill to fly alone into hordes. The Meteor ought to be too.
So, do we really need a second jet to serve your personal tastes?
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I think the BBS is being a bit selfish.
If the majority of players wish for the meteor, then let them have it. its the Majority that help keep the game alive. The majority always beats the minority.
I wanted the IAR-80 personally, but you dont see me creating topics whining about how some jet is getting added instead of my own preferred ride.
In the eyes of the majority, the ppl of the BBS would look the same to them, as the people of the BBS seem to look at them.
I can see what they'd say now..
Beau-"So you want an overwieght mossie that has a BB turret and a torpedo that it'll never use and will probably be left in the hanger for a real mossie after the first week?"
Me410"So you guys want an Overweight 110 with a 50mm cannon? why not just up a b25H with a 75mm cannon?"
Cant really say anything about the yak 3, i dont know much about it.
Point is, you guys should be thankful we're getting something at all.and that Hitech is nice enough to hold a poll for what WE want in the game.
Instead of just adding random A/C and being like "there ya go, Deal with it".
:salute
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It's not over till its over.....write in the PBY!!!!!!
999000 <S>
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Personally, I'd love to have all of the options.... That being said, I won't be disappointed by any new additions. As long as the game keeps progressing, I don't care whats added. It's a shame that the Beau didn't make it, but I'm sure it'll make an appearance eventually.
Maybe a two-fer? That'd be sweet.
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I think the BBS is being a bit selfish.
If the majority of players wish for the meteor, then let them have it. its the Majority that help keep the game alive. The majority always beats the minority.
I wanted the IAR-80 personally, but you dont see me creating topics whining about how some jet is getting added instead of my own preferred ride.
In the eyes of the majority, the ppl of the BBS would look the same to them, as the people of the BBS seem to look at them.
I can see what they'd say now..
Beau-"So you want an overwieght mossie that has a BB turret and a torpedo that it'll never use and will probably be left in the hanger for a real mossie after the first week?"
Me410"So you guys want an Overweight 110 with a 50mm cannon? why not just up a b25H with a 75mm cannon?"
Cant really say anything about the yak 3, i dont know much about it.
Point is, you guys should be thankful we're getting something at all.and that Hitech is nice enough to hold a poll for what WE want in the game.
Instead of just adding random A/C and being like "there ya go, Deal with it".
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It isn't even remotely possible in your mind that many of us are looking at the entire playground and not just the sand box that is the MA? Might that be the more unselfish way of looking at it? You do realize that there are special events that run just about every day of the week right? How many of those do you see built around the Meteor over 365 days? It isn't about getting the plane I want. As mentioned before, I'd be begging for the Spitfire XII. It would be nice to get the birds that cover the most ground including the MA.
To me the selfish approach is to only think of the MA and not the rest of AH as well.
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It isn't even remotely possible in your mind that many of us are looking at the entire playground and not just the sand box that is the MA? Might that be the more unselfish way of looking at it? You do realize that there are special events that run just about every day of the week right? How many of those do you see built around the Meteor over 365 days? It isn't about getting the plane I want. As mentioned before, I'd be begging for the Spitfire XII. It would be nice to get the birds that cover the most ground including the MA.
To me the selfish approach is to only think of the MA and not the rest of AH as well.
The meteor is being voted in because its what the Majority of Paying customers want.whether you agree with the situation or not is irrelevant. If the majority voted for an A/C which will keep them subscribed, then thats what HTC needs to put in. Im no data expert, but from what ive seen from scenarios and special events, Most of the time more people are in the MA than go to scenarios/events.
Dont take me for a meteor dwEEb who voted for it simply because i wanted the "latest and greatest", because like i stated, originally i wanted the IAR-80.
But what would you have HTC do? run the poll, the meteor win it, then HTC be like "lol jk, your not getting it, heres a plane the majority of you didn't even want instead"
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I think the Meteor does have a place in AH, as usual it's just a matter of priorities. Meteor crews flew combat sorties and risked their lives like other servicemen. I just have a hard time seeing another late war plane getting added when there are so many other options out there, planes that that aren't in the game yet. Still lots of planes from the IJA that saw significant service at earlier dates, VVS seems under represented in the early and mid war realm. There are huge gaps in the EW and ME bomber options from the Luftwaffe, RAF, Italians, VVS, and despite the recent addition of the G4M there are still lots of good choices from the IJA and IJN.
I'm looking at planes that saw service in significant numbers for several years, with multiple countries in some cases and in multiple theaters of operations. Things that would add substantially to WW2 "feel" of Aces High in the MA, as well as greatly expand the possibilities of special events and custom arenas.
I don't buy into this idea that a plane has to be "competitive" in the late war to make it a viable addition to the game, I expect the latest and greatest will always see the most usage but lots of planes can be competitive under the right conditions, they add a welcome bit of diversity to the game and give it some character.
I couldn't agree more :salute
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cant wait to see the meteor!!!
M.I.LF! :aok
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262 was used for many years?
Meteor had superior jet engines :old:
Jet engines invented by Whittle who was English :old:
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uhm sigh
democracy is fallen revolt!!
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you guys want American democracy, where some people's votes count for more than others :devil
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The meteor is being voted in because its what the Majority of Paying customers want.whether you agree with the situation or not is irrelevant. If the majority voted for an A/C which will keep them subscribed, then thats what HTC needs to put in. Im no data expert, but from what ive seen from scenarios and special events, Most of the time more people are in the MA than go to scenarios/events.
Dont take me for a meteor dwEEb who voted for it simply because i wanted the "latest and greatest", because like i stated, originally i wanted the IAR-80.
But what would you have HTC do? run the poll, the meteor win it, then HTC be like "lol jk, your not getting it, heres a plane the majority of you didn't even want instead"
The meteor may be voted in by players who's money and interest will be on something else tomorrow. The whole voting thing would be better off being in the CM forums where aircraft needed in the game can be voted on.
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I don't think I fully agree with that suggested approach.
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The meteor is being voted in because its what the Majority of Paying customers want.whether you agree with the situation or not is irrelevant. If the majority voted for an A/C which will keep them subscribed, then thats what HTC needs to put in. Im no data expert, but from what ive seen from scenarios and special events, Most of the time more people are in the MA than go to scenarios/events.
no it isn't...yank out the votes from dweebs and squeakers whose only real knowledge and interest in the meteor is that it's a kewl jet...the vote would be between the beaufighter and the me410.
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The meteor may be voted in by players who's money and interest will be on something else tomorrow. The whole voting thing would be better off being in the CM forums where aircraft needed in the game can be voted on.
I'd say it's pretty obvious what the glaring scenario holes are. They wouldn't really need to hold a vote for that. If they ever did that, the smart thing to do would be to keep it quiet and tell the CMs that mentioning the vote in any way will result in a permaban. People don't like it when people get to vote and they don't. ;)
The thing that bugs me about the Meteor is, it doesn't take Nostradamus to predict how it's going to go with most people:
Add Meteor.
Person says, 'Yay! New jet!' 'Woohoo! It's cheaper than the 262! I'm gonna fix those Jerry bastards!'
2 sorties later:
'WTF? I just got run down and killed by a 262 and I can't even outrun a diving pony?! BS! Why'd they add this thing if it's not better than the 262?'
'If I'm going to spend the perks, I'm gonna take the 262!'
etc...
In the end, a few diehards will fly it just to be different, but it will be a hangar queen for the vast majority.
Mark my words, after the shiny and new phase wears off (2 weeks to 2 months or so), we will see less Meteor usage than 262.
Wiley.
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The meteor may be voted in by players who's money and interest will be on something else tomorrow. The whole voting thing would be better off being in the CM forums where aircraft needed in the game can be voted on.
no it isn't...yank out the votes from dweebs and squeakers whose only real knowledge and interest in the meteor is that it's a kewl jet...the vote would be between the beaufighter and the me410.
Sorry, but im glad you 2 are not a part of HTC. Otherwise we'd have fixed voting polls reserved for only BBS members. the members of the BBS are not the only people who play the game.
And Gyrene, i like how you assume that people who vote for the meteor are automatic "dweebs" and "Squeekers". who's to determine who is a squeeker and who's not?
Im naming you Gyrene a squeeker, Because of how much you whine the word "Dweeb" and "squeeker". and for how much your whining about the meteor in general.
There gyrene, your now a squeeker, and are hereby not aloud to vote because of this.
Like i said, boo-hoo you guys arent getting your fat mossie that will be towered after the first week, and your fat 110 thats get an itty bitty 50mm on it.
Im not getting my IAR-80, but you dont seem me crying on the BBS all butthurt about it.
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Person says, 'Yay! New jet!' 'Woohoo! It's cheaper than the 262!
Of course, there is no guarantee that the Meteor (if selected!) will be perked lower than the 262. Both, after all, are in a completely separate class from all other fighters in the game. Someone has already suggested that the Meteor has some performance qualities superior to the 262. I would not be at all surprised if they were equally perked.
- oldman
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I wondered aloud if I was allowed to comment on somebody else's grammar, and decided not lest I be called a lout.
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While I would like to see plane holes plugged first I'll enjoy seeing whatever new toy is presented to us subscribers. It's like Christmas several times a year. Another thing to add is even though a vote is being taken for a single plane to go into production at HTC's studio, no one knows what is already on the drawing board over there. It could be just about anything... :banana: Who knows what will be announced? I for one am staying tuned! :aok
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The meteor will become food for the 262 jocks who don't get lured into turning.
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Keep in mind a vote isn't the only opportunity. It's the most immediate, the most fulfilling public spectacle to participate in, but if you recall not too long ago we just got 2 new P-40 variants and 2 new Panzer variants that nobody needed to vote for. We got an A6M3 that nobody needed to vote for. HTC is doing a lot of the hole-plugging on their own. I took this poll as a selfish opportunity, I must admit.
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The meteor will become food for the 262 jocks who don't get lured into turning.
Wise old farmer once said: "Do not count your chickens before the eggs hatch."
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The thing that bugs me about the Meteor is, it doesn't take Nostradamus to predict how it's going to go with most people:
Add Meteor.
Person says, 'Yay! New jet!' 'Woohoo! It's cheaper than the 262! I'm gonna fix those Jerry bastards!'
2 sorties later:
'WTF? I just got run down and killed by a 262 and I can't even outrun a diving pony?! BS! Why'd they add this thing if it's not better than the 262?'
'If I'm going to spend the perks, I'm gonna take the 262!'
etc...
In the end, a few diehards will fly it just to be different, but it will be a hangar queen for the vast majority.
Mark my words, after the shiny and new phase wears off (2 weeks to 2 months or so), we will see less Meteor usage than 262.
Wiley.
The Tempest is slower then the Me262 and can be caught by a diving Pony, does it make the Tempest a hanger queen? Hang on a second, do you know that planes have the ability to turn?
From the information I've read, the Meteor Mk. III looks like a Tempest on acid. It could even turn inside the Tempest.
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+1 for the meteor! Never heard so much whining over a plane or planes not winning :)
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Keep in mind a vote isn't the only opportunity. It's the most immediate, the most fulfilling public spectacle to participate in, but if you recall not too long ago we just got 2 new P-40 variants and 2 new Panzer variants that nobody needed to vote for. We got an A6M3 that nobody needed to vote for. HTC is doing a lot of the hole-plugging on their own. I took this poll as a selfish opportunity, I must admit.
I share the same point of view as you do Krusty. What chance does the Meteor Mk. III have of being added to Aces High unless via popular vote. I would take a wild guess and say slim, slim to none.
Seize the opportunity.
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Sorry, but im glad you 2 are not a part of HTC. Otherwise we'd have fixed voting polls reserved for only BBS members. the members of the BBS are not the only people who play the game.
And Gyrene, i like how you assume that people who vote for the meteor are automatic "dweebs" and "Squeekers". who's to determine who is a squeeker and who's not?
Im naming you Gyrene a squeeker, Because of how much you whine the word "Dweeb" and "squeeker". and for how much your whining about the meteor in general.
There gyrene, your now a squeeker, and are hereby not aloud to vote because of this.
Like i said, boo-hoo you guys arent getting your fat mossie that will be towered after the first week, and your fat 110 thats get an itty bitty 50mm on it.
Im not getting my IAR-80, but you dont seem me crying on the BBS all butthurt about it.
Ahhh you foolish little T. They are not complaining so much about "not getting the plane they want", but complaining on the stupidity of a vote.
It's like asking them to vote for their favorite ice cream out of chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry, with only 20% of the people voting ever having tasted any of those flavors.
The problem the vast majority haven't a clue as to what they are voting for.
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Of course, there is no guarantee that the Meteor (if selected!) will be perked lower than the 262. Both, after all, are in a completely separate class from all other fighters in the game. Someone has already suggested that the Meteor has some performance qualities superior to the 262. I would not be at all surprised if they were equally perked.
- oldman
Quite possibly. It will depend a lot on the variant they model too. My post assumes one of the earliest variants, but we'll just have to see.
Wiley.
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The Meteor Mk. III would be perked less then the Me.262. This I am sure of.
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Ahhh you foolish little T. They are not complaining so much about "not getting the plane they want", but complaining on the stupidity of a vote.
It's like asking them to vote for their favorite ice cream out of chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry, with only 20% of the people voting ever having tasted any of those flavors.
The problem the vast majority haven't a clue as to what they are voting for.
LOL. you call me foolish, and yet your so quick to assume everyone in-game who voted for the Meteor don't know what it is, or its combat history. and that you all are the only people qualified to decide what plane should be added and at what time.
I know the Meteor's combat history. I know of its role in WW2. I know of the role of both th beu and the me410. im a member of the BBS, and i still voted for the Meteor.(even tho originally i voted for the IAR-80).
I just proved your entire logic wrong. You, and half this board need to stop whining and assuming things so much. So we're getting a new jet. get over it. sheesh.
Crybabies, Crybabies every single one of you.
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I dont think we win yet T or do we :D
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The Tempest is slower then the Me262 and can be caught by a diving Pony, does it make the Tempest a hanger queen? Hang on a second, do you know that planes have the ability to turn?
So I've been told... ;)
People are going to think it's there to be a jet killer though. I honestly don't know enough about its attributes to comment on what niche it will find. So many planes can be used for so much more than people use them for ingame. P47s are decent high speed dogfighters, but off the top of my head I can only think of 3 or 4 guys that will turnfight with people, rather than BnZ and run in it.
From the information I've read, the Meteor Mk. III looks like a Tempest on acid. It could even turn inside the Tempest.
I never fly the Tempest, but it's what, half the perk cost of the 262? Great climb, speed, and acceleration. I'm going to guess the Meteor will suffer low speed acceleration issues similar to the 262, but I admit that's an assumption.
I've made my predictions for how I think it will be used, not how it is capable of being utilized by people who put in the time to learn it.
Wiley.
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I dont think we win yet T or do we :D
Not yet, but with this much Whining about the meteor when the poll is still running, imagine how many crybabies there will be if it DOES win. :bolt:
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At least you get to vote and feel like what you want matters to HTC.
HiTech and Pyro could simply sit down one morning the first of each year. Look at a list of new planes and vehicals to add and old planes and vehicals to update. Roll some 24 sided dice and feel fine for the rest of the year based on their high tech production scheduling choices setteled for that year. Then they make the big announcment that x,y,z will be released this year and a,b,c will be updated to the current art standards. Waffel locks himself in a closet and works his magic burping out masterpeices between bathroom breaks.
And what do we do then? Waaa HiTech are we ther yet? Waa Are we ther yet? And back to the original meaning of "TWO WEEKS".
Personaly I think it's better all around when they drop things on us out of the blue. We appreciate it more and squabble about something that exists in the game. Now we sound like two sides arguing why Rugby players are tougher than Triathletes.
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The problem the vast majority haven't a clue as to what they are voting for.
limp wristed elitist snobbery at its most mundane. Most people paying money to play in a WW2 combat game are going to have at least a partial clue. Lets say 25% minimum clue factor....
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The Meteor Mk. III would be perked less then the Me.262. This I am sure of.
Why I wonder? There seems to be quite a few folks in here that feel that it will be a turny monster. Maybe it should be perked the same as a 262.
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I have to agree... Not that I want the Meteor in the game, but IF it were, the Mk.III would be slower but in every other way better than the 262.
The Mk.I, probably a better representation of WW2 Meteors, would be pretty sub-par, though.
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limp wristed elitist snobbery at its most mundane. Most people paying money to play in a WW2 combat game are going to have at least a partial clue. Lets say 25% minimum clue factor....
you give too much credit yeager, especially considering the number of people who don't even look at the forums. if you were to ask what an iar80 was, 1 in 50 might be able to do something more than give you a blank stare and they would be older than 18. same with the yak3, beaufighter, d.520, hell the me410 as well.
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If we are going to get the Meteor, give us the Mk I please.
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you give too much credit yeager, especially considering the number of people who don't even look at the forums. if you were to ask what an iar80 was, 1 in 50 might be able to do something more than give you a blank stare and they would be older than 18. same with the yak3, beaufighter, d.520, hell the me410 as well.
what the hell is a iar80 lol
In my experience even the slowest planes go near 500mph straight down ;)
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In my experience even the slowest planes go near 500mph straight down ;)
:rofl :lol :rofl :lol true, very true :lol
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If we are going to get the Meteor, give us the Mk I please.
I can agree with this MkI FTW!
Edit: I found this not sure how true it is.
http://www.airpages.ru/eng/uk/gm1.shtml
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no, no ftw for you, good sir! :D
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I think if the Meteor gets added it is the Mk III that makes sense. That was the one that actually got shot at.
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True but we can still dream right? :)
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LOL. you call me foolish, and yet your so quick to assume everyone in-game who voted for the Meteor don't know what it is, or its combat history. and that you all are the only people qualified to decide what plane should be added and at what time.
I know the Meteor's combat history. I know of its role in WW2. I know of the role of both th beu and the me410. im a member of the BBS, and i still voted for the Meteor.(even tho originally i voted for the IAR-80).
I just proved your entire logic wrong. You, and half this board need to stop whining and assuming things so much. So we're getting a new jet. get over it. sheesh.
Crybabies, Crybabies every single one of you.
So much to say and so little time...but....you are right Tyrannis. Thank goodness we've got you around to clear things up for us. Without your wise words, we'd all still be headed down the wrong path. We stand corrected :aok
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Sorry, but im glad you 2 are not a part of HTC. Otherwise we'd have fixed voting polls reserved for only BBS members. the members of the BBS are not the only people who play the game.
And Gyrene, i like how you assume that people who vote for the meteor are automatic "dweebs" and "Squeekers". who's to determine who is a squeeker and who's not?
Im naming you Gyrene a squeeker, Because of how much you whine the word "Dweeb" and "squeeker". and for how much your whining about the meteor in general.
There gyrene, your now a squeeker, and are hereby not aloud to vote because of this.
Like i said, boo-hoo you guys arent getting your fat mossie that will be towered after the first week, and your fat 110 thats get an itty bitty 50mm on it.
Im not getting my IAR-80, but you dont seem me crying on the BBS all butthurt about it.
Your first line stopped me from reading any more of your post. You obviously did not read any of mine and you even quoted it. lol
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LOL. you call me foolish, and yet your so quick to assume everyone in-game who voted for the Meteor don't know what it is, or its combat history. and that you all are the only people qualified to decide what plane should be added and at what time.
I know the Meteor's combat history. I know of its role in WW2. I know of the role of both th beu and the me410. im a member of the BBS, and i still voted for the Meteor.(even tho originally i voted for the IAR-80).
I just proved your entire logic wrong. You, and half this board need to stop whining and assuming things so much. So we're getting a new jet. get over it. sheesh.
Crybabies, Crybabies every single one of you.
Again you have opened mouth only to insert your foot! Lets have a little class....
"Ahhh you foolish little T. They are not complaining so much about "not getting the plane they want", but complaining on the stupidity of a vote.
It's like asking them to vote for their favorite ice cream out of chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry, with only 20% of the people voting ever having tasted any of those flavors.
The problem the vast majority haven't a clue as to what they are voting for. "
Above is my post, please pay attention to the "bolded" phrases. By mentioning "20%" and "vast majority" I am saying alot of the people voting havn't a clue. No where did I say "all of the people". Be that as it may, even having the information you have whose to say you made the right choice any way? :devil
My entire post was that the people posting here are NOT complaining so much about which plane gets in, but how the vote will be decided by those lacking knowledge to make a clear decision based on facts other than "Hey that would be cool!".
Personally I don't care which gets in....tho I'm pretty sure it will be the Meteor. If it's fun to fly, I'll fly it, if not I won't, may subscription is paid up for another year either way.
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Again you have opened mouth only to insert your foot! Lets have a little class....
"Ahhh you foolish little T. They are not complaining so much about "not getting the plane they want", but complaining on the stupidity of a vote.
It's like asking them to vote for their favorite ice cream out of chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry, with only 20% of the people voting ever having tasted any of those flavors.
The problem the vast majority haven't a clue as to what they are voting for. "
Above is my post, please pay attention to the "bolded" phrases. By mentioning "20%" and "vast majority" I am saying alot of the people voting havn't a clue. No where did I say "all of the people". Be that as it may, even having the information you have whose to say you made the right choice any way? :devil
My entire post was that the people posting here are NOT complaining so much about which plane gets in, but how the vote will be decided by those lacking knowledge to make a clear decision based on facts other than "Hey that would be cool!".
Personally I don't care which gets in....tho I'm pretty sure it will be the Meteor. If it's fun to fly, I'll fly it, if not I won't, may subscription is paid up for another year either way.
Your argument is still GREATLY flawed from the fact that how do you know "Most" people dont know what the meteor is? or the beau? or the me410?
Are you a mind reader? If you are, then your argument is valid. If not, your argument is pure speculation. which is irrelevant.
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Your argument is still GREATLY flawed from the fact that how do you know "Most" people dont know what the meteor is? or the beau? or the me410?
Are you a mind reader? If you are, then your argument is valid. If not, your argument is pure speculation. which is irrelevant.
I voted to have Tyrannis removed from BBS can i get some vote support?
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Your argument is still GREATLY flawed from the fact that how do you know "Most" people dont know what the meteor is? or the beau? or the me410?
Are you a mind reader? If you are, then your argument is valid. If not, your argument is pure speculation. which is irrelevant.
I'm going on over 10 years of experience in this game and thousands upon thousands of hours in the arenas. Watch the text box and you can read how stupid or un-inform most of the players are. Heck I see people who have been here for years post questions I couldn't believe they didn't know the answer to.
Trust me, the "masses" are dumb, so dumb they just don't know it yet. :aok
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I voted to have Tyrannis removed from BBS can i get some vote support?
i support this.
BTW, just because im not a historian/ww2 guru and didnt know what the meteor was, does that make me stupid fugi?
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just be happy the A26 or any other american plane wasn't in the vote.
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I'm going on over 10 years of experience in this game and thousands upon thousands of hours in the arenas. Watch the text box and you can read how stupid or un-inform most of the players are. Heck I see people who have been here for years post questions I couldn't believe they didn't know the answer to.
Trust me, the "masses" are dumb, so dumb they just don't know it yet. :aok
I have played this game for 7 years, off and on. Granted, i started out in 8 player, and when that got deleted i could only play offline until late 08.
You shouldnt judge the whole community by the rambling on 200. Just like you shouldn't judge the whole community simply by those on the BBS. It's still a very flawed observation.
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just be happy the A26 or any other american plane wasn't in the vote.
I agree %100. Thankfully the A26 never saw the light of day and lets hope HTC understands the importance of many many many other aircraft get added to AH prior to that damned thing. ;)
:D
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i support this.
BTW, just because im not a historian/ww2 guru and didnt know what the meteor was, does that make me stupid fugi?
...well if the shoe fits :devil
Maybe it was just a poor choice of words. How about instead of "stupid" we call them "un-informed"
I have played this game for 7 years, off and on. Granted, i started out in 8 player, and when that got deleted i could only play offline until late 08.
You shouldnt judge the whole community by the rambling on 200. Just like you shouldn't judge the whole community simply by those on the BBS. It's still a very flawed observation.
So your telling me that if you go to a party of 40-50 people, after an hour or so of walking around and listening to conversations you still haven't a clue as to which people you should avoid, which might be interesting, which may have things in common with you?
The BBS and the arenas are pretty much the same. I have met 20+ people from the game, and while what they looked like in some case really surprised me the type of person/personality didn't not. Sure there are some who claim to have "personas", but I think you would be surprised, as they might that in most cases what you see is what you get.
Human nature is what it is, it doesn't change very much.
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So your telling me that if you go to a party of 40-50 people, after an hour or so of walking around and listening to conversations you still haven't a clue as to which people you should avoid, which might be interesting, which may have things in common with you?
The BBS and the arenas are pretty much the same. I have met 20+ people from the game, and while what they looked like in some case really surprised me the type of person/personality didn't not. Sure there are some who claim to have "personas", but I think you would be surprised, as they might that in most cases what you see is what you get.
Human nature is what it is, it doesn't change very much.
The Deciding factor in your example is How many people at that party actually engage in public conversation. How many do you actually talk to? 7?10?12?
Say you only hear 12 people in conversation, is that a good enough observation to judge the other 38 out of 50 people? I'd hope not.
Take Scorpion for example, if you were at that party, and you overheard scorpion's conversation of him foolishly trying to convince people that a p47D11 can easily outperform a f6f Hellcat, Would you judge me, someone who hasn't even spoken to you yet, because of his conversation? i'd hope not. I don't think you should judge the group as a whole by the stupidity of a few. And that few im speaking of is those who ramble on in chat.
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They need to make the masses happy and just introduce a poll like this.
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff14/DeliriumP38/planevoting.jpg)
Del wants a poll like this:
( ) P-38 H
( ) P-38 H
( ) Boulton Paul Defiant
( ) P-38 H
:bolt:
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I don't want the P38H; it is redundant and covered well by the 38G and J.
I'd rather see something that fills the holes in the plane set, instead of an aircraft that won't get much play in a scenario environment and even less play in the MA.
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whoops. farted the wrong direction.
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nvm
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How do I remove Skorpion and Tyrannis from my accounts version of the BBs?
I've had my fill the rest of my AH days.
:salute
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(http://mgoblog.com/sites/mgoblog.com/files/mgoupload/DearDiaryResignsfortheGoodoftheNation_AB67/georgeeatingpopcorn.gif)
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The Deciding factor in your example is How many people at that party actually engage in public conversation. How many do you actually talk to? 7?10?12?
Say you only hear 12 people in conversation, is that a good enough observation to judge the other 38 out of 50 people? I'd hope not.
Take Scorpion for example, if you were at that party, and you overheard scorpion's conversation of him foolishly trying to convince people that a p47D11 can easily outperform a f6f Hellcat, Would you judge me, someone who hasn't even spoken to you yet, because of his conversation? i'd hope not. I don't think you should judge the group as a whole by the stupidity of a few. And that few im speaking of is those who ramble on in chat.
Again, you don't read and comprehend so well do you. Remember the part where I said I have been here over 10 years strait, with thousands and thousands of hours in the game? I think that is a much wider sampling and can easily be used to come to a conclusion. Also remember that human nature abounds outside of this game and with over 50 years experience at real life I can also use that to help me come to these conclusions.
I see hundreds of people who have been playing this game for months and years even, every week who STILL don't understand how to dogfight, how to dive bomb WITHOUT augering their plane. I'm am VERY sure that the majority of the people who are voting haven't a clue about each of the planes on the list.
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. I'm am VERY sure that the majority of the people who are voting haven't a clue about each of the planes on the list.
If this was true, then how is it possible for the meteor to be voted in simply because its the "latest and greatest" uber ride most of you have been saying the "Dweebs" are wanting?
They know nothing about it, so how do they know enough about it to think its an uber ride if they haven't a clue about the jet at all?
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Watch out T the next Cartoon will be about you!!! :)
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Watch out T the next Cartoon will be about you!!! :)
He's already got one :aok
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Watch out T the next Cartoon will be about you!!! :)
He's already graced me with Cartoon fame :D
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Oh snap!
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I get the point :D
Meteor is out :)
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Wise old farmer once said: "Do not count your chickens before the eggs hatch."
I've already done the matchup many times from both planes with some pretty accurate flight modeling.
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Again, you don't read and comprehend so well do you. Remember the part where I said I have been here over 10 years strait, with thousands and thousands of hours in the game? I think that is a much wider sampling and can easily be used to come to a conclusion. Also remember that human nature abounds outside of this game and with over 50 years experience at real life I can also use that to help me come to these conclusions.
I see hundreds of people who have been playing this game for months and years even, every week who STILL don't understand how to dogfight, how to dive bomb WITHOUT augering their plane. I'm am VERY sure that the majority of the people who are voting haven't a clue about each of the planes on the list.
This is true.
I see guys who have been flying since 1994 and they are still making the same mistakes 15 times a day that they were making in 1994.
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I see guys who have been flying since 1994 and they are still making the same mistakes 15 times a day that they were making in 1994.
Hey! I heard that!
- oldman
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So, do we really need a second jet to serve your personal tastes?
I never voted for it
I don't think and never argued it was for my personal taste
Everyone who votes is almost surely doing it thru "Selfish" personal taste
Everyone's vote is equal IE their taste is no more or less important than yours - this one sinks your question/argument on its own
And the Meteor would IMO be a more fair jet to have than the 262. The 262 gets clobbered if it's caught slow. Ask any seasoned jug or 38 or 51 or 152 (etc) pilot. The Meteor is even slower. And it's a jet, not a prop with props' low end acceleration. I mean other than the historian's cringe at how much of an "aberration" it is, there's not much reason to not want the Meteor. It was in the war. It wouldn't unbalance the arena any more than the 262 does. It'd be fun for many people. That's pretty much all it takes.
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I never voted for it
I don't think and never argued it was for my personal taste
Everyone who votes is almost surely doing it thru "Selfish" personal tasteEveryone's vote is equal IE their taste is no more or less important than yours - this one sinks your question/argument on its own
And the Meteor would IMO be a more fair jet to have than the 262. The 262 gets clobbered if it's caught slow. Ask any seasoned jug or 38 or 51 or 152 (etc) pilot. The Meteor is even slower. And it's a jet, not a prop with props' low end acceleration. I mean other than the historian's cringe at how much of an "aberration" it is, there's not much reason to not want the Meteor. It was in the war. It wouldn't unbalance the arena any more than the 262 does. It'd be fun for many people. That's pretty much all it takes.
I think I am an exception. Despite my wanting the Beau more than anything in the poll, I voted for the Ki-43 in the first round.
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I think it'll stay around as the poor mans 262.
i'm just cheap :bolt:
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I think I am an exception. Despite my wanting the Beau more than anything in the poll, I voted for the Ki-43 in the first round.
From how close it was..... your vote may have been the factor of the beau not making it. :D
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I think I am an exception. Despite my wanting the Beau more than anything in the poll, I voted for the Ki-43 in the first round.
Buster,
I think that I would have enjoyed the Meteor, and will welcome any new addition as well, but I too chose the Ki43 in my first round voting, feeling it would both round out Japanese "fighters" and be the most used of the choices. I think the Me410 and Beaufighter maybe would be close or arguably better utilized in game, who knows. The Yak3 does interest me as well, for matters of besting performance (depending on which variant was modeled). I am just a bit too slopy a gunner to have such few seconds of cannons.
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From how close it was..... your vote may have been the factor of the beau not making it. :D
The Beau did make it, so his vote was factually not the factor.