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Title: Bréguet 693
Post by: TwinBoom on October 24, 2011, 02:37:46 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/jcarlosroc/Breguet.jpg?t=1270094637)
General characteristics

    Crew: two, pilot and rear gunner
    Length: 9.67 m (31 ft 9 in)
    Wingspan: 15.37 m (50 ft 5 in)
    Height: 3.19 m (10 ft 6 in)
    Wing area: 29.2 m² (314 ft²)
    Empty weight: 3,675 kg (8,101 lb)
    Useful load: 5,420 kg (11,949 lb)
    Max takeoff weight: 5,500 kg (12,125 lb)
    Powerplant: 2 × Gnome-Rhône 14M-6/7, 522 kW (700 hp) each

Performance

    Maximum speed: 490 km/h (304 mph)
    Range: 1,350 km (839 mi)
    Service ceiling: 8,500 m (27,885 ft)
    Rate of climb: 9.25 m/s (1,822 ft/min)

Armament

    Guns: 1 × fixed, forward-firing 20 mm Hispano-Suiza cannon
    2 × fixed, forward-firing 7.5 mm (.295 in) MAC 1934 machine guns
    1 × flexible, rearward-firing 7.5 mm (.295 in) MAC 1934 machine gun in rear cockpit
    1 × fixed, rearward-firing 7.5 mm (.295 in) MAC 1934 machine gun in ventral position
    Bombs: 460 kg (1,014 lb)
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: Ping on October 24, 2011, 02:44:21 PM
 :huh

 :rofl A mutated and Pregnant Beaufighter.
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: gyrene81 on October 24, 2011, 02:45:13 PM
 :huh  what is that thing?  :lol

looks like something from a mad max movie...pieced together scraps.
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: TwinBoom on October 24, 2011, 02:49:10 PM
French ground attack fighter. Does everyone think French just saw Luftwaffe and just waived white flags ?
We need diversity plane and country wise not the 1945 fast cannon rides.
Some of us guys like the early/mid-war props

 :frown:
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: Fish42 on October 24, 2011, 03:02:57 PM
No point Twin. they will have a vote and another LW plane will win.

This plane looks like it could turn pretty well and the fire power is fine for an early bird.
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: gyrene81 on October 24, 2011, 03:07:31 PM
you gotta admit, the french made some butt ugly and mostly ineffective aircraft...

ms.406
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/images12/1.gif)

mb152
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/images12/5.gif)

d.520 (looks like a modified mig3)
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/images12/24.gif)
(http://www.aviapress.com/engl/icm/icm48051_3.jpg)

arsenal vg33
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/images12/3.gif)

amiot 350
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/images12/7.gif)
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: Tyrannis on October 24, 2011, 03:11:58 PM
10 perkies this will become the new beau-level requested A/C that will generate many whine threads when it's voted out of the poll.  ;)
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: Pigslilspaz on October 24, 2011, 03:16:41 PM
10 perkies this will become the new beau-level requested A/C that will generate many whine threads when it's voted out of the poll.  ;)

nope, my biggest fight for this craft is that it saw action EVERYWHERE. I don't think this flying egg did.
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: TwinBoom on October 24, 2011, 03:19:35 PM
I guess books are a thing of the past
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: Noir on October 24, 2011, 03:26:20 PM
(http://aerostories.free.fr/profils/Bre693/img0.jpg)

the flying fish  :)
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: Noir on October 24, 2011, 03:43:10 PM
good read http://aerostories.free.fr/dossiers/AA/Bre693/ google trad should be able to squeeze something from it. That plane was only used to drop delayed (7s) bombs on german convoys, without much success tho...but it looks like the performance was ok for its time  :aok
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: titanic3 on October 24, 2011, 03:46:27 PM
How's the ballistic of that 20mm? Not good I assume?

And if it gets added (big IF), it'll be the second aircraft to have a non-forward fixed gun.  :aok
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: Karnak on October 24, 2011, 03:52:12 PM
How's the ballistic of that 20mm? Not good I assume?

And if it gets added (big IF), it'll be the second aircraft to have a non-forward fixed gun.  :aok
It is the same gun as on the Spitfire Mk Vb. 880 meters per second at the muzzle.
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: morfiend on October 24, 2011, 03:54:11 PM
How's the ballistic of that 20mm? Not good I assume?

And if it gets added (big IF), it'll be the second aircraft to have a non-forward fixed gun.  :aok


 The 20 mm is a hispano! a MkI with a 60 round drum but still a hispano. As for the nonforward fixed gun??? where does it say that?

 I'm all for some early French planes,TB I think your right..... No one reads anymore! :aok



    :salute


 Edit: sorry Karnak didnt mean to repeat you.
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: titanic3 on October 24, 2011, 04:11:00 PM
    1 × fixed, rearward-firing 7.5 mm (.295 in) MAC 1934 machine gun in ventral position

Probably just dead weight in AH, but a nice mix-up.
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: TwinBoom on October 24, 2011, 06:45:36 PM


And if it gets added (big IF), it'll be the second aircraft to have a non-forward fixed gun.  :aok


read it has 3 forward guns 1 rear dorsal and 1 rear ventral

for a total of 5 guns not to mention 1000lbs of ord
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: titanic3 on October 24, 2011, 06:49:58 PM

read it has 3 forward guns 1 rear dorsal and 1 rear ventral

for a total of 5 guns not to mention 1000lbs of ord

I never said it didn't have any other guns. Why would not read your post but quote it anyway?  :lol

Let's make this clear. The Ar-234 is the only plane with rearward firing guns that is FIXED.
If this was added, it would be the second, albeit, firing downward, but still rearward, FIXED gun.

Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: caldera on October 24, 2011, 06:51:16 PM
I would fly that crate. :aok  And the mb.152 is not nearly as awkward looking as the d.520.
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: Megalodon on October 24, 2011, 09:35:14 PM
you gotta admit, the french made some butt ugly and mostly ineffective aircraft...

ms.406
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/images12/1.gif)

mb152
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/images12/5.gif)

d.520 (looks like a modified mig3)
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/images12/24.gif)
(http://www.aviapress.com/engl/icm/icm48051_3.jpg)

arsenal vg33
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/images12/3.gif)

amiot 350
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/images12/7.gif)


 If it was up to me I would add all of those except the Arsenal which only 12 were delivered  :aok

Just because the French were 1 of the early countries taken out they absolutely deserve a spot in this game as do a few other country's



Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: lyric1 on October 24, 2011, 09:40:06 PM
Ugly enough to be cool. :aok
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: Butcher on October 24, 2011, 11:22:29 PM
French ground attack fighter. Does everyone think French just saw Luftwaffe and just waived white flags ?
We need diversity plane and country wise not the 1945 fast cannon rides.
Some of us guys like the early/mid-war props

 :frown:


Well the french did plant palm tree's down the highway into Paris, so the Germans would march in the shade.

/Seriously great find, I would vote for it with a side order of He-111 and dessert order of tator tots.
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: Noir on October 25, 2011, 02:34:04 AM

read it has 3 forward guns 1 rear dorsal and 1 rear ventral

for a total of 5 guns not to mention 1000lbs of ord

it used 10x50kg delayed fuze bombs
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: mthrockmor on October 25, 2011, 08:29:11 AM
This is slightly off target but in looking at those French designs, did not the last one basically look like a Yak? I've seen design specs for a 1960's era jet that Mirage did not build. It was a single engine, high, swing-wing super sonice attack plane. It looks almost identical to the later Mig-23/27 bird. There is almost no chance the Russians/Soviets designed the Mig-23/27 and it just accidentally looks like the French plane. Did the French collaborate with the Russians/Soviets as early as the 1940's?

Boo
Title: Re: Bréguet 693
Post by: Noir on October 25, 2011, 12:52:00 PM
no colaboration that I know of. One problem doesn't always have many solutions, See mig15 and f86.