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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: DMVIAGRA on October 28, 2011, 05:45:44 AM
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I'll add more to the list in the future....
M3 Lee
(http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/pics/m3a1lee.jpg)
Dimensions
Weight:
27.2 t
Length:
5.64 m
Width:
2.72 m
Height:
3.12 m
Armour
Armour (range):
13-57 mm
Performance
Speed (max):
42 km/h
Armament
Main weapon:
75 mm Gun, M3 (1)
Secondary weapon:
37 mm tank gun (1)
.30 cal. Browning Machine Gun (3)
BT-7
(http://www.echoofwars.com/BT%207%20for.jpg)
Dimensions
Weight:
11,5 t
Length:
5,58 m
Width:
2,23 m
Height:
2,25 m
Armour
Armour:
13 mm
Performance
Maximum speed:
86 km/h
Armament
Main weapon:
45 mm tank gun
MK II Matilda
(http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/GreatBritain/GB-Infantry-Matilda1-Mk2.jpg)
Dimensions
Weight:
26,5 t
Length:
5,92 m
Width:
2,51 m
Height:
2,39 m
Armour
Armour:
80 mm
Performance
Maximum speed:
24 km/h
Armament
Main weapon:
40 mm tank gun
Secondary weapon:
7,92 mm machine gun
Hotchkiss H-39
(http://www.tbof.us/images/tanks/h35/h35.jpg)
Dimensions
Weight:
11 t
Length:
4.22 m
Width:
1.95 m
Height:
2.15 m
Armour
Armour:
40 mm
Performance
Speed:
28 km/h
Armament
Main weapon:
37 mm SA18 (1)
Secondary weapon:
7,5 mm Reibel (1)
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Since they removed the interiors to make modelling quicker and easier, I see no reason to not start adding more Early War vehicles.
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The German Panzer III J/J1 (with both short/long barreled 50mm), British Valentine IV /IX (both 40mm and 57mm), and Soviet T70 (45mm) tanks would be the best additions for the EW arenas and AH. All three were very numerous and very important to each country in the early stages of the war.
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Why the m3 lee hasent been added yet is a mystery. Its like leaving the p40 out of the american lineup.
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:salute i agree to have these tanks. but anyone notice that the bt7 and the french tank have bling? food for thought. oh btw didnt us called that m3 grant and the british call them lees?
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Those tanks suck in wot against similar tanks and the fights are at less than 500 meters imagine putting them here against better tanks.
Semp
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Those tanks suck in wot against similar tanks and the fights are at less than 500 meters imagine putting them here against better tanks.
Semp
If these types of tanks were added, Other Late EW tanks like the panzer IV F and t34 would most likely be perked.
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Those tanks suck in wot against similar tanks and the fights are at less than 500 meters imagine putting them here against better tanks.
Semp
:bhead
First, do NOT compare WoT game play vs AH, they are different things entirely. Secondly, you need to be reminded that the focus is EARLY war, not your standard of late war Tiger, Panther, M18, etc. If you compare anything, compare the T34/76, T70, Valentine IV, M3 Grant/Lee, M3/75mm half-track, Panzer IV F1, and Panzer III J/J1. Focus. :aok
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If these types of tanks were added, Other Late EW tanks like the panzer IV F and t34 would most likely be perked.
Possibly with a 1 and a much lower ENY. The rate of fire for the T34/76 is so slow that getting in to range of it to defeat the armor may not be all that difficult.
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If these types of tanks were added, Other Late EW tanks like the panzer IV F and t34 would most likely be perked.
none of those tanks could kill the panzer or the t34. take for example the bt7, I get into battles with tanks 2-3 tiers above me and all they is look at me until they get tired of me pinging them from behind then they turn and I die in one shot.
these tanks were nothing but coffins on wheels of a bygone era. they were present in ww2 because there was nothing better available for everybody. what I find funny is people play wot then come here and try to post what they see over there. I wish they would also think about how exactly would you use these tanks? they cant kill a building, or any of the current tanks, well perhaps the jeep or the m3. it's like the tiger in mw, up one and you will kill all the other tanks, unless you are dumb enough to let them get close to you.
but threads like these are nothing more than hey I play wot.
here I"ll give you an example of how well regarded the bt7 is in wot. not even gonna mention the hotchkiss or the matila as they are so slow they wont be used at all.
http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/20555-tips-for-using-the-bt-7/
one last comment, guess what happened to hundreds of bt7's on the battle field?
semp
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Panzer III Ausf. E
Panzer III Ausf. J
Panzer III Ausf. L
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none of those tanks could kill the panzer or the t34. take for example the bt7, I get into battles with tanks 2-3 tiers above me and all they is look at me until they get tired of me pinging them from behind then they turn and I die in one shot.
these tanks were nothing but coffins on wheels of a bygone era. they were present in ww2 because there was nothing better available for everybody. what I find funny is people play wot then come here and try to post what they see over there. I wish they would also think about how exactly would you use these tanks? they cant kill a building, or any of the current tanks, well perhaps the jeep or the m3. it's like the tiger in mw, up one and you will kill all the other tanks, unless you are dumb enough to let them get close to you.
but threads like these are nothing more than hey I play wot.
here I"ll give you an example of how well regarded the bt7 is in wot. not even gonna mention the hotchkiss or the matila as they are so slow they wont be used at all.
http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/20555-tips-for-using-the-bt-7/
one last comment, guess what happened to hundreds of bt7's on the battle field?
semp
Again, you're comparison of WoT and AH is quite unbecoming. They are 2 very different platforms with 2 very different objectives.
You are making comparisons between the LW tanks and the EW tanks, which is not what you need to be doing. I doubt you will find anyone that will argue that the Pzr III is inferior to the Panther, but that isn't the point. Currently, the EW server and EW scenarios can use the Pzr IV F and the T34/76. If the Pzr III, Valentine, or BT7/T60/T70 were added, it was add more diversity to the EARLY WAR tank set, that is it. It isnt about the EW vs LW tanks or EW tanks in the LW arena, it is about filling in tank sets.
The German 5cm KwK 39 L/60, British 2 Pdr (40mm), and Soviet 45mm 20K M34 L/46 all have enough AP ability within 1000 yards to make the Panzer IV and T34/76 think twice about being the king of the battlefield.
Also, if you say "these tanks were nothing but coffins on wheels of a bygone era. they were present in ww2 because there was nothing better available for everybody.", then that tells me you seriously fail to understand the transgression of warfare and tank development from 1936 to 1945. Obviously, SOP, tactics, and logistics played a major role in why each country did what they did and developed the material and tools they ended up with. FWIW, I've not ever really endorsed the slower Churchill or Matilda tanks, in AH simply because of their 15mph max speed they would be left behind.
Of course each of those tank could take down a town building, it will take more shots but then again those smaller caliber tanks were not meant to engage soft targets generally, hence the Panzer IV and larger type "infantry support tanks". Those smaller caliber tanks will have a much higher rate of fire to make up for the lesser HE effect. Based on the current AH standards, these intermediate calibers will take 5-7 shots to take down a building. Add in about a 3 second reload rate and at most it will take one of these EW tanks 21 seconds to bring down a building. By comparison, the T34/76 can bring down a building in 2 shots over 18 seconds. Two peas in a pod, I say.
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I am only comparing wot and ah because this ideas for tanks are coming from wot. you cannot tell me that all of a sudden people starting researching tanks. if any of this tanks proposed gets added, it will just add 3 more tanks that will be guaranteed to get killed in any scenario. unless you add more really crappy axis tanks to ew and for them to be used only in scenarios only. and then ban the more advanced tanks for they will easily kill the slower tanks. reminds me of the time we had metal sunday. the allied tanks got slaughtered by the tigers.
so you are talking about adding 6 or 7 tanks that will hardly get used due to them being ineffective even in scenarios, when the time could be better spent on airplanes.
out of curiosity how often are ew scenarios played?
semp
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I am only comparing wot and ah because this ideas for tanks are coming from wot. you cannot tell me that all of a sudden people starting researching tanks. if any of this tanks proposed gets added, it will just add 3 more tanks that will be guaranteed to get killed in any scenario. unless you add more really crappy axis tanks to ew and for them to be used only in scenarios only. and then ban the more advanced tanks for they will easily kill the slower tanks. reminds me of the time we had metal sunday. the allied tanks got slaughtered by the tigers.
so you are talking about adding 6 or 7 tanks that will hardly get used due to them being ineffective even in scenarios, when the time could be better spent on airplanes.
out of curiosity how often are ew scenarios played?
semp
Again, you are making assumptions that LW "best of the best" tanks will be up against the "crappy" EW tanks. You're missing the point entirely. Perhaps a a few Tiger tanks will get worked in to some EW North Africa scenarios, but they would be few and far between. Nothing a few fast moving M3/75mm could not deal with, a close shot to the Tiger's side of rear would suffice.
If there is an EW scenario in North Africa, with the Allies having the M4/75, M3/75, Valentine IV, and M8 vs the Axis having the Panzer IV F, Panzer III J, and a few Tigers the battle will be fairly even. If the scenario is on the Ost Front and the Allies have the BT7 or T60 and T34/76 vs the Panzer III J and Panzer IV F1/F2, again the battle would be more fair than you think. The T34/76 would be a handful to deal with no doubt, but you are making it sound as if the T34/76 is as capable as a Tiger II in shrugging rounds off.
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did you notice the size of the gun on the bt7?
semp
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did you notice the size of the gun on the bt7?
semp
Most of the Soviet EW tanks had the 45mm 20K Mod 34, L/46, while it is on the bottom of the pile in relation to other main guns of EW tanks, it certainly is within the ballpark of the smaller calibers. At 1500 yards it can penetrate 15mm of armor, not much but vs other typical light tanks of the EW era... adequate. The German 37mm Kw.K. 36 L/46.5, British 40mm Q.F. 2 Pdr Mk.IX L/50, and the US 37mm M6 L/53 all are in the same category but with slightly better numbers. Step up to the German 50mm and British/US 57mm and we're talking even better AP numbers and longer ranges typically.
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I am only comparing wot and ah because this ideas for tanks are coming from wot. you cannot tell me that all of a sudden people starting researching tanks.
You have a very short memory. Requests for earlier tanks have peppered this forum regularly since well before WoT came along. PzIII, BT-7, French and Brit tanks were all regularly requested even well before we had the Sherman.
But, if you insist on comparing to WoT, one thing you fail to consider in a theortecial M3 Lee vs. Panther scenario is that in AH, one shot that penetrates will KO a tank. "Tiers" make no difference.
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oh btw didnt us called that m3 grant and the british call them lees?
The US called them "Medium Tank, M3." Lee and Grant (like "Sherman" to come after) were British nicknames that eventually caught on because names are more easily remembered than numbers. The Brits requested a redesigned turret very early on, and the M3 was called either a Lee (US turret) or Grant (Brit turret) based on that.
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did you notice the size of the gun on the bt7?
semp
did you ever see a 37mm manned gun firing HE kill a T-34, how about an M-8? I have.....from all four sides; I have no doubt that a fair-to-good AH tanker will be able to use that 45mm on the BT-7 to good effect against a T-34 in the EW arena. As some others have suggested, I will reiterate: stop comparing AH to WoT. AH= Actual History, WoT = World of Fantasy tanks.
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Killed Panther tanks with an M8. Killed T-34's with M8's. Killed Tiger I's with M4(75)'s. If I could manage that, then I would have no problem using a 45mm gun to kill a Panzer III, or an M3 Stuart, or even the rare T-34.
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Killed Panther tanks with an M8. Killed T-34's with M8's. Killed Tiger I's with M4(75)'s. If I could manage that, then I would have no problem using a 45mm gun to kill a Panzer III, or an M3 Stuart, or even the rare T-34.
those were offline and were not shooting back
semp
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How are the Panzer III and M3 offline if we don't even have them? And how did their existence get changed from the future tense to the past tense?
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did you notice the size of the gun on the bt7?
semp
first off please don't EVER compare wot to AH :furious
secondly from my understanding wot is arcade'ish style shoot em up with levels tiers and modifying your tank so it can 1 shot tigers in Sherman's.. they cant even get they're ads right saying a d-eagle is a 9mm when in reality its a 50 cal or that a t34/75 has a 85mm gun(and Your going to use them for facts/points?)
its honestly like saying we shouldn't have the HE 111 because the deathstar can destroy the map in 1 shot just or replace the p51D with an X wing because they share guns/treads/names(type of vehicle) does not mean they are anything alike get the hint
but for someone who has 161 gv kills most notable using a tiger 2 and other heavy tanks in the last 3 tours i would not expect you to understand the complexity of an offset gv battle a bigger gun is not always better...
honestly i could do without the bt7/Matilda but they have bigger guns then the m8 and more armor and the m8 does a fine job at bringing anything smaller then a tiger down and the newer panzer is actually more durable in some situations then the later model even though it may punch threw less armor
as for killing buildings... today i dropped a HQ with an m16.. there was also m3s m8s and lvt4s present so other tanks would have little trouble killing a buildings
but your right lets forget how many we're made they're impact on war and how famous of a tank they are or they're effectiveness/relevance and that the guns just aren't big enough.....
we need bigger tanks the tiger II is child's play lets have this instead
(http://www.1999.co.jp/itbig05/10052134.jpg)
Armour 460 mm (18 in) (in the area of the Mantle)
250 mm (9.8 in) (mantlet)
240 mm (9.4 in) (turret front)
220 mm (8.7 in) (turret side and rear, and hull front)
210 mm (8.3 in) (turret front behind the mantlet)
190 mm (7.5 in) (hull side and rear)
Main
armament 128 mm (5 in) KwK 44 gun L/55
(32 rounds)
Secondary
armament 75 mm (3 in) KwK 44 gun L/36.5
(co-axial) (200 rounds)
7.92 mm MG34 machine gun
but hell since we are at it and comparing day and night might as well go all out
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KezhQ6waZT0/TAZizCMZIgI/AAAAAAAAXIo/FzccSohoceo/s1600/rreatgrstr.jpg)
Armor 150–360 mm (5.9–14 in)
Main
armament 2x 280 mm(11") 54.5 SK C/34
Secondary
armament 1x 128 mm KwK 44 L/55
8x 20 mm Flak38
2x 15 mm MG 151/15
or this..you know which ever
(http://images.wikia.com/military/images/0/0c/P1500_Monster.gif)
Armor 250 millimetres (9.8 in) (hull front)
Main
armament 1x 800 mm 31.5" K (E) gun
Secondary
armament 2x 15cm sFH 18/1 L/30 (howitzer)
Multiple 15 mm MG151/15
in case anyone is possibly this oblivious only 1 of these tanks nearly reached production and if you have not caught on yet i say +1 to earlier tanks they could add many things but honestly id be fine without a bt7(t34 has enough trouble with hills) bigger gun is not needed nor is armor or speed just a good driver