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Title: I want one
Post by: ScottyK on November 13, 2011, 12:08:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZmC8Zc2_ZI


 Now i just need to take flying lessons.  Hitech u available?
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: JOACH1M on November 13, 2011, 12:15:46 PM
Ya it is cool, but i would go full scale if I were gonna do something like this
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: curry1 on November 13, 2011, 12:42:48 PM
Ya it is cool, but i would go full scale if I were gonna do something like this

That's what I used to think as well but apparently it is many, many times more expensive to do so.  We are talking like hundreds of thousands of dollars in difference.  Not trying to cover my bellybutton but Tupac told me that.
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: flight17 on November 13, 2011, 12:59:50 PM
thats sweet! did they say it was made from 1972 until 92?

We have a 1/2 scale P51 and F4u. The 51 will never fly thought and the f4u previously flew, but the gear folded on it while landing so its in contract that we can never fly it. But the F4u is beautiful. it was done in all composites and was well constructed...
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: F22RaptorDude on November 13, 2011, 04:25:51 PM
 :O
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: RTHolmes on November 13, 2011, 04:30:56 PM
(http://www.smartplayzone.co.uk/images/large/f430%20ferrari%20800004886.jpg)

meh
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: MachFly on November 13, 2011, 04:41:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZmC8Zc2_ZI


 Now i just need to take flying lessons.  Hitech u available?

Real one is better.  :aok
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: Flench on November 13, 2011, 04:45:48 PM
Look's cool .
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: JOACH1M on November 13, 2011, 04:47:55 PM
That's what I used to think as well but apparently it is many, many times more expensive to do so.  We are talking like hundreds of thousands of dollars in difference.  Not trying to cover my bellybutton but Tupac told me that.
In my opinion that hundreds of thousands is well worth having the same thing
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: Tordon22 on November 13, 2011, 04:53:12 PM
Neat looking, but I'm sorry. It falls quite short on the sound level for me. What an awful sounding engine!
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: flight17 on November 13, 2011, 04:57:10 PM
Neat looking, but I'm sorry. It falls quite short on the sound level for me. What an awful sounding engine!
i was thinking the same thing... almost sounds like they put a muffler on it that would make it sound like that to sound somewhate like a radial.
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: Krupinski on November 13, 2011, 04:57:24 PM
Neat looking, but I'm sorry. It falls quite short on the sound level for me. What an awful sounding engine!

So that's not a helicopter in the background somewhere?  :huh
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: MachFly on November 13, 2011, 04:58:48 PM
Neat looking, but I'm sorry. It falls quite short on the sound level for me. What an awful sounding engine!

Agreed

It's kinda something like this Veyron: http://testdrivewithjay.com/blog/2011/07/fake-bugatti-veyron-for-sale-on-e-bay/ (http://testdrivewithjay.com/blog/2011/07/fake-bugatti-veyron-for-sale-on-e-bay/)
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: MiloMorai on November 13, 2011, 05:39:09 PM
Neat looking, but I'm sorry. It falls quite short on the sound level for me. What an awful sounding engine!

Well it is quite a few cubic inches short of the BMW 801, as well as cylinders.
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: Barrett on November 13, 2011, 08:08:49 PM
I like this one -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=QkWnHma45fk

Title: Re: I want one
Post by: MachFly on November 13, 2011, 08:19:27 PM
I like this one -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=QkWnHma45fk



That's not original either.
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: Barrett on November 13, 2011, 08:36:55 PM
No - but it'll do
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: MachFly on November 13, 2011, 09:10:55 PM
No - but it'll do

True, but I'd prefer the original.
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: VonMessa on November 13, 2011, 09:21:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZmC8Zc2_ZI


 Now i just need to take flying lessons.  Hitech u available?

So build one.

It's not as hard as you may think.   Takes more time, than anything
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: MachFly on November 13, 2011, 10:49:00 PM
So build one.

It's not as hard as you may think.   Takes more time, than anything


It might not be very hard, but if you screw up you die. So just that fact makes it difficult.

Also where are you going to find the parts? It's not like anyone sells kit 190s.
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: VonMessa on November 14, 2011, 08:48:05 AM
It might not be very hard, but if you screw up you die. So just that fact makes it difficult.

Also where are you going to find the parts? It's not like anyone sells kit 190s.

That's what your local EAA chapter is there for, including the tech rep.  
That is also the reason for builder's logs and FAA Airworthiness Inspector/ FAA Designated Airworthiness Representative's are for
In addition, 40 hours have to be flown-off on the airplane before you can take passengers.
95% of Homebuilt accidents are pilot error and not shoddy craftsmanship.  As a pilot yourself, you know full well that the biggest margin for error exists between the left seat and the yoke  :aok

http://www.flugwerk.de/html/index.php (http://www.flugwerk.de/html/index.php)


If that is not enough, or is too costly:

Get a stack of prints
Some 3/4" MDF
A roll of 3032 Aluminum
Tin Snips
Soft Mallet
Bandsaw
Fluting Pliers
Vise

For <$1000 US, one can stay busy for a year or two hammering out wing ribs alone

If that is not enough, or is too costly:

Get a stack of prints
Some 3/4" MDF
A roll of 3032 Aluminum
Tin Snips
Soft Mallet
Bandsaw
Fluting Pliers
Vise

For <$1000 US, one can stay busy for a year or two hammering out wing ribs alone  :D

The biggest factor involved is the will to do it  :rock

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Bearhawk%20Building%20pics/100_1335.jpg)

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Bearhawk%20Building%20pics/100_1336.jpg)

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Bearhawk%20Building%20pics/100_1338.jpg)

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Bearhawk%20Building%20pics/100_1342.jpg)

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Bearhawk%20Building%20pics/100_1345.jpg)

It starts with a dream (and a very understanding wife never hurts)   :devil

Title: Re: I want one
Post by: MachFly on November 14, 2011, 03:22:21 PM
I wouldn't trust an FAA inspector, I'd fly it only if I'm sure it's safe, not if some guy with an FAA ID says I can. Regarding the 40 hours you can't really take passengers up in a 190 anyways, especially a miniature one.

Your right most homebuilt accidents are caused by pilots, but most homebuilt aircraft are bought in kits, not made from scratch.

When you make all your own parts how do you know that they are strong enough? For example how do you know that your wingspar wont brake as soon as you get into turbulence or pull a 2G turn? 
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: sluggish on November 14, 2011, 03:38:18 PM
NTSB descriptionOn September 10, 1999, at 1932 eastern daylight time, a Reichert MJ-77, N51MJ, operated by a commercially rated pilot, sustained substantial damage during a forced landing at Owosso Community Airport, Owosso, Michigan. The pilot sustained fatal injuries. The 14 CFR Part 91 personal flight was not operating on a flight plan. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed during the flight. The flight had departed Owosso Community Airport on runway 28 (3,800 feet X 75 feet dry/asphalt) and was returning to runway 10 at the time of the accident.

A witness saw the pilot perform a preflight inspection of the airplane and watched the airplane's takeoff and return. The witness said that the airplane took off to the west. He stated that he saw contrails coming from the wings. He said that the trails were black in color. He said that the airplane turned back to the airport and was in level flight about 100 to 150 feet above the ground. He said the engine was running. He stated that the airplane nosed down and crashed on the north side of the runway.

Another witness saw the airplane two to three miles from the airport. This witness said that the airplane was trailing smoke similar to the smoke oil trails used by airshow performers. He stated that the airplane had black fluid coming from the trailing edge of the wings. He stated that the airplane was in a bank when he saw it.

The airplane impacted the grass on the north side of the runway 10. The airplane came to rest inverted approximately 10 feet north of runway 10 and 300 feet east of the approach end of runway 10.

A Federal Aviation Administration investigator performed an on-scene examination of the airplane wreckage. The examination revealed that the entire rear fuselage was streaked with oil. The examination further revealed that the engine oil tank filler neck was found without its cap engaged. This filler neck and cap assembly has a positive locking feature when closed. The filler neck was found without any damage marks. The filler cap's locking tangs were found damaged.

The pilot's logbook was reviewed. The logbook indicated the pilot flew a total of 11.1 hours in the accident airplane.

http://www.planecrashmap.com/plane/mi/N51MJ

http://www.jurcaplanswest.com/MJ-77.htm

Title: Re: I want one
Post by: MachFly on November 14, 2011, 03:50:10 PM
NTSB descriptionOn September 10, 1999, at 1932 eastern daylight time, a Reichert MJ-77, N51MJ, operated by a commercially rated pilot, sustained substantial damage during a forced landing at Owosso Community Airport, Owosso, Michigan. The pilot sustained fatal injuries. The 14 CFR Part 91 personal flight was not operating on a flight plan. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed during the flight. The flight had departed Owosso Community Airport on runway 28 (3,800 feet X 75 feet dry/asphalt) and was returning to runway 10 at the time of the accident.

A witness saw the pilot perform a preflight inspection of the airplane and watched the airplane's takeoff and return. The witness said that the airplane took off to the west. He stated that he saw contrails coming from the wings. He said that the trails were black in color. He said that the airplane turned back to the airport and was in level flight about 100 to 150 feet above the ground. He said the engine was running. He stated that the airplane nosed down and crashed on the north side of the runway.

Another witness saw the airplane two to three miles from the airport. This witness said that the airplane was trailing smoke similar to the smoke oil trails used by airshow performers. He stated that the airplane had black fluid coming from the trailing edge of the wings. He stated that the airplane was in a bank when he saw it.

The airplane impacted the grass on the north side of the runway 10. The airplane came to rest inverted approximately 10 feet north of runway 10 and 300 feet east of the approach end of runway 10.

A Federal Aviation Administration investigator performed an on-scene examination of the airplane wreckage. The examination revealed that the entire rear fuselage was streaked with oil. The examination further revealed that the engine oil tank filler neck was found without its cap engaged. This filler neck and cap assembly has a positive locking feature when closed. The filler neck was found without any damage marks. The filler cap's locking tangs were found damaged.

The pilot's logbook was reviewed. The logbook indicated the pilot flew a total of 11.1 hours in the accident airplane.

http://www.planecrashmap.com/plane/mi/N51MJ

http://www.jurcaplanswest.com/MJ-77.htm



Not sure I understand what your trying to say. Oil leaks happen and you typically loose the engine after that. I had an oil leak in a Deacathlon ones, it was not a kit airplane. Thankfully I made it back to the field before all the oil leaked out.
These things happen.
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: flight17 on November 14, 2011, 04:31:09 PM
not ours, but its the same thing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKNIHGppiqw
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: sluggish on November 14, 2011, 04:53:34 PM
Not sure I understand what your trying to say. Oil leaks happen and you typically loose the engine after that. I had an oil leak in a Deacathlon ones, it was not a kit airplane. Thankfully I made it back to the field before all the oil leaked out.
These things happen.

Scale warbird + unfamiliar pilot = certain death
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: MachFly on November 14, 2011, 05:08:26 PM
Scale warbird + unfamiliar pilot = certain death

The same mistake can be done on any plane.
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: sluggish on November 14, 2011, 05:34:00 PM
The plane was highly unstable.  An emergency landing under power with most other planes would have been uneventful.
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: VonMessa on November 14, 2011, 05:35:27 PM
I wouldn't trust an FAA inspector, I'd fly it only if I'm sure it's safe, not if some guy with an FAA ID says I can. Regarding the 40 hours you can't really take passengers up in a 190 anyways, especially a miniature one.

Your right most homebuilt accidents are caused by pilots, but most homebuilt aircraft are bought in kits, not made from scratch.

When you make all your own parts how do you know that they are strong enough? For example how do you know that your wingspar wont brake as soon as you get into turbulence or pull a 2G turn? 

Because I make them to specs, per the plans that I purchased.
Plans of a proven design, with over 100 completed and flying for years.



Kits can also be built,http://www.bearhawkaircraft.com/index.php (http://www.bearhawkaircraft.com/index.php) but I'm frugal, take care of my 90 year old grandfather, need to stay close to the house (unless extensive plans are made) and have more time on my hands than money.   :aok
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: MachFly on November 14, 2011, 06:01:01 PM
Because I make them to specs, per the plans that I purchased.
Plans of a proven design, with over 100 completed and flying for years.



Kits can also be built,http://www.bearhawkaircraft.com/index.php (http://www.bearhawkaircraft.com/index.php) but I'm frugal, take care of my 90 year old grandfather, need to stay close to the house (unless extensive plans are made) and have more time on my hands than money.   :aok

I see. Did not realize that there are plans for 60% 190s.
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: VonMessa on November 14, 2011, 06:49:17 PM
I see. Did not realize that there are plans for 60% 190s.

Plans for everything if you look hard enough.  :D

Trust me.  I wanted to go with a DR1, but the wife said if I'm going to spend the $ and the effort, it had better fit her too.

Then I took her on a discovery flight after which she posed the question of how much more time and $ for a 4-place so we could take the kids or friends?   :devil
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: MachFly on November 14, 2011, 07:02:23 PM
Plans for everything if you look hard enough.  :D

Trust me.  I wanted to go with a DR1, but the wife said if I'm going to spend the $ and the effort, it had better fit her too.

Then I took her on a discovery flight after which she posed the question of how much more time and $ for a 4-place so we could take the kids or friends?   :devil

 :lol
Title: Re: I want one
Post by: tmetal on November 15, 2011, 12:02:38 PM
For anybody who might be interested, check out http://www.waraircraftreplicas.com/ for 50% scale plans for the Fw190, F4U, Bf109, Seafury, A6M, P51, P26, P40, P47, and the Hurricane.  From what I remember when I use to frequent this site and forums, the F4U and Fw190 where the most popular by far.

I always thought the P26 would be interesting to build and fly because of its open cockpit and fix landing gear.