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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: VonKost on November 19, 2011, 10:42:44 AM
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So I have become enamored of the 109 and particularly obsessed with JG-52. I fly them and do ok, but I believe I could get much better with a little flight instruction. Would any of the 109 experten be available to spend some time in the training arena with me?
Thanks and Kindest Regards
VK
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Glad to hear you would like to learn this beauty.
I would contact Bunnies (Ardy123 on the BBS). Not sure he has much time nowadays...
He was teaching me last year, and i luv to fly against him. May not the bestest 109 stick ever, but still fairly good and can tell you exactly what and how you should do to improve.
Best wishes,
:salute
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Go contact Morfiend, he does the Luftwaffe stuff and is an official trainer in the game. :salute
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I'd be willing Kost. perdweeb in game. Send me a PM if interested.
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This really makes me want to get back in the game badly. I would have loved working with someone to show them the little I knew about 109 jockeying. That is fun stuff. I miss dueling with Ardy a lot too...
Sigh,, just a couple more months...
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most of the muppets are excellent 109 drivers, and are quite helpfull if you ask! GL
BTW, 109s are for JUGgling :aok
JUGgler
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109 is poo :old:
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109 is poo :old:
it was needed, it was needed, wtg tyrannis
no more trolls plz
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Just remember that as you go down the line, the 109s loses maneuverability but gains vertical performance.
Against some of the weaker planes (in engine performance that is), after the first merge, I can straight up and gain an instant ~2K advantage (if we're co-E). If he tries to follow, it's usually an easy stall kill. If he doesn't, use your altitude to make BnZ passes.
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VK,
I'm in the TA most evenings after 8 or 9 pm est. I'd be happy to help you with the 109 series planes. Most find the hardest thing to learn is the gunnery and I agree with this,wish I knew how those muppets do it..... :noid
You need to learn throttle control and have to keep an eye on airspeed,it can be a busy plane at times but that just makes the kills that more satisfying!
BTW. thx Prevert for your kind words,just wish some would keep theirs in other forums.
:salute
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Hiya Morfiend!
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:salute
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I eat poo :old:
You'll get worms that way Ty :D
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You'll get worms that way Ty :D
well ya know what they say, life is like a box of chocolates... :uhoh
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Bump. Where ya Rabbit. I need some help too. What's convergence do use? I can't hit squat in these 109s. I like the plane alot but I just can't kill when I fly the things.
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VK,
I'm in the TA most evenings after 8 or 9 pm est. I'd be happy to help you with the 109 series planes. Most find the hardest thing to learn is the gunnery and I agree with this,wish I knew how those muppets do it..... :noid
You need to learn throttle control and have to keep an eye on airspeed,it can be a busy plane at times but that just makes the kills that more satisfying!
BTW. thx Prevert for your kind words,just wish some would keep theirs in other forums.
:salute
I am far from a master of the taters...but I do know how they get that way...its all about the angles and setting up the shot....set up the shot right and its almost impossible to miss.
doing it is entirely different though :furious
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I am far from a master of the taters...but I do know how they get that way...its all about the angles and setting up the shot....set up the shot right and its almost impossible to miss.
doing it is entirely different though :furious
That's a fact. I played in the offline arena last night instead of the MA trying to set shots up. I saw some improvement but damn it's not easy.
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Bump. Where ya Rabbit. I need some help too. What's convergence do use? I can't hit squat in these 109s. I like the plane alot but I just can't kill when I fly the things.
I liked to use 275 for mine. Anywhere from 200-300 worked just fine for me. It's the loft with the Tater, since it's center mounted.
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Bump. Where ya Rabbit. I need some help too. What's convergence do use? I can't hit squat in these 109s. I like the plane alot but I just can't kill when I fly the things.
my convergence is at 250, and like others have said, its about setting up a snap shot where you are within 200m of the other plane.
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my convergence is at 250, and like others have said, its about setting up a snap shot where you are within 200m of the other plane.
TY for the quick response :salute
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I am fairly conversant with the 109, all variants, but I do have my favorites.
Any time you see me in any arena (my cpid is the same as here...RTR) give me a shout if you want to train or just need a target. 109"s are a fun bird, and they are underrated for the most part...unjustly so.
Also, pop into the TA if you have time and look up Morfiend, he is a remarkable resource and a pretty good 109 aficionado.
cheers,
RTR
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Watch how 8 spits ranging from 9's to 14's get ownt by single K4 in a matter of a couple minutes. Then go ahead and copy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecNF1K7c8pk
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I keep my taters at 250 due to their balistics being horrible. Try not to shoot from a dead 6, it's hard to keep eyes on the target and remain accurate, you'll waste a lot of ammo. I like to slash at the target for a large wing profile, or come in with enough smack to scare them into scissoring as I throttle back and plant a tater in the cockpit.
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The best way to get good at setting up the shots is to duel people in the da. Its all about repetition and being able to visually recognize when its going to happen.
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Watch how 8 spits ranging from 9's to 14's get ownt by single K4 in a matter of a couple minutes. Then go ahead and copy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecNF1K7c8pk
Good film from the old days.
In fact, if you watch closely you will see some very magik moves...theres even hints to flap use...pay attention to the barrel rolls...watch for the vert move....and pay attention to how the target is tracked in the views.
For begginners it will be hard to see these things in the video. I recommend you watch it several times in a row...you will see it...if you pay attention.
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I've always liked to try and force a overshoot in the K4. It's a good way to set up a close shot. Heres a few videos i made back in the day with some good k4 overshoots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTQ0r8OU_o4&NR=1&feature=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ0aN06tmW0&feature=related
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The best way to get good at setting up the shots is to duel people in the da. Its all about repetition and being able to visually recognize when its going to happen.
Wouldn't it be easier in the TA, using taters only. I hit is obviously a kill. much quicker fight resets, when you don't have to re-up each duel. Get a hit, seperate 5k and remerge, repeat until ammo depleted or happy with results. I know it's more satisfying when the guy goes kaplooie in the DA, but you can get more fighting time in the TA.
:salute
BigRat
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Wouldn't it be easier in the TA, using taters only. I hit is obviously a kill. much quicker fight resets, when you don't have to re-up each duel. Get a hit, seperate 5k and remerge, repeat until ammo depleted or happy with results. I know it's more satisfying when the guy goes kaplooie in the DA, but you can get more fighting time in the TA.
:salute
BigRat
Oh the TA is great, its just most of the time I've logged in, there is no one in the TA, unless I log in the sec I get home (which is rarely possible). I guess if one were to schedule and appointment with a trainer, that would be a different story.
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Wouldn't it be easier in the TA, using taters only. I hit is obviously a kill. much quicker fight resets, when you don't have to re-up each duel. Get a hit, seperate 5k and remerge, repeat until ammo depleted or happy with results. I know it's more satisfying when the guy goes kaplooie in the DA, but you can get more fighting time in the TA.
:salute
BigRat
I agree.
The TA is not used like it should be. I confess I haven't been there in years.
One cool thing is that you can turn on the hit box (?? name) to see where you should shoot. This is a HUGE learning tool for shooting 30mm (taters). I have done it offline and it helped greatly. But using it in the training arena against real opponents would definitly help people who are learning the 109.
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I've always liked to try and force a overshoot in the K4. It's a good way to set up a close shot. Heres a few videos i made back in the day with some good k4 overshoots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTQ0r8OU_o4&NR=1&feature=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ0aN06tmW0&feature=related
Both films are great!
The first one is best. lots info there for tracking and making the shot....also nice barrel rolls and reversals. ....very good learning tool.
S!
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Always liked Sunfans films. The boy is wicked :aok
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How do you 109 guys line up an angled shot? Are you using a reference point on the cockpit frame or something? The visibility is just so poor for me that dead 6 shots are the only ones that I can hope to get. A crossing shot is too difficult as by the time I see them, the bandit has passed the point I needed to shoot.
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How do you 109 guys line up an angled shot? Are you using a reference point on the cockpit frame or something? The visibility is just so poor for me that dead 6 shots are the only ones that I can hope to get. A crossing shot is too difficult as by the time I see them, the bandit has passed the point I needed to shoot.
You imagine a straight line from their prop to where they are going. You pick a line between point A and point B where you will have a 100-200 yard shot and of course don't forget your lead all depends on their speed and yours. GL
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From what I've been told, you get them into an overshoot position. When you know they are going to overshoot, you get your wings in line with their flight path and fire when they are in your front side window. Grizz said I capture the spot well in this cartoon....
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/Grizz.jpg)
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its not mine, but this is Grizz's post on the matter.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,280043.0.html
to b frank if you are used to using bullets to tell where your bullets are going (like a lot of US planes that have lots of ammo can do) then you are going to find this a hard cannon to master - however, if you master you revi16 and get a good idea of how the 30mm behaves, then you will perform deflections in 3 - 5 30mm round per shot which is my average. No tracers to give you a clue for the next shot because by then you are already performing the next set of ACMs to make another shot. In essence - you have to spend a lot of time practicing.
the only real hint I can give is this - you don't actually want to saddle an opponent with a 30mm - you want to create the high angle deflection shot. Use your 12mms for saddle shots (takes a bit more time but they work) and when they break, that is when you line up for the 30mm burst. I have had terrible luck with low deflection shots with the 30mm and while I will take the shot if I am low target, low fuel (gonna go rearm anyway) - its really a game of patience and timing - and that is part of its reward. When you see a K4 shooting at you while chasing you down from your 6, and you see those grapefruit sized bullets wizz by, you know that they are desperate and will egress bingo ammo soon. Just make sure you keep your profile small!!
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When you see a K4 shooting at you while chasing you down from your 6, and you see those grapefruit sized bullets wizz by, you know that they are desperate and will egress bingo ammo soon.
Or they're trying for the 800yard tater shots. :rock
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Heres alittle short 3 min. film on base defense this week and 2 reversals, hope it helps :salute
http://www.mediafire.com/?w7117lk4c5bqp6a
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Or they're trying for the 800yard tater shots. :rock
I always liked to use the bbs from that far out, if I could start landing some hits they would almost always turn so I could close to Tater distance. You can hit pretty well with the bbs from 800 if you line it up carefully.
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Thanks TnDep for the reply & Ruah thanks for reposting that thread by Grizz. I took up a K4 last night & used the tips & managed to land 6 kills on my 1st sortie, although I will admit 2 or 3 were augers. I also saw Agent360 in that furball between A145 & A199. I got credit for a kill on you TnDep & I think you were a K4 as well. I remember shooting at you but never really could tell if I actually hit you or not. Again guys, thanks for all the tips. Happy New Year & <S>......Sidious
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Thanks TnDep for the reply & Ruah thanks for reposting that thread by Grizz. I took up a K4 last night & used the tips & managed to land 6 kills on my 1st sortie, although I will admit 2 or 3 were augers. I also saw Agent360 in that furball between A145 & A199. I got credit for a kill on you TnDep & I think you were a K4 as well. I remember shooting at you but never really could tell if I actually hit you or not. Again guys, thanks for all the tips. Happy New Year & <S>......Sidious
Your welcome, Yes last night was a tough night for me couldn't do nothing right in a plane, actually gv'd mostly. two nights ago I landed 10 kills k4 no re-arms, I wish I could get on and be consistant and start off where I left out, anywho great job on the 6 kills :salute