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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: viking73 on November 24, 2011, 08:46:29 PM
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The Department of Defense has eliminated the Hawker/Beechcraft AT-6, based in Kansas, from the competition. Giving the 100% Brazilian company, Embraer most likely the bid. This link will send you to create a form letter to write to your congressmen to go against this choice. US pilots already train in the AT-6 Texan II.
Sec. of State Hillary Clinton:
"Take Embraer, the jet manufacturer and one of Brazil's biggest exporters. The United States accounts for about 65 percent of its sales, but about 70 percent of the parts that it puts into its planes are made in the United States."
Hillary, since the Iranians use the 'Tucano' as their primary close air support aircraft that they bought from Brazil, does that mean we supplied 70% of the parts for the Iranian aircraft?
Maybe we'd have more jobs if we DIDN'T account for 65% of their sales. I'd rather go with 100% parts made in the US.
http://t.co/gXsavzDE (http://t.co/gXsavzDE)
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Eliminated the AT-6 from what competition?
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OK I give T2, what the heck are you talking about?
After a bit of Googling It does appear the other bird will be built in the US in Florida by Sierra Nevada
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/sierra-nevada-leads-super-tucano-bid-for-usaf-deal-352676/
The "AT-6" by Beechcraft is a license built Pilatus PC-9 that is a Swiss design, so I guess I can't get too worked up if a License built Tucano gets built in the US instead of a License built PC-9.
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The Department of Defense has eliminated the Hawker/Beechcraft AT-6, based in Kansas, from the competition. Giving the 100% Brazilian company, Embraer most likely the bid. This link will send you to create a form letter to write to your congressmen to go against this choice. US pilots already train in the AT-6 Texan II.
Sec. of State Hillary Clinton:
"Take Embraer, the jet manufacturer and one of Brazil's biggest exporters. The United States accounts for about 65 percent of its sales, but about 70 percent of the parts that it puts into its planes are made in the United States."
Hillary, since the Iranians use the 'Tucano' as their primary close air support aircraft that they bought from Brazil, does that mean we supplied 70% of the parts for the Iranian aircraft?
Maybe we'd have more jobs if we DIDN'T account for 65% of their sales. I'd rather go with 100% parts made in the US.
http://t.co/gXsavzDE (http://t.co/gXsavzDE)
This is hurt Wichita, Kansas with job cuts. I was just told that somewhere around 500 - 1000 jobs will be elimated. WTG!
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This may upset a few people... They are more or less the same aircraft, the T-6 is the Beech version of the PC-9
The problem lies with beechcraft... I was on the T-1A Jayhawk team in the early 90's, and working with beechcraft is next to impossible.
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This is hurt Wichita, Kansas with job cuts. I was just told that somewhere around 500 - 1000 jobs will be elimated. WTG!
Apparently there will be jobs added in Florida. Guess a Congress person from Florida outmaneuvered a Congress person from Kansas.
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In the UK we can manufacture underpants and brown bread :old:
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at the same time! :rofl
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+1 :rofl
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I'd rather go with 100% parts made in the US.
Not to throw petrol on the fire - but the US pushes heavily for free trade with other countries. In exchange markets are opened up that the US gets access to, which helps create jobs in the US for those industries that you're competitive at. Do you think it's fair then to engage in protectionism whilst demanding open free trade with others? Would protectionism for a few air craft result in the closure for currently open markets , resulting in job losses in other industries in the US?
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Do you think it's fair then to engage in protectionism whilst demanding open free trade with others?
I don't feel that the U.S. should be required to outsource military contracts.
Would protectionism for a few air craft result in the closure for currently open markets , resulting in job losses in other industries in the US?
Not likely. When Boeing was chosen over Airbus for the new tanker contract, the effect on the market went unnoticed. By this I mean that there was no negative effect.
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When Boeing was chosen over Airbus for the new tanker contract, the effect on the market went unnoticed. By this I mean that there was no negative effect.
That was the 2nd bid. Boeing threw a fit when they lost to Airbus and made them rebid the contract.
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That was the 2nd bid. Boeing threw a fit when they lost to Airbus and made them rebid the contract.
Perhaps.
My point was that even this type of behavior hasn't sent the world market into an anti-American rage.
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so is the Tucano a good plane for that role at all? if it is... then congratz! :D
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That was the 2nd bid. Boeing threw a fit when they lost to Airbus and made them rebid the contract.
ya after Airbus illegally had the contract requirements changed to favor the A330...
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Not to throw petrol on the fire - but the US pushes heavily for free trade with other countries. In exchange markets are opened up that the US gets access to, which helps create jobs in the US for those industries that you're competitive at. Do you think it's fair then to engage in protectionism whilst demanding open free trade with others? Would protectionism for a few air craft result in the closure for currently open markets , resulting in job losses in other industries in the US?
Our company manufactures components for Embraer aircraft, that keep about 14 employees gainfully employed... Embraer buys a significant amount of components and equipment from U.S. Manufacturers. Indeed, they prefer U.S. made because of the high quality and long service life. Embraer is a good company and partner.
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Glad to hear that. I'm flying 2 Embraers in January to Belize and back.
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That was the 2nd bid. Boeing threw a fit when they lost to Airbus and made them rebid the contract.
Which was unfortunate for us because if airbus was chosen then my area (pensacola/mobile) would have gained an estimated 2,000 jobs for the manufacturing and testing of the airframe.
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Which was unfortunate for us because if airbus was chosen then my area (pensacola/mobile) would have gained an estimated 2,000 jobs for the manufacturing and testing of the airframe.
and instead of just your area getting a few jobs, the whole country is getting an estimated 30,000 more new jobs. You really think Eads would have built a plant here? it was all smoke. They were supposed to build the plant before the contest was even over because they were going to "build" the freighter... yet its how many years later, there is no plant, and the freighters are being built in Europe.