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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: coyote on February 20, 2000, 03:24:00 PM
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It is bad enough that the airfields are so close together that ayone with 15k can dive to the safety of the nearest ak as soon as he spots an enemy with more altitude than himself. BUT NOW WE HAVE THIS CRAP DITCHING MODLE, HELL IT IS EASIER TO "DITCH" THAN TO "LAND"
Last mission i drug a knit SpitIV away from his gang-banging friends , did a high speed climb away , turned and worked him over with 20mm. His Engine was Kaput, I tured to finish him, but b4 I could fire , HE DITCHED, WHAT BS!!!!!!!!! In real life FOUR things would have happened:
1. He would not have been able to dith on that HILL.
2. His engine fire would hab BBQ'ed him before or while he ditched.
3. His aircraft would have been lost OR I would have destroyed it on the ground.
4. I DEFFINATLELY WOULD HAVE STRAFED HIS HAPPY prettythang AS HE RAN FROM THE PLANE LIKE THE COWARD HE WAS.
EASY SOLUTION, DITCHED PLANES AND PILOTS SHOULD REMAIN ON GROUND FOR 2 MINUTES BEFORE BEING ABLE TO REVIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
HAAAAAAAAAA! That would fix their little red wagons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Coyote
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YES, I KNOW It was really a SpitIX, so don't even go there.....
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Coyote
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I was online and heard the exchange. The guy's engine was dead. He ditched. You didn't get him in time. Life goes on. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
You spent the next half hour online calling him names. There is no realistic option for a pilot in a crippled plane but to bail or ditch. I don't blame him at all for trying for the ditch. Nine out of ten times you die trying it, so it was a desparate, last-ditch move.
Let's face it. You beat him. You already had the notch in the belt. Why harrass the guy over a non-issue?
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No, more like 99 times out of 100 you will succeed in ditching. hell I ran my F4U into a hill at 300MPH , it spun around, made alot of noise, then I got out and exited.
And yes I called the coward name, nothing below the belt or obscene. He was a coward and it was BS.
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Well... I may not agree with Coyote's "confrontational approach", I do agree with his arguement.
A ditch should count as a kill, but if its in friendly territory it should continue the pilots streak.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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I wasnt there...But is he a coward because he didnt stay in the air with no engine? or because he didnt bail and award you the kill?
Is it anoying that according to the algorithm used to decide kills you get nothing but a higher %hit and Air to Air damage on your score but I really dont see how the guy is a coward?
From the details you give it sounds like you attacked a group of planes by yourself probably with lots of E advantage as you where able to pull away, he followed you and then you turned and attacked(HO?) him with a cannon armed(f4u?) plane. You let him seperate and disengage. He did so. Is the brave thing to do to imediatly bail? His plane was mostly intact. Certainly this happend countless times in WW2.
While the imediate warp to field is obviosly not realistic it counter ballances the lack of ground fire and the ease of locating a ditched plane somewhat. The ditching scheme is probably intended to show the real value of a partialy intact airframe.
I think that some people do there best flying during a ditch..they are taking a chance, can they best the guy that just bested them....If they have a few kills on the sortie there is motivation to try to land them.
I agree with you in one way. The number of possible places to ditch should be severly restricted, or the chances of ditching in the dark(forest) patches should be made much less. But I also believe that a landing made weels down on a good terain should not be a ditch at all but a landing.
Better luck next time.
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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew
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Coyote as the "coward" who "cowardly" ditched my plane I tell you that strafe a defenceless man on the ground is much more cowardly than try to LAND (gear down on a LEVEL ground,not a hill) my dead-engined Spitfire in front of your 109.
Face it...you hit me and saw smoke. You THOUGHT that i was touched, not engine dead. so you RAN AWAY from my plane (2.5k) to wait for my engine stopping...but my engine was already dead...who was the coward coyote??? as I told you you must change nicks...put there "roadrunner" and it'll be much better.
So you cowardly waited me to dead my engine trying to catch you. well you digged your feet in pure S***t and when you realized I was LANDING you started yelling "coward, coward"...
he,roadrunner...ho was the coward? you were 1.5K when I touched down...
so enuf talk...you arent worth it...I was only trying to say who was the "coward" you was saying
RAM out
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Without blaming anyone for taking advantage of the ability to ditch anywhere they can (I do too) under the current circustances, I'd (still) REALLY like to see all non-paved terrain have significant bounce and bump to it (read: crash often), as well as captures etc ditching outside of friendly areas.
Fatty
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Hey Coyote,
RAM ditched, you didn't get the kill so what? Isn't it satisfactory enough to made him ditch? He's outta the fight you go on find another target. As for being cowardly: Sometimes it's wise to wage your chances and engage or not. You were running away to when me and a bud engaged you. You were even kept running away after my bud disengaged and headed home. I don't call that cowardly that was a good tactical decision. Yes, I kept running from - and two other guys that is - too; I turned back when I thought it was the best tactical option; e.g. when you entered firing range...* (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I kinda like the ditch model as it is, HTC probably put more things into the way to hit - like trees, farmhouses, churches etc. ...
*One more point. You wouldn't answer me on the channel so I ask you again. How the hell do you keep your plane that fast? We were racing on the deck, my plane perfectly trimmed, pulling no G's. On the first race, when I chased you it definitly couldnt have been fuel load cause' I ran outta fuel minutes after you crashed. In the second race you gained on me from FAAAAR away.. you even were faster than the pony that was after me. My fuel was at 1/4 to 1/2 at that time. And yes, I was flying a G10 too. And don't give me the answer you gave me on the channel!! Or I start to believe it! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Nevertheless I am having tons of fun here - the only thing is: WHERE IS THE NEXT UPDATE??? It's such a long time ago since we got one... is HTC to busy counting their money now we pay? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Kirin out
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>I'd (still) REALLY like to see all non-
>paved terrain have significant bounce and
>bump to it
I agree Fatty. I'd like to see crashes on take off and landings too if you go off the runway bound across the airfield. I've found if I have to ditch in a hot area I'll go in wheels up. I'll stop in half the time. Currently seems a little too easy to do that with risking destruction. Also agree on probability of capture (from ditch or bail)as a function of distance from the nearest friendly field. If captured it should count a kill for the victor.
On the other hand, Coyote make his argument in such an obnoxious manner that I'd almost be willing to change my opinion to avoid agreeing.
Regards,
Wab
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I like it the way that it is....
ever hear of the one that got away? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
IC
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On the other hand, Coyote make his argument in such an obnoxious manner that I'd
almost be willing to change my opinion to avoid agreeing.
hehe, you should have heard the live version... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I can't disagree there are things that need to be changed. I can say that there are better ways to elicit support for such change.
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SSSSSSSSSSSSSSIGHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHH!!
I dont ask mor MUCH, but if you are going to respond to my post, IT MIGHT HELP IF YOU READ IT FIRST "PONGO"!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now as for you Kirin...
You said "RAM ditched, you didn't get the kill so what? Isn't it satisfactory enough to made him ditch?"
Not just not buy HE** no! WE FLY FOR KILLS, NOT FOR FORCING PEOPLE OUT OF THE FIGHT, I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU TRIED TO MAKE THIS ARGUMENT. YOU SHOULD WORK FOR CLINTON/GORE. He is out of the fight??? ? ? how so? does he have to walk for two hours back to base!?!? He laughs(like a coward) and "clicks" on "fly"
You also said "You were running away to when me and a bud engaged you. You were even kept running away after my bud disengaged and headed home."
Hello....... HELLO!!!!!!!! I was trying to get a kill whe 2 spits and 1 109 and 1 205 decided to gang bang me. I PUT THE NOSE DOWN AND GOT THE HELL OUT OF DODGE! you were chasing me at 1000 yards. NOW , WHAT KIND OF MORON WOULD TURN AND ENGAGE A PLANE OF THE SAME MODEL, WITH THE SAME E ,WHEN THE ENEMY IS 1000 YARDS ON YOUR SIX???? COWARDICE DOES NOT EQUAL STUPIDIDTY.
THE PILOT IN QUESTION L O S T a fair ONE ON ONE fight AND DECIDED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE WEAK DITCHING MODLE TO ROB THE VICTOR OF A WELL EARNED KILL.
IN REAL LIFE HE WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD, MOST OF US FLY SIMS LIKE THIS FOR REALISM.
I NOTICED , NOBODY yet has addressed the context of my original message. Must be a bunch of bonified "ditchers" responding.
AND shooting chutes or a man on the ground is not Cowardice, I have never compained one for being shot in my chute. It is the price one sometime pays for losing a fight. I suppose none of you have shot paratroopers LOL.
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Coyote
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wow roadrunner...what a speech...I think I need to say nothing more about you...you say all just by yourselve...dont you?...
RAM out
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Oh my mistake.
as i wasnt there and didnt see the open channel version I thought you were being serios and raising a real concern not just being another sniviling idiot.
Thanks for clarifying that for me
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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew
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Originally posted by RAM:
wow roadrunner...what a speech...I think I need to say nothing more about you...you say all just by yourselve...dont you?...
RAM out
I sure do, A MAN, is not affraid to speak his mind and take the heat for it. You on the other hand have nothing valid to say about my argument so you make up crap like the above. LOL
And for you "pongo" , I see you have posted again without figuring out or reading through my original post....
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Coyote
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.squelch coyote
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Originally posted by JimBear:
.squelch coyote
That was brave...
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Gentlemen,
As a pi** poor fighter pilot, I couldn't begin to count the number of times I have tried to ditch. I die most of the time trying. I stopped hitting the silk when I was shot down in my chute so many times. Hey, I paid my $30.00 if I want to try to ditch, I will. This is a game, surely no ones bravery or lack thereof should come into question.
Stay-Up (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
cord
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"Why is it called a R.I.P cord?"
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Ditching scoring is a legit part of the game. Its not a bug. Since it isn't counted as a kill, people -- especially those concerned with score -- will ditch. That doesn't make them the cowardly son of a diseased tavern wench.
Coyote, if you have a problem with the way ditching is scored, that is fine. Stick to that issue and don't blame the players for trying to maximize their score under HTC's present formula. Attacking players for doing so is only alienating people that otherwise might agree with you.
As much as I hate to do it, I agree with Fatty's suggestion (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif). I'd also like to see the location of a ditch (i.e. within friendly, neutral or enemy territory) determine how it is scored.
Gordo
"Ditch to live, live to ditch"
[This message has been edited by Lance (edited 02-20-2000).]
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he roadrunner...you're soooooo brave man...I guess you'll be awarned the medal for bravery...when I grow up I want to be like you!!!!!! you're my hero...LOL
RAM out
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BTW about the "crap above", do you even know anything called "sarcasm"...well maybe not...I think you missed your school days learning to be sooooo brave
BTW you still didnt say nothing about that turn away when I started to leak smoke...maybe you were afraid by my guns???...mmm...sad sad because you lose your kill because that...brave man, brave man...
nite,kid
RAM,out
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Originally posted by RAM:
he roadrunner...you're soooooo brave man...I guess you'll be awarned the medal for bravery...when I grow up I want to be like you!!!!!! you're my hero...LOL
RAM out
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Originally posted by RAM:
BTW about the "crap above", do you even know anything called "sarcasm"...well maybe not...I think you missed your school days learning to be sooooo brave
BTW you still didnt say nothing about that turn away when I started to leak smoke...maybe you were afraid by my guns???...mmm...sad sad because you lose your kill because that...brave man, brave man...
nite,kid
RAM,out
Ram, I won't even respond to that pack of lies. You are obviously trying to get this message thread closed. I won't respond to any more of your taunts. You lose (again)
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Coyote
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I usually resist jumpin in to threads like this one, but couldn't this time. Coyote, to quote you, "IN REAL LIFE HE WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD, MOST OF US FLY SIMS LIKE THIS FOR REALISM." Yup, and ask yourself this. If your plane were disabled (in real life) and there was a way for you to land without dying, would you not do it? Of course you would. And in real life, there were pilots who did this very thing, and not all were captured, thanks to the valiant efforts of various underground organizations. Is the ditch model unrealistic as it currently exists? You bet. But as in the "reality" you so loudly and rudely stand up for, a pilot takes advantage of any means available to SURVIVE. (I don't mean alt/f4, etc.) I bail often when shot down, but if I think I have a chance to land and ditch, I'll do it. Not out of cowardice, but as an added sense of realism (there's that term again) in that piloting a disabled plane to a survivable landing takes some skill and luck, even with the current ditch/terrain model, and just adds to the adrenaline rush that is Aces High. My best advice would be to lighten up, and before you start spouting "realism, realism, realism.." you need to realize that your criticisms are not based on a need for realism, but on a need for kills on a scoreboard. This type of childish name calling, whining, complaining, etc. appears to be worse since going pay, for reasons unknown. If you shoot him down, feel the satisfaction of outmaneuvering your adversary and removing him from action. You know you won, he knows you won, and that is all that matters. Your tirade on the radio just shows a great deal of immaturity, and is more suited to one of the first-person-shooter games, which are not in any way based in reality (which I also play a great deal of.)
Don't whine, just fly. If he goes down and out of action, move to the next target and forget about him. Simple concept really...
"Opinions are like a**holes.. everyone has one, and most of 'em stink."
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I think everyone knows me enough to know who to believe....I never avoided a <S> when someone won me in a good fight. So if you say Im lying...well I wont lose more time answering you. The truth is out there.
And I lose a fight in a sim. You seem to have won a fight and losen your nerve. take it easy.
RAM,out
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Thanks for actually responding to the points I made. Your points are valid, but they do not invalidate my points. The circumstances of a "ditch" vary. In 90% of them, I think it is fair to say the aircraft involved is LOST. Certainly in MY CASE it would have been and the Pilot would have been cannon fodder. It is hard to find and Good fight in this game, not a gang bang, then you find one and someone pulls crap like this... it just kinda ruins things...
Thanks again for responding the the context of this thread.
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Coyote
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I'll just make a few observations about what coyote said (dont take this as a personal attack coyote - its not)
"He is out of the fight??? ? ? how so? does he have to walk for two hours back to base!?!? He laughs(like a coward) and "clicks" on "fly""
Interesting, so you when you end up on the deck miles from your base, being a man of your word, would never type '.ef' and then just click fly - you'd walk back right? Come on...
Secondly, you were mentioning things that would happen in real life as a basis for your argument. Consider this:
If a real pilot had lost an engine it would be more cowardly to bail than to ditch, ditching in real life is very dangerous. So it seems to me that when you call him a coward for ditching your more worried about your score not what is really courageous. I agree that ditching in AH aint that dangerous but bailing is still safer. Bring on trees that tear off wings and hills that crush planes.
So, just for the record, you've never ditched?
I ditch plenty - check my score. I aint a coward, nor is anyone that does.
Also, in real life ditches weren't counted as confirmed kills where they? How could they have been? So, again, when your so concerned with 'real life' then you wont get a kill.
PS, if anyone flying a F4u-C and you can't destroy a plane (having the E advantage) with those mega-weapons stuck on the front of it then your opponent deserves to live (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
food for thought.
...flame away (i wont even look)
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Overlord Spatula,
1st Airborne Kitchen Utensil Assault Group
"... 10 Me-109s out of the sun..." Aces High, Iron Maiden.
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Coyote,
Perhaps all we really need is....love?
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I survive roughly 25-35% of my ditches and I kill ditchers without mercy. As far as counting ditches, If a guy goes down in friendly territory than no kill credit should be awarded but if the ditcher goes down in enemy territory than the fella causing the most damage should get a kill credited to his account (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Lastly, I make the call for a kinder, gentler Coyote....lol xoxox
Yeager
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Coyote Sayeth:
No, more like 99 times out of 100 you will succeed in ditching.
Not in a 1 vs 1 fight where one loses an engine. The other plane kills the downed fighter most of the time, ditch or no ditch.
Coyote, I have been in nearly the same situation with you as RAM was. I was in an La5 and engine ran dry (very short legs in La). I took a chance on a ditch, and made it because you did what RAM described; you pulled up and lost me a second. By the time you looked down again I was gone. And yes, you went on the open and harrassed me too. No biggie here, I squelched you. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
You seem to be very high-strung; I've yet to kill you and not see "BS" come across the radio. You're a good pilot, but I get kills too. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Forget about the scorecard for a while and fly, you may have more fun. Above all, stop the personal remarks, please!
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Two suggestions....
1.) Shoot better (explosions are pretty)
2.) Get bigger guns (explosions are pretty)
Wait a minute......come to think of it, I'll take those as well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (explosions are pretty)
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> Forget about the scorecard for a while and fly, you may have more fun. Above all, stop the personal remarks, please!
I usually avoid posting (and often reading) to threads like these, but Kieren's advice is too good for me to pass up without comment. What he says is pretty common in Dawn of Aces, and it is refreshing just how good it is in there. Best group of folks to fly and fight against I've ever encountered, only a couple of "immature" folks vent out on the common channel, but they receive gentle guidance when they do. As I said, a refreshing environment, had hoped going for pay would help encourage that over here.
As for coyote's ditching vent (ignoring the personal attacks, which appear unwarranted and are counterproductive, IMHO), it is easier to ditch than to land on a runway. I would like to see more consideration given to the location of the ditch.
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Coyote,
You're just getting worked up. The fact is, if the enemy gets away...he gets away. He beat you. If he's on the ground, safe and sound, you didn't get him. Ask yourself how he got away, learn from the experience, and next time, leave him a cloud of fluttering debris in the breeze. But don't blame your own inability to cack him on "cowardice." He won, fair and square. Strafe while you can, and if you still miss him...HA! Time to work on gunnery skills, m'lad.
Flying Like A Staggering Bovine,
Heckel
THUNDERBIRDS
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Agreed that ditching is too easy. I've done it myself when either out of a fite due to engine failure or out of ammo. Sometimes I make it, sometimes I dont.
In reference to the boisterous method of posting online and harrasing RAM and everyone else who disagrees with your points(or seems to), I have only one word:
DWEEBSAYSWHAT?
-Ding
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Dang Coyote you are good but man stop ranting on 100.
I really don't mind hearing flotsam from dweeby pilots, hearing constant moaning from a good one it's unbecoming.
I especially hate it when I have to squelch my own teammate so I can see pertinent messages without all the ranting traffic
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Jeeez Coyote you probably should have a closer watch on what your opponent is doing .. then you might realize that he's ditching *in time* to turn back and strafe him to the ground..
and when you're done with wasting ammo and E i hope i'm right above ya to smak you outta the sky with MY Hog (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
cheers
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Phillip "Duckwing6" Artweger
Flight Officer "E" Flight
Skeleton Crew (http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/oneshot/main.htm)
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coyote wrote: WE FLY FOR KILLS, NOT FOR FORCING PEOPLE OUT OF THE FIGHT,
While I enjoy killing people (just look up my score and you'll see that's not very often), since I look at AH as a "team sport", it is actually preferrable (IMHO) to wound the enemy and send him running home than to waste the time trying to kill him. I could wound two and send them running by the time I could chase down and kill one.
I don't always look at it that way -- I do like to kill when I can. But since I look at it as a "team sport", taking people out of action is sometimes more important as padding my score.
Just my opinion,
Fury
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Coyote I don't see why you are mad at RAM. Was it not your fault he got away?
If you don't like people ditching then kill them before they can.
Yelling and screaming on open channel does nothing but make YOU look bad.
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Mighty1
The New Baby Harp Seals
"Come try to club THIS Seal"
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FYI,
Just did a score check on coyote. Impressive number of kills, deaths and etc.
As of 12:56 Mountain USA time, Feb 21, 2K, Coyote had 49 ditches. RAM 50.
interesting....
delta
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Originally posted by Dingy:
Agreed that ditching is too easy. I've done it myself when either out of a fite due to engine failure or out of ammo. Sometimes I make it, sometimes I dont.
In reference to the boisterous method of posting online and harrasing RAM and everyone else who disagrees with your points(or seems to), I have only one word:
DWEEBSAYSWHAT?
-Ding
Ding or Dingy? I never once mentioned RAM's name. I was talking about an incident that was totally unrealistic. He brought himself into this. Get your facts straight if you please. Thanks
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Coyote
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Originally posted by delta:
FYI,
Just did a score check on coyote. Impressive number of kills, deaths and etc.
As of 12:56 Mountain USA time, Feb 21, 2K, Coyote had 49 ditches. RAM 50.
interesting....
delta
Thanks perry mason, Most of my "ditches" are in fact landings at airfields which were scored as ditches for some reason. Just can't respond to the context of my original post can ya? Sheeez. Oh yea, will all the fields I capture(by myself LOL) some of those ditches are also C47 belly landings next to the map room. Nice try....
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Coyote
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Originally posted by Mighty1:
Coyote I don't see why you are mad at RAM. Was it not your fault he got away?
If you don't like people ditching then kill them before they can.
Yelling and screaming on open channel does nothing but make YOU look bad.
No, It is not my fault he "got away" . He was shot down but the ditching code is so weak he "got away" as you say. Point in case: last night I was capping F2, a 190 dove in on a F4U and shot away large portions of his tail. The F4U flip flopped to the ground , sat on the ground for aprox 30 seconds , then vanished. No kill message. yea........ I guess that 190 drive "let him get away"
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Coyote
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Landing gear up on a runway does not count as a ditch btw. I know cos i prefer to land gear up most of the time ( quicker (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ). I always get the sucessful landing message, except when i go off the runway, even just a tad will cause a ditch. Maybe this is why u get this coyote.
Dotsie.
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I'm pretty sure a ditch was credited as a kill in real life as long as you damaged him, i.e. you had something in your gun camera.
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Another reason these guys are ditching so much is they go fuel light, then when they are outta fuel, they just ditch instead of returning to base.
Guess what people, Ditches don't count as death. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Go check your own scores, and check your Kills/Death to see what I mean
K/D = Kills/(Deaths+Bails+1)
Thats why some of these guys with higher K/D ratio's have so many Ditches.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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Heheh,
It never ends. Play my way or your a coward! How do you squelch on this board again?
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I think you's forgot to address a few things.
I not all the time live on my ditches.
It was said the the ditches here are "unrealistic" maybe, maybe not.
BUT, chasing a smoking plane to the tarmac, AND/OR finishing off plane AND/OR pilot on the ground was realistic???? Come on! who did that?
I make sure my enemy is dead and has no chance to ditch, If he does, that would be poor gunnery on my part. Because i do play to remove my enemy from the virtual skies.
If he had the savy to jinx me and NOT give me a certain kill shot,AND avoids me to the point he can land, He then EARNED that land, and would definately deserve a <S> from me, Somehow it got twisted the other way (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
ScruU
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I love a good ditch! Example: You are greatly outnumbered by the enemy.... you take out two or three of the ganbangers.. then get smoked up....ditching on those ravenous dogs is very gratifying! Better that a single victory! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thunder
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LOL
Oh Geez, now what is this all about again? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I don't believe I read the WHOLE THING, but it just kept getting better and better.
Mino
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Hee hee... ok.. I couldn't resist this one. Coyote, you said many of your ditches come from belly landing a 47 near the map room???? You have exposed yourself, lad. You are taking advantage of the very deficiencies in ground modeling that you so loudly and rudely were complaining about. I seriously doubt that any 47 drivers in real life EVER tried to do that, at least on purpose. Let's see, a bus load of grunts, bounced until their bones are broken and their gear is smashed... yeah, that is exactly what they would have done in "real life"...real effective way to do it...NOT! But in AH, you can get away with it because of the current ground modeling...ummm, but you keep screaming that the ground modeling sucks, and allows "cowards" to take advantage of it... uh... then you would be a "coward" who takes advantage of it...hmmmmmmm... what a concept. Give it a rest, and quit being a hypocrite, and worse yet, a whiner who can't just fly on to the next battle when he hasn't won the last one.
[This message has been edited by Skorpyon (edited 02-23-2000).]
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Amen, Skorpyon...I couldn't have said it better.
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Ram, out
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
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[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 02-23-2000).]
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As such a new member (and Crappy pilot so far), I hate to get involved in such a childish thread, but I can't resist (like most others):
1)Coyote....If your 49 ditches stem mainly from legit landings, I would think that RAM's do as well. I guess that ONE ditch difference in the two stats happened to be the one you are in such arms about. Ironic.
2)If realism is what you are truely after, and you claim ditching and simply clicking "fly" is a horrible and cowardly thing, I recommend that the next time you DIE in a fight, you unplug your computer and never fly Aces High again. Death is permanent in reality (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
Well... I may not agree with Coyote's "confrontational approach", I do agree with his arguement.
A ditch should count as a kill, but if its in friendly territory it should continue the pilots streak.
To expand on Verm's theme... If ditched in Enemy turf, it should be a full kill. If ditched in freiendly turf, it should be a HALF kill. Operative word "kill" being satisfied to one degree or another.
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"Live to Fly! Fly to Fight! Fight to Live!"
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Originally posted by Skorpyon:
Hee hee... ok.. I couldn't resist this one. Coyote, you said many of your ditches come from belly landing a 47 near the map room???? You have exposed yourself, lad. You are taking advantage of the very deficiencies in ground modeling that you so loudly and rudely were complaining about. I seriously doubt that any 47 drivers in real life EVER tried to do that, at least on purpose. Let's see, a bus load of grunts, bounced until their bones are broken and their gear is smashed... yeah, that is exactly what they would have done in "real life"...real effective way to do it...NOT! But in AH, you can get away with it because of the current ground modeling...ummm, but you keep screaming that the ground modeling sucks, and allows "cowards" to take advantage of it... uh... then you would be a "coward" who takes advantage of it...hmmmmmmm... what a concept. Give it a rest, and quit being a hypocrite, and worse yet, a whiner who can't just fly on to the next battle when he hasn't won the last one.
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Hello McFly!! A C47 would be easy to ditch in real life, especially on a flat man made surface like an airstrip. Do you comprehend any of this?? I am talking about UNREALISTIC DITCHING. (i.e., A Spitfire, landing on hilly terrain??? Hell, spitfires were so unstable on that narrow track gear that they were prone to wreking while taxing around the airfield.....
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So,coyote, I am SURE that ALL clever C-47 pilots ditched their planes on runways to conquer them.LOL!. And of course is NOT a cowardice of yours ditching the plane instead of launching the paras and risk your butt being kicked by any pilot going near there huh?,mmmm??? ROTFL!!...
Look man we've caught you in your own trap. be wise and shut up instead trying to defence yourselve when you have demonstrated that EVEN you break your own rules when you do belly landings in C-47s. A wise man accepts his errors. A coward one shuts up and walks away as silent as he can. And a stupid one keeps on defending the undefendible. Make your choice.
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Ram, out
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
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[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 02-23-2000).]
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Originally posted by RAM:
So,coyote, I am SURE that ALL clever C-47 pilots ditched their planes on runways to conquer them.LOL!. And of course is NOT a cowardice of yours ditching the plane instead of launching the paras and risk your butt being kicked by any pilot going near there huh?,mmmm??? ROTFL!!...
Look man we've caught you in your own trap. be wise and shut up instead trying to defence yourselve when you have demonstrated that EVEN you break your own rules when you do belly landings in C-47s. A wise man accepts his errors. A coward one shuts up and walks away as silent as he can. And a stupid one keeps on defending the undefendible. Make your choice.
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Originally posted by RAM:
So,coyote, I am SURE that ALL clever C-47 pilots ditched their planes on runways to conquer them.LOL!. And of course is NOT a cowardice of yours ditching the plane instead of launching the paras and risk your butt being kicked by any pilot going near there huh?,mmmm??? ROTFL!!...
Look man we've caught you in your own trap. be wise and shut up instead trying to defence yourselve when you have demonstrated that EVEN you break your own rules when you do belly landings in C-47s. A wise man accepts his errors. A coward one shuts up and walks away as silent as he can. And a stupid one keeps on defending the undefendible. Make your choice.
Ram Ram Ram, wish I could sell you some produce since you obvioulsy don't know the difference between apples and oranges... You make irrelevent arguements that have nothing to do with the point of the conversation. Ditching a C47 at an enemy filed that is not defeneded has zippo to do with ditching in combat to "rob" another of a kill. If the field is defended, I would be dead regardless since I take fields by small attacks(1 plane) and stealth.
Now here is the real kicker. I would welcome a game revision that made ditching a C47 a bad gamble. Would not bother me a bit. But, you would kick and scream like a stuck pig if they took away your ability to "land" anywhere on the map to rapidly end a fight that you are losing.
Now, maybe you should quit while your not as far behind as you could be...
Coyote OUT
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Funny.. I only "hear" one person kicking and screaming in this thread... calm yerself, before ya have a stroke at such a tender age. The modeling is what it is, and we all (including you) take advantage of it as it exists, so get over it, get yer shorts unbunched, climb back in to yer cockpit, and do yer talking with yer guns. Anything else just makes ya look sillier than ya already have. Your accusation that everyone who ditches is a coward and couldn't play the game without this ability just shows your ignorance and arrogance. Give it a rest.
Say goodnight Gracie.
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Ram Ram Ram, wish I could sell you some produce since you obvioulsy don't know the difference between apples and oranges... You make irrelevent arguements that have nothing to do with the point of the conversation. Ditching a C47 at an enemy filed that is not defeneded has zippo to do with ditching in combat to "rob" another of a kill. If the field is defended, I would be dead regardless since I take fields by small attacks(1 plane) and stealt
I'll give you no more words than these in this last post. Its and evidence that to talk with you is to talk with a wall...talk talk talk and nothing changes. You choiced the stupid way and I usually dont lose my time with people who act in stupid ways.
and BTW...I see you LOVE to fly in team...one plane attacks and stealth...you arent very sociable are you?
But, you would kick and scream like a stuck pig if they took away your ability to "land" anywhere on the map to rapidly end a fight that you are losing.
I dont ditch to steal any kill I ditch to make my pělot survive and fight another day. Im pretty sure that if you are in a dead engined plane you'll stay in the air to die...because its clear you dont want to steal any kill to your foe isnt it???? LOL LOL and LOL...
BTW coyote...the only one who has yelled and screamed as a stuck pig are you...maybe you must note this...you are calling yourselve wonderful things, did you know that?
As someone said before its SAD to see a SO GOOD pilot yelling and crying as you do. I wont lose more time with this. What a waste of pilot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Ram, out
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 02-24-2000).]
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It looks funny to see how much time you guys have wasted here.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/confused.gif)
Climb to your planes and shoot down couple "reds"!
...After all this is ONLY a game..... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Staga